Are multiple firearms in the house a dealbreaker for you?

February 11, 2012

Back up and read. I said hand guns. Canada, Sweden and Switzerland do not permit casual ownershiop of hand guns. Canadians can own a rifle (not A47s,etc.) to their hearts content. However, must be secured in a locked cabinet. Firearms course required, license to purchase ammunition, etc. (same as Sweden, Switzerland,etc.). No handgun in the drawer or AK47 tucked behind the door.

It's mind boggling that a guy would invite a woman to his house and have an assault weapon showing. Quite 'the personality' to own a gun. As stated, I'd tell my daughter to run as far as possible from a guy like that. Americans can embrace him as a good futurte son-in-law as much as they want....a sick puppy perpetuating a violent sick society.

Just curious, but do you think it's possible to have a gun free society? Or is it even preferable to have one?

February 11, 2012

After you learn your future son to shoot a gun you should take him to a bar, buy him a couple whiskeys, get him a hooker and let him first do a line of coke off her ass.

Father of the year itt.

What a foolish statement...

If you knew anything about this subject at all (which it's clear after this post that you do not), you'd know that one of the most dangerous people with a gun is the guy/gal who goes out and buys a gun (ESPECIALLY a handgun) without having any basic weapons training and assumes that they're safer for it. In this case, owning a gun becomes more of a liability than an asset.

Like it or not, we have the right to purchase, own, sell, and shoot guns here in the U.S., and that right is unlikely to ever go away. At the age of 18, my kids and other people's kids will have the right to go out and buy one themselves. Even if they have no interest in guns whatsoever they will find themselves, at some point in their lives, around guns. That's just the way it is here. Teaching gun safety to them, REGARDLESS of whether or not they choose to own guns or take an interest in shooting sports, is for their own protection and the protection of those around them.

Half-wit of the year, itt.

February 11, 2012

Guys, keep it on topic maybe?

This thread isnt about gun crime, or gun laws.

Its about whether owning a gun would be a deal breaker in dating. Leave it at that or do you want Tony to close the thread?

Threads get run off topic way too often. Lets chill sometimes.

February 11, 2012

Guys, keep it on topic maybe?

This thread isnt about gun crime, or gun laws.

Its about whether owning a gun would be a deal breaker in dating. Leave it at that or do you want Tony to close the thread?

Threads get run off topic way too often. Lets chill sometimes.

I would say all of those things are on point though. I mean the reason someone would be uneasy about a gun being in the house is related to those issues (crime, the right to own guns etc.).

February 11, 2012

Just curious, but do you think it's possible to have a gun free society? Or is it even preferable to have one?

Maybe preferable, I would always want the option of owning a rifle or shot gun myself but I guess I could live without handguns.

As for possible; NO way, even if somehow you could collect every legal gun, including one that has been handed down for generations, that would leave all the illegal ones out there.

And back on topic; as I mentioned in a previous post, I grew up with guns, enjoy shooting at the range & am very comfortable around them, yet when I see a civilian in a public place with a legal hand gun strapped to his hip I'm a bit nervous. This is one of many reasons I don't do it myself, (another being I think its ridicules), & one of many reasons if you walked into my house you would not even know there was a gun in there... as long as you where invited in of course :laugh:

Edited February 11, 2012 by oldguy

February 11, 2012

one of the most dangerous people with a gun is the guy/gal who goes out and buys a gun (ESPECIALLY a handgun) without having any basic weapons training and assumes that they're safer for it. In this case, owning a gun becomes more of a liability than an asset.

I agree. In fact, I got infracted and censored for calling another poster out who said he was robbed at gunpoint and he wished he had had a gun himself, Someone getting in that situation should know that using a gun would not end well.

Like it or not, we have the right to purchase, own, sell, and shoot guns here in the U.S., and that right is unlikely to ever go away. At the age of 18, my kids and other people's kids will have the right to go out and buy one themselves.

True. Also, at the age of 21 he'll have the right to drink, gamble and by then most likely legally visit hookers and buy marihuana and possibly other drugs. Should you educate him about those things? Sure! Should you give him a taste of them before that? I and most people would say that would just be bad parenting. Same goes for guns: educate them about it, but a minor really shouldn't be practicing shooting them, which is exactly what you would learn him.

Half-wit of the year, itt.

Redneck of the month itt

February 11, 2012

Maybe preferable, I would always want the option of owning a rifle or shot gun myself but I guess I could live without handguns.
As for possible; NO way, even if somehow you could collect every legal gun, including one that has been handed down for generations, that would leave all the illegal ones out there.

