SmileFace Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Anyway my point of posting in the first place is that you are using foolish posting on the Internet to make judgements about women. That is useless and pointless and not valid.
oldguy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Oldguy, can you give an example without calling anyone out? I am curious about what you mean as obviously an older man. There are comments that arise from time to time that go describes in sexual terms, many times abusive what one member would like to do to the other for instance. What you say to someone in privet, to their face, if you know them may be one thing but I've been on LS long enough to have a good feel for many of the relationships that have developed. I'm not POed but disturbed by the reaction. And then ladies will complain about men in general sometimes being Dbags. All i'm saying is; If you don't want to put up with the crap from the Dbag guys don't enable or encourage bad behavior & don't just get on the guys get on the gals who tolerate bad behavior also. btw, even when I wasn't "obviously" an older man & have been in fact a Dbag myself, I always treated women with respect & raised my sons to do the same & my daughters to except no less.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I understand that it's just talk. But words matter nontheless. I think this is something that is getting lost because of Facebook and the internet and being able to talk to people and say whatever you want without being accountable like you would be in real life for what you say. And these words open up a cavlier attitude to a very uncaviler subject. And I can't help but wonder what goes through the mind of a girl that jokes about herself getting punched in the face. You don't say that unless there is a part of you that thinks it's okay or believe you should be treated like that. I could never joke about a guy punching me in the face. That's horrendus. Perhaps there is something going on where these young women think they deserve to be abused. Here is a picture of Rihanna's beat up face: http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/rihanna-beat-up-bruised-face.jpg http://www.rightcelebrity.com/wp-content/photos/Rihanna_Beat_Face.png http://outofcontrolcelebrities.com/files/2012/01/rihanna-beaten-face1.jpg http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/3004/342/846/005/rihanna_new_pictures_after_chris_brown_beat_her_2_450x369.jpg I am really getting upset about this attitude lately of, "Well sometimes a woman just wants to be abused and hey there is nothing wrong with that." That is so unhealthy. Dust suggested that maybe Rihanna "just" wanted some S&M. Do healthy people want to be hit and abused? Does a healthy man want to be hit and abused? Why do we keep saying "well maybe a woman just wants this abuse"? I don't get it!
SmileFace Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I came to this conclusion seperately although... actually my conclusions was... damn people have forgiven chris brown... wtf. Not so much Girls let Handsom men get away with anything... I already knew that one! Forgive him! He didn't do anything to me. I really wish peiple will let these celebrities and public figures live their lives.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Can every one leave my little valentine alone! She needs to feel what ever she's feeling! See I got your back baby. Err..thanks?
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 There are comments that arise from time to time that go describes in sexual terms, many times abusive what one member would like to do to the other for instance. What you say to someone in privet, to their face, if you know them may be one thing but I've been on LS long enough to have a good feel for many of the relationships that have developed. I'm not POed but disturbed by the reaction. And then ladies will complain about men in general sometimes being Dbags. All i'm saying is; If you don't want to put up with the crap from the Dbag guys don't enable or encourage bad behavior & don't just get on the guys get on the gals who tolerate bad behavior also. btw, even when I wasn't "obviously" an older man & have been in fact a Dbag myself, I always treated women with respect & raised my sons to do the same & my daughters to except no less. I agree with you Oldguy. Thanks for asnwering my question. There are girls that allow and enable it. Girls like the ones that made the comments about Chris Brown. It appears that their is this building attitude that women just want to get abused and that it's all "good" or even "healthy". And perhaps girls with low self esteem buy into that too. That they deserve to be abused and they confuse it with being "sexy" to be wanted that way. I don't know. I do know this attitude I see lately is really mind bogging. I also think there isn't a lot of mentoring on how each gender needs to treat each other, from men or women. And that you are probably the minority that teached your kids to act a certain way with respect to themselves and other people.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 It was for Smileface although Disenchantedly Yours you tickle me OH LOL....okay Sorry. But I am glad I tickle you.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 trying to shame us men i guess. women like you got to resort to the shame tactic when all else fails How am I shaming men here???? I said over and over again what these girls are doing wrong. I have only shamed Chris Brown!
tigressA Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I do agree with the basic premise of the thread, to an extent, because I lived it and it f*cked me up. My ex was some-kinda-gorgeous and because I was so attracted to him I tolerated all his BS--his criticism and name-calling that bordered on verbal/emotional abuse, his all-consuming selfishness, his rude behavior (being on the phone for 20+ minutes while we were out on dates, etc). I called him out on it, yes, but ultimately I tolerated it because I stayed. Even when there was stark evidence staring me right in the face that he was cheating. I eventually couldn't take any more and left...I still find it difficult to forgive myself for having allowed that to happen, that I was such a sucker for a nice-looking surface.
joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I'm just looking from now on its a shame that some of these crazy women can say whatever the hell they want but I say something then I'm reported. Why don't they just "woman up". People say stuff to me on here but I don't run and tell it I man up
oldguy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Forgive him! He didn't do anything to me. I really wish peiple will let these celebrities and public figures live their lives. They're a product, they sell and the reason they do is because we buy it. Along with the entertainment we buy the crap. They put themselves in the public eye they accept the fame & the obscene amounts of cash & then when they act like an ars you think we should or are able to just shut that part down. That's not going to happen. I wish entertainers, from actors to musicians to sports stars would just start being better role models. Look at Tyler Perry for example is an excellent human being, now & so far. Whitney was much better before she met Brown.
Krios Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Nah, those chicks were just playing around. When the real beating happens, they'll change their minds real quick. Some of them might have been joking, but certainly not all of them. Some women do let themselves get beat up as long as they can be with the guy they're in love with. I've known multiple women that stayed with their physically abusive boyfriends and even boasted to their female friends that their boyfriend beats them up, but that they're tough enough to take it. I'd NEVER...EVER...even consider a woman like that as relationship material, because they tend to choose for their abusive boyfriend over their own well being and the well being of their children. I just do not agree with that. There is something fundamentally wrong with women like that and it correlates to them being poor relationship material. Don't get me wrong. First and foremost it's the abusive boyfriends that are at fault, but those women have a hardcore streak in them that will drag other people into the abuse, either directly or indirectly. I think such behavior is unethical and selfish.
SmileFace Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 They're a product, they sell and the reason they do is because we buy it. Along with the entertainment we buy the crap. They put themselves in the public eye they accept the fame & the obscene amounts of cash & then when they act like an ars you think we should or are able to just shut that part down. That's not going to happen. I wish entertainers, from actors to musicians to sports stars would just start being better role models. Look at Tyler Perry for example is an excellent human being, now & so far. Whitney was much better before she met Brown. I know, you are right. However I try to stay true to myself. I fall in love with music and not the person who is singing. I watch movies for the acting and can care less about their real names. I don't like that these people's lives are sold with their talent, it frustrates me. I don't even watch tv since it is full of these real life dramas called reality tv.
oldguy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I don't watch as much TV either for the same reason. I also watch more College sports than pro sports these days and even that is very little any longer.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I'm just looking from now on its a shame that some of these crazy women can say whatever the hell they want but I say something then I'm reported. Why don't they just "woman up". People say stuff to me on here but I don't run and tell it I man up You can not report me for saying stuff about you because I don't make personal comments to disparage you as a poster. If you were simply talking about your own opinion, no matter how much you disagreed with me, I would never report you. But that's not what you are doing. I have put up with ALOT of comments from you for a long time now. But it has come to a point that I can't say anything without you making a disparaging comment suggestively about me. I understand you don't agree or like my opinion and thoughts. Please respond to the discussion how you agree or disagree to the topic. But stop seeking out my posts and making insideous comments about how I am bitter and crazy everytime I make a comment about anything. This is why you are being reported. I put up with a lot of negative comments throw my way JoyStick. I've been called alot of things. And I very RARELY ever report them. But I am sorry, what you are doing goes beyond that. I can't post anything without you calling me something.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 They're a product, they sell and the reason they do is because we buy it. Along with the entertainment we buy the crap. They put themselves in the public eye they accept the fame & the obscene amounts of cash & then when they act like an ars you think we should or are able to just shut that part down. That's not going to happen. I wish entertainers, from actors to musicians to sports stars would just start being better role models. Look at Tyler Perry for example is an excellent human being, now & so far. Whitney was much better before she met Brown. And that Tebow guy. He is vocal about his belief and he knows some people mock him for it but he just does his thing.
AD1980 Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 To be fair rihanna has shown herself to be pretty crazy and said in interviews how she likes drama and bad boys she even got the words "thug life" tatooed[maybe fake ] on her knuckles Not condoning hitting women ever but its clear rihanna is no angel and i can denfinitely see her provoking things in a relationship though as i said you dont hit women ever unless your in danger and she has a weapon in hand Point is taken though, if Chris Brown looked Forrest Whitaker chances are these women would be calling for his head
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I didn't go to the links … But I assure you that many - probably the majority - of men who "get away" with abusing their wives or girlfriends aren't "handsome." They are just with the "right" women; those who don't have the self esteem and strength to know that they must not accept abuse. And, just to be fair, I'm sure that a man who stays in an abusive relationship with a woman is rarely doing so because she is so beautiful.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 All good points but that doesn't change the OP from being true. Well, my post might not change the OP from being true, but it's not actually true anyway. The stupid comments in that link prove nothing more than somebody went to some trouble to collect some stupid comments. I'm sure any of us could find lame tweets to "prove" almost anything we wanted to, if we had nothing more interesting to do.
