A O Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 ^ ^ ^ Yes, 'serious stuff' that many a dumb-arse man knows only too well. .
snug.bunny Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 ah, no, what's "serious stuff" is marrying a penis & then being stuck supporting it to the tune of $2,750 per month plus add on's for the rest of your ilfe. Thanks but I'll rent my pricks from here on out. If Woggle wasn't married, you two would be perfect together!
soserious1 Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 ^ ^ ^ Yes, 'serious stuff' that many a dumb-arse man knows only too well. . well this dumb arsed woman has learned her lesson,it's pump & dump all the way for this gal, what's funny is the sex is MUCH better than it ever was when I was a faithful, supportive, stupid lil' wifey.
soserious1 Posted January 22, 2012 Posted January 22, 2012 If Woggle wasn't married, you two would be perfect together! LOL,no we wouldn't as I'm not interested in any sort of an ongoing relationship, no matter who the man is. No offense to Woggle.
Author musemaj11 Posted January 22, 2012 Author Posted January 22, 2012 (edited) Would you like me to make you a nice juicy t-bone steak with some eggs? Yes, please. Believe me, I got a lot crap from people who said I should be out working since I had a college degree. When I said feminism is about choice, I meant on BOTH sides. It's a choice to stay home and be more "traditional," as well a choice about working outside the home. Fact on the ground remains that a man who wants to be a stay at home spouse needs a lot of luck getting acceptance from society let alone finding a woman who will actually not mind supporting a stay at home husband in the first place. The truth is that male emancipation has not progressed as quickly as female emancipation. Men today are still a lot more confined to traditional standards than women. Re 'Third World' countries. I've een to a few with my profession and previously in the military. They vary considerable. However, my observatioin is that many men love and treat their wives and daughters with respect. Those who don't hide behind some cultural standard or religious dictate. Abuse is abuse and direspect is disrespect...first world or third world. In third world countries, a woman waiting hand and foot on her husband is not deemed as something demeaning. Its seen in the same light as a mother who cares for her children. Its love, not servitude. Women here actually take pride in taking care of their men the same way men take pride in providing for their women. In America on the other hand, most women still expect men to fill the financial burden carrier role and other traditional expectations while at the same time refusing to accept their own traditional responsibilities. Edited January 22, 2012 by musemaj11
Woggle Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I also respect honest and upfront misandry rather than the subtle contempt I so often run into.
Feelsgoodman Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 When I said feminism is about choice, I meant on BOTH sides. It's a choice to stay home and be more "traditional," as well a choice about working outside the home. Except feminism is not about choice. And it's not even about equal rights and opportunities for women. Saying that feminism is about women's rights is like saying that Nazism was about restoring a sense of pride to the German people. Sure, there was that aspect to it, but it was just an excuse. The ultimate objectives of both movements were far more sinister. The end goal of feminism is and always was to destroy the existing social order. It all started with the suffragettes movement and continued with the "second and third wave" feminism. Only one hundred years ago, the Western nations were indisputable rulers of the world. Today, the Western civilization is on the verge of collapse, with free-falling birth rates (requiring massive immigration from non-western nations to compensate for negative natural growth), widespread economic decline, pervasive immorality and disappearance of the family structure. The biggest trick that the feminists played on both men and women is convincing us that a woman's life was hell on earth until the feminist movement rescued her from the clutches of male oppression. Have you ever had the misfortune of taking a class with a feminist professor in college? They just love talking about all that terrible, grizzly stuff that women were systematically subjected to (or so they claim) by the "patriarchy" since time immemorial. They seem to have a particular fetish for the topics of wife-beating and rape. It doesn't matter whether you are studying economics, law, history or geography....if it happens to be taught by a feminist prof, she will always find a way to make it about wife-beating and rape. Having two university degrees, I think I can safely put on my resume that I minored in Wife-Beating and Rape Studies. And the feminists' use of brainwashing and propaganda would make Joseph Goebbels green with envy. Remember Yoko Ono's infamous and absurdly named song "Woman is the N*gger of the World" (performed by her d*ckless hubby John Lennon)? She's basically saying that privileged, middle class white women living in the 60s had it as bad as the African slaves in the pre-Civil War era. Totally ridiculous comparison, yet the song has become a feminist anthem. And what about straight up fabrication of historical facts (such the so-called "rule of thumb", which in reality never existed) and using arcane language and vague concepts like "patriarchy" and "glass ceiling" to paint a picture of some abstract, mythological masculine force hell bent on dominating and suppressing the female sex? At its core, feminism is an ideology of hate...Hate of everything masculine and ultimately hate of men themselves.