I don't mean in the Utopia world kinda sense, I mean in the real actual world whether it would be preferable to get rid of hand guns for personal use.

On the practical side I agree. We can't as a species un-invent firearms. They're here to stay. I've been watching a documentary on John Moses Browning. Here was a guy who invented guns in his father's workshop at the age of 12 in the backwoods of Utah. If he could make guns (damn good ones too), then anyone really could even if there was a law.

Possible, yes. Preferable,no. In Canada an adult without a criminal record can take a course and purchase a rifle. That weapon will be restricted to those designated as reasonable for use in hunting or competitive target shooting. The weapon is registered and must be kept in a secured place (not accesible to children, etc.). The Canadian military has weapons of all sorts. Our police departments also have weapons. Canadian laws are more or less in line with those in much of the western world excluding the USA.

I mean for personal use do you think it would be preferable to get rid of guns (hand guns, shotguns or rifles).

I worry about a place where the police and military are armed but the civilian populace isn't. Not that everyone should own guns because clearly some people shouldn't, but the idea that everyone should be barred unless some bureaucracy says it's ok is a bit worrying to me. If the 20th century shows anything, it's that people should be very worried more about their own governments than other governments or individuals.

February 11, 2012

If the 20th century shows anything, it's that people should be very worried more about their own governments than other governments or individuals.

I've never felt like banding together with my neighbors and starting an uprising was something likely to happen in my future. To be honest, I'd be really concerned about friendly fire. I'm pretty sure that the fact that some Americans have guns is not what keeps the government at bay.

"We could lie and cheat them, but they might shoot us. Better not."

If the police decide they want to invade your house, they do it, and they assume you're armed. That doesn't discourage them one bit. They just bring more force and better tactics than you ever had time to muster up, Mr. Citizen.

Personally, I'm more concerned about zombies than I am that I might have to start firing at the authorities.

February 11, 2012

I've never felt like banding together with my neighbors and starting an uprising was something likely to happen in my future. To be honest, I'd be really concerned about friendly fire. I'm pretty sure that the fact that some Americans have guns is not what keeps the government at bay.

"We could lie and cheat them, but they might shoot us. Better not."

If the police decide they want to invade your house, they do it, and they assume you're armed. That doesn't discourage them one bit. They just bring more force and better tactics than you ever had time to muster up, Mr. Citizen.

Personally, I'm more concerned about zombies than I am that I might have to start firing at the authorities.

Why? As aj was alluding to, in the 20th century more people were killed by their own government than by individuals or other governments. That should concern people. It should also tell us that most of what the government does is not necessary.

Anyway, most of the reasons why police storm people's homes are for bs reasons anyway like drugs. Legalize drugs and they won't be storming into houses. I don't think I've ever heard of a swat team storming into the house of a psychopathic serial killer. It's always a drug dealer or somebody dealing with prostitutes or Megaupload or something like that. I highly doubt that's keeping us safe.

February 11, 2012

I've never felt like banding together with my neighbors and starting an uprising was something likely to happen in my future. To be honest, I'd be really concerned about friendly fire. I'm pretty sure that the fact that some Americans have guns is not what keeps the government at bay.

"We could lie and cheat them, but they might shoot us. Better not."

If the police decide they want to invade your house, they do it, and they assume you're armed. That doesn't discourage them one bit. They just bring more force and better tactics than you ever had time to muster up, Mr. Citizen.

Personally, I'm more concerned about zombies than I am that I might have to start firing at the authorities.

Yeah I know, an armed populace is probably not enough to keep the tyrants away either, but I like my chances better if I'm armed rather than unarmed.

The real question is whether or not you think it's legitimate to jail or kill anyone who decides that they have an inalienable right to own whatever firearm they want. with or without a permit or whatever else. Your answer should indicate whether or not you believe in liberty.

February 11, 2012

Not a dealbreaker. I've dated shooters and my exW was one, though she didn't have any weapons during our M.

That said, there's a time and place for everything and I'd likely expect there to be a few raised eyebrows, or worse, if someone new was to come around and there was a firearm displayed out in the open, even inadvertently. So, relevant to the OP, the young lady 'flipping out' doesn't seem too far fetched to me.

February 11, 2012

I'm pretty sure if the United States government (that's the one I'm talking about) decides to start killing its citizens, the fact that some of us have a dusty gun or two sitting in the closet that we have fired maybe 100 shells through isn't going to stop them.

