Mme. Chaucer Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 Also, women who like domestic duties don't want to be seen as a housekeeping robot.
Els Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 LOL. Didn't you just respond to my thread directed towards men? I have relationship experience and am currently in one. And 50% of my modus operandi of being on this site is to help guys like the OP get women. The other 50% is just entertainment value. So, if I can show him where I went wrong, I'll be glad to do so. And that includes thinking that appreciating a woman for her inner qualities will earn you points with her if she's not attracted to you. I'm not trying to derail the thread. LS women can still answer the question. Oops, you are? My mistake, then. Allow me to boggle at how I always assumed that you were single and looking.
EnigmaticClarity Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 I have relationship experience and am currently in one. And 50% of my modus operandi of being on this site is to help guys like the OP get women. The other 50% is just entertainment value. I'm here mostly because my girlfriend is a periodic nutbag (LOVE YOU IF YOU'RE READING THIS SWEETIE), partially for entertainment. I find that forums are a spectacular way to get extremely detailed information about deep subjects...I've frequented half a dozen on widely varying topics over the years.
Els Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 i can't speak for jobaba i don't know his story, from what i gather of ross and somedude they don't have much luck. but my post was from nothing but personal experience. and honestly, i don't see how it's a slight against women. it's more of a slight against these guys that ask the same questions over and over and, as i said above, all of them have the same answer. if i walk up to a random woman on the street and comment on her boobs i'm probably gonna get at the very least run away from, or at worst hit with a purse. if i make the same comment to a woman i'm having sex with or about to have sex with she'll think it's cute, sexy, and take it as a compliment. what's the only difference in those situations? this isn't really rocket science. The difference is that if those guys really can't see the difference between a sex object and a sexual being, even if the girl IS interested in them initially, she's likely to get turned off real fast.
somedude81 Posted February 1, 2012 Posted February 1, 2012 The difference is that if those guys really can't see the difference between a sex object and a sexual being, even if the girl IS interested in them initially, she's likely to get turned off real fast. As in, she'll get turned off because the guy will never make a move.
Sweetheartt Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I hear so many times, from guys, that when you're with a woman you find attractive, you're supposed to look at them in a sexual way, ie thinking how much you would like to **** her, imagining her naked, thinking about how her breasts look great. I know that I've always naturally done this anyway. Supposedly this will show in your body language, and you will be more likely to act as though you find her sexually attractive, you will give of the right 'vibes'. So obviously this will be important if you want to attract a woman/hook up with a woman. So, ladies, would you really want guys to not look at you in that way, to not look at you as a sexual creature, and for them to not behave like they're sexual creatures? Would you really rather them not think in that way about you, and wonder about your personality instead, like a neutered nice guy? Would that really turn you on/attract you to him? Huh?! LOL I dont care how guys look at me long as they dont come to me all creepy & ****
Titania22 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 The difference is that if those guys really can't see the difference between a sex object and a sexual being, even if the girl IS interested in them initially, she's likely to get turned off real fast. Ok guys, an object is like a couch or a pair of scissors. It's not conscious. You use it for what you want and don't give it a second thought afterwards. Where being implies consciousness, life, sentience. Which implies a two way interaction between the man and woman, rather just one way between the man and the object. Women do want to be seen as sexy (perhaps not all the time), but they don't want to be seen as non-conscience, non-sentient.
thatone Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 The difference is that if those guys really can't see the difference between a sex object and a sexual being, even if the girl IS interested in them initially, she's likely to get turned off real fast. for them, the only difference is how they say what they say. they can think whatever they like. and the first part only applies until they're having sex, then they can get away with saying every dirty thing they were thinking but didn't say before. mens' minds are simple, they don't think like you do . all they need to know is how to behave, and they'll do fine. trying to understand and mimic your thought process to find some holy grail of success with women is not going to get them anywhere. they're men, women like men. if they don't like men they like other women and these guys have even less of a shot with them.
insaneinthebrain Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Ok guys, an object is like a couch or a pair of scissors. It's not conscious. You use it for what you want and don't give it a second thought afterwards. Where being implies consciousness, life, sentience. Which implies a two way interaction between the man and woman, rather just one way between the man and the object. Women do want to be seen as sexy (perhaps not all the time), but they don't want to be seen as non-conscience, non-sentient. In other words.. make sure she comes too... lol.lol.
Titania22 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 In other words.. make sure she comes too... lol.lol. as if that would ever happen
Negative Nancy Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Do you men really not want to be seen as walking wallets?
123321 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 A somewhat famous dating researcher said "women are sex objects and men are success objects"; Ugly women don't like men to treat them as sex objects and unsuccessful men cry like little girls when women expect a man to be successful. C'est la vie.
