silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Women have a much more fluid sexuality than men do. Sure that rigidity can create some double standards from time to time... but it also has it's benefits. You don't have to worry that your straight BF is porking his buddies when they are out on a golf trip. My aunt married a gay guy and struggled with that for 15 years before they divorced. I think that's a myth... Regarding both genders' sexual fluidity, I mean. I don't think a straight woman will turn bi or lesbian more easily than a man (regardless what those porno stories say LOL). Besides, I'm sure there are many gay men who marry women just because society is not very accepting of male homosexuality. (It's getting better but it still isn't perfect.) In ancient times men (most of them straight I presume) had no problem engaging in homoerotic situations before battle for example. It just depends on the historical era you live in.
silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Increasing numbers of women, myself included also prefer "pump and dump" relationships ... there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're direct & honest about your intentions. Nothing wrong with that, but I believe the majority of women i.e. 30+ doesn't behave this way. There are spikes of increase in the younger generation though. That's true. However this is followed by a statistical drop once they pass that age stage.
somedude81 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Just in terms of relative scarcity, here's my penis-to-boob comparison chart: AA ~ 3" A ~ 4" B ~ 5" C ~ 6" D ~ 7" E ~ 8" etc with every inch of penis size being equivalently as uncommon as another inch from the chest (i.e. cup size). D cup breasts aren't that rare and inf act are becoming more common thanks to diet decisions. 7 is rare and 8+ are the 1%.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I think that's a myth... Regarding both genders' sexual fluidity, I mean. I don't think a straight woman will turn bi or lesbian more easily than a man (regardless what those porno stories say LOL). Besides, I'm sure there are many gay men who marry women just because society is not very accepting of male homosexuality. (It's getting better but it still isn't perfect.) In ancient times men (most of them straight I presume) had no problem engaging in homoerotic situations before battle for example. It just depends on the historical era you live in. I read some studies that tried to exclude social conditioning... and it really seemed to point to the idea that women are much more fluid sexually. My gay uncle didn't need a cover story... he wanted kids and a family. Sure the Ancient Greeks made love to other men regularly. They also molested the crap out of every little boy they could get their hands on. In those ancient cultures there often wasn't a line between pedophiles and gays. D cup breasts aren't that rare and inf act are becoming more common thanks to diet decisions. 7 is rare and 8+ are the 1%. Don't use the term 1% or some well meaning ladies may get the idea to occupy a dick.
kaylan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Yeaaaah, in the other thread you said that porn makes you want to F your gf, yet here you admit that you imagine yourself as the guy banging the porn chick. You're so full of it Because Im supposed to have the same thing on my mind ALL the time when watching porn? Hop off my jock. As I explained to the other girl, my thought process varies during arousal. And Im single at the moment. So if I want to imagine myself being the guy in the porno, I can. Not that women I date ever had issues when I fantasize about other women. Wasnt there a thread about that too? I didnt see women in there crying about what men fantasize about. They fantasize about other men themselves. Lol @ you calling me full of it though. Kindly deposit yourself into the sun please =)
kaylan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I don't think it has anything to do with insecurity. I'm solidly straight. Gay stuff kinda just gives me the willies. I've never watched one... but I assume it plays like a prison rape video.It has everything to do with insecurity. Have you not seen how overly macho many dudes try to be to assert their masculinity and how not gay they are? A lot of that is because us guys are conditioned to be that way. Especially the gay jokes and calling one another "fag". I never seen women behave the way a group of dudes do. It gives you the willies because your conditioned by society for it to. 30 years ago most people would get the willies from lesbian stuff to. But a lot dont nowadays because weve been conditioned to see it as hot. My older cousin told me that back when she was in college and high school in the 80s, women were just as homophobic as men are today. And you equate gay sex to prison rape? I hope you equate lesbian sex to female prison rape then(which is very real)....if not then youve proved my point about societal influence. Anyway... the media in general is so gay positive right now that I don't think things work the way you believe they do.Its becoming more gay friendly, but they still dont treat gays and lesbians the same. I had a friend that was gay for 2 years despite having no real attraction to men. He just thought the lifestyle seemed cool, and had a crazy messed up homelife. His mom was cheating on his Dad with this younger guy... and then HE stole the dude from his mom and they ran off to SF together for a year. He was 16 the other guy was like 23. I think today we get more positive messages about gay people than negative. What really holds gay guys back is that we equate them with being feminine. How is one gay buy not attracted to guys? lol I dont get that. I dunno if theres more positive then negative portrayal of gay folks though because my bi chick friends have talk to me about there still being quite a stigma out there. So i dunno. But the reason we equate gay dudes as feminine has everything to do with how our straight world portrays them. Not too long ago, lesbians were seen as masculine and not hot. By the late 90s it became all the rage and now they are seen as more feminine. It does nothing for me however. Nothings more feminine in my opinion, than a girl who craves and can only be pleasured by a man.
silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I read some studies that tried to exclude social conditioning... and it really seemed to point to the idea that women are much more fluid sexually. My gay uncle didn't need a cover story... he wanted kids and a family. Sure the Ancient Greeks made love to other men regularly. They also molested the crap out of every little boy they could get their hands on. In those ancient cultures there often wasn't a line between pedophiles and gays. Don't use the term 1% or some well meaning ladies may get the idea to occupy a dick. I'm Greek and, no, this wasn't simply about paedophilia. And it also included many other cultures. I don't know about your gay uncle but gay men have been historically pressured to marry and have kids so as to appear straight. Now they can marry each other and then adopt or use a sperm donor instead. Maybe men are the ones who are more fluid sexually? They are embryonically developed as females first during womb gestation after all. LOL But regardless, women only SEEM to be more fluid because they have learnt to not withhold their emotions. For example, they can easily hold hands with other women even though they're totally straight - and that happens without being judged. (I did that, too, and I'm straight). Now imagine if I was a man doing the same! LOL
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 It has everything to do with insecurity. Have you not seen how overly macho many dudes try to be to assert their masculinity and how not gay they are? A lot of that is because us guys are conditioned to be that way. Especially the gay jokes and calling one another "fag". I never seen women behave the way a group of dudes do. It gives you the willies because your conditioned by society for it to. 30 years ago most people would get the willies from lesbian stuff to. But a lot dont nowadays because weve been conditioned to see it as hot. My older cousin told me that back when she was in college and high school in the 80s, women were just as homophobic as men are today. And you equate gay sex to prison rape? I hope you equate lesbian sex to female prison rape then(which is very real)....if not then youve proved my point about societal influence. Its becoming more gay friendly, but they still dont treat gays and lesbians the same. How is one gay buy not attracted to guys? lol I dont get that. I dunno if theres more positive then negative portrayal of gay folks though because my bi chick friends have talk to me about there still being quite a stigma out there. So i dunno. But the reason we equate gay dudes as feminine has everything to do with how our straight world portrays them. Not too long ago, lesbians were seen as masculine and not hot. By the late 90s it became all the rage and now they are seen as more feminine. It does nothing for me however. Nothings more feminine in my opinion, than a girl who craves and can only be pleasured by a man. The only reason guys watch lesbian stuff is because they use super hot women... and often those women refuse to do stuff on film with guys. From everything I see... real Lesbians are not good looking. I'm with you... lesbians don't turn me on at all. My sister had a lesbian phase and all the women she dated where Fugly. I don't know how my friend could run around with other guys and not be gay. I think what we are attracted to is more influenced by society than we like to admit. There is a very strong possibility that what we find sexually stimulating is over 50% cultural for some people. I think back to my teenage obsession with big titty blonds and it just doesn't seem like something I would want on my own. My friend from Russia had totally different tastes... he liked tall women with muscle tone.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I'm Greek and, no, this wasn't simply about paedophilia. And it also included many other cultures. I don't know about your gay uncle but gay men have been historically pressured to marry and have kids so as to appear straight. Now they can marry each other and then adopt or use a sperm donor instead. Maybe men are the ones who are more fluid sexually? They are embryonically developed as females first during womb gestation after all. LOL But regardless, women only SEEM to be more fluid because they have learnt to not withhold their emotions. For example, they can easily hold hands with other women even though they're totally straight - and that happens without being judged. (I did that, too, and I'm straight). Now imagine if I was a man doing the same! LOL I don't believe they put much thought into age when it comes to sex. When some guy is teaching you to be gay at the age of 8... that pretty much normalizes the behavior for a person. You probably can't even imagine the effect of large doses of testosterone on the way you think. I had an episode where I gained like 50 pounds and my testosterone levels crashed. It blows my mind to this day how different the world looked to me. I've decided never to put on weight like that ever again.
mtber75 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Kind of the flipside of the porn coin...men, how would you feel if you found out your girlfriend watches porn regularly (1 or 2 times a week)? Let's assume your sex life is otherwise happy and healthy. That is so awesome! I prefer to watch porn alone or with a girl! Watching porn with other dude is pretty gay...No offense to the gay guys out there! 1 to 2 time a weeks is not exactly regular...Its more like daily
kaylan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The only reason guys watch lesbian stuff is because they use super hot women... and often those women refuse to do stuff on film with guys. From everything I see... real Lesbians are not good looking. I'm with you... lesbians don't turn me on at all. My sister had a lesbian phase and all the women she dated where Fugly. Some guys watch it for the same reason some women watch gay porn I guess. Just like the other female poster was saying, the actors look better to her in gay porn. It confuses me why I can sometimes enjoy lesbian porn, but whenever Ive seen girls makeout in real life Ive found it a turn off. I don't know how my friend could run around with other guys and not be gay. Hes so gay. At least I think so. But I dont know him, and you said he has had a complicated life. Plus sexuality can be quite complex in some people...so maybe hes just confused? I think what we are attracted to is more influenced by society than we like to admit. There is a very strong possibility that what we find sexually stimulating is over 50% cultural for some people. I think back to my teenage obsession with big titty blonds and it just doesn't seem like something I would want on my own. My friend from Russia had totally different tastes... he liked tall women with muscle tone. In Soviet Russia woman muscles You! Btw, speaking of blonde girls with nice racks, and Slavic women with muscle tone...a few summers back I worked with this blonde Ukrainian chick who was in the states volunteering with a summer camp. She had some muscle tone and a nice rack going on. She was a Judo champion who had been to nationals...so she had a strong, yet feminine body. I thought she was super hot. Very different from any girl Id have met. But anyways, I do agree with you about society playing a big part in what we find attractive. I could be into a totally different thing if I grew up in another time or country. Hell, you should hear my friends dad talk about how women in magazines nowdays arent real women. Too skinny for his tastes compared to the more voluptuous gals of back in the day.
