Author Woggle Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 With all due respect a woman does not have to worry as much as a man. Stastically your fiance is much happier than you are.
Author Woggle Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 Really? You've been told that? Really, YOU believe that Woggle? I am betting you heard that ONCE, yet have ignored the hundreds of worthy women with positive advice (I know you rarely ever listen to me when I post) who would disagree with that 100 times over. I bet you rec'd that quip surfing the OW forum looking for justification that all women are evil, back stabbing cheaters. You probably even incited that comment for your own purpose. You know what's frustrating? There are those of us that have been burned pretty badly in life- not unlike what you've experienced in the past. Yet you have what us burn victims aspire to- and are still searching for. If I actually found someone worth marrying again, I would hope I wouldn't be on the internet every single night spewing venom about men and how horrible they are. If that should be the case, it would mean I was in yet another bad marriage. Are you in a bad marriage? Are you miserable because your wife is just like all the women in your past? Does she berate you like your mother or your ex-wife? Does she cheat on you, criticize you, make you feel bad about yourself? What is she doing right now? Is she sitting in another room or maybe in bed early wondering why you don't pay her enough attention while you spend your time and energy on the internet lamenting about how horrible women are? Does it ever occur to you that you alienate your wife (that you claim is loving and loyal), by spending so much of your energy searching the internet for reasons to dismiss her? Does it ever occur to you that you are serving her with the same injustice that you have experienced in the past by ignoring her and denying her access to what's going on in your head? Nothing worse than being in a relationship and knowing something is off. She knows something is off, she's just too polite to say anything. You're taking her for granted. I really do wonder if most people found what I have would they truly appreciate or would they break up because they somehow feel too comfortable or they just want to be single again.
snug.bunny Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Anytime I read OP's posts, it makes me feel on edge... There is just something so unsettling about this ongoing cycle of negativity. The constant cynicism, the constant whining, the constant criticism, the constant pessimism, the constant discontentment. I mean people need to vent and all, but when it's the same over and over doom and gloom, keep it to yourself. There are plenty, PLENTY of couples in loving relationships. So, quit going around advocating things that are not true. Tell it to your shrink and stop unloading your sh*t on us. Thank you.
Anela Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) .................. Edited January 14, 2012 by Anela
Surrealist Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I think it was a wise man, or perhaps a defeated pessimistic man, who said" Married dudes feel like killing their wives. Single dudes feel like killing themselves.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Before everyone gets all self righteous and judgmental here... Oh... too late. Look you Dbags... if you had Woggle's experiences I doubt you would come out as sane and normal as he is. The guy throws some of his negative emotions here on this website. Crap I do it too. I'm not sure about how it works for other people, but it keeps me from expressing this in my real life. When you have to put all of your emotions into a man box, sometimes these things need a place to go. So get off your collective high horses. Johan for example called me a dickhead because I dont feel men are required by almighty God and the universe at large to pay for dates. Yeah... there's a healthy attitude. Do men and women get along... most of the time, but not always. Many times we have competing goals... and there is a reason we call it the "ME Generation". I've got a great relationship for sure... but I have not forgotten all the crappy ones it took to get here. I'm really happy.
verhrzn Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I even told some of these women on the boards that my wife and I were happy and they said that deep down she would give her right arm to be single independent like they are and not be caged by a man. These were their exact words. They said deep down every married woman feels like that because no animal likes being in captivity. And I've heard other men say the exact same thing about married men... which gender jokes more often about marriage being the ball and chain, about how horrible and awful marriage is? Male comedies are constantly going on about how great single men have it. I've been told over and over that I might as well never bother with finding a husband or boyfriend because men will constantly cheat on me and want to be non-monogamous. But you claim that you would never do that to your wife. So if you're the exception to that common bit of wisdom, why can't your wife be the exception to the VERY few female posters who claim she's a caged animal? (Now there's a classy metaphor.) Overall, Woggle, looking at these articles is nothing but destructive and pessimism-fapping. You have a wife who you say is fantastic and treats you great-why the heck are you letting complete strangers ruin it for you?? And why the heck are you ENCOURAGING the gender wars by coming onto a dating forum and proclaiming that it's all hopeless?
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 that relationships between the genders are just not working anymore? I was reading some article on a website and the comments show how much bitterness and animosity there is between men and women. We still have sexual desire so why not just find a sex partner and then go home afterwards? Stop trying to force love and commitment between men and women because it is clearly not working anymore. Men and women pretty much hate each other for the most part and I see no softening of the bitterness so why try and make it happen in this kind of climate? If people believe things are not this bad go to any site like Daily Mail or Huffington Post or any of them and read the comments. Look at how many truly happy couples you know. Romance is dead and people need to face it. Forums are not real life bro. Just have to have "good people" radar. Gotta know how to be a good judge of character so you befriend men and women who arent selfish or crappy to folks.
