Are multiple firearms in the house a dealbreaker for you?

February 13, 2012

I sleep snuggled up with a loaded 12-gauge.

I prop the door open at night and put up a welcome sign.

I don't even need a penis anymore.

February 13, 2012

Hell no...you have to be prepared...

When the world goes to ****..i will sure be happy my household has more than a few weapons.

And people laugh at the idea of it happening...it's remote remote..but what happens if a virus develops and people start looting ect? Coming nowhere close to my house that's for sure

/rant

February 13, 2012

Sure matters in my country. I can't purchase an AK47 and keep a weapon in an unlocked secured condition.

Somehow Canadians, Swedes, Australians, etc. don't have less freedom because there are less AK47 assualt weapons propped up behind doors. Your Constitution might be considered a god-given religious document in a Bible thumping country so happy you are so enthralled with it in the 21st century...accounts for the uplifting quality of your society and political system.

God has given us nothing, because he's most likely a social construct, a figment of our imaginations and a long-term sedative remedy to nasty, scary things like death anxiety. OK? Now that we've got that settled..

I'm not religious in any way shape or form. Do you think I'm some sort of ass backwards sister-impregnating red neck simply because I believe in the fundamental concept of letting people do what they want, so long as it doesn't affect others negatively?

I think anyone who values freedom of choice would back that sentiment. I also would love to live in a place like Sweden. If there hasn't been any crime in these places, why would there be a need for anyone to arm themselves?

If the crime rates are higher and yet guns aren't even legal in many of these US states, what does that tell you? Maybe background-checked civilians shouldn't be prosecuted in such areas for trying to even out the playing field.

Maybe I'm wrong? I can accept that, this little debate really is pointless to me as I don't own a gun and don't plan on it. I'm really just bored.

February 13, 2012

I have to agree with you. Criminal use of a fire arm is more of a threat than accidental death or injury and both; owning a gun is one way & one CHOICE in proactive defense & Gun safety is the proactive choice to greatly reduce accidents with guns. Realistically we are not going to rid American streets of guns but we can pass laws that would make gun owners more responsible by better training, including regular qualifying possibly.

I agree with you too! I would have no problem with requiring training to go along with purchasing a firearm either, but the NRA is rightfully paranoid and doesn't allow any unessential gun control bills to pass. I don't blame them, there are a lot of people out there that would like to see guns banned incrementally.

Re Number 3...Hint: it's amazing you expect us to believe this. Are you really this out of touch?

She's from the east coast Martin, and I know living on the east coast that many people here have the same attitude towards guns as you do. She probably talked to someone about what happened and they explained the different attitudes in other parts of the country and that him having an AK doesn't mean he's some psycho. Problem solved, on to the second date.

Sure matters in my country. I can't purchase an AK47 and keep a weapon in an unlocked secured condition.

Somehow Canadians, Swedes, Australians, etc. don't have less freedom because there are less AK47 assualt weapons propped up behind doors. Your Constitution might be considered a god-given religious document in a Bible thumping country so happy you are so enthralled with it in the 21st century...accounts for the uplifting quality of your society and political system.

Some people prefer Shotguns and AK's for home defense simply because handguns can be less accurate and sometimes fail to take down the intruder with a single shot. Shotguns are by far the best weapon for home defense as they have a wide spread and someone who's not an expert marksman has a good chance of hitting the intruder. I don't know why people are demanding those who live in higher crime areas have less effective tools for protecting themselves. It's like trying to solve drunk driving by only allowing cars to go 30mph. It makes no sense, why can't we just admit people are trying to incrementally get rid of something they don't like? If we actually banned AK's and other rifles the conversation would move on to why we don't really need .45 caliber pistols, everyone would be fine with a 9mm!

I sleep snuggled up with a loaded 12-gauge.

I prop the door open at night and put up a welcome sign.

I don't even need a penis anymore.

Hey not everyone can stay holed up in different hotel's stealing soap all the time!

February 13, 2012

I agree with you too! I would have no problem with requiring training to go along with purchasing a firearm either, but the NRA is rightfully paranoid and doesn't allow any unessential gun control bills to pass. I don't blame them, there are a lot of people out there that would like to see guns banned incrementally.

