EnigmaticClarity Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I do think that perceptions of breast size are changing because of porn. I have never heard of size E or even size DDD breasts. The average breast size use to be B-Cs, it now seems that the average is C-Ds. But so many women are getting breast implants I think this scews the number of what is realistic. I don't think placing breast implants as a natural barometer is really fair. The average is generally B, but it's DEFINITELY not implants growing them to C/D--it's obesity. Never met anyone with implants, but I've personally known dozens of women who are bigger due to weight. Half the women in my family are bigger due to weight.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 The average is generally B, but it's DEFINITELY not implants growing them to C/D--it's obesity. Never met anyone with implants, but I've personally known dozens of women who are bigger due to weight. Half the women in my family are bigger due to weight. That's true. Obesity/being overweight is still way more common than breast implants. I'm sure it's more common on the west coast, but in little ol' NJ, I don't think I've met any ladies with implants in my life.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 True story. Every study ever done on penis size (not that there have been many) has found that the average is 5 to 6 inches. I think 5.9 inches on the dot is the highest average any of those studies ever found. I think a condom company did another one that had a higher average, about 6.2 or so, but that was a volunteer-based study done on college students during spring break, so it wasn't exactly a random sampling. For all her talk about unrealistic expectations of women's bodies, DY sure seems to be clueless about male bodies. Wait... I heard that condom manufacturers had to go back and re-engineer one for India because they kept falling off. So that average may differ depending on what country your talking about.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Wait... I heard that condom manufacturers had to go back and re-engineer one for India because they kept falling off. So that average may differ depending on what country your talking about. Not sure, but this is what Wikipedia had to say on the subject. Several scientific studies have been performed on the erect length of the adult penis. Studies which have relied on self-measurement, including those from Internet surveys, consistently reported a higher average length than those which used medical or scientific methods to obtain measurements.[8][14] The following staff-measured studies are each composed of different subgroups of the human population (i.e. specific age range and/or race; selection of those with sexual medical concerns or self-selection) which could cause a sample bias.[14][15] A study published in the September 1996 Journal of Urology concluded that average erect length was 12.9 cm (5.01 in) (measured by staff).[6] The purpose of the study was to “provide guidelines of penile length and circumference to assist in counseling patients considering penile augmentation.” Erection was pharmacologically induced in 80 physically normal American men (varying ethnicity, average age 54). It was concluded: “Neither patient age nor size of the flaccid penis accurately predicted erectile length.” A study published in the December 2000 International Journal of Impotence Research found that average erect penis length in 50 Jewish Caucasian males was 13.6 cm (5.35 in) (measured by staff).[7] Quote: "The aim of this prospective study was to identify clinical and engineering parameters of the flaccid penis for prediction of penile size during erection." Erection was pharmacologically induced in 50 Jewish Caucasian patients who had been evaluated for erectile dysfunction (average age 47±14y). Patients with penis abnormalities or whose ED could be attributed to more than one psychological origin were omitted from the study. A study conducted by LifeStyles Condoms found an average of 14.9 cm (5.9 in) with a standard deviation of 2.1 cm (0.8 in) (measured by staff).[8] The purpose of this study was to ensure properly sized condoms were available. A review published in the 2007 issue of BJU International showed the average erect penis length to be 14–16 cm (5.5–6.3 in) and girth to be 12–13 cm (4.7–5.1 in). The paper compared results of twelve studies conducted on different populations in several countries.[12] An Italian study of about 3,300 men concluded that stretched length was measured on average to about 5 inches (13 cm). In addition, a correlation between weight and height and penis length was also found. However this was done only on 500 men and has very little correlation value.[16]
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 For all her talk about unrealistic expectations of women's bodies, DY sure seems to be clueless about male bodies. It's not just her--almost all the LoveShack women have been ruined by porn! They all want that 7 inches, which is about the equivalent of a natural D-cup, i.e. less than 10% of the population. I feel so constantly degraded by all the women in society who have been brainwashed by porn. If I have to tell another woman that "my eyes are up HERE!" again this month, I think I might have to give up on romance entirely. I'm so sick of being treated like an object by women.
silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Haha... I don't think your going to find many guys that feel threatened by Twilight. Young guys will clown on it, because the show takes something predominantly male and makes it crazy feminine. Vampires should burst into flames when the sun hits them... that's hardcore. In Twilight.... they glitter like a drag queen. True Blood is awesome. I'm just tired of vampires. If my GF wants to watch porn... I'm Ok with that. Provided it isn't gay porn or exceedingly weird stuff. I would definitely have some questions if she was into that stuff. Trust me there are many adult men whose adult girlfriend is a Twilight / vampire fan and that's exactly the way they deal with it; minimizing the threat by making derogatory comments about these men being effeminate, gay etc. (I've seen it myself, and I also know that because my best friend is a club member of a big Twilight fan club and every week she will mention all her "insider" info. LOL) Even Justin Bieber (whose music I am personally NOT fond of AT ALL) is treated this way. LOL However he has a huge appeal with teenage girls for a reason. No matter how many "gay" "looks like a girl" comments are thrown at him by males he will still attract the girls in huge numbers. If you look up YAOI as I mentioned previously, slightly effeminate (aka handsome) men are VERY popular with females of all ages. I don't see why gay porn for women is not ok but lesbian porn for men is... Edited February 10, 2012 by silvermercy
kaylan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) I see nothing wrong with a girl watching gay porn. Its the same as dudes watching lesbian porn. You are just watching double of the gender you are attracted to. The double standard is created by the insecure straight dudes who control society though. And this usually trickles down into the minds of the masses. If it wasnt for the pervasive societal viewpoint of "gays gross, lesbians hot" I bet youd find more women interested in and admitting to watching gay porn. Edited February 10, 2012 by kaylan
silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I see nothing wrong with a girl watching gay porn. Its the same as dudes watching lesbian porn. You are just watching double of the gender you are attracted to. The double standard is created by the insecure straight dudes who control society though. And this usually trickles down into the minds of the masses. If it wasnt for the pervasive societal viewpoint of "gays gross, lesbians hot" I bet youd find more women interested in and admitting to watching gay porn. Spot on for both statements!
TheBigQuestion Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 It's not just her--almost all the LoveShack women have been ruined by porn! They all want that 7 inches, which is about the equivalent of a natural D-cup, i.e. less than 10% of the population. I feel so constantly degraded by all the women in society who have been brainwashed by porn. If I have to tell another woman that "my eyes are up HERE!" again this month, I think I might have to give up on romance entirely. I'm so sick of being treated like an object by women. How are us real men supposed to deal with such an oppressive culture??
aj22one Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I see nothing wrong with a girl watching gay porn. Its the same as dudes watching lesbian porn. You are just watching double of the gender you are attracted to. Yeah I don't care what people watch, but I don't see the appeal of lesbian porn. I mean there's nothing at all attractive or arousing about watching two women go at it who could care less if I was there.
kaylan Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Yeah I don't care what people watch, but I don't see the appeal of lesbian porn. I mean there's nothing at all attractive or arousing about watching two women go at it who could care less if I was there. I like lesbian porn from time to time, but only if its real lesbians. Most of the time the women in porn are lesbian/bisexual for pay and lack passion. I find it super boring. Plus, without seeing a dude give it to a chick, I have nothing to relate to in the porn. I prefer watching straight porn because I can imagine myself as the dude.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 How are us real men supposed to deal with such an oppressive culture?? By educating people. I'm hoping that whoever wrote the screenplay for the movie "Real Women Have Curves" will write a sequel named "Real Men Have Chodes."
cerridwen Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I don't want him to think I'm a freak or a sex-crazed nympho or something. As for me being a doll, thanks. That's actually his nickname for me. Excessive, 'round-the-clock use of porn does not a freak make (*fingers crossed*). You should let him "catch you" enjoying it, Kiss. I'd wager it would be a happy, happy day for him to walk in on you. It might take him a minute to adjust but bet my bottom dollar once he did it'd be laissez les bon temps roulez!
