Andy_K Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 This thread is a perfect example of the differences between male and female logic. Male logic: if you are sexually attracted to the same sex, you are gay or bisexual. Your actions and desires determine your sexual identity. Female logic: if you are sexually attracted to the same sex, you could be gay, bisexual, straight, asexual, zoopheliac or just about anything else. Actions are of no consequence; it's all about how YOU chose to identify yourself. I've noticed women in general are very concerned about maintaining a certain image for themselves...but not necessarily with living up to it. That's why the sluttiest of women will try their hardest to pretend that they are good girls. Much truth in this. I believe that the vast majority of girls have some sort of bisexual leaning. They're attracted to girls in some sexual way. The thing is that many won't follow through with it, and the vast majority of those that do, or have at some point, won't be open about it because they are still predominantly attracted to men, and don't want to be 'labelled'.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 This thread is a perfect example of the differences between male and female logic. Oh … nice to know that a statement claiming that men believe that a fictional TV show "proves" that "most women are at least bisexual" exemplifies "male logic" in your opinion. And that women refuting that a single fictional TV show proves anything about female sexuality exemplifies "female logic" in your opinion. Does your "male logic" also inform you that "True Blood" proves that Louisiana is teeming with werewolves and vampires?
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Much truth in this. I believe that the vast majority of girls have some sort of bisexual leaning. They're attracted to girls in some sexual way. The thing is that many won't follow through with it, and the vast majority of those that do, or have at some point, won't be open about it because they are still predominantly attracted to men, and don't want to be 'labelled'. Same applies to guys. Thats why theres a huge "down low" phenomenon of gay and bi males because they dont want to be labeled. But at the end of the day most people are straight and studies will show you this despite what guys wish was true.
Author quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 Watching television doesn't prove a girl is bisexual or a lesbian, actually going down on another girl does. That's not true. Some girls are not interested in sex that much weather they are straight or lesbian or bi. They can be lesbian and have intimate relationship even without sex or going down on girls.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 That's not true. Some girls are not interested in sex that much weather they are straight or lesbian or bi. They can be lesbian and have intimate relationship even without sex or going down on girls. You know what she meant. For people who regularly have sex, kissing someone only does not change someones orientation. Actors take roles different from their orientation all the time. Are they gay or les for kissing the same sex? There are an AWFUL LOT of young girls that do this crap to get a guy's attention - they know it gets guys going when they makeout or get sexually suggestive with each other. They do it on PURPOSE to get a response out of guys because they're idiots. Jeez, you've never heard of this? Youre right. Whats funny is that both girls and guys in the emo and hardcore scene do this. Also, google Japanese fan service. As a fan of J-rock I was always curious of how guys will be straight and in bands together, but kiss so their female fans will get all wild over it. Its weird because Japanese is considered the most masculine nation in the world. This basically means that in their culture men and women usually follow strict masculine and feminine roles, and theres a huge power distance between the genders. I guess guys get away with it their because they are famous. Plus Japanese women tend to like soft features and androgyny in guys.
Author quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 "Plus Japanese women tend to like soft features and androgyny in guys." When that Carmein or whatever girl from the LWord(the one that dresses like a guy) went to japan, girls were drooling over her. And they wanted to touch her and you know.. I saw the video online of her arrival and PR interviews so i know this. ANd yea the reason women love soft feature feminine guys in Japan is because they secretly like girls. Didn't you hear, Women are now going with Women to love hotels in japan because they're tired of men. And the love hotel owner was surprised to see panties and stuff left behind after.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 When that Carmein or whatever girl from the LWord(the one that dresses like a guy) went to japan, girls were drooling over her. And they wanted to touch her and you know.. I saw the video online of her arrival and PR interviews so i know this. ANd yea the reason women love soft feature feminine guys in Japan is because they secretly like girls. Um no...she just has a fanbase of non-straight women because she stars in a lesbian show. Thats like someone saying all men secretly like guys because Neil Patrick Harris fans go crazy when he visits a few cities. Lets be real. Most Japanese folk are straight bro. Maybe you should meet some. Didn't you hear, Women are now going with Women to love hotels in japan because they're tired of men. And the love hotel owner was surprised to see panties and stuff left behind after. Thats a very small percentage of the clients. The same thing happens with men. Despite people watching the L word, characters like HardGay being around, and despite J-rock bands doing fan-service, people are not open about being les or gay in Japan. That being said, Japanese are mostly straight, as most people anywhere are.