RecordProducer Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 "What do F do American women do that make them think they deserve to demand a man to be a gentleman?!?" It's not what women do, but what men do: there are men who will be gentlemen and those who won't. It's up to you to decide in which category you want to belong - and it's up to us to decide which category of men we prefer.
Woggle Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 It's not what women do, but what men do: there are men who will be gentlemen and those who won't. It's up to you to decide in which category you want to belong - and it's up to us to decide which category of men we prefer. What exactly is a woman's part of the bargain in this arrangement?
Author musemaj11 Posted January 23, 2012 Author Posted January 23, 2012 When put like this you are correct. But that's on you because there actually are women who do this depending on whether the man is worth putting in the effort for. You want this, then you can easily get this - but you need to prove yourself worthy! . Im not going to pay for a service if there is no guarantee that I will actually get the service so to speak. I have been scammed enough in my life. It's not what women do, but what men do: there are men who will be gentlemen and those who won't. It's up to you to decide in which category you want to belong - and it's up to us to decide which category of men we prefer. I think you are right. I guess thats the difference between people with integrity and people without. Unlike people with integrity, people who lack of it have no problem taking everything they can take without having the slightest disturbance in their conscience. Often I felt so angry at women that I wanted to let them taste their own medicine when I was given the opportunity. But everytime I couldnt do it. Im just incapable of being selfish.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 What exactly is a woman's part of the bargain in this arrangement? It is NOT a bargain or any kind of competition. A person needs to be true to themselves. If a man believes in being kind, respectful, etc. he is not going to be okay with becoming a rude and maybe even abusive jerk because he is faced with a horrid woman. I would hope that such a man would try to avoid entanglements with people who would be a negative influence on the quality of his life, as much as possible. Reverse genders, same deal. Honestly. Don't almost all of us admire people the very most who are able to maintain their own core values and standards of behavior regardless of those exhibited by other people? Don't we agree that it shows great strength of character? I sure do, and I strive for that.
Woggle Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 It is NOT a bargain or any kind of competition. A person needs to be true to themselves. If a man believes in being kind, respectful, etc. he is not going to be okay with becoming a rude and maybe even abusive jerk because he is faced with a horrid woman. I would hope that such a man would try to avoid entanglements with people who would be a negative influence on the quality of his life, as much as possible. Reverse genders, same deal. Honestly. Don't almost all of us admire people the very most who are able to maintain their own core values and standards of behavior regardless of those exhibited by other people? Don't we agree that it shows great strength of character? I sure do, and I strive for that. I never said a man should be abusive but if a woman treats him like crap I see no reason for him to give her the gentlemen treatment. I very much live by my values and one of my core values is not being a doormat.
Alma Mobley Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Define 'gentleman' and 'lady', then I will answer.
Alma Mobley Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 Thanks for linking that. I could relate having also lost a pet who was also a dear friend.
colliejoanie Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I act the same regardless. I don't let someone else's poor behavior dictate my own behavior. I'm responsible for the way I act and the things I say. I'm not 'reacting' and giving up control to someone who is rude, abusive, or whatever. If a woman was to swear at me, I'd still open the door for her and say 'after you'. The irony is that keeping one's standards consistent regardless of situation is a much more powerful statement to a rude person than 'reacting' to them. Love this. I wish more people could be like this. Myself included.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 I never said a man should be abusive but if a woman treats him like crap I see no reason for him to give her the gentlemen treatment. I very much live by my values and one of my core values is not being a doormat. If a person needs to be "waited on hand n foot" in order to be kind, polite, respectful, etc., then I am happy to not know that person. That's all about "give to get," which seems to be the modus operandi for a lot of people who post here regularly. And being a "gentleperson" has NOTHING whatsoever to do with being a doormat. I don't wait on my husband "hand n foot." In spite of that, he treats me like he values me greatly, because he does. Also, he was raised well and IS a gentleman, even if I'm not waiting on him. I bet he'd still be a gentleman if I was a bitch (which of course, I am never ) What's the problem with avoiding people who treat you or others badly rather than making it a lifelong project to stoop to their level?
Woggle Posted January 23, 2012 Posted January 23, 2012 When I am nice to a woman that is mean to me I feel like such a doormat. I would never be abusive but in most cases I just don't deal with her. I get up and walk away.
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