Is it best for Average people to Date Average people and give up their dreams?

January 17, 2012

Women can be transparent..went to a lounge for a buddys birthday with a friend of mine who women love..

When he was intorudced to the women who were friends of friends they had a huge smile on their face and looked happy as hell when i was intorduced it was such a unfriendly look and half a handshake:lmao:

Yea. Unfortunately that happens. That happened to me when I used to go to parties and clubs too (mostly in my 20s).

Just stop hanging out with those kinds of people.

January 17, 2012

I don't shake hands with women, but I know exactly where you're coming from. My friend is a very good looking guy that women love, when they greet him its the same exact way, huge smiles and very affectionate.

Then when it's my turn to greet them, let's just say that even if a girl doesn't outright say what she's thinking, for some reason its emitting out of their pores. No smile , no warmth, nothing.

That is why I beat them to it and don't acknowledge women I don't know or a friend only knows at all.

I was introduced so i had no choice it was just hilllarious to see..Funny part is my friend uses women,has married women willing to be with him all the time..when he was married theyre were women happy being his #2 women knowign he was married..

They say men think with their penis but women imo are even more driven by their hormones..good looking guys have it so easy..women will do anyhting just to be a part of their world even if theyre just one of many women..

January 17, 2012

Wow, I just read over xpaperxcut's thread and I'm just floored about the difference between men and women.

People over there are talking about filters and how to limit themselves to absolutely amazing men, and over here, men are being told to go with a woman that might not be attracted to at all, and that she might grow on you.

Then I'm being accused of only liking a girl because she was pretty and that I didn't care about her at all. Which I've heard before from several other girls.

Ugh I quit. Who do I talk to get my life restarted and get born as a woman?

January 17, 2012

What I do in situations like that, where someone introduces me to a girl that puts on the bitch face and half assedly stretches her hand out to me, is I just say "sorry I don't shake hands with women, I don't know where you've been" and ignore them if they stick around.

Women have the right to feel superior to me and hence undeserving of their glorious presence because im not their "type", but I also have a right to feel superior to them for being made in the image of God while they'll always be our second fiddle (Male power!).

great job..I try to be the "bigger person" but sometimes you want to tell these vapid people to go f themselves

January 17, 2012

"Bigger person?" I used to feel that way, that women are just mentally children and going down to their level or getting hurt by their behavior is pointless. But after dealing with enough bull**** to fill Yankee stadium, I've become an avid male feminist and support full equality : an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. Meekness is weakness, if youre not going to score with these bitches anyway, might as well bring their self esteem down with you.

IF all fails, use this secret weapon: "shutup, you need to lose weight". It's the kryptonite of all women, even the skinny ones

Im at that point of going off on some of them especially the ones who have no business being stuck up and full of themselves but got their ego inflated from hot guys online trying to get an easy pump and dump from an average looking girl..

Always love this clip of Joe Rogan goign off on a female heckler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU_3b2_33vI

January 17, 2012

Too many people (Somedude?) go for looks before any other quality.

Have you ever tried to really get to know a woman you weren't physically blown away by at first and found you really liked her and had a lot in common? Forming a mental and emotional connection with a person often makes them much more attractive. I'm not suggesting anyone date someone they find repulsive, but you'd be surprised how attractive a person becomes when you really care about them.

I'm glad you put a question mark next to SD's name.

It saves the sentence from being wholly inaccurate.

Last year, before knowing him well, I used to goad Somedude into dating (screwing) any hottie he could get his fur-lined mits on.

It was my contention he just needed to live a little, lighten up, have some much needed fun.

But he resisted.

That kind of thing is unsatisfying to him.

He's always sought a genuine connection with a woman, something meaningful.

And in terms of looks, he's always struck me as having very realistic expectations for a partner.

His girl needn't be the most gorgeous, the most stacked, the most of any most.

Instead, he asks she share common interests, have a healthy body, and a face he finds appealing.

His last crush had these things.

And while she was average, in his eyes, she was incredibly beautiful and the most desirable thing in the world.

I pass all this along to you, Iris, to give you a better sense of Somedude as I know him.

He's not a superficial beast.

Like I said, I'm sure all men would prefer someone who was physically attractive, but if that is not possible or likely because the man himself is either not attractive or has other negative aspects that is preventing him from finding a more attractive woman, he should consider giving the fatter/plainer women a chance, since they may have other very good qualities, and it sure beats being alone and lonely/unloved/unwanted.