Jane2011 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Interesting thread. I haven't seen much porn, but in the past year or two, I have been wanting (and meaning) to watch more. (What little I have seen in my life, I'm turned on by some of it). I'm paranoid, though, that somehow (even though I have my own computer) someone is going to find out that I've been watching it. I'm also afraid that the porn sites are seedy/shady and will have viruses and whatnot.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The average is generally B, but it's DEFINITELY not implants growing them to C/D--it's obesity. Never met anyone with implants, but I've personally known dozens of women who are bigger due to weight. Half the women in my family are bigger due to weight. Obesity would make sense why the average breast size has grown. Hell has frozen over, we might agree on a point. But I do think that implants probably do play their part too.
NewSmyrnaBeach Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) I think most girls do watch porn. I don't feel threatened by it. My girl could "scratch the record" 5 times a day and I wouldn't mind, as long as it isn't interfering with our sex life. Both of us have extremely healthy, if not overactive, libidos so I guess I kind of expect it and wouldn't have it any other way. Edited February 10, 2012 by NewSmyrnaBeach
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 endor, you have a brilliant and rare insight into the soul of WOMAN. If my husband caught me watching porn, I fear he'd point and laugh.
silvermercy Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 Most women are actually lesbian or that they swing more towards the lesbian direction. People are not either 100% gay or straight, it can be fluid as in a person might be 50/50.. or 60/40 in one direction... And most women are atleast 60/40 in the lesbian direction. Or.... maybe men are getting uglier and uglier these days.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 No women are just naturally more intrested in other women than men. So are you gonna get sexually reassigned?
Soxfaninfl Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 Kind of the flipside of the porn coin...men, how would you feel if you found out your girlfriend watches porn regularly (1 or 2 times a week)? Let's assume your sex life is otherwise happy and healthy. My ex-wife and I used to watch it together. Hell she used to like to watch porn while I gave her oral sex. I watched porn when my ex-wife wasn't in the mood. We used to have sex at least once a week. We were married for 11 years.
Imageiko Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 All the anti porn thoughts by men and women in this thread is basically the cause of insecurity which is kinda disappointing. For the females that said there are only ugly men in porn so thats why men aren't threatened by it are hilariously way off and obviously haven't watched that much porn. There are just as many average looking girls in porn as there are guys. Do you know how much porn there is on the internet?! Nothing wrong with either side watching a little porn as a supplement. If you'd rather watch porn then be with your partner or your watching more porn than spending time with your partner then you definitely have a problem. @ OP you generally seem like a cool chick and in this case I'd say you have nothing to worry about with your boyfriend. I'd be shocked if he had a problem with it.
musemaj11 Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 Why would a man have problem with women watching porn? Unlike women, men dont find making drama out of nothing fascinating. Also men know that watching porn means zero.
counterman Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 I actually think it's pretty cool having a girl comfortable with her own sexually. I don't think your boyfriend would have a problem with it. To all those girls who say that guys don't have a problem with girls watch porn because the guys in porn are old and ugly are totally off. If people don't agree with watching porn, that's fine, to each his/her own but to say that it's because there's less attractive males in porn, that's fairly questionable. I'm personally comfortable with myself for my girlfriend to watch guys that bigger than me, stronger, etc. in porn BUT as long as it doesn't detract from our sex life. If watching porn ruins my mood or even slightly lowers my drive, I would gladly not watch.
Fondue Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 I wouldn't even think twice about it. No matter the kind of stuff she likes. It would go like this: "Hey, you know I regularly watch some of that scat midget porn." "Oh, okay." End. I don't see any reason to make into an issue. People have sexual needs that may otherwise not be provided by their partner. So you find alternatives. What's wrong with this?
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 I'd be more concerned if you find out your girlfriend watches "The Bachelor."
Fondue Posted February 11, 2012 Posted February 11, 2012 I'd be more concerned if you find out your girlfriend watches "The Bachelor." There wouldn't be a concern over that either. There will always be someone more attractive than you, with bigger boobs/dicks, better features, smiles, eyes, etc. What's the point in worrying about this? Are you SERIOUSLY going to try and censor the person your with from all that crap? Is that even realistic? How is it possible to be threatened by any of this. This is exactly why I never understood this "porn is evil because it is objectifying" or "they are unrealistic women on there" crap. Those are horrible arguments. There are more attractive people EVERYWHERE. Your town, your workplace, your school, the popular bar everyone goes to every Friday night. You can't avoid it, why get worked up for it? Appreciate the fact that the person is choosign to sleep with you and accepts your imperfections. People who fail to see this are ****ing dumb, in my opinion.
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