Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Like it or not, you have the attitude ... if not the execution in real life. Your exchange with ditzchic was classic PUA. You basically insulted her taste in men AND the man she's seeing ... yet she thought it was hilarious. Go look it up man. Oh, and BTW, it was a compliment to you. Oh, well I appreciate this compliment if it is so. I tried to get into the PUA stuff years ago and just found it to be way out of my character. I dislike small talk. I dislike high 5's. I dislike dressing like it's Halloween. In fact, I dislike the whole concept of needing to study a complex, indepth science to be attractive to the run of the mill western woman, they don't deserve that much effort even if it is necessary. Perhaps it's not some game I'm playing with her, instead some advice/something to reflect on. Maybe the type of personality that spends 200 dollars on jeans or 80 dollars on a haircut, is also the type that will ditch you for the Beer Olympics. But no, that's not "nice" or "tolerant". "Nice" and "tolerant" nowadays means not pointing out the obvious because someone might get offended .
Anela Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Like it or not, you have the attitude ... if not the execution in real life. Your exchange with ditzchic was classic PUA. You basically insulted her taste in men AND the man she's seeing ... yet she thought it was hilarious. Go look it up man. Oh, and BTW, it was a compliment to you. That's what I was just going to add. They could use him as an example in their workshops. Insult a woman who's used to being plied with positive attention, and some of them will respond in a flirtatious manner. You surprise them.
ThaWholigan Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Oh, well I appreciate this compliment if it is so. I tried to get into the PUA stuff years ago and just found it to be way out of my character. I dislike small talk. I dislike high 5's. I dislike dressing like it's Halloween. In fact, I dislike the whole concept of needing to study a complex, indepth science to be attractive to the run of the mill western woman, they don't deserve that much effort even if it is necessary. Perhaps it's not some game I'm playing with her, instead some advice/something to reflect on. Maybe the type of personality that spends 200 dollars on jeans or 80 dollars on a haircut, is also the type that will ditch you for the Beer Olympics. But no, that's not "nice" or "tolerant". "Nice" and "tolerant" nowadays means not pointing out the obvious because someone might get offended . I think PUA did start off a little extreme, but I think the popularity of Mystery did a lot to add to that. There are techniques that I read in some of Carlos Xuma's work that helped me with conversations with women, that had nothing to do with negging or anything of the sort. Ways where you can talk the way you do, but with an augmented style rather than a changed one. I guess it's different for me, I just like women, I'm not ignorant of their [individual] flaws but I am not bothered so much by them, so I have no problem reading up on stuff that will help me be better at attracting them. I'm no PUA either, I think the clownish aspect is poor, but I like the material, it's entertaining and it's not all to my liking but a significant portion of it was very useful to me. Your last paragraph was interesting. I think you are right about that, and I think perhaps the cutting nature of your remarks will always be divisive, a product of an intense personality I am guessing? I tend to always be tactful with what I say, some would say it's manipulative though. I would disagree, as many-a-time I am always honest with my words regardless of my tact.
Author ditzchic Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 I know the type . Does your prince charming also scream out random borat/charlie sheen lines too? [/Quote] Oh yeah. As well as Nick Manning quotes and quotes from any Will Ferrel/David Spade movie. Don't judge. The heart wants what it wants. Are you kidding me? Nothing makes me cringe more than the PUA's I see on campus or at the bar, making dumb comments about a girls shoes then giving her a high five. I stopped giving high fives about the same time I stopped smoking pot (approximately age 17) and I don't care about your shoes (as long as they're not crocs) . **** PUA's . Good to hear. Most girls can see that stuff coming a mile away. Some "techniques" might get your foot in the door but after that your effed. You can only act like a douchebag for so long before we get fed up and decide to go look for the next douchebag that we hope really isn't a douchebag but we know deep down he probably will be. Or we'll realize you're playing a part because you're insecure but you have every right to be because your actual personality really does suck.
Star Gazer Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Umm, having participated in two different Beer Olympics for YEARS... there's no "training" necessary. I can't believe he actually used that as an excuse!