...........Yeah, no way. You have to be kidding!

I'm sure the "fatter/plainer" woman would be thrilled to know she's been chosen to keep a man from being lonely.

You've said yourself that you don't try to befriend women you aren't attracted to. My point was that sometimes attraction grows, but are you really giving this a chance to happen?

Here's what I remember about your last crush: you saying things like she didn't like the gym or dancing, two things you enjoy, and she wasn't even willing to try these things. What exactly did you two have in common? And what made her fun to be around? You said how weird she was about things like hugging. How often did she ask you to hang out? It sounded like she threw you breadcrumbs every now and then. What's fun about that?

My theory: You stuck around because she was cute and she gave you some attention. Because of this, you convinced yourself she was fun and you had lots in common. Maybe try it the other way sometime. Let the attraction form with someone who is genuinely fun, compatible with you, and actually likes you.

Jezus. What's with people? That's pretty mean, Iris.

Edited January 17, 2012 by cerridwen

January 17, 2012

I'm glad you put a question mark next to SD's name.
It saves the sentence from being wholly inaccurate.

Last year, before knowing him well, I used to goad Somedude into dating (screwing) any hottie he could get his fur-lined mits on.

It was my contention he just needed to live a little, lighten up, have some much needed fun.
But he resisted.
That kind of thing is unsatisfying to him.
He's always sought a genuine connection with a woman, something meaningful.

And in terms of looks, he's always struck me as having very realistic expectations for a partner.
His girl needn't be the most gorgeous, the most stacked, the most of any most.
Instead, he asks she share common interests, have a healthy body, and a face he finds appealing.
His last crush had these things.
And while she was average, in his eyes, she was incredibly beautiful and the most desirable thing in the world.

I pass all this along to you, Iris, to give you a better sense of Somedude as I know him.
He's not a superficial beast.

You know they say a woman knows in the first few seconds if she will have sexual intercourse with a man. With Somedude I think it took you a little longer. I really enjoyed the way you came to defense of the future father of your unborn children. We should all be so lucky as to find a woman like you Cer!

...........Yeah' date=' no way. You [i']have[/i] to be kidding!

I'm sure the "fatter/plainer" woman would be thrilled to know she's been chosen to keep a man from being lonely.

I think they just need to go after women. The lost people of Brigadoon apears more frequently then these guys have asked out women.

Jezus. What's with people? That's pretty mean' date=' Iris. [/quote']

Does that mean she probably looks great naked?

January 17, 2012

You know they say a woman knows in the first few seconds if she will have sexual intercourse with a man. With Somedude I think it took you a little longer. I really enjoyed the way you came to defense of the future father of your unborn children. We should all be so lucky as to find a woman like you Cer!

Maniac.

You guys have been talking about my fertility too much.

But I suppose that's what I get for yelling that I'm ovulating.

Does that mean she probably looks great naked?

Probably.

I bet she's really quite beautiful.

January 17, 2012

Maniac.

You guys have been talking about my fertility too much.
But I suppose that's what I get for yelling that I'm ovulating.

Well then Somedude better hurry on over. Before Newdirrec attacks!

January 17, 2012

Well then Somedude better hurry on over. Before Newdirrec attacks!

She's been sharpening her penis all day.

January 17, 2012

There is no such thing as an Average person.

Enjoy your dreams, and turn what you can into reality. It's great adventure to have loved and lost. Only shame is in the life unlived! Nost stop judging yourself and get in their and creep some babes out!

She's been sharpening her penis all day.

Haha!

January 17, 2012

I love it when women talk about this acting like women don't do it just as much.

Just scroll through Craigslist "Women 4 Men" section if you want to see what I'm talking about. "Me: 4'9 , obese polynesian pygmy that walks on 4 legs and is HIV positive. You: 9 inch penis at the least, 6 pack abs, must look like Scandanavian male model, no MIDGETS (Ie, men under 6'0), must be from the state of Delaware (sorry just my type)" .

Women if anything are worse about this. Most men know to cut their losses by their 30's and 40's, women will often choose to be alone over dating someone whose not their "type".

I happen to know several women who settled when they got to be late 20s or beyond, and they married men who they would not have been interested in when younger. I also know women who are beautiful, but dated or married a man who was just average in looks but had other things going for him, like a great personality.

