Are multiple firearms in the house a dealbreaker for you?

[mickleb]

Eh. My ex felt the need to have automatic weapons and handguns nearby not because of the thread of crime or a breakin or anything like that (he lives in a very high end neighborhood of a remote suburb = NO CRIME), but because he's fearful of the apocalypse and/or a zombie invasion. Seriously.

 

I mean, most of the cops I know have never fired their weapon. And yet the homeowners of the neighborhoods they patrol are all loaded up. It's honestly ridiculous, the "need" for guns.

 

Very well said.

[johan]

 

Hmmm, I wonder what a guy would think if he came over and saw I had a handgun poking out of me drawer....

 

If I found you had a "handgun" poking out of your "drawer", I would be out of there damn fast. I'd probably go home and shoot myself.

[snug.bunny]

If I found you had a "handgun" poking out of your "drawer", I would be out of there damn fast. I'd probably go home and shoot myself.

 

Laugh.

[Queen Zenobia]

True. the United States of Paranoia. Scared rabbits afraid of the Bogeyman

 

It's amazing we Canadians, Australians Brits, etc. aren't all killed in our sleep...after all, the bad guys know we don't have weapons. I live in a city of just over a millionh people. In 2011 we had 8 homicides...none of which were bad guys breaking into anyone's house. This size city in the USA might have 60 murders of which nearly all are gang, drug, domestic etc. related... Stanger murdering 'regular' people in their home is rare and, when it happens, its doubtful a gun would have helped. More likely thousands are maimed or killed by accidents involving guns in the home.

 

Eh. Some of us believe the old saying: "a well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny". Of course we here in the US already have tyranny, but that's another story for another time.

 

Point is, it's not so much being scared as it is being self reliant.

 

I for one would have no problem with guns in the house (my fiance and I both own guns). If it was laying about though I might have negative thoughts about a man's sloppiness that's all.

[RecordProducer]

It's amazing we Canadians, Australians Brits, etc. aren't all killed in our sleep...after all, the bad guys know we don't have weapons.

Few western countries have such a high crime rate as the US and most of it is in the big cities. Many people are killed and raped by way of strangers breaking into their homes at night. I am sick of all the crime. I want to live in a place where people are not shooting, robbing and raping.

[veggirl]

Yeah, that'd be a dealbreaker. First thought: redneck. Second thought: paranoid.

 

I'm not into guns.

[Dust]

I don't understand why she would be scared of a rifle in your house.

 

Just curious, why do you have 7 guns, any purpose or just a gun lover? Are they registered? What is "LE"?

 

LE as in LEO as in Law Enforcement Officer. Or Cops as they don't like to be called.

[Queen Zenobia]

How did this gun in the house make you more self reliant? Exactly how many bad guys have you actually shot trying to murder you in your bed?

 

You have more chance of slipping, falling and banging your head in the bathtub...so I hope this self reliance exterds to having a rubber bathtub. Also, you can learn cardiac surgery from Youtube to be more self reliant and operate on family members.

 

Americans, an otherwise intelligent society, are so easily manipulated into paranoia by the media. With 24/7 news space to fill, paranoia has become a national sport.

 

Well, the point is it's about the citizens being a check on tyranny and, in the case of an attack you really can't rely on police to arrive all that quickly. In some pretty safe parts of the U.S. (like where I live) you're probably looking at a response time of 2-5 minutes at best. Still more than enough time for a criminal to do some damage. All gun control does is keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, it does nothing to stop criminals form getting guns.

 

It's funny that you should mention being manipulated by the media. I don't actually watch mainstream media for my news. Most of my news consumption comes from sources like Reason, The Economist, Cato, Laissez Faire Books, etc. Perhaps you should peruse them some time and see how "paranoid" they make people.

[FitChick]

In the UK the weapon of choice is a knife. In the US you are allowed to use deadly force to defend yourself but in the UK, you might wind up in jail while the intruder goes free. If you go away on vacation, you might come back and find squatters have moved in and you can't evict them. In the US, they would be trespassers and arrested. Strange but true.

 

As someone said earlier, if someone intends to do you harm, there are plenty of ways to do it using other than a gun.

[Queen Zenobia]

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Gun control doesn't work? YOU should read those news sources about the rest of the world.