Some people prefer Shotguns and AK's for home defense simply because handguns can be less accurate and sometimes fail to take down the intruder with a single shot. Shotguns are by far the best weapon for home defense as they have a wide spread and someone who's not an expert marksman has a good chance of hitting the intruder. I don't know why people are demanding those who live in higher crime areas have less effective tools for protecting themselves. It's like trying to solve drunk driving by only allowing cars to go 30mph. It makes no sense, why can't we just admit people are trying to incrementally get rid of something they don't like? If we actually banned AK's and other rifles the conversation would move on to why we don't really need .45 caliber pistols, everyone would be fine with a 9mm!

Although I do own hand guns even a 20 gauge shot gun has is a far more effective defensive gun than most any hand gun. And simply chambering a pump, shot gun shell has to be one of the most intimidating sounds any would be bugler could hear. As someone once said, if your an intruder & that sound alone doesn't change your mind your on drugs & need to be taken down.

Just because it is an AK or an AR or any other weapon normally thought of as an automatic weapon does not mean it is configured as an automatic weapon. In most states that do allow automatic weapons or guns to be configured as an automatic weapon it is much more difficult & usually come with a pricey reoccurring licensing fee and restrictions. Its also a felony to own or have in your possession an automatic weapon without proper documentation/licensing. And just because your local gun shop has silencers & kits to convert a simi-auto to a fully auto weapon, as they do in the state I currently reside, does not mean there legal conversions.

Originally Posted by Martinman
Sure matters in my country. I can't purchase an AK47 and keep a weapon in an unlocked secured condition.

Somehow Canadians, Swedes, Australians, etc. don't have less freedom because there are less AK47 assualt weapons propped up behind doors. Your Constitution might be considered a god-given religious document in a Bible thumping country so happy you are so enthralled with it in the 21st century...accounts for the uplifting quality of your society and political system.

I don't believe Canada allows its citizens to own any semi-autos do they?
Canada wont allow you to shoot a bear if its eating your face off either. Canada law says its your fault for being in your own back yard when the bear is there. Okay, neither of those may be completely accurate but given your portrayal of the U.S. I feel justified.

We still love you Canada. Beside, we need all those guns since the 1934 "War Plan-Red" to invaid Canada is still in effect:laugh: JK of course

Edited February 13, 2012 by oldguy

February 13, 2012

Actually, I'm pretty certain there is no correlation between gun control and overall crime levels, and the nine states in the US with the lowest crime rates are all right-to-carry states.

Well, states with fewer people per capita and fewer urban areas are very likely to be so-called right-to-carry states (though really ALL states in the U.S. are easy to buy a gun in, honestly; the states with laws ban certain, ridiculous weapons or make it easier to track guns down is all). So, assuming those are all states with lower populations and urban areas, that's no surprise. I wouldn't suggest correlation there. Urban areas in the U.S. are ALL rife with gun crime, and that is NOT true in countries where guns are banned or highly controlled; it just isn't. So, that would suggest correlation between laws allowing guns and gun violence, yes. Overall crime rates would be irrelevant - gun crime rates would be more relevant.

I think it's impossible to change American culture on guns, really, but it is MUCH more safe in many countries where guns are and have always been banned. Is there other crime still? Yes. There are even still murders and assaults, but people who commit them have one less type of weapon -- a much more effective and easy-to-hurt/maim/kill-multiple-people-with-weapon -- at their disposal.

I don't understand why there'd be less crime if people couldn't defend themselves? You really think a criminal won't get his hands on a gun regardless? That's why they're criminals, because they do illegal things. How naive.

And, no, criminals couldn't necessarily get guns if they were banned. Maybe in the U.S. with so many areas to cover and so many guns out there, but I've lived in countries where you could not get a gun. Just couldn't get one. And criminals did not have guns---doesn't mean criminals ceased to exist, but I'll take a criminal with a knife to one with an AK47 any day.

February 13, 2012

I'm a gun freak, I'd say 7 is nothing. I sleep with my 1911 inches away from my head.

February 13, 2012

Is this a big deal? I have seven guns in my home, and never thought it was a big deal until this girl I had over saw my AK-47 and totally flipped out, and wanted to go home.

.. ...

Take care,

Eve x.

February 13, 2012

.. ...

Take care,
Eve x.

This really should be the last word but

I sleep snuggled up with a loaded 12-gauge.

I prop the door open at night and put up a welcome sign.

I don't even need a penis anymore.

this is so good!

February 13, 2012

I sleep snuggled up with a loaded 12-gauge.

More penis talk ..

