El Brujo Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 When I made my YT vids last December, I actually got quite a kick out of pulling a long lip and making fun of bitter women in a falsetto voice on camera.
somedude81 Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 I wish that were the case SD. Women experience the same problem and frustration as men when it comes to love. I'm attractive enough and there is nothing seriously wrong with me, but I haven't been able to find happiness with a man. I've experienced some bad situations with men that include cheating, lying, heartbreak, etc. Heck, my ex-H knocked up another woman while we were working on our marriage. If there is ever a situation that should create a bitter attitude, that situation should have done it. I have major trust issues, abandonment issues, but I refuse to be bitter. I don't necessarily believe love will find me one day, but I've never had the urge to create a post that all men are evil. I also don't believe that. These gender wars get really silly after 1 page. The thing with the issues you listed, is that they happen to men as well. The key difference is that women simply have more options and those higher options simply means more chances to get what they want. It really confuses me on how people can't understand that. People somehow seem to think that when a man gets into a relationship, it has a higher chance of lasting than a woman does, and that obviously doesn't make any sense. That actually made me laugh. It was my pleasure
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Sometimes I am bitter. Sometimes I am happy, angry, sad, excited, passionate. I'm a human being capable of feeling a wide range of emotions, some positive and some negative. When it comes to porn, I think there is more positive then negative. There is only one person on this board that I think probably does hate the other gender. But I think for a grand majority, people are just trying to figure out their own crap and while they might not always understand the other gender, they certainly don't hate them. I think whatever side your on, both men and women can feel desrespected by the things the other gender does and how they treat each other. Both sides can feel frustrated and unfair judged and criticized. I don't understand though why I get so heavily criticized for my opinion of porn. Sure, sometimes I get over zealous about it. I understand that. I understand that drives people crazy. It's not my intention to drive people crazy. But I truly believe that it's a big issue today. I feel strongly about it. I don't just say the stuff I do to say it. I've seen the way it's affected my relatonships and I talk to other women that have simliar expereinces. My experience is that porn has changed male sexuality. And it hasn't been a positive change. I experiences less men wanting authentic mutual sex and men that only know how to relate to sex in terms of a porn-like experience. I've experienced men that encourage you to be more "porn like", more then encourage you and be excited by you just being you. And some men will get angry with me for saying that. I just don't get why. I do wonder why so many men support an industry that to me, isn't positive toward women. And I wonder what that means. And it worries me and makes me unhappy. Does this mean I hate men because I can't figure out why otherwise good men are drawn to something that seems to me to be about the degradation and objectification of my gender? Of course not. No one wants to be stereotyped. I know that some men get angry when they think I am stereotyping them. I just wish they saw how the stereotypes made in porn aren't any better. How they stereotype me. I just wish that they had that same passtionate response to the stereotyping that happens of women in porn. I wish there was more passion for real women and celebrating their uniqueness in their sexuality and their imperfections then there is with all the passion and celebration directed to porn and pornstars. I don't think my view is all that horrible. I undrestand why not everyone would agree of course. But I don't think my view is this awful thing.
Emilia Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 While you attack my character as a poster? Hmmm... Nope! I don't think you are bitter either. Perhaps a little afraid of men but not bitter, no.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 In the entire time I have discussed this topic, I never once denied that there weren't women that watched porn. Although I think fewer women do then men. I also do not have personal intimate romantic/sexual relationships with women where I have experienced the kind of things I had with men. Yes, that makes my perspective unique to what I have experienced. So be it. (Jstarz?)
Author joystickd Posted February 15, 2012 Author Posted February 15, 2012 This thread is not about porn
somedude81 Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 Really DY? Trying to make this thread about porn?
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 15, 2012 Posted February 15, 2012 SumDude, Joystick D is partially referring to me based on lengthy porn discussions. He hasn't made his opinion or feelings of me secret. I was hoping that I could just sum up some things and he would understand even if he disagreed. So yes...."really DY". Don't hate me too much k?