johan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Before everyone gets all self righteous and judgmental here... Oh... too late. Look you Dbags... if you had Woggle's experiences I doubt you would come out as sane and normal as he is. The guy throws some of his negative emotions here on this website. Crap I do it too. I'm not sure about how it works for other people, but it keeps me from expressing this in my real life. When you have to put all of your emotions into a man box, sometimes these things need a place to go. So get off your collective high horses. Johan for example called me a dickhead because I dont feel men are required by almighty God and the universe at large to pay for dates. Yeah... there's a healthy attitude. Do men and women get along... most of the time, but not always. Many times we have competing goals... and there is a reason we call it the "ME Generation". I've got a great relationship for sure... but I have not forgotten all the crappy ones it took to get here. I'm really happy. I didn't call you a dickhead. I just pointed out that you had been called one in that thread. And no less by someone who is generally kind and understanding and is not prone to anger and who is also very captivating. I challenge you to search LS and find another poster who has been called a dickhead. Search through the years and thousands of posts and find one. You won't. You're the only one who has been, and that should tell you something. And I don't disagree with your opinion in that thread necessarily. I only think you're self-righteous about it and condescending, in a deliberate sort of "I'm acting cocky because maybe that will get the young chicks to respond to my PMs" kind of way. I don't know... if the shoe fits, I guess.
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I didn't call you a dickhead. I just pointed out that you had been called one in that thread. And no less by someone who is generally kind and understanding and is not prone to anger and who is also very captivating. I challenge you to search LS and find another poster who has been called a dickhead. Search through the years and thousands of posts and find one. You won't. You're the only one who has been, and that should tell you something. And I don't disagree with your opinion in that thread necessarily. I only think you're self-righteous about it and condescending, in a deliberate sort of "I'm acting cocky because maybe that will get the young chicks to respond to my PMs" kind of way. I don't know... if the shoe fits, I guess. Whatever excuse you may want to use, what you did was nothing less than a personal insult. Because you didn't like my tone? I'm not going to say you were wrong though. I know what you said about Woggle was meant to be funny, but it was more insulting than your insinuation that I'm a dickhead. If I had to go through what Woggle did... I'd be behind bars for shooting someone. I can respect that... and not play armchair Psychiatrist
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 that relationships between the genders are just not working anymore? I was reading some article on a website and the comments show how much bitterness and animosity there is between men and women. We still have sexual desire so why not just find a sex partner and then go home afterwards? Stop trying to force love and commitment between men and women because it is clearly not working anymore. Men and women pretty much hate each other for the most part and I see no softening of the bitterness so why try and make it happen in this kind of climate? If people believe things are not this bad go to any site like Daily Mail or Huffington Post or any of them and read the comments. Look at how many truly happy couples you know. Romance is dead and people need to face it. No thanks. I'd rather focus on ME and MY LIFE, MY FAMILY, MY FRIENDS, collegues, neighbours etc..etc.. All of whom are in good relationships or are married. Happily. I don't need to go look at websites that twist and use facts to their advantage to get hits and/or make money. I don't let 'outside' forces ruin my life and poison my mind. Wish you'd try the same and stop LOOKING for this stuff that feeds your insecuries and makes things worse for you in the long run. Wogs, please stop looking at that stuff... It's making your worries and fears worse. focus on the good stuff IN your life. Wife, marriage, the good friends you have, your health, your job, your house... And your friends who DO have your back on LS. Stop feeding your fears and stop going to those other sites.
whichwayisup Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Because deep down I do wonder if my wife really thinks this. It seems that a very large number of women feel this way so why is she the exception. These are mainstream sites and not feminist sites. Strangers on the net, strangers in the world should NOT speak on behalf of your wife. If you want to know how she truly feels, ask her. DO NOT take the words of others on internet forums. You are married to her, not anybody else. You know her, and should know by now how she feels towards you, your marriage and the life you two built together. You seem to forget all the wonderful and loving things she's done for you. All the positives... She loves you .. ALL OF YOU,, the good the bad and the ugly. Just wish you'd trust that.. And her.
Stung Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Before everyone gets all self righteous and judgmental here... Oh... too late. Look you Dbags... if you had Woggle's experiences I doubt you would come out as sane and normal as he is. The guy throws some of his negative emotions here on this website. Crap I do it too. I'm not sure about how it works for other people, but it keeps me from expressing this in my real life. When you have to put all of your emotions into a man box, sometimes these things need a place to go. So get off your collective high horses. What makes you think none of us have experiences comparable to Woggle's? I would argue that in fact many of us do. It has actually been called to his attention repeatedly that many of the women who try to help him over and over and over on these boards, women who he regularly thanks for helping him see light--and then turns around and insults and trashes days later in another fit of pique over something he read on a rag site--have also been burned badly in life, are also survivors of betrayal rape, molestation, domestic abuse, years of systematic misogyny. Perhaps your own horse is a bit higher than you'd like to believe.
PlumPrincess Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 It's the truth though. Why should I sugarcoat reality. I also wonder if my marriage is really that happy. Many of the comments told me that deep down all married women are weak and are envious of their single friends. How do I know that deep down she doesn't wish she were still single so she can our with the girls? And how does your wife know that deep down it's not you who wishes he was still single so he can go out with the boys?