February 13, 2012

Although I do own hand guns even a 20 gauge shot gun has is a far more effective defensive gun than most any hand gun. And simply chambering a pump, shot gun shell has to be one of the most intimidating sounds any would be bugler could hear. As someone once said, if your an intruder & that sound alone doesn't change your mind your on drugs & need to be taken down.

Just because it is an AK or an AR or any other weapon normally thought of as an automatic weapon does not mean it is configured as an automatic weapon. In most states that do allow automatic weapons or guns to be configured as an automatic weapon it is much more difficult & usually come with a pricey reoccurring licensing fee and restrictions. Its also a felony to own or have in your possession an automatic weapon without proper documentation/licensing. And just because your local gun shop has silencers & kits to convert a simi-auto to a fully auto weapon, as they do in the state I currently reside, does not mean there legal conversions.

Yeah you nailed it with the shotgun description, and I'm not sure why AK's bother people so much. There are plenty of other legal rifles that have similar firepower and they aren't allowed to be fully auto so whats the problem? I guess some are more concerned about image then saving 108,000+ people a year from getting robbed, murdered or raped. How barbaric we are for allowing people to own such an uncivilized weapon!

I think it's impossible to change American culture on guns, really, but it is MUCH more safe in many countries where guns are and have always been banned. Is there other crime still? Yes. There are even still murders and assaults, but people who commit them have one less type of weapon -- a much more effective and easy-to-hurt/maim/kill-multiple-people-with-weapon -- at their disposal.

?????????

It's safe in Japan sure, but it's just as safe in Switzerland which has the 4th highest per capita gun ownership rate in the world. There is no correlation between how many guns there are and how safe it is.

Yes having guns gives someone without a prior criminal history access to a legal firearm if they feel like killing someone, but it also gives people with no malicious intent access to an effective self defense tool. I really doubt the girl in FitChick's story would have been as successful fending off two males with a knife, taser or pepper spray. It's a trade off, but one that the numbers say is more beneficial to law abiding people.

This really should be the last word but

this is so good!

I have always admired the ability some have to believe in a cause so fiercely that no scientific evidence to the contrary will shake their faith.

February 14, 2012

Wow, I must say I am a bit surprised the reaction this thread has received....a couple of things:
1. Yes, leaving a firearm, especially an AK 47, in sight is not a good idea when having female company over. It was not intentional, but regardless, lesson learned.
2. Yes, the correct term is "magazine" not "clip". I simply referrenced it as such, because alot of folks unfamiliar with firearms only know one meaning for magazine. Geez who gives a s--t anyway!
3. The good news is the girl in question called and apologized for overreacting, and I apologized for making her feel uncomfortable. Had a good conversation, and have planned another date.

Re Number 3...Hint: it's amazing you expect us to believe this. Are you really this out of touch?

Well,
And, no, criminals couldn't necessarily get guns if they were banned. Maybe in the U.S. with so many areas to cover and so many guns out there, but I've lived in countries where you could not get a gun. Just couldn't get one. And criminals did not have guns---doesn't mean criminals ceased to exist, but I'll take a criminal with a knife to one with an AK47 any day.

Because of strict federal State laws regarding automatic weapons I don't believe the OP's AK is configures as an automatic, which means it's a very intimidating hunting rifle.

Most of the gun advocate her agree; mandatory & stricter gun safety regulations would be welcome.

Americans can keep their guns and bibles...the rest of the western world has moved on.

The rest of the western world don't believe or worship a God? Are you saying since you don't have guns you don't need a god either? Good for you, I guess. I'm sorry our differences upset you so much.

Since the OP is American, we'll just accept that this woman's behavior was quite rude when invited into a home with an openly displayed AK47. Instead of wanting to get out she should have felt secure knowing that this is a responsible male who was willing to protect her. Why would any rational woman think otherwise?

You obviously didn't read the OP's conclusion;See the first quote at the top of this post.

Edited February 14, 2012 by oldguy

February 14, 2012

Well, states with fewer people per capita and fewer urban areas are very likely to be so-called right-to-carry states (though really ALL states in the U.S. are easy to buy a gun in, honestly; the states with laws ban certain, ridiculous weapons or make it easier to track guns down is all). So, assuming those are all states with lower populations and urban areas, that's no surprise. I wouldn't suggest correlation there. Urban areas in the U.S. are ALL rife with gun crime, and that is NOT true in countries where guns are banned or highly controlled; it just isn't. So, that would suggest correlation between laws allowing guns and gun violence, yes. Overall crime rates would be irrelevant - gun crime rates would be more relevant.