Sanman Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Ok guys, an object is like a couch or a pair of scissors. It's not conscious. You use it for what you want and don't give it a second thought afterwards. Where being implies consciousness, life, sentience. Which implies a two way interaction between the man and woman, rather just one way between the man and the object. Women do want to be seen as sexy (perhaps not all the time), but they don't want to be seen as non-conscience, non-sentient. See, that is a simplistic look at the word. Object: 1. anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form. 2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of medical investigation. 3. the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of business. 4. a person or thing with reference to the impression made on the mind or the feeling or emotion elicited in an observer: an object of curiosity and pity. 5. anything that may be apprehended intellectually: objects of thought. My gf is seen by me as a sexual object in the same sense that she is the object of my affections. The answer to the OP's question is this: Women want to be seen as sexual objects (notice I did not say ONLY sexual objects) by men they are interested in/attracted to sexually, but not by men they are not interested in sexually. Done
silvermercy Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 Women want to be seen as sexual objects (notice I did not say ONLY sexual objects) by men they are interested in/attracted to sexually, but not by men they are not interested in sexually. Done But the general rule is that women are usually sexually attracted to a man (and, thus, willing to take it further) once the man has shown he actually cares about her as a being (personality, emotions etc). So even if they are initially sexually attracted they usually won't proceed with someone who sees them as sexual objects.
Sanman Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 But the general rule is that women are usually sexually attracted to a man (and, thus, willing to take it further) once the man has shown he actually cares about her as a being (personality, emotions etc). So even if they are initially sexually attracted they usually won't proceed with someone who sees them as sexual objects. Again, that all depends on how you define the word. I see us all as sex objects or objects of lust. The important thing is seeing a woman as not ONLY a sex object. Though there are honestly a decent number of women who don't mind being seen as only a sex object if the guy is hot enough.
jobaba Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 But the general rule is that women are usually sexually attracted to a man (and, thus, willing to take it further) once the man has shown he actually cares about her as a being (personality, emotions etc). :lmao:
kiss_andmakeup Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 I'll just chime in with the majority of the posters... When women use the phrase "I don't want to be viewed as a sex object," they mean they don't want to be viewed and valued ONLY for their sexuality. They want a man to appreciate their other non-physical assets, such as personality, intelligence, etc. I love being viewed as a sexual being by my boyfriend. I love it when we're out at the bar and it's getting late and he starts looking at me like a hungry wolf and I know exactly what he's thinking. Being desired by your partner is a huge turn-on, and I doubt there are many women out there who don't want their partner to desire them sexually.
kaylan Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 If you don't view women as sexual creatures you will never get anywhere. So Im guessing youve never viewed them as sexual creatures:confused: Sorry, couldnt resist:p
jobaba Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 if i walk up to a random woman on the street and comment on her boobs i'm probably gonna get at the very least run away from, or at worst hit with a purse. if i make the same comment to a woman i'm having sex with or about to have sex with she'll think it's cute, sexy, and take it as a compliment. I'm quoting this truth for Somedude81. It's relevant to his thread on cleavage jokes and his old crush. Got it now?
silvermercy Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 :lmao: So, as a general rule, where you live women sleep with men on a first date or so??
somedude81 Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 So Im guessing youve never viewed them as sexual creatures:confused: Sorry, couldnt resist:p Exactly. I wasn't. There is some mental blockage that makes it difficult for me. It's something that I am working on.
jobaba Posted February 2, 2012 Posted February 2, 2012 (edited) But the general rule is that women are usually sexually attracted to a man (and, thus, willing to take it further) once the man has shown he actually cares about her as a being (personality, emotions etc). :lmao: So, as a general rule, where you live women sleep with men on a first date or so?? Where I have lived (NY, NJ, PA, CA), women will sleep with a man who they are sexually attracted to and/or is able to create some kind of emotional attraction in them in a span of <20 hours together. Him treating her well and caring about her as a person will only have a bearing on if she will STAY with him. And in some cases, he can treat her like sh*t, and she will stay anyway. The guy who 'gets to know her' over a period of time, treats her as a person instead of a piece of a@@ and lets his attraction gradually grow based on her inner qualities, but can't create the above doesn't have a prayer. Yes, there are women who are not like this. But they are the exception. The above is the 'general rule' as you say... Edited February 2, 2012 by jobaba
Author Ross MwcFan Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 Big mistake. It takes some practice to find a happy in-between. If you're not interacting or not generating any heat while interacting with females, success will be drastically reduced. Exactly, and this is what would happen if you didn't view women in a sexual way. You wouldn't act any different than a friend on a date. I can't see that just viewing the woman as a sexual being (as in, she has sexual desires) would help at all.
Author Ross MwcFan Posted February 2, 2012 Author Posted February 2, 2012 C'mon Ross, you're smarter than this. 'Sex object' means that the woman is no longer a person, she is just a receptacle for sex, nothing else matters. 'Sexual being' means that the woman, like a man, has sexual desires of her own that you are trying to arouse, and vice versa. I know that's what sexual being/creature usually means, but I think somedude ment it in the other way, I quoted him to agree with him, and just used the same phrase, sexual creature, in the same way.
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