 

The USA has 31 times the per capita gun deaths than Japan. It has 4 times the per capita death of Canada where casual hand gun ownership is not permitted. In the USA you have a much higher chance of being shot accidently by yourself in the home than by an intruder.

 

If gun control works so well why is it that the states or localities with the highest amount of gun control have the most amount of crime (D.C. and Chicago for example) have high crime rates. In D.C. it was illegal to own a handgun up until just a few years ago.

 

Here's an article from just yesterday on this subject: http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=14095

 

Now I will certainly grant you that a large amount of violence stems directly from the drug trade and prostitution. Legalize both and most violent crime goes right out the window.

 

In a free society there is absolutely no need to put restrictions on what kind of products an adult can buy and possess. Including self defense products.

[Citizen Erased]

I'd be out of there quick smart, mainly because we would be two very different people. A gun for protection is one thing, an AK is another.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Is this a big deal? I have seven guns in my home, and never thought it was a big deal until this girl I had over saw my AK-47 and totally flipped out, and wanted to go home.

 

I grew up with a father that hunted. He had some guns in the house locked away in a safe that I didn't even know about until I was 16 or so.

 

I don't think having a gun is a huge deal. I do think that having a gun out in the open when you are inviting other people over is irresponsible. And I can understand why that would freak someone out.

[RecordProducer]

LE as in LEO as in Law Enforcement Officer. Or Cops as they don't like to be called.

I see. So, the guy is a LEO and the girl ran away when she saw a gun???

That's ridiculous. It's kinda like seeing black leather SM underwear in Rihanna's (the pop star) closet and calling her a cheap whore.

I admire cops - as a brave group of people who put their lives at risk to chase the criminals.

[Lobouspo]

Yes Record Producer LE as in Law Enforcement. Thanks for the kind words. No real reason I own seven guns. I just enjoy shooting. Not a redneck, not a 2nd ammendment freak. I just enjoy going to the range, shooting a couple hundred rounds and cleaning my gun. Also we have requals for work every six months and i have to keep my scores up.

[RecordProducer]

Yes Record Producer LE as in Law Enforcement. Thanks for the kind words. No real reason I own seven guns. I just enjoy shooting. Not a redneck, not a 2nd ammendment freak. I just enjoy going to the range, shooting a couple hundred rounds and cleaning my gun. Also we have requals for work every six months and i have to keep my scores up.

That's cool. I dated a guy who was your typical software-programmer nerd, an avid reader, super smart, Jewish, wore glasses, very peaceful, anti-war, even anti-gov... and he LOVED guns and shooting, it was his hobby. He had a permit for carrying a concealed gun, I believe, and some of his friends weren't comfortable with him bringing his gun to their houses. I kinda thought it was ridiculous. He's a really responsible person and he would never even take the gun out. He likes to carry it for protection. My point: gun lovers are not necessarily violent creeps.

[gaius]

Storing guns separate from the ammunition or with trigger locks makes them pointless for home defense. Most criminals aren't kind enough to give you the 5 min it would take to run all over collecting the parts you need to load and fire.

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Gun control doesn't work? YOU should read those news sources about the rest of the world.

 

The USA has 31 times the per capita gun deaths than Japan. It has 4 times the per capita death of Canada where casual hand gun ownership is not permitted. In the USA you have a much higher chance of being shot accidently by yourself in the home than by an intruder.

Gun crime/deaths is a useless statistic, what does it matter if someone gets murdered with a gun or by some other means? I hear people quoting those stats all the time, like other countries have somehow made great progress by getting their murderers to use knives, swords, bricks and poison instead. When it comes to Canada having less murders then the US, that has little/nothing to do with guns and everything to do with other social factors. Switzerland has a very high per capita gun ownership rate and there is little crime there, gun or otherwise. Same with Sweden.

 

Oh yeah, and if you make the choice to get a gun and end up shooting yourself then you have nobody to blame but yourself. How come there are no arguments for banning alcohol when some guy knocks back a 12 pack, gets in his car and ends up hurting himself or someone else? You should not punish the responsible users/owners for the actions of the irresponsible.

 

And I don't even own a gun. I agree with everyone who said it was a sloppy move to leave it laying around though Lobouspo. An AK is something you want to introduce a little further into the relationship.