Author joystickd Posted February 16, 2012 Author Posted February 16, 2012 Sometimes I am bitter. Sometimes I am happy, angry, sad, excited, passionate. I'm a human being capable of feeling a wide range of emotions, some positive and some negative. When it comes to porn, I think there is more positive then negative. There is only one person on this board that I think probably does hate the other gender. But I think for a grand majority, people are just trying to figure out their own crap and while they might not always understand the other gender, they certainly don't hate them. I think whatever side your on, both men and women can feel desrespected by the things the other gender does and how they treat each other. Both sides can feel frustrated and unfair judged and criticized. I don't understand though why I get so heavily criticized for my opinion of porn. Sure, sometimes I get over zealous about it. I understand that. I understand that drives people crazy. It's not my intention to drive people crazy. But I truly believe that it's a big issue today. I feel strongly about it. I don't just say the stuff I do to say it. I've seen the way it's affected my relatonships and I talk to other women that have simliar expereinces. My experience is that porn has changed male sexuality. And it hasn't been a positive change. I experiences less men wanting authentic mutual sex and men that only know how to relate to sex in terms of a porn-like experience. I've experienced men that encourage you to be more "porn like", more then encourage you and be excited by you just being you. And some men will get angry with me for saying that. I just don't get why. I do wonder why so many men support an industry that to me, isn't positive toward women. And I wonder what that means. And it worries me and makes me unhappy. Does this mean I hate men because I can't figure out why otherwise good men are drawn to something that seems to me to be about the degradation and objectification of my gender? Of course not. No one wants to be stereotyped. I know that some men get angry when they think I am stereotyping them. I just wish they saw how the stereotypes made in porn aren't any better. How they stereotype me. I just wish that they had that same passtionate response to the stereotyping that happens of women in porn. I wish there was more passion for real women and celebrating their uniqueness in their sexuality and their imperfections then there is with all the passion and celebration directed to porn and pornstars. I don't think my view is all that horrible. I undrestand why not everyone would agree of course. But I don't think my view is this awful thing. I have no problem with you view. I had a problem with how it was presented. The vibe of it was more of an assault on men than a view on porn. That was why based on my readings of your posts I labeled you bitter. It wasn't an attack on you it was what I got from the content presented on here. When I feel attacked I just go all out full force. Its like the Art of War destroy the enemy completely. That is how I approach everything. People give you a hard time because you are not flexible in your view there are people in these threads that started to understand your view but because of unwillingness to see the otherside they get frustrated. Men are not bad and all of them don't want what they see in porn but according to your posts we all want that. We all are kind of like zombies looking for porn type sex. You may not clearly say that but you posts leave a lot of things that can easily be implied. Your posts sound more confrontational and you easily get defensive when anyone disagrees with you and you say things like "you just like porn too much" or " the short term pleasure of porn has you blinded". I myself barely watch porn and was still insulted by the comments so I returned some back. I would have never escalated it to this level had little side insults like that were entered in the discussion. I know more than just me feels this way. Things like that get swung my way I go into unrelenting attack mode. That's the way I do things in real life too. Trust me few people have ever tried me in real life because of that.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 16, 2012 Posted February 16, 2012 People give you a hard time because you are not flexible in your view there are people in these threads that started to understand your view but because of unwillingness to see the otherside they get frustrated. Why do I have to be flexible in my view? I believe something to be true about porn. Why do I have to change that? Do you know what's simply wrong about your comment here. Is that YOU are not flexible in your views. Neither is Mme. or Zengirl. or a million other posters and yet I am held to a standard you are not holding yourself too. You are allowed to be inflexible and I am not? That is jacked up. Your posts sound more confrontational and you easily get defensive when anyone disagrees with you and you say things like "you just like porn too much" or " the short term pleasure of porn has you blinded". Way to take a conversation out of context to attempt to make your point. You tried this before and I had to point this out to you before. The comment, "maybe the short..." (yeah, thanks for leaving out the "maybe" to mis quote me), "maybe the short term pleasure of porn has blinded....." AFTER, AFTER you said to me that I was blinded by my own view point because of my emotional reaction to porn. So bascially, it's okay for *you* to tell me that I am blinded toward something and I can not respond to suggest what you are blinded to? That seems to be what you are saying Joystickd. You've used this before to try and make a point but you always leave out the part you said and the context of what my response was to you regarding this. Can you show me where I said "you just like porn too much"? I am sure that is another phrase you took out of context of the conversation. I myself barely watch porn and was still insulted by the comments so I returned some back. Sweetie, you began insulting me way before I even said boo to you. You certainly begain insulting me before any of those two statements where made. I was a good sport about it for a while. But you need to stop. I would have never escalated it to this level had little side insults like that were entered in the discussion. Stop blaming me for how *you've* decided to behave. It escalated because you couldn't control yourself from making snide comment after snide comment and I, for the most part, have ignored you through those snide comments. You want to attempt to use the things above as justifications for your behavior when the things above said where inresponse to *you* telling me what I was blinded to and me responding and suggesting what you are possibly blinded to. But you want to ignore what you said and act like what I said was worse. Well I am not letting you pull that crap. Sorry. And I am not letting you blame me for how you've decided to conduct yourself on this board. I know more than just me feels this way. Things like that get swung my way I go into unrelenting attack mode. That's the way I do things in real life too. Trust me few people have ever tried me in real life because of that. Congrats. What do you want me to say? "oh okay, thanks joystickd! You sure are awesome in your ridiculous attempt to abuse other posters or abuse people in real life!" You aren't attacking me because of anything *I* did to you. You're simply attacking because that's what you want to do. Take responsnibility for yourself.