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I think PUA did start off a little extreme, but I think the popularity of Mystery did a lot to add to that. There are techniques that I read in some of Carlos Xuma's work that helped me with conversations with women, that had nothing to do with negging or anything of the sort. Ways where you can talk the way you do, but with an augmented style rather than a changed one. I guess it's different for me, I just like women, I'm not ignorant of their [individual] flaws but I am not bothered so much by them, so I have no problem reading up on stuff that will help me be better at attracting them. I'm no PUA either, I think the clownish aspect is poor, but I like the material, it's entertaining and it's not all to my liking but a significant portion of it was very useful to me. Your last paragraph was interesting. I think you are right about that, and I think perhaps the cutting nature of your remarks will always be divisive, a product of an intense personality I am guessing? I tend to always be tactful with what I say, some would say it's manipulative though. I would disagree, as many-a-time I am always honest with my words regardless of my tact. All I can say is that most PUA's I've seen around and on youtube aren't people I would want to be friends with in real life. But then again, I can say that about most of the "types" of "men" most women drool over, the exponential factor of being a moron is just way too high. They're for the most part con artists /used car salesmen , profitting off the loneliness of some unfortunate guys that have been screwed over by this anti-nature system. They tend to act all smug, always have their guard up only to reveal what they are guarding so tightly: a 1 dimensional personality that revolves solely around what other people think (even if they say the opposite). There's something utterly pathetic about a man who makes getting women the center of his life, much more pathetic than a 30 year old virgin. Frankly, the former outnumbers the latter.
Anela Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I think PUA did start off a little extreme, but I think the popularity of Mystery did a lot to add to that. There are techniques that I read in some of Carlos Xuma's work that helped me with conversations with women, that had nothing to do with negging or anything of the sort. Ways where you can talk the way you do, but with an augmented style rather than a changed one. I guess it's different for me, I just like women, I'm not ignorant of their [individual] flaws but I am not bothered so much by them, so I have no problem reading up on stuff that will help me be better at attracting them. I'm no PUA either, I think the clownish aspect is poor, but I like the material, it's entertaining and it's not all to my liking but a significant portion of it was very useful to me. Your last paragraph was interesting. I think you are right about that, and I think perhaps the cutting nature of your remarks will always be divisive, a product of an intense personality I am guessing? I tend to always be tactful with what I say, some would say it's manipulative though. I would disagree, as many-a-time I am always honest with my words regardless of my tact. I like you, going by your posts, and hope that you get what you're looking for. Wolf said above that he might be trying to be helpful, but he doesn't sound like that - he just sounds abrasive, and spends the majority of his time putting women down - and then he sounds surprised when nobody sees that he might be trying to be helpful. I think his attitude sucks, but then I know that mine has sucked as well, and I know how I feel when I'm responding that way.
Anela Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 All I can say is that most PUA's I've seen around and on youtube aren't people I would want to be friends with in real life. But then again, I can say that about most of the "types" of "men" most women drool over, the exponential factor of being a moron is just way too high. They're for the most part con artists /used car salesmen , profitting off the loneliness of some unfortunate guys that have been screwed over by this anti-nature system. They tend to act all smug, always have their guard up only to reveal what they are guarding so tightly: a 1 dimensional personality that revolves solely around what other people think (even if they say the opposite). There's something utterly pathetic about a man who makes getting women the center of his life, much more pathetic than a 30 year old virgin. Frankly, the former outnumbers the latter. And this I would agree with..
ThaWholigan Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I like you, going by your posts, and hope that you get what you're looking for. Wolf said above that he might be trying to be helpful, but he doesn't sound like that - he just sounds abrasive, and spends the majority of his time putting women down - and then he sounds surprised when nobody sees that he might be trying to be helpful. I think his attitude sucks, but then I know that mine has sucked as well, and I know how I feel when I'm responding that way. 1st of all, thank you 2nd, I think he's jaded, although he is a little too young to be. He's been on both sides of the spectrum so he rages at the superficiality of it all, but he's still pretty young (as am I) and gradually he will learn to refine his intensity and add to his character more. My little brother is the same, very intense, I always tease him and say he has short man syndrome . One of my other little brothers who is around the same age is also a highly intense person with anger problems. I always tell them to calm down, and they're always telling me not to be so passive, so there is stuff we can all learn from each other. In time, Wolf will likely augment his nature to his benefit as well as those around him. All I can say is that most PUA's I've seen around and on youtube aren't people I would want to be friends with in real life. But then again, I can say that about most of the "types" of "men" most women drool over, the exponential factor of being a moron is just way too high. They're for the most part con artists /used car salesmen , profitting off the loneliness of some unfortunate guys that have been screwed over by this anti-nature system. They tend to act all smug, always have their guard up only to reveal what they are guarding so tightly: a 1 dimensional personality that revolves solely around what other people think (even if they say the opposite). There's something utterly pathetic about a man who makes getting women the center of his life, much more pathetic than a 30 year old virgin. Frankly, the former outnumbers the latter. And thus is the myth of the PUA. A lot of them don't actually get laid. Depending on the material they read. There seems to be factions. There's some that read Vin Di Carlo, some that read Ross Jeffries etc. They get stuck in the superficial stuff, the bait clothes, the stupid pick-up lines and opinion openers, the negs etc. No idea on proper escalation or just conversing and having fun. Me personally, I like Carlos Xuma, and recently I read Tao Of Badass by Joshua Pellicier, really good and absolutely nothing about peacocking or negging or world revolving around attracting women. Xuma's principles are also the same, living a life that isn't just about attracting women, but about living the "Alpha Lifestyle", ambition, career, sorting finance, refining your character, doing masculine stuff, and of course, conversational skills. Great stuff.