I think it's impossible to change American culture on guns, really, but it is MUCH more safe in many countries where guns are and have always been banned. Is there other crime still? Yes. There are even still murders and assaults, but people who commit them have one less type of weapon -- a much more effective and easy-to-hurt/maim/kill-multiple-people-with-weapon -- at their disposal.

And, no, criminals couldn't necessarily get guns if they were banned. Maybe in the U.S. with so many areas to cover and so many guns out there, but I've lived in countries where you could not get a gun. Just couldn't get one. And criminals did not have guns---doesn't mean criminals ceased to exist, but I'll take a criminal with a knife to one with an AK47 any day.

I don't agree with 90% of American culture, but I believe that in the end, it's up to each individual to decide how they want to live their life and who/what they want to be. I also believe that American culture is homogeneous and you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.. Nothing ever REALLY changes or improves, fundamentally. It's held by systems that are openly criticized for being obviously flawed, and yet nothing is done. I'll refrain from venturing off-topic.. I do believe that there are plenty of safer countries to live, that much cannot be debated. I simply have one issue with your argument.

I'm still neutral on gun ownership, since I believe it's down to personal choice, so I guess you can figure which way I lean unless someone gives me unbiased (towards either side's feelings and beliefs), undeniable evidence to believe otherwise. I don't blame you for disliking weapons. I avoid violence and violent people. I don't judge others for arming themselves for freak incidents if they do so in a responsible, mature manner.

It doesn't mean that if you took ANY population, regardless of size, and banned guns that it'd ALWAYS automatically lower gun crime frequency, nor does it mean that enabling citizens to own guns in ANY population is ALWAYS automatically going to do more harm than good. It is not a universal truth.

Surely a country like Switzerland proves this.. ? Sure, they're obviously smaller, but the fact that Switz allows firearm ownership has not exactly transformed it into a miniature US..

Maybe the mentality of it's population is different? Not conditioned toward violent tendencies? Who knows. Loose gun laws haven't harmed them.

February 14, 2012

I'm not sure why AK's bother people so much. There are plenty of other legal rifles that have similar firepower and they aren't allowed to be fully auto so whats the problem?

Am I missing something or do you seriously believe people opposing AKs are alright with those other legal rifles with the same firepower?

It's safe in Japan sure, but it's just as safe in Switzerland which has the 4th highest per capita gun ownership rate in the world. There is no correlation between how many guns there are and how safe it is.

O RLY? How did you come to that conclusion? Let me guess: you looked at the wiki link I posted, went over the countries, decided how safe they were on your own personal scale despite most likely having never been in most of them and decided without even analysing those data that there is no correlation?

Yes having guns gives someone without a prior criminal history access to a legal firearm if they feel like killing someone, but it also gives people with no malicious intent access to an effective self defense tool. I really doubt the girl in FitChick's story would have been as successful fending off two males with a knife, taser or pepper spray. It's a trade off, but one that the numbers say is more beneficial to law abiding people.

I have always admired the ability some have to believe in a cause so fiercely that no scientific evidence to the contrary will shake their faith.

Anecdotes aren't evidence. Nothing posted in this thread was anywhere close to scientific evidence and you know it.

February 14, 2012

Are you insinuating that sites like wikipedia have some sort of bias against anti-gun activists and it isn't simply revealing an absolute truth, pure of subjective things like opinion and belief?

That some countries being listed as legal-to-carry AND low in firearm murders/attacks is false.. ? That would go against there being an absolute correlation.

Doesn't matter if I've never lived there, the point is that there IS a place in reality where people actually own guns and it HASN'T turned into the wild west. To say or think that it'd always lead to a negative overall impact would be incorrect.

February 14, 2012

Are you insinuating that sites like wikipedia have some sort of bias against anti-gun activists and it isn't simply revealing an absolute truth, pure of subjective things like opinion and belief?

What?? I never said anything like that. I believe the numbers are correct (that's the reason I posted them here in the first place ldo) but the conclusion drawn from them is ridiculous and all but scientific

That some countries being listed as legal-to-carry AND low in firearm murders/attacks is false.. ? That would go against there being an absolute correlation.