Author joystickd Posted February 16, 2012 Author Posted February 16, 2012 Why do I have to be flexible in my view? I believe something to be true about porn. Why do I have to change that? Do you know what's simply wrong about your comment here. Is that YOU are not flexible in your views. Neither is Mme. or Zengirl. or a million other posters and yet I am held to a standard you are not holding yourself too. You are allowed to be inflexible and I am not? That is jacked up. Your posts sound more confrontational and you easily get defensive when anyone disagrees with you and you say things like "you just like porn too much" or " the short term pleasure of porn has you blinded". Way to take a conversation out of context to attempt to make your point. You tried this before and I had to point this out to you before. The comment, "maybe the short..." (yeah, thanks for leaving out the "maybe" to mis quote me), "maybe the short term pleasure of porn has blinded....." AFTER, AFTER you said to me that I was blinded by my own view point because of my emotional reaction to porn. So bascially, it's okay for *you* to tell me that I am blinded toward something and I can not respond to suggest what you are blinded to? That seems to be what you are saying Joystickd. You've used this before to try and make a point but you always leave out the part you said and the context of what my response was to you regarding this. Can you show me where I said "you just like porn too much"? I am sure that is another phrase you took out of context of the conversation. Sweetie, you began insulting me way before I even said boo to you. You certainly begain insulting me before any of those two statements where made. I was a good sport about it for a while. But you need to stop. Stop blaming me for how *you've* decided to behave. It escalated because you couldn't control yourself from making snide comment after snide comment and I, for the most part, have ignored you through those snide comments. You want to attempt to use the things above as justifications for your behavior when the things above said where inresponse to *you* telling me what I was blinded to and me responding and suggesting what you are possibly blinded to. But you want to ignore what you said and act like what I said was worse. Well I am not letting you pull that crap. Sorry. And I am not letting you blame me for how you've decided to conduct yourself on this board. Congrats. What do you want me to say? "oh okay, thanks joystickd! You sure are awesome in your ridiculous attempt to abuse other posters or abuse people in real life!" You aren't attacking me because of anything *I* did to you. You're simply attacking because that's what you want to do. Take responsnibility for yourself. I have abused no one. I was trying to be nice and you can't even except that. This post exactly describes what I'm talking about. From now on for future reference if I make a post don't get on it with porn tirades. I won't bother or be nice to you as I can see its a waste of time. My attempt at being nice was met with a confrontational attitude. Flexibility didn't mean change your beliefs but to understand the otherside. No one here is trying to change you.
mickleb Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 You can't start a thread and complain about individuals you name! OP, grow up and re-read the rules for posting.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I have abused no one. I was trying to be nice and you can't even except that. This post exactly describes what I'm talking about. From now on for future reference if I make a post don't get on it with porn tirades. I won't bother or be nice to you as I can see its a waste of time. My attempt at being nice was met with a confrontational attitude. Flexibility didn't mean change your beliefs but to understand the otherside. No one here is trying to change you. I see. This is you being nice then: Not you. The crazy men attackers like DY, negative nancy, silvermercy, etc. These women are more bitter than you could ever be. I fail to see how you starting a thread about how bitter some women are and calling me and a few other posters "crazy men attackers" is "nice" and not abusive.
Author joystickd Posted February 20, 2012 Author Posted February 20, 2012 You can't start a thread and complain about individuals you name! OP, grow up and re-read the rules for posting. Lol that's funny. I was just pointing out something and not complaining. If it was that type of post I would have actually said bitter people instead of women. See its funny how the "bitter" men can get attacked but say something about women and its wrong.
nofool4u Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 They attack men and claim it to be questioning mentalities. They have these extreme stances and hypocritical attitudes. Perhaps they have been played alot by men. I can understand them being bitter if thats the case. What is hypocritical of their attitude, unless they themselves are guilty of same thing of which they attack the men?
mickleb Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Lol that's funny. I was just pointing out something and not complaining. If it was that type of post I would have actually said bitter people instead of women. See its funny how the "bitter" men can get attacked but say something about women and its wrong. Re-read the rules. If you find me a thread where a woman has done this, I'll give her the same advice to her, too.