They could clean out the Michigan Militia in about 15 minutes if they wanted.

I own rifles, because I grew up with them, and I enjoy them. Not because I have no faith in anyone.

I've seen a Desert Eagle go off accidentally in someone's hand in a random direction. I felt more unsafe at that moment than at pretty much any other time in my life.

February 11, 2012

I'm pretty sure if the United States government (that's the one I'm talking about) decides to start killing its citizens, the fact that some of us have a dusty gun or two sitting in the closet that we have fired maybe 100 shells through isn't going to stop them.

Which is why I also support the inalienable right for people to own not just firearms but any kind of defense weapon they want. Even their own predator drones or tanks. That might be a check on the government. That, and reducing our armed forces to 100k and trimming the defense budget to 100 billion dollars.

February 11, 2012

Yeah I know, an armed populace is probably not enough to keep the tyrants away either, but I like my chances better if I'm armed rather than unarmed.

How do you like your chances when your neighbors are also upset and armed and standing behind you with their guns loaded and safeties off? I think I'd rather be somewhere else.

February 11, 2012

Which is why I also support the inalienable right for people to own not just firearms but any kind of defense weapon they want. Even their own predator drones or tanks. That might be a check on the government. That, and reducing our armed forces to 100k and trimming the defense budget to 100 billion dollars.

Welll, now you're making sense.

February 11, 2012

How do you like your chances when your neighbors are also upset and armed and standing behind you with their guns loaded and safeties off? I think I'd rather be somewhere else.

Why would I be any more worried about individuals than a coercive behemoth we call the state?

I just don't get it. Everyone's worried about "gun nuts" or whatever you want to call us and yet we're not the ones who want to censor the internet, or assassinate Americans living abroad without a trial or indefinitely detain people on suspicion of terrorism or attack other countries who didn't attack us or haul people off to jail for using the wrong kind of vegetation. Which is more dangerous?

February 11, 2012

lot of anti gun very ignorant people on this thread I see.

I was thinking the exact opposite.

February 11, 2012

Kaylin you have to read between the lines, why else would firearms be a deal breaker... because they are alergic to them! of course its political

Its a dealbreaker because its creepy to people that someone would have weapons just laid out upon first having someone visit their home.

Im not a fan of guns myself, but dont mind if someone owns them.

But if they are just out where they can be seen when I am first getting to know someone, then it seems sketchy.

February 11, 2012

Kaylin you have to read between the lines, why else would firearms be a deal breaker... because they are alergic to them! of course its political

You're so funny!

Always!

February 12, 2012

"inalienable right"...so a gal shouldn't feel threatened when visititing a guy with a visible assault weapon because it is his 'inalienable right"?

Americans love to worship their mythology...the Bible. The irony is that they treat the Constitution and 'inalienable rights' as a Third book of the Bible as if the USA is some special god creation. It's an American's 'god-given right' to own an assault rifle. Musn't give up the assault wearpon or the evil government will 'take over' freedom

The United States of Paranoia

The USA will continue to have by far the highest rate of death by firearms among western democracies for at least another couple of generations. Citizens accidently shooting family members while awaiting the government to stamp out freedom. Be afraid...be very afraid.

A girl should feel however she wants about guns if she wants to not associate herself with him that's alright.

You really misunderstand libertarians. While some (like myself) are religious (although I'm not a fanatic by any means) the overwhelming majority are agnostic or atheist. They believe in inalienable natural rights (regardless of whether they're "God-given" or not). And a lot of us don't want any kind of government at all so in that case the Constitution, while remarkable for its time is a very imperfect document with far too much government.

I personally don't think it's anyone else's business what kind of gun someone owns. If you don't like guns don't buy one. Just don't force someone else to share your opinion on them. That goes for whether the gun is a fully automatic rifle, or a musket.

February 12, 2012

A gun for protection is one thing, an AK is another.

I couldn't agree more. An AK, an AR...all the same thing. Hunters can have hunting guns, and if you truly feel you need a gun for safety, get a handgun. Anything more than that is truly an unnecessary arsenal.

February 12, 2012

I mean, most of the cops I know have never fired their weapon. And yet the homeowners of the neighborhoods they patrol are all loaded up. It's honestly ridiculous, the "need" for guns.

Cops in your town told you they have never fired a weapon? Seriously?