[Jynxx]

 

Many people learn how to shoot when they're kids using bb and pellet guns. They'll then move on to a .22 LR, which has little recoil, but is a true firearm in the sense that it uses an actual bullet/brass cartridge. Whether the round is small (such as a .22 LR) or large (.300 Winchester Mag), the same safety rules need to be applied. For this reason, it's good (again, in my opinion) to establish safe firearm handling routines early on and with weapons that leave less room for error. Using this logic, handguns would be the last thing a trainee would become familiarized with.

After you learn your future son to shoot a gun you should take him to a bar, buy him a couple whiskeys, get him a hooker and let him first do a line of coke off her ass.

 

Father of the year itt.

[oldguy]

I have multiple fire arms & a CW concealed carry permit, although I NEVER do carry in a public or populated area. But if you came into my house you would never know I owned a singe gun unless you snooped. BTW, 1 of the hand guns, a .38 revolver, is my wife's & we actually purchased a home defense shot gun at her prompting. Even a 20 gauge trumps a .50 caliber

 

I grew up with guns, my father was an avid outdoors-man so I was taught a deep abiding respect for fire arms as a young child. When my children where at home they where taught the same although guns where locked away with trigger locks in my house. Even when they where teens & had been familiar with them they where kept unloaded, locked away with trigger locks because they always had friends in the house.

 

I can fully understand and appreciate someone who has not been around guns being very uncomfortable with them however. As comfortable as I am with guns I lived in an area once in which you could get a carry permit but not a CW, or concealed weapons permit so it wasn't terribly unusual to see some "John Wayne" type, (nothing against John Wayne), with a side arm in a Wal-Mart & I have to admit, that even made me nervous. In fact my thought was; if I ever had a reason to carry a gun in public, (which I don't, I think it stupid), it would be because of how uneasy I felt seeing some bozo with a side arm walking through Wal-Mart. Just another reason not to shop at WalMart

Edited February 11, 2012 by oldguy

[oldguy]

PS; Unlike my father, I'm not into hunting & just like LOBOUSO; I'm not a big 2nd amendment gun person, but I grew up with & around guns & enjoy range shooting. If your doing it right you better be 100% focused on what your doing as well as your environment. Its a little like riding a motorcycle or flying or martial arts, it forces you, or at least me, to be more focused & aware of the hear & now & allows me to leave the rest of the world behind.

[Jynxx]

When it comes to Canada having less murders then the US, that has little/nothing to do with guns and everything to do with other social factors. Switzerland has a very high per capita gun ownership rate and there is little crime there, gun or otherwise. Same with Sweden.

If by very high you mean just over half that of the US and just over 1/3rd that of the US, then yes you are right.

 

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

[oldguy]

If by very high you mean just over half that of the US and just over 1/3rd that of the US, then yes you are right.

 

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

 

And this link only refers to legal guns.

I think your absolutely correct; it has more to do with social factors. I have a problem with people owning guns who not only never have to take a gun safety course but I know some who own guns who have never fired them. IMO that is insane. In the state I had mentioned in an earlier post, they one with open carry permit, you had to take a gun safety course which included qualifying at a shooting range & I don't remember for sure but I think they have to qualify each time they renewed their permit. The State I'm in now you can get a carry permit by simply passing a back ground check. Of course most of the gun crimes here are committed by arsholes with illegal street guns.

Edited February 11, 2012 by oldguy

[mn311601]

lot of anti gun very ignorant people on this thread I see.

[oldguy]

:lmao: can you provide a little more insight?

[Jynxx]

And this link only refers to legal guns.

Obviously. But do you think it would be much different with the estimated number of illegal guns? I somehow find it hard to believe Swiss would have so many more illegal guns than the US that would make the ratio much different.

lot of anti gun very ignorant people on this thread I see.

Lol, and I didn't even state my opinion yet. I just like to call out stupidity and misinformation whenever I see it.

[oldguy]

Obviously. But do you think it would be much different with the estimated number of illegal guns? I somehow find it hard to believe Swiss would have so many more illegal guns than the US that would make the ratio much different.

 

That wasn't what I was getting at. The US is at the top of the list with just legal guns which makes me wonder what the ratio of illegal guns are to legal ones, 3 to 1 in favor of the illegal... 10 to 1?

In case my previous posts weren't taken into consideration; I'm a multiple gun own. I would just like there to be a great deal more mandatory gun safety an awareness taught to owners.