Negative Nancy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 If my GF wants to watch porn... I'm Ok with that. Provided it isn't gay porn or exceedingly weird stuff. I would definitely have some questions if she was into that stuff. Yeaaaah....sure you would. But I bet she's expected to be cool with your lesbian porn, huh
Negative Nancy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 (edited) Look at how insecure all the men got in here all of a sudden, talking incessantly about the average c*ck size and citing studies about what the average size is in attempt to set the record straight about the "average 7 or 8 inches" that are "just a porn myth". Yet women are supposed to rise above all the unrealistic standards that porn portrays? Plus, without seeing a dude give it to a chick, I have nothing to relate to in the porn. I prefer watching straight porn because I can imagine myself as the dude. Yeaaaah, in the other thread you said that porn makes you want to F your gf, yet here you admit that you imagine yourself as the guy banging the porn chick. You're so full of it Edited February 10, 2012 by Negative Nancy
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Trust me there are many adult men whose adult girlfriend is a Twilight / vampire fan and that's exactly the way they deal with it; minimizing the threat by making derogatory comments about these men being effeminate, gay etc. (I've seen it myself, and I also know that because my best friend is a club member of a big Twilight fan club and every week she will mention all her "insider" info. LOL) Even Justin Bieber (whose music I am personally NOT fond of AT ALL) is treated this way. LOL However he has a huge appeal with teenage girls for a reason. No matter how many "gay" "looks like a girl" comments are thrown at him by males he will still attract the girls in huge numbers. If you look up YAOI as I mentioned previously, slightly effeminate (aka handsome) men are VERY popular with females of all ages. I don't see why gay porn for women is not ok but lesbian porn for men is... I don't watch lesbian porn. Like I said.... I don't really have a rational explanation for why a woman watching gay porn grosses me out. It just does. Why would I need a justification for that? I fail to see how Bieber or Twilight represents a threat to the average male. What you fail to acknowledge is that men naturally hold each other to gender standards. This is especially true for immature boys who are trying to learn how to be men. They see guys acting like this on TV and have no respect for them. By trashing the show to their friends I think it reinforces their own standard of male behavior. I see nothing wrong with a girl watching gay porn. Its the same as dudes watching lesbian porn. You are just watching double of the gender you are attracted to. The double standard is created by the insecure straight dudes who control society though. And this usually trickles down into the minds of the masses. If it wasnt for the pervasive societal viewpoint of "gays gross, lesbians hot" I bet youd find more women interested in and admitting to watching gay porn. I don't think it has anything to do with insecurity. I'm solidly straight. Gay stuff kinda just gives me the willies. I've never watched one... but I assume it plays like a prison rape video. Anyway... the media in general is so gay positive right now that I don't think things work the way you believe they do. I had a friend that was gay for 2 years despite having no real attraction to men. He just thought the lifestyle seemed cool, and had a crazy messed up homelife. His mom was cheating on his Dad with this younger guy... and then HE stole the dude from his mom and they ran off to SF together for a year. He was 16 the other guy was like 23. I think today we get more positive messages about gay people than negative. What really holds gay guys back is that we equate them with being feminine.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Yeaaaah....sure you would. But I bet she's expected to be cool with your lesbian porn, huh Where do you wierdo's get the idea that I watch lesbian porn? I don't even watch hetero couples do anal. It's a big turn off.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Look at how insecure all the men got in here all of a sudden, talking incessantly about the average c*ck size and citing studies about what the average size is in attempt to set the record straight about the "average 7 or 8 inches" that are "just a porn myth". Yet women are supposed to rise above all the unrealistic standards that porn portrays? That's delusional--I'm not insecure in the slightest, talking about reality doesn't indelibly imply insecurity. I'm free to talk about it openly mostly because I'm NOT insecure. And yes, women NOR men shouldn't feel threatened by the ways they come up short as compared to the rest of humanity. My girlfriend talks about a fascination with big penises on occasion and it doesn't threaten me--why should it? She does it because she knows I know she loves me. If I thought she only loved me for my body, I'd understand her leaving me--although I think my body is pretty freaking great. If your self-worth is tied to your body--or your significant other's reason for loving you is tied to your body--then yea, you're going to be threatened by them looking at other people.