Correlation is not a binary thing. There's a degree of correlation between virtually every 2 stats imaginable. But that's not the point. Someone claiming that there's no correlation between 2 stats that obviously have a lot of both positive and negative influence on eachother, should have alot of analysis to back up his claim that they balance each other out and that there is no correlation whatsoever. The poster I called out didn't, and that's why I called him out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_and_dependence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearson_product-moment_correlation_coefficient

February 14, 2012

Americans can keep their guns and bibles...the rest of the western world has moved on.

See, this is pretty much what its about. It's high school all over again and all the cool kids want America to adopt their way, even though America's way is working just fine for us.

Am I missing something or do you seriously believe people opposing AKs are alright with those other legal rifles with the same firepower?

I don't think they are ok with other rifles with the same firepower either, they just seem to be particularly bothered by AK's which tells me something. Martin mentioned them by name in his objections, and he's not the only one who brings that specific gun up.

O RLY? How did you come to that conclusion? Let me guess: you looked at the wiki link I posted, went over the countries, decided how safe they were on your own personal scale despite most likely having never been in most of them and decided without even analysing those data that there is no correlation?

Jynxx, I've read a lot about this before and when I refreshed myself the other day I found that not much has changed. If you want to post something that disproves anything I've said I welcome it with open arms, but please do not suggest I'm an idiot who just looks at wikipedia and makes stuff up while putting in no serious effort of your own.

Anecdotes aren't evidence. Nothing posted in this thread was anywhere close to scientific evidence and you know it.

Actually a lot of the stats I posted were, and here's some more. Mickelb lives in Britain where their gun crime rates have been going UP despite banning guns years ago. This hasn't dissuaded her one bit from thinking that it might have been a mistake to take guns away from people who follow the law in an attempt to lower gun crime.

“The latest gun crime *figures for London showed that in 2009 they soared by 49% to 3,306 cases, up from 2,224 in 2008.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/233671/Guns-seized-from-London-streets/

Oh and their violent crime rate is even worse then ours, and every other country in Europe. Even parts of Africa beat them. This is 2009 but it was 3 years after the gun ban. I couldn't easily locate more recent statistics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Yeesh good thing I bookmarked all this stuff!

February 14, 2012

Are you insinuating that sites like wikipedia have some sort of bias against anti-gun activists and it isn't simply revealing an absolute truth, pure of subjective things like opinion and belief?

He's just trying to suggest I'm low class by ignoring the statistics and suggesting I've never traveled anywhere in the world and I don't know what correlation really means. Won't even mention my name, I'm just referred to as “the poster I called out”! I'm not surprised most people with world traveling friends agree with the gun control side even though if you really look at everything closely you can see it doesn't work or matter when it comes to crime. Who want's the unneeded hostility from your social circle?

See Kaylan this is what happens when you burst peoples fantasy bubbles!!! I was being a good friend, told the truth and now I'm disliked!

Oh and I agree with your posts Screaming!

February 14, 2012

The rest of the western world don't believe or worship a God? Are you saying since you don't have guns you don't need a god either? Good for you, I guess. I'm sorry our differences upset you so much.

Erm, the rest of the WESTERN world is much more secular than the USA yes. We shipped a lot of the cult nutters there to get rid of them and they set up shop in your bible belt.

It does upset us how 300 million children can bash the bible and run around with guns and create major armed conflicts in the world, especially when it inevitably becomes clear that they can't handle them after all.

February 14, 2012

I don't think they are ok with other rifles with the same firepower either, they just seem to be particularly bothered by AK's which tells me something. Martin mentioned them by name in his objections, and he's not the only one who brings that specific gun up.

So what exactly does it tell you?

Jynxx, I've read a lot about this before and when I refreshed myself the other day I found that not much has changed. If you want to post something that disproves anything I've said I welcome it with open arms, but please do not suggest I'm an idiot who just looks at wikipedia and makes stuff up while putting in no serious effort of your own.

Let's see your numbers then that prove what you claim. Fwiw I don't have any numbers either, but the difference between you and me is that I refuse to make up numbers that would fit what I would like to be the conclusion.

Actually a lot of the stats I posted were, and here's some more. Mickelb lives in Britain where their gun crime rates have been going UP despite banning guns years ago.

That's not what the article actually says:

'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

This hasn't dissuaded her one bit from thinking that it might have been a mistake to take guns away from people who follow the law in an attempt to lower gun crime.
...