Woggle Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 There are rumors that him and Rihanna are seeing each other again and it doesn't surprise me one bit. To me it seems that women are quicker to forgive him than men are. I bet his shows are about 85% female. This doesn't apply to all women but for some if a man has the right status he can kill somebody and get away with it. Let it be a female celebrity who has a substance abuse problem though and they will never get their career fully back on track no matter how much they clean up. Lindsey Lohan can be clean for five years and people will still judge her and it will be mostly coming from other women but Chris Brown can beat her girlfriend to a bloody pulp and everything is okay.
gaius Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Well, my post might not change the OP from being true, but it's not actually true anyway. The stupid comments in that link prove nothing more than somebody went to some trouble to collect some stupid comments. I'm sure any of us could find lame tweets to "prove" almost anything we wanted to, if we had nothing more interesting to do. I don't know, I don't think Casey Anthony lucked out and got 12 low self esteem people on her jury. She was obviously guilty and was given a walk anyways, the same thing happens with women in teacher abuse cases. Usually the attractive ones are given light sentences or set free while the ugly are treated much harsher, I read about some poor woman getting 20 years for sleeping with an underage guy who wanted to sleep with her. There definitely seems to be some serious bias going on, either status or looks related.
ascendotum Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 I don't know, I don't think Casey Anthony lucked out and got 12 low self esteem people on her jury. She was obviously guilty and was given a walk anyways, the same thing happens with women in teacher abuse cases. Usually the attractive ones are given light sentences or set free while the ugly are treated much harsher, I read about some poor woman getting 20 years for sleeping with an underage guy who wanted to sleep with her. There definitely seems to be some serious bias going on, either status or looks related. Jus saw this post so I thought I check it out with google and looking at the first couple of entries. A not so pretty 49 yr old teacher got 20yrs for sex with a student. Just below that was a link about a reasonably attractive 33 yr old teacher who had sex with 5 of her students (over age 16), sometimes getting them drunk + stoned beforehand...she got 4 yrs (parole in 6mths). Just below a link to a story about, a reasonably attractive 33 yr old teacher who had sex with some 13yr old students and got 6 yrs.
Dafa Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Jus saw this post so I thought I check it out with google and looking at the first couple of entries. A not so pretty 49 yr old teacher got 20yrs for sex with a student. Just below that was a link about a reasonably attractive 33 yr old teacher who had sex with 5 of her students (over age 16), sometimes getting them drunk + stoned beforehand...she got 4 yrs (parole in 6mths). Just below a link to a story about, a reasonably attractive 33 yr old teacher who had sex with some 13yr old students and got 6 yrs. I'm really curious as to this discrepancy being so big! I only see one (somewhat distorted) way of justifying this. There's 2 teachers, for the sake of argument let's categorize them as ugly and pretty. Let's start with making a case against the ugly, that could justify such a heavy sentence: since she is ugly, she will have difficulty getting a suitable boyfriend. This means that she will then willingly abuse her "powers" as a teacher and force herself upon young kids to please herself. Now a case in favor of the pretty one: She is pretty so she should definitely be able to find a boyfriend. If that is the case, then one can assume that she is not right in the head and abuses her power not willingly (i.e., as in the case of the ugly one) but due to some psychological issue. In other words, if she were right in the head, she would simply get a boyfriend because she is pretty. Having said this, i'm speculating (alot), i know! And it's quite far-fetched! But i wonder if this kind of "twisted" bias is not what unconsciously existed in the juri's/judge's mind and is a very pervasive phenomenon to other social areas. As for the issue at hand, i don't know what annoys me more: The mere existence of a bias/discrimination, or the fact that this bias is favourable to the already favoured (i.e., the pretty ones). In other words, if there was a favourable bias towards the less pretty, i guess i would find it more fair than how it is now. I also wonder how different is this bias between genders. I would say that women are much more prone to suffer from this bias than men. thoughts? The way i see it, in simplistic terms, is that while men have the ability to "decouple" the physical attraction from the personality atttraction, women are not able to do this, although they think they can (says me!). As an imaginary example which, for the sake of argument, is undoubtedly simplistic: In the eyes of women, a timid ugly guy is simply a silly uninteresting guy, while a timid pretty guy is mysterious and that is sexy! On the contrary, men will tend to decouple these things and hence always (correctly) assess the girl as timid, regardless of being ugly or pretty.
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