Then their training is severyly lacking. Cops here in the U.S. have to train and be proficient and safe with their issued weapons. What good would they be withought that? I would not want to live in your neighborhood if you had cops like this. Most likely the cop that told you this was not a cop at all. Maybe a mall cop or a wannabe?

The firearm issue is one that sparks a lot of uneeded debate. And most of the debate is based on wrong info or just plain ignorance about firearms and firearm laws. A lot of Europeans find it odd that our Constitution has this right built in. But they do not really undestand it's historical significance. Most Europeans also do not understand that the U.S. has a higher crime rate. Europeans cant seem to see past the "home defense" issue and see the main reason for gun ownership being a part of our Constitutional Rights. If it werent for our RTKABA, this country would not exist. It's just that simple. It is an insurance policy for freedom. Ask the jews in 1930s Germany if they wish they had that right.

Personally, I enjoy my freedoms. I would not want to live in a country where the Goverment controlled every askect of your life and what you can or cant own etc. Its funny how some people here think of themselves as the elite among us who can tell us what we need or not need. The arrogance and ingorance about firearms in general is what disturbes me the most. I bet most of my fellow Americans never even bothered to read the Constitution. Oh yea I forgot, it's just an old outdated idea on paper.

Oh and BTW OP, it's called a magazine. Not a "clip". Only gangstahs call them clips. Did your police academy teach you to call your magazine a clip? Are you serious? Are you really a LEO? A clip is something you would use to load your M1 Garand. A magazine is used in an AK or AR15 etc.

I am willing to bet this thread will be locked soon. Anybody want to wager?

And some here are correct that leaving it out in the open does not make you look like a responsible gun owner. It comes accross to most as you being red-neckish, a nutjob or at the very least irresponsible.

And all this talk about assault rifles always makes me laugh. I have an AK and an AR but in this country they are Semi Auto, just like some of grandpa's hunting rifles. They only look evil because they look like the military versions. A true "assault rifle" is selcect fire. So the term "assault rifle" is a misnomer produced by unknowlagable media types who want to sensationalize everything they see that does not fit their vew of being PC.

Fact is, in the US and even Finland and NZ you can still legally own a machine gun that is by defenition full auto. I will just cost you a ton of money and a ton of paperwork as these items are heavly regulated.

In Switzerland you take your issued "assault rifle" home with you once discharge. How's that for a European country my friend? Sadly, most of Europe has been mostly pacified by liberal views.

On the issue at hand, I am a gun collector. I have racks of guns and they are displayed in one room with a lock. When I dated I would check with my date how she felt about guns. If she was not OK with my "hobby" and my "RTBA" then she was no OK for me. I would take a pass her, simple as that. Hapilly, never had one girl take offense to me owning guns. Guess it has something to do with the fact that I live in Texas LOL.

February 12, 2012

I couldn't agree more. An AK, an AR...all the same thing. Hunters can have hunting guns, and if you truly feel you need a gun for safety, get a handgun. Anything more than that is truly an unnecessary arsenal.

Really? And in your perfect utopian world, who would be the one to decide what I can and cant own? You? Hitler? Stalin? Obama?"

Im so glad we have you to save us from ourselves. We should make you a Tzar.

February 12, 2012

And what would have happened to this woman if she hadn't had a gun? I'm sure there are plenty more stories that don't get publicized because a gun owner prevented the crime from happening in the first place, i.e. just showed his gun to a would be burglar.

February 12, 2012

I mean, most of the cops I know have never fired their weapon. And yet the homeowners of the neighborhoods they patrol are all loaded up. It's honestly ridiculous, the "need" for guns.

I'm sure what was meant was; most of the cops I know have never fired their weapon in the streets as LE are required to qualify, even desk Jockeys who carry on duty must qualify regularly.

If you own an AK I guess your going to display it. But you have to except the statement your making too.

When I was in college we had bear signs in our apartment which made a statement that I'm sure did not impress everyone who walked in.

Is it the fact that it was an AK or any gun do you think because it isn't all that uncommon to walk in someones house, or even office and see an antique shotgun or rifle displayed.

I've got a 22 rifle that looks much more intimidating with the scope & banana clip then it did bare bones out of the box. And my personal opinion is that most pistols are more intimidating that most revolvers.

If the OP is a shooter and enjoy guns I guess its best he found out early the girl doesn't like guns. Then again first impressions count & I think I'd put away the AK the next time I took a date back to my place for the first time.

Edited February 12, 2012 by oldguy

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