joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 So am I bitter or not now? lol You go along with them so you are bitter
silvermercy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 You go along with them so you are bitter Riiight.... You contradict yourself totally in the last couple of posts here.
joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Riiight.... You contradict yourself totally in the last couple of posts here. LMAO!! You joined the man haters group by agreeing with them no contradiction there
silvermercy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 LMAO!! You joined the man haters group by agreeing with them no contradiction there LMAO? No, I'm talking about your own posts. And I don't think I agreed with everything. LOL Myself watches porn and even gay porn for God's sake!!
joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 LMAO? No, I'm talking about your own posts. And I don't think I agreed with everything. LOL Myself watches porn and even gay porn for God's sake!! Then why jump on the man bashing band wagon with DY when you watch porn yourself.
silvermercy Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Then why jump on the man bashing band wagon with DY when you watch porn yourself. I don't think you have followed my posts in their entirety -or paid close attention- so as to notice that I haven't jumped on any band wagon and that I only partially agree with DY (and it's her opinion anyway which I totally respect).
joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I don't think you have followed my posts in their entirety -or paid close attention- so as to notice that I haven't jumped on any band wagon and that I only partially agree with DY (and it's her opinion anyway which I totally respect). Ok. I just got that thing where if you agree with them then you are one of them. Its something I always had. The focus of my thread wasn't you.
Mme. Chaucer Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 It must be time to watch some porn ...
Badsingularity Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 - Not all women bash men. Most don't. I never said all women bash men. that often drives men's preferences (rather than the other way round). I disagree. My preferences are the same now as they were before I ever saw any porn. By the way, I don't like anything fake on a woman. - Many times these differences are due to social conditioning and not just genes only. Again I disagree. The differences between men and women are caused by the physical differences in men and womens anatomy. Our brains are physically different, our bodies are different, the levels of different hormones produced by men and women are vastly different. These things effect what we want and desire. Good for you and your girlfriend Thanks
ThaWholigan Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 The last few pages of this thread leaves me confused: Is it really men who dictate the standards of beauty in a woman? Somehow I am beginning to doubt it......
xxoo Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 The last few pages of this thread leaves me confused: Is it really men who dictate the standards of beauty in a woman? Somehow I am beginning to doubt it...... I've long believed that women are far more critical of other women's appearance than men are of women appearance. Is that what you were getting at?
joystickd Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I don't think you have followed my posts in their entirety -or paid close attention- so as to notice that I haven't jumped on any band wagon and that I only partially agree with DY (and it's her opinion anyway which I totally respect). I've long believed that women are far more critical of other women's appearance than men are of women appearance. Is that what you were getting at? Women set the standards of beauty and keep up the sexual double standard
ThaWholigan Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I've long believed that women are far more critical of other women's appearance than men are of women appearance. Is that what you were getting at? Exactly. Like I was saying earlier in the thread, I believe that there is no ideal perception of beauty except our own individual tastes, which may or may not include certain "conventional" types of beauty. I have my own tastes that are quite unique in some ways to other guys tastes in women, and I actually suspect it's the same for many guys. Megan Fox isn't all that hot to me at all, neither is Briana Banks. I like Salma Hayek though, she's gorgeous . But yes, you are right, women are far more critical in my opinion, all this "oh, her breasts are bigger etc" stuff is quite disheartening, I wish women didn't think like this. I don't doubt that men have our part to play, but generally in my experience, we tend to be more blasé about it. Whoever is hot, is hot full stop, and that includes a wide spectrum of women. Very wide.
xxoo Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 But yes, you are right, women are far more critical in my opinion, all this "oh, her breasts are bigger etc" stuff is quite disheartening, I wish women didn't think like this. I don't doubt that men have our part to play, but generally in my experience, we tend to be more blasé about it. Whoever is hot, is hot full stop, and that includes a wide spectrum of women. Very wide. In my experience, only women have put me down physically. Never men. Women have insulted everything from my hair color and style, to my facial features, to my body. Men? Never. They may not all be attracted to me (surely not), but when they've had something to say, it has always been admiring. The same features that the women cut down, the men compliment!