dasein Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 that would ruin that little front faux hawk thing they do with the gel, You just triggered an acid reflux attack and I don't have acid reflux. OK, seriously, elaborating on what wolf has said, just how good looking/tall/wealthy is this guy for you to be even REMOTELY considering continuing with a 29 y.o. man who cancels an established date with you to play beerpong with his fraternity brothers? Please consider dumping and moving on. Good luck.
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 You just triggered an acid reflux attack and I don't have acid reflux. OK, seriously, elaborating on what wolf has said, just how good looking/tall/wealthy is this guy for you to be even REMOTELY considering continuing with a 29 y.o. man who cancels an established date with you to play beerpong with his fraternity brothers? Please consider dumping and moving on. Good luck. Yes, it shows the difference between men and women. If a 30 year old woman ditched me for something that idiotic I would throw her to the curb, don't care how hot she is. I suppose the sans-faux hawk will be around to cuddle with ditzychick and make it all better while Mr Women is passed out in his Toga next to a strange woman in a puddle of his own puke and piss , so no worries. Ugh why is dating so hard for womennnnn
Anela Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes, it shows the difference between men and women. If a 30 year old woman ditched me for something that idiotic I would throw her to the curb, don't care how hot she is. I suppose the sans-faux hawk will be around to cuddle with ditzychick and make it all better while Mr Women is passed out in his Toga next to a strange woman in a puddle of his own puke and piss , so no worries. Ugh why is dating so hard for womennnnn Oh, for heaven's sake. You act as though this goes for all women, when it DOESN'T.
Author ditzchic Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 You just triggered an acid reflux attack and I don't have acid reflux. OK, seriously, elaborating on what wolf has said, just how good looking/tall/wealthy is this guy for you to be even REMOTELY considering continuing with a 29 y.o. man who cancels an established date with you to play beerpong with his fraternity brothers? Please consider dumping and moving on. Good luck. I am dumping him!! That's already been established! And just for the record, this guy isn't tall. He's 5'7.
dasein Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Yes, it shows the difference between men and women. If a 30 year old woman ditched me for something that idiotic I would throw her to the curb, don't care how hot she is. I'd like to be able to agree here, but have made the above mistake, looking the other way due to ridiculous hotness, at least four times in life, and would like to say I wouldn't do it again assuredly, but can't. It just takes several smacks in the face to get us to wake up sometimes. So *smacksmack* ditzchick.
dasein Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I am dumping him!! That's already been established! And just for the record, this guy isn't tall. He's 5'7. Oh sorry I missed it, good for you!
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Oh, for heaven's sake. You act as though this goes for all women, when it DOESN'T. I've yet to see anything different. I've been on both sides of the fence so I know what the story is (though I wish I didn't). I am dumping him!! That's already been established! And just for the record, this guy isn't tall. He's 5'7. [/Quote] Hey Somedude you reading this? All you need to do is eat some paint chips, join a frat, and some women might be able overlook your height
ThaWholigan Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I've yet to see anything different. I've been on both sides of the fence so I know what the story is (though I wish I didn't). In London, a lot of girls are really really really really into tattoos . If you are 6 foot 2 and you've got the arms done, they go crazy for that. I've met girls that hate tattoos though. My brother got one on his forearm recently. I have no desire to get one, I'm too black . My experience is that women where I live are more concerned about whether you have a house, a car and a job. That's all really. And some tattoos and muscles. All attainable. Hey Somedude you reading this? All you need to do is eat some paint chips, join a frat, and some women might be able overlook your height Agreed. If Sean Stephenson can date supermodels, Somedude can do it too. Sean Stephenson is like 3 feet tall and cannot walk. He is the f*cking man .