TheBigQuestion Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Look at how insecure all the men got in here all of a sudden, talking incessantly about the average c*ck size and citing studies about what the average size is in attempt to set the record straight about the "average 7 or 8 inches" that are "just a porn myth". Yet women are supposed to rise above all the unrealistic standards that porn portrays? I don't know if it's a "porn myth" or just a failure to understand what 7-8 inches actually looks like, but I cited those studies to demonstrate that what DY was saying was factually incorrect. I know that having size DD breasts are a relative rarity and I always have, regardless of what pornography puts out there. And even then, there's PLENTY of porn featuring women with C-cups or smaller. Saying that a 7" penis is in the realm of average is pretty much the equivalent of saying that a D cup is the average breast size for women. I challenge you to find any man in this thread (or anywhere in the world, really) who is ignorant enough to make that statement. Go ahead!
silvermercy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 I don't watch lesbian porn. Like I said.... I don't really have a rational explanation for why a woman watching gay porn grosses me out. It just does. Why would I need a justification for that? I fail to see how Bieber or Twilight represents a threat to the average male. What you fail to acknowledge is that men naturally hold each other to gender standards. This is especially true for immature boys who are trying to learn how to be men. They see guys acting like this on TV and have no respect for them. By trashing the show to their friends I think it reinforces their own standard of male behavior. I don't think it has anything to do with insecurity. I'm solidly straight. Gay stuff kinda just gives me the willies. I've never watched one... but I assume it plays like a prison rape video. You don't have to justify it. At least you're not a hypocrite. However, I wouldn't want a man in my life who thinks like that, understandably. It used to gross me out, too, initially. But then I forced myself to watch it out of curiosity since so many other women did. And I finally got out of this "fear" I had about gay porn. I realized I had been conditioned not to like it. So now I think it's weird for a woman not to like gay porn. It should come naturally. After all, so many men watch lesbian porn and women are supposed to put up with it or even be "forced" to like it sometimes. No, it's usually not like that (re: prison). I dare you to go watch a gay video to see. LOL It's surprising to me that they can be more affectionate than the men in hetero porn. I think it's the same with lesbian videos. A lot of kissing and touching. In hetero porn it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am. lol
Negative Nancy Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 In hetero porn it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am. lol Yup, just what men want. Pump and dump.
somedude81 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Uhh...trust me, "lost horniness" isn't a problem. I already practically want sex more often than my boyfriend. When I see him I'm jumping his bones, even if I've masturbated every day that week. That's awesome then. My worry is getting a girl that doesn't want sex as much as I so porn would have to go. But that's not your problem at all. So wack away. I know I have read in other places that it was anywhere from 5-7. I am not disputing that average penis sizes are 5 and 6 inches. I think 7 inches can be included in that. I think 8+ is big. Are you serious?! 7 is big. 8+ is monstrous. Putting it in breast terms, 7 is like a DD, 8 inches is a G. Yeah porn is messing with girls minds.
Untouchable_Fire Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 You don't have to justify it. At least you're not a hypocrite. However, I wouldn't want a man in my life who thinks like that, understandably. It used to gross me out, too, initially. But then I forced myself to watch it out of curiosity since so many other women did. And I finally got out of this "fear" I had about gay porn. I realized I had been conditioned not to like it. So now I think it's weird for a woman not to like gay porn. It should come naturally. After all, so many men watch lesbian porn and women are supposed to put up with it or even be "forced" to like it sometimes. No, it's usually not like that (re: prison). I dare you to go watch a gay video to see. LOL It's surprising to me that they can be more affectionate than the men in hetero porn. I think it's the same with lesbian videos. A lot of kissing and touching. In hetero porn it's wham-bam-thank you ma'am. lol Women have a much more fluid sexuality than men do. Sure that rigidity can create some double standards from time to time... but it also has it's benefits. You don't have to worry that your straight BF is porking his buddies when they are out on a golf trip. My aunt married a gay guy and struggled with that for 15 years before they divorced.
soserious1 Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 Yup, just what men want. Pump and dump. Increasing numbers of women, myself included also prefer "pump and dump" relationships ... there's nothing wrong with that as long as you're direct & honest about your intentions.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 10, 2012 Posted February 10, 2012 7 is big. 8+ is monstrous. Putting it in breast terms, 7 is like a DD, 8 inches is a G. Yeah porn is messing with girls minds. Just in terms of relative scarcity, here's my penis-to-boob comparison chart: AA ~ 3" A ~ 4" B ~ 5" C ~ 6" D ~ 7" E ~ 8" etc with every inch of penis size being equivalently as uncommon as another inch from the chest (i.e. cup size).
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