Oxy Moronovich Posted February 27, 2012 Posted February 27, 2012 Re-read the rules. If you find me a thread where a woman has done this, I'll give her the same advice to her, too. Are you saying there aren't bitter women here complaining about men in general? Obviously you've never seen any of verzhn's threads. You also missed this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/312791-they-all-suck And this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/311657-have-men-become-spineless-approaching-women The female OPs of those threads resort to bashing men in general because their dating lives suck.
mickleb Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Are you saying there aren't bitter women here complaining about men in general? Obviously you've never seen any of verzhn's threads. You also missed this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/312791-they-all-suck And this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/romantic/dating/311657-have-men-become-spineless-approaching-women The female OPs of those threads resort to bashing men in general because their dating lives suck. No, I'm not saying one sex bashing the other IN GENERAL is outside of the rules. It's pretty moronic, Oxy, but it's within the rules. Better to warn others you are having a rant then get it out of your system but better, still, not to begin on such a pointless 'debate'. I'm saying this: You can't start a thread and complain about individuals you name! OP, grow up and re-read the rules for posting. You can't bash individuals you name on here. You especially can't start a thread with the intention of doing so.
Thieves Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Hm... I'm sure there are quite a few bitter women on these forums, that's a given with anybody. What's interesting is the way the women tend to be more reactionary in their bitterness. As in replying to the many threads that are started by some of the bitter men... which then brings the women's bitterness out into daylight, rather than them just starting several man-hating threads of their own each week. They don't seem to go out of their way to instigate controversy, but when they're officially involved? They're on a roll... And to be even more honest, many of the so-called bitter women are for me a bit more "enjoyable" to read... as 99% of them have fantastic wit and rhetoric. Funny thing is, sometimes the men and women who are labeled "bitter" tend to switch up the stereotypical gender roles when displaying it. The men seem to be deeper, more passive in their bitterness and less willing to do much about their dilemmas, while the women seem to be very headstrong and ardent in their bitterness... yet just as unlikely to do something proactive. What they both have in common? Stubborn. Just an observation of mine. 1
Author joystickd Posted February 28, 2012 Author Posted February 28, 2012 Hm... I'm sure there are quite a few bitter women on these forums, that's a given with anybody. What's interesting is the way the women tend to be more reactionary in their bitterness. As in replying to the many threads that are started by some of the bitter men... which then brings the women's bitterness out into daylight, rather than them just starting several man-hating threads of their own each week. They don't seem to go out of their way to instigate controversy, but when they're officially involved? They're on a roll... And to be even more honest, many of the so-called bitter women are for me a bit more "enjoyable" to read... as 99% of them have fantastic wit and rhetoric. Funny thing is, sometimes the men and women who are labeled "bitter" tend to switch up the stereotypical gender roles when displaying it. The men seem to be deeper, more passive in their bitterness and less willing to do much about their dilemmas, while the women seem to be very headstrong and ardent in their bitterness... yet just as unlikely to do something proactive. What they both have in common? Stubborn. Just an observation of mine. I totally agree with that. To the others if I just wanted to complain about users on here I would have said bitter people because I have gotten crap from men and women. I did this based on things the women say on here. The ones that got named were example of what I was talking about. I look back and will make a correction and exclude Silvermercy in that list I used as an example.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 28, 2012 Posted February 28, 2012 Dually noted. Anyone that gives Joystickd crap is automatically "bitter". Nevermind the way Joystickd talks to and about other people. It's all about Joystickd! :love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
Author joystickd Posted February 28, 2012 Author Posted February 28, 2012 Dually noted. Anyone that gives Joystickd crap is automatically "bitter". Nevermind the way Joystickd talks to and about other people. It's all about Joystickd! :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: Oh my! LMAO the feeble attempt. Its not like that. You are over exaggerating like you always do.
Author joystickd Posted February 28, 2012 Author Posted February 28, 2012 No, I'm not saying one sex bashing the other IN GENERAL is outside of the rules. It's pretty moronic, Oxy, but it's within the rules. Better to warn others you are having a rant then get it out of your system but better, still, not to begin on such a pointless 'debate'. I'm saying this: You can't bash individuals you name on here. You especially can't start a thread with the intention of doing so. The intention wasn't to bash anyone just pointing out bitter attitudes they were just an example. If I was bashing someone this thread would have been 100x more harsher than this.
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