Again, those aren't stats. Those are just newspaper articles with a journalists opinion on an issue. Someone living somewhere doesn't make him an expert in everything that happens there. Opinions aren't proof. A very selective reading from an article that oppose your stance certainly isn't proof.

Yeesh good thing I bookmarked all this stuff!

Yes, thank Flying Spaghetti Monster you did. And don't insult me because I thank our Creator the Flying Spaghetti Monster even though I can't prove it exists, it's the truth and you're just mad because I burst your fantasy bubble with the one and only truth that you just cannot handle and that's why you tell me I'm wrong but I'm right.

Did I mention what I said is true?

He's just trying to suggest I'm low class by ignoring the statistics and suggesting I've never traveled anywhere in the world and I don't know what correlation really means.

He didn't mention low class, he mentioned the traveling because it's unlikely you or anyone has visited all countries in that list and he mentioned correlation because it appears like you indeed didn't understand the concept.

February 14, 2012

Two more state have joined the twenty four other states that participate in a reciprocal law that allows someone with a carry permit in one state, (at least my current state), to carry a fire arm on their person in the 25 other states as long as the gun laws in the participating states are observed. For instance, I have a concealed weapons permit in my state but would not be permitted to conceal in open carry states. It's all a little confusing even for state legislators. My rule of thumb has always been, don't carry in public places & at least I would think it is common sense to avoid areas you feel you would need a gun.

February 14, 2012

Ok, this thread is just feeding off stereotypes now.

But I suppose this is what makes people happy nowadays.

It did make me laugh though.. just imagining seeing a gun in someones home and then to know they have seven!

From a British perspective, that is actually piss funny as I have never seen a gun.

Thanks for the laugh though. OP, don't leave your guns out when you have company.

Take care,

Eve x

February 14, 2012

Actually a lot of the stats I posted were, and here's some more. Mickelb lives in Britain where their gun crime rates have been going UP despite banning guns years ago. This hasn't dissuaded her one bit from thinking that it might have been a mistake to take guns away from people who follow the law in an attempt to lower gun crime.

“The latest gun crime *figures for London showed that in 2009 they soared by 49% to 3,306 cases, up from 2,224 in 2008.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/233671/Guns-seized-from-London-streets/

Oh and their violent crime rate is even worse then ours, and every other country in Europe. Even parts of Africa beat them. This is 2009 but it was 3 years after the gun ban. I couldn't easily locate more recent statistics.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Yeesh good thing I bookmarked all this stuff!

Actually gun crime is going DOWN in the UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jul/14/crime-statistics-england-wales

And as for correlation between gun ownership and deaths (old stats I know but still very strong correlation):

http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm

Note to those living outside the UK - nobody with any sense quotes the Daily Mail as a worthy source of news, information, intelligence. It is tabloid trash designed to scare

Just goes to show - you can find anything on the internet to support your view but one source does not tell the whole story

February 14, 2012

Ok, this thread is just feeding off stereotypes now.

But I suppose this is what makes people happy nowadays.

It did make me laugh though.. just imagining seeing a gun in someones home and then to know they have seven!

From a British perspective, that is actually piss funny as I have never seen a gun.

Thanks for the laugh though. OP, don't leave your guns out when you have company.

Take care,
Eve x

In one of the OP's later posts he has come to realize this.

In my previous posts I noted that I was raised around guns, (father was an avid hunter & outdoors-man), & taught gun safety. I don't have any more of an issue with a gun than most might have with a power saw or a sward displayed on a wall. I realize how many who are not familiar with fire arms would have a strong reaction. Having said that I will repeat; although I own a few guns, hand gun, hunting rifle & a shot gun excreta, you would never know it walking into my home, they are locked away mostly for safety reasons & because not everyone is comfortable around guns.

If there are going to be guns, & there are going to be guns, I feel much better around those who are familiar with there use and have been instructed in gun safety. What bothers me the most is that it is not a prerequisite of purchasing a gun in many Sates.

Also I think what a lot of people do not realize or keep in mind, both U.S. citizens & non Americans is that the "United States" is made up of 50 separate States all with a differing variation of laws, which are based on Federal guidelines. That is why I think it's hilarious when someone attempts to sum up all of America & all Americans in one tidy package. The one thing America is; is one of the most diverse countries on the planet, it's our strength & our weakness at times. We argue & fight amongst ourselves constantly but one thing 911 showed me was how incredibly quickly & completely we come together.

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