January 17, 2012

I agree with you, but the other qualities should be there. And those qualities should make her more attractive. If Somedude meets a woman who is 5'3" 145 and she has the other stuff going on, I think he should move on it. It is important for him to get some experience too, since the older he gets and has never had anybody, the more it's going to be a red flag.

Interestingly enough, I've never had to date someone I wasn't physically attracted to. I've been shot down by women I've found physically unattractive when I was either drunk and trying to just play numbers or like them in other ways.

Yep, I think he's missing out on what could be an amazing relationship by excluding women who may be on the fatter side. I know a man who married a woman who is that size (5'2", 145), and she is a wonderful wife. She's intelligent, kind, caring, great sense of humor, and a wonderful cook. The guy is tall and slender, but he was attracted to her personality and other qualities. I wouldn't recommend dating someone with the attitude that he'll just move on when something better comes along, but to date them with an open mind that they could have long term potential.

January 17, 2012

Yep, I think he's missing out on what could be an amazing relationship by excluding women who may be on the fatter side. I know a man who married a woman who is that size (5'2", 145), and she is a wonderful wife. She's intelligent, kind, caring, great sense of humor, and a wonderful cook. The guy is tall and slender, but he was attracted to her personality and other qualities. I wouldn't recommend dating someone with the attitude that he'll just move on when something better comes along, but to date them with an open mind that they could have long term potential.

The thing is he doesn't get horny for women. He's only horny for porn.

Nature on it's own should have diluded him into thinking he's looking at a super model when he sees a fat women. He should be really hungry for a real women... but he isn't.

January 17, 2012

...........Yeah, no way. You have to be kidding!

I'm sure the "fatter/plainer" woman would be thrilled to know she's been chosen to keep a man from being lonely.

Jezus. What's with people? That's pretty mean, Iris.

Nope, not kidding. I don't think women who have more limited options are deluding themselves to think men are not settling in order to have companionship. They're also not deluding themselves to think that men might rather have a more attractive woman.

January 17, 2012

The thing is he doesn't get horny for women. He's only horny for porn.

Nature on it's own should have diluded him into thinking he's looking at a super model when he sees a fat women. He should be really hungry for a real women... but he isn't.

That's too bad. He's missing out on living life with a real woman who would have a lot to offer, but instead he's wasting it on porn.

January 17, 2012

5'2 and 145 isn't obese, but it's pretty chubby. I wouldn't rule out a girl like that off the bat if she carried it well, but this is pretty hypocritical.

Imagine if I ran around telling women to date guys their height or shorter, because there's lots of gems in this demographic that women will forever miss out on. But guess what the reaction would be? "IT'S. NOT . MY . TYYYYPPPPPE. ID RATHER CHOP MY CLITORIS OFF THAN SETTLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YUCK :sick:"

Just lose the damn weight. Be grateful that even if you're one of those people claiming "Fat genetics", you can still lose weight albeit have more difficulty doing it.

I just think it makes sense to have realistic expectations from the start and not be holding out for that beauty or that hunk while ignoring those that would have a lot to offer other than good looks. I think people that hold out for something that is not realistically attainable actually shoot themselves in the foot, because by the time they realize that they had better be more realistic, their dating pool is lowered because of age.

January 17, 2012

Porn is vile, but much more fun than dealing with women and getting nowhere.

Sit home and jack off is the best advice a man can get on this forum. Stop trying to put the square peg into the circle (IE, interacting with females) and do things that are actually fun, instead of blowing countless money and time going out to meet women and coming home empty handed every time.

Who the hell can blame him.

You're on the path to being a Somedude then... well on the path.

Stop with the porn and get horny for the real thing again!

January 17, 2012

Porn is vile, but much more fun than dealing with women and getting nowhere.

Sit home and jack off is the best advice a man can get on this forum. Stop trying to put the square peg into the circle (IE, interacting with females) and do things that are actually fun, instead of blowing countless money and time going out to meet women and coming home empty handed every time.

Who the hell can blame him.

Dealing with lack of success with dating by turning away from it and turning to porn is not going to get him what he wants. He has to recognize why he's been unsuccessful at it, and learn from that, and change his approach or his mindset.

January 17, 2012

Dealing with lack of success with dating by turning away from it and turning to porn is not going to get him what he wants. He has to recognize why he's been unsuccessful at it, and learn from that, and change his approach or his mindset.

You're a girl so you can't fully understand the dark place these guys have gone. Let me tell you if they just followed common sense they'd be fine. It's a dark time for them. They are their own worst enemy.