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I think it's been well established that you are not the person to speak for "most women" about fantasies. I think it's been established that you do not get to dictate what I say.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Many women do though and and just like Adrianna Lima doesn't care about the average man David Beckham is not interested in the average woman. We all fantasize about unattainable celebrities. Both of them are married anyway though sadly that doesn't count for much. I understand that some women do. But I am pointing out that not all women are sexually obessed with people that are deamed popular by society. Although I wonder how many women find David Beckham sexy vs how many women are phyiscally using him as a masturbation aid and seeking out pictures of him to masturbate to. When I am dating someone, being with an actual person is more exciting then thinking of David Beckham. There is too much focus on "celebrities" anyway. Why wouldn't you want to focus on your partner anyway over a celebrity? Men want to see the same thing from women but how often do we get it. I bet every attractive famous man has tons of stories of married women throwing themselves at them. Why do people act like men somehow have a monopoly on this behavior? More likely they have tons of single young women throwing themselves at them whether the celebrity is married or not. And I bet many attractive famous men take those oppurtunities. I'm not saying married women don't do that but it's most likely single young women that adhere to that lifestyle. Edited February 14, 2012 by Disenchantedly Yours
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Attetion Insecure women posting in this thread. (not all) Men and women are DIFFERENT. Stop trying to tell men that they should be attracted to women in the same way that women are attracted to men. It doesn't work. Men are men. Instead of bashing men on the head with your insecurities, why don't you try something else. How about you try and put yourselves in mens shoes and try to truly understand men, and the differences between men and women. Accept these differences. Things will never change because men and women are born with these differences. If you ever get into an LTR with a man and you stay the same way you are now, he will feel like he needs to hide part of himself from you. You know what men love? When I say men I mean the type of men that most women love: secure, confident, kind, caring, strong, fearless, loving. Men like that LOVE women that try to understand them instead of telling them how horrible they are for being men. I've spent years trying to understand women and see things through their point of view. My gf has done the same with men. She truly understands men now. She doesn't always like it, but she understands that men and women of wired differently and she doesn't try and shame me...and I LOVE her for that. Badsingularity, do you know that you started off your post shaming certain women who you are assuming are simply “insecure” and then writing off the multitude of things that were said here by them? And who here told men what to be attracted to? The only thing being discussed is the issues certain things like these cause. And while I DO have my insecurities, I just don’t think it’s fair to pretend it is the only element to the discussion and write off everything else! I do think that we should accept and enjoy each other’s differences. I do not think that gives either gender a reason to take advantage though and to me, with all the opportunities men today have for “fantasy” with porn and other nonsense, it seems like men are taking advantage. It’s no longer about a Playboy magazine once a month. And believe me, I know that men think women are “cool” when they talk about “hot women” and visit strip clubs with him and encourage him just short of banging other women even while he’s with her, but that is not how my brain works. I can’t be that “cool”.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Not all women do but there are some on here that do and they sound bitter as hell. They use this attack on porn as a smoke screen to attack men. Numerous users have in some form pointed this out. If you truly believe an attack on porn is an attack on men, then you believe that porn and men are synonyms and you heavily connect men and their sexuality to the industry of porn.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 I disagree. My preferences are the same now as they were before I ever saw any porn. By the way, I don't like anything fake on a woman. I think it's a combination of both. Obviously you are going to have your natural preferences. But there is a heavy influence from porn about what men find attractive too.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Exactly. Like I was saying earlier in the thread, I believe that there is no ideal perception of beauty except our own individual tastes, which may or may not include certain "conventional" types of beauty. I have my own tastes that are quite unique in some ways to other guys tastes in women, and I actually suspect it's the same for many guys. Megan Fox isn't all that hot to me at all, neither is Briana Banks. I like Salma Hayek though, she's gorgeous . But yes, you are right, women are far more critical in my opinion, all this "oh, her breasts are bigger etc" stuff is quite disheartening, I wish women didn't think like this. I don't doubt that men have our part to play, but generally in my experience, we tend to be more blasé about it. Whoever is hot, is hot full stop, and that includes a wide spectrum of women. Very wide. Wholigan, this isn't quite what you said before to me in another thread when you were talking about several friends who were talking about Adele. As for breasts, when you see guy's eyes wander to the woman in the room with the bigger breasts, it's not hard to draw a conclusion about what men are drawn to.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 In my experience, only women have put me down physically. Never men. Women have insulted everything from my hair color and style, to my facial features, to my body. Men? Never. They may not all be attracted to me (surely not), but when they've had something to say, it has always been admiring. The same features that the women cut down, the men compliment! Do you mean "some" women or "all" women. People like to know these things. When I don't qualify, I get jumped on.
xxoo Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 Do you mean "some" women or "all" women. People like to know these things. When I don't qualify, I get jumped on. Happy to qualify! Certainly not all women have insulted me. Only the ones with issues (their own insecurities, projected onto me). I have also had the pleasure of knowing many women who build me up, instead of knocking me down. As for breasts, when you see guy's eyes wander to the woman in the room with the bigger breasts, it's not hard to draw a conclusion about what men are drawn to. Big breasts are so obvious. They are kind of hard to ignore! Sure, men are drawn to big breasts. Also small breasts, and all breasts in between (although those sizes are less pronounced when dressed).
ThaWholigan Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 (edited) Wholigan, this isn't quite what you said before to me in another thread when you were talking about several friends who were talking about Adele. As for breasts, when you see guy's eyes wander to the woman in the room with the bigger breasts, it's not hard to draw a conclusion about what men are drawn to. Yeah, but the thing is, those guys also liked a bunch of girls who I didn't have an attraction to. Most men have vastly different tastes to each other, believe it or not. I will probably meet a lot of guys who fancy Adele, and maybe some guys who like Fearne Cotton or someone like that. As I have observed in my own analysis, both men and women have their part to play in why women are made to feel a certain way about how they look. Even some of the most beautiful girls I'd ever met had some kind of insecurity about their looks, which was extremely sad in my POV. I can't front, a lot of guys like breasts, but I can't tell you how many men I meet who say they don't care, they like small breasts or medium (they always say they like the booty more). My little brother being one. Edited February 14, 2012 by ThaWholigan
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 xxoo Happy to qualify! Glad to here it! And when you tell me that's what you mean, I believe it. Big breasts are so obvious. They are kind of hard to ignore! Sure, men are drawn to big breasts. Also small breasts, and all breasts in between (although those sizes are less pronounced when dressed). I don't think this statement changes what I said. I'm confused becaue you seem to think it's an explanation but it does is reinforce my earlier comment to me.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted February 14, 2012 Posted February 14, 2012 As I have observed in my own analysis, both men and women have their part to play in why women are made to feel a certain way about how they look. Even some of the most beautiful girls I'd ever met had some kind of insecurity about their looks, which was extremely sad in my POV. I can't front, a lot of guys like breasts, but I can't tell you how many men I meet who say they don't care, they like small breasts or medium (they always say they like the booty more). My little brother being one. I absolutely agree that women play their part. But we do live in a world that picks apart women and their bodies. And we can't tell women to ignore these messages and be so self confident while at the same time justfying the things men do that contribute to that message. That's kind of where I stand on this. I think it makes logical sense.
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