Author Woggle Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 I never trash women personally on this board but I can't deny the reality of what I see in the world. I can't dent how bad gender relations have gotten. Go read these comments for yourself.
neowulf Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 *shrug* Gross generalisation Woggle. I *love* women. I also happen to like them a whole lot. I've got some awesome female friends who are like sisters to me. Bitterness is a choice. The quality of a persons relationships are about how they choose to conduct themselves. I'm on good terms with almost all my ex's. It doesn't have to be about bitterness and anger Woggle. People and learn to forgive, to let it go and just accept that people are people. Yeah, we're flawed, but we have our positive moments too. The bit that I find the hardest to swallow is that you have a wonderful wife.. and as far as I can tell.. you're an emotional basket case when it comes to women. I'm 33, never married, no children and I can tell you.. I'd LOVE to have a wife and a family of my own. Don't let a small sample of a few ugly, bitter people make you believe that's the way the whole world works.
collegeguy_24 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Woggle, with as often as you come on here to bash gender relationships, I have to wonder, does your wife know about all this? Does she know how you really feel about women? Cause personally, with the way you act and the way you purposely feed your own insecurities by searching for this BS I feel bad for her! If your not going to stop feeding your own insecurities and making everyone miserable, maybe you should just divorce your wife so she can move on to someone who loves her and appreciates her. Because frankly, just from reading your post, I'm surprised she hasn't already.
xxoo Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Woggle, I don't know your wife, but I'm guessing she's a saint for loving through all of your anxious relationship breakdowns.
dasein Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 If I had to go through what Woggle did... I'd be behind bars for shooting someone. I can respect that... and not play armchair Psychiatrist Lots of these replies tell more about the people who sit around here waiting to hop on the woggle bashwagon than about any problems woggle has.
ThaWholigan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I have had blog breakdowns like this before. I remember at my lowest googling "male virgins pathetic" and stuff like that, to try and validate why I was so upset. I was inconsolable but nobody could help. In the end it was an audio program from Carlos Xuma that snapped me out of it lol..... It was a really long program, but he basically said throughout the whole thing "Stop being a pussy and become Alpha" or something like that. Not really into the Alpha Male concept that much, but it rang true. To this day, I have done well not to let things like that bother me so much.
sweetjasmine Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 With all due respect a woman does not have to worry as much as a man. Stastically your fiance is much happier than you are. A woman doesn't have to worry as much about what, Woggle? I know several women who have been raped and/or abused. One woman I know from an activist group (that has nothing to do with gender, btw) was abused as a child, sexually assaulted by a teacher when she was in middle school, and gang raped by a few guys from the basketball team when she was in high school. (And under the logic of some on this forum, she'd be perfectly justified in posting thread after thread full of venom directed at men, I guess.) But I guess people with XY chromosomes are the only ones who have ever suffered from anything. Congratulations on winning the Victim Olympics. Do you understand that what you do in seeking out garbage online comments is exactly the same as somebody like me purposefully reading Stormfront and then lamenting the state of race relations in this country, suggesting that everyone should just go back to segregation and not mix with other races because whites and non-whites all want to kill each other?
quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 That's why nowadays Women are just deciding to try Women. Yeah you heard me. I've said it and i say it again. And it's not actually a new thing. WOmen have been desiring women since old age. And yeah the technology actually helps women meet other women easily. Just have to facebook or go to lesbian dating sites and meet a girl, while before, they would be scared to go out and look. So yeah, it doesn't mean male and female relationships are declining. THEY WERE ALWAYS DECLINED. Women always preferred women, but before they just hid it. Nowadays they don't
Oxy Moronovich Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 This thread got real personal real quick. Apparently, there's antagonism toward the OP. Why haven't the mods done anything about this? If you don't the OP then stay outta his threads. Quit turning a perfectly good thread into a personal attack.
samsungxoxo Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 If Woggle is happily married then why is he still letting online comments bother him enough to make a thread like this again? What is he missing out on? Unless something is lacking in the marriage There will always be rotten people in life. Deal with it.....
snug.bunny Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Before everyone gets all self righteous and judgmental here... Oh... too late. Look you Dbags... if you had Woggle's experiences I doubt you would come out as sane and normal as he is. The guy throws some of his negative emotions here on this website. Crap I do it too. I'm not sure about how it works for other people, but it keeps me from expressing this in my real life. When you have to put all of your emotions into a man box, sometimes these things need a place to go. So basically, you're defending "Propaganda"? Good to know... I do notice a slight difference though between you and OP. You seem to have the ability of reason, whereas, I don't see that in the OP's posts. All-in-all, thread propaganda is not fact, but rather based on one's perception shaped by his/her own experiences. Taking time to deliberately seek out the same negative perceptions to support his claim, and then taking the time to create a thread about it, is a problem. How about starting a thread, over in the "Self Improvement" section?
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