jobaba Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) I think PUA did start off a little extreme, but I think the popularity of Mystery did a lot to add to that. There are techniques that I read in some of Carlos Xuma's work that helped me with conversations with women, that had nothing to do with negging or anything of the sort. Ways where you can talk the way you do, but with an augmented style rather than a changed one. Wholi, I agree. I pick and choose tactics from the PUA world, mostly those related to confidence, boldness, and assertiveness. I would never use the negging if only because it's out of my character and because I have no interest in the women that tactic attracts anyway. Incidentally, Xuma is one of the few guys that I read that I really latched on to. Some really good straightforward stuff in Win With Women. I recommend it for all guys who are looking for some help. PS. Who's your new avatar? Your new 'target'? Smoking ... and a fine example of why anybody who doesn't date a certain 'race' is insane. Edited January 15, 2012 by jobaba
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 (edited) In London, a lot of girls are really really really really into tattoos . If you are 6 foot 2 and you've got the arms done, they go crazy for that. I've met girls that hate tattoos though. My brother got one on his forearm recently. I have no desire to get one, I'm too black . My experience is that women where I live are more concerned about whether you have a house, a car and a job. That's all really. And some tattoos and muscles. All attainable. Agreed. If Sean Stephenson can date supermodels, Somedude can do it too. Sean Stephenson is like 3 feet tall and cannot walk. He is the f*cking man . The tattoo thing is more fake masculinity you buy at the store. What bothers me is how warped male and female ideas of masculinity has become over the years. Probably years ago I'd be the masculine ideal (maybe not in looks but certainly in personality), but I've been replaced by trucker hat and converse wearing metalcore "kids" (kids loosely, a lot of these guys are in their 30's ) with pierced nipples and countless meaningless tattoos. I want to be part of the choir and feel good about that sean stephenson guy, but come on dude, do you really think women are sexually attracted to him? He's a nice guy and I'm rooting for him all the way, but don't be fooled. I have an acquaintance whose in a wheelchair and while women flock to him to make him feel good, that doesn't really translate to ****ing them. Women date him because he's very well-known in the motivational speaking business, he's rich and has connections for women that want to advance their career in that field. Edited January 15, 2012 by Wolf18
allina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 I'd be the masculine ideal (maybe not in looks but certainly in personality) You're way too much of a whiny bitch/cry baby to be the masculine ideal.
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 You're way too much of a whiny bitch/cry baby to be the masculine ideal. That's only because it's illegal to drag you to my cave by the hair.
ThaWholigan Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 Wholi, I agree. I pick and choose tactics from the PUA world, mostly those related to confidence, boldness, and assertiveness. I would never use the negging if only because it's out of my character and because I have no interest in the women that tactic attracts anyway. Incidentally, Xuma is one of the few guys that I read that I really latched on to. Some really good straightforward stuff in Win With Women. I recommend it for all guys who are looking for some help. PS. Who's your new avatar? Your new 'target'? Smoking ... and a fine example of why anybody who doesn't date a certain 'race' is insane. Always pick and choose the info I apply. Xuma's best programs were the social ones (Alpha Man Conversation and Persuasion & Ultimate Inner Game). Get Tao of Badass aswell, magnificent read. I downloaded Love Systems: Beyond Words. Never was a big fan of their stuff, but Vercetti was on it, and he specializes in non-verbal communication. Body Language was perfect, exactly what any man should use. P.S. Girl is Antonia Thomas from a TV Show called Misfits in UK. She's amazingly gorgeous and cute, half black/white, and a great body. Talented too. I fell in love in the first episode where she gave fellatio to the water bottle . :laugh: The tattoo thing is more fake masculinity you buy at the store. What bothers me is how warped male and female ideas of masculinity has become over the years. Probably years ago I'd be the masculine ideal (maybe not in looks but certainly in personality), but I've been replaced by trucker hat and converse wearing metalcore "kids" (kids loosely, a lot of these guys are in their 30's ) with pierced nipples and countless meaningless tattoos. I want to be part of the choir and feel good about that sean stephenson guy, but come on dude, do you really think women are sexually attracted to him? He's a nice guy and I'm rooting for him all the way, but don't be fooled. I have an acquaintance whose in a wheelchair and while women flock to him to make him feel good, that doesn't really translate to ****ing them. Women date him because he's very well-known in the motivational speaking business, he's rich and has connections for women that want to advance their career in that field. Yeah true, Sean probably isn't ****ing them, but lets say he was.....I dunno, half cuban and around 5 foot 6 and could walk......well, he'd probably would be ****ing them
allina Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 That's only because it's illegal to drag you to my cave by the hair. You've mentioned that to me before :laugh:
Author ditzchic Posted January 15, 2012 Author Posted January 15, 2012 So now the frat boy, drunk off his ass, is texting me telling me what a horrible person he is for standing me up. It's hard as hell but I'm not replying. Thanks for the wake up call, LSers!
Wolf18 Posted January 15, 2012 Posted January 15, 2012 You've mentioned that to me before :laugh: I wasn't kidding.
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