It's almost the male equivelent of becoming the girl with one too many cats... It would be arguably worse if they started getting cats though!

January 17, 2012

Some people just get it. It falls in their laps. They like the opposite sex, they get on with them, and life throws then good dice. They can be ugly as sin (and twice as fun), or bronzed Adonis's or statuesque beauties with charisma to match. But even the beautiful people have challenges to face. The hot chick will be tempted by a coterie of admirers, just waiting in the wings for a moment of emotional vulnerability to step in and make things complicated. The great guy, the same, and both will be despised by some people too.

Overall, love is exciting, tiring, inspiring, frustrating. It rarely happens easily and it requires courage. Courage derives from the French for heart - "cour", and means being wholehearted. To be wholehearted means to be open. Open to good things but also bad things, things that hurt. Things that hurt like Hell. It's no wonder that we all choose to not be wholehearted from time to time. It takes a lot of energy but it also can create a lot of energy too.

There's been a lot of harsh comments on this thread directed at people who aren't looking for anything except to find love. Life's too short for all this fussing and fighting, and there's much more fun things to be directing that energy and effort at. Things that will make your life, and others', better. And if you're in a foul mood, be in a foul mood. Let if flow. Other people are hardly ever half as interesting as yourself.

January 17, 2012

Damn, cerri

Yep, I think he's missing out on what could be an amazing relationship by excluding women who may be on the fatter side. I know a man who married a woman who is that size (5'2", 145), and she is a wonderful wife. She's intelligent, kind, caring, great sense of humor, and a wonderful cook. The guy is tall and slender, but he was attracted to her personality and other qualities. I wouldn't recommend dating someone with the attitude that he'll just move on when something better comes along, but to date them with an open mind that they could have long term potential.

I'm not saying that woman like that can't be a great wife. But the physical just isn't there for me. Would a woman truly be happy in a relationship where she knows her man is not attracted whatsoever. I can't even imagine what the sex would be like. Actually I can, there wouldn't be any. It sounds like a horrible thing to put a woman through.

The thing is he doesn't get horny for women. He's only horny for porn.

Nature on it's own should have diluded him into thinking he's looking at a super model when he sees a fat women. He should be really hungry for a real women... but he isn't.

Sadly there is actually a little truth to Dust's post. No it's not the porn part.

My sexual experiences and a general complete lack of experience has messed up how I see women. I could go into a lot more detail but there isn't a need for this thread.

BTW, I asked out a girl a few days ago. And while she said no, I'm going to try again later as I don't thinks she knew I was being serious.

5'2 and 145 isn't obese, but it's pretty chubby. I wouldn't rule out a girl like that off the bat if she carried it well, but this is pretty hypocritical.

Imagine if I ran around telling women to date guys their height or shorter, because there's lots of gems in this demographic that women will forever miss out on. But guess what the reaction would be? "IT'S. NOT . MY . TYYYYPPPPPE. ID RATHER CHOP MY CLITORIS OFF THAN SETTLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT YUCK :sick:"

Just lose the damn weight. Be grateful that even if you're one of those people claiming "Fat genetics", you can still lose weight albeit have more difficulty doing it.

My thoughts exactly.

January 17, 2012

That's case by case for guys. The only women who can give me a hard on while thinking about them are women who I have emotional attachment to. Not even thinking about Kim Kardashian naked could do that for me.

Hard to believe, but you're probably right. I guess some men just have higher amounts of estrogen flowing through their system than others.

January 17, 2012

I think it is likely that a man can find a woman he is at least moderately attracted to physically, without forgoing other attributes essential to fulfilling relationship between the two. I have found many women who are bigger or perhaps considered plain to be very attractive from my point of view.

I think it is very easy to at least find someone moderately attractive, the key is being able to attract them at the end of the day, which I don't think is beyond most men or women.

Your assumption requires that most men be average or above average, which statistically makes no sense. Go to Wal-Mart at about 2am, 10am, or 2:30pm and look at the guys there. Most likely close to half of them will fall into the below average category that will have more trouble than you're alluding to.

January 17, 2012

Just cause i like decently pretty girls(which includes what you would call Average since most women who are slim and take care of themself are pretty) .

It's bad that i want a decently beautiful and healthy woman???

You gave yourself a 1 on a scale of 1 to 10, which if true speaks for itself. Was that a typo?

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