Feelsgoodman Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Oh … nice to know that a statement claiming that men believe that a fictional TV show "proves" that "most women are at least bisexual" exemplifies "male logic" in your opinion. Another reading comprehension fail. I was responding to Thieves, who stated that a woman could have sex with other females (what she calls "experimenting") and still be straight. Only a woman could say something like that. A man would never say "yeah, I like to suck cock and take it up the bum but I'm not gay at all!"
verhrzn Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 One of the largest fan bases of the show "Queer As Folk" were straight women, and they loved the gay males. So... does that mean all straight women really want to gay men? Or bang gay men? But how does that work, when a woman likes both "Queer As Folk" AND "The L Word?" Does it mean she's only interested in gay people, men or women? Guess that means all straight men are just out of luck, even though the vast majority of women still identify as straight, have sex with men, and marry men.... even the bi-girls, to the point that the lesbians are always complaining to Dan Savage how bi-girls won't have relationships with them. Too bad for you OP! That must be the reason you've had such terrible luck with women.... cause despite overwhelming evidence, we'll all secretly lesbians.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Another reading comprehension fail. I was responding to Thieves, who stated that a woman could have sex with other females (what she calls "experimenting") and still be straight. Only a woman could say something like that. A man would never say "yeah, I like to suck cock and take it up the bum but I'm not gay at all!" Im sorta torn on my feeling regarding the idea of experimentation and if it definitively reflects ones sexual orientation. On one hand I find it hard to believe a straight man or woman could have sex with the same gender, as an experiment, and still be straight. Obviously there is/was an attraction there that pushed them to experiment. And being attracted to the same sex makes one not straight. On the other hand, some people dont know whether they like something or not unless theyve tried it, and who am I to tell them their orientation. Maybe they realized they dont like same gender sex and they now stick to the opposite sex. In this case I would say there are straight if they dont have same sex attraction any longer. For those "straight" women who still have attraction to other women, and enjoyed their lesbian experiment, they arent straight. I think they just cling to the label straight because it has a sense of normalcy in society. A good portion of these women, whom are actually bisexual, tend to just use women for sex while having men for relationships. I even have a bi friend whos like this. Shed never date a woman long term because she couldnt give up sex with me...but of course she could give up women for a long term relationship with a man. Its weird when some women will use women for sex in the same way men do.
Feelsgoodman Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Im sorta torn on my feeling regarding the idea of experimentation and if it definitively reflects ones sexual orientation. On one hand I find it hard to believe a straight man or woman could have sex with the same gender, as an experiment, and still be straight. Obviously there is/was an attraction there that pushed them to experiment. And being attracted to the same sex makes one not straight. If you are attracted to the same sex, you can't be straight. Full stop. Now that doesn't necessarily mean you are 100% gay...you could be bisexual. But you are definitely not straight. The definition of straight is a narrow one. It only applies to people who are exclusively attracted to the opposite sex. On the other hand, some people dont know whether they like something or not unless theyve tried it, and who am I to tell them their orientation. People who decide to "experiment" (which is a pretty misleading term in this context) are acting on already existing homosexual desires. A straight man is not going to wake up one day and say "hey, maybe I'll try sucking cock just to see what it feels like". Obviously, there has to be some sort of underlying motivation for one to start "experimenting" in the first place.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 If you are attracted to the same sex, you can't be straight. Full stop. Now that doesn't necessarily mean you are 100% gay...you could be bisexual. But you are definitely not straight. The definition of straight is a narrow one. It only applies to people who are exclusively attracted to the opposite sex. Thats what i said, so we are in agreement. However, some people go there whole lives attracted to one sex and then having one particular person of the other sex peak their interest. Sexuality isnt black and white, which is why we have threads online where men and women end up marrying someone who turned out to be lesbian, gay, or bisexual. Id like to think people have that all figured out by the time they are married. But it is what it is. People who decide to "experiment" (which is a pretty misleading term in this context) are acting on already existing homosexual desires. A straight man is not going to wake up one day and say "hey, maybe I'll try sucking cock just to see what it feels like". Obviously, there has to be some sort of underlying motivation for one to start "experimenting" in the first place. Like I said above...some people didnt have exisiting desires. Sometimes they grew over time from something that used to not be there. For others they may have always had those desires, but once they acted them out, decided they dislike same sex relations and from then on were only attracted to the opposite sex. Thats what I think is the case of some straight women who experimented. If the attraction or curiosity does not exist any longer, then that person is straight. However, the women who still lust after other women I wouldnt consider straight. The thing about sexuality is its hard to make blanket statements based on our own beliefs regarding the matter. Especially considering the fact that what people tell you may not be exactly what they believe or feel since society controls sexuality. To each their own though.
silvermercy Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 I think everyone's forgetting to add the simple fact that in this modern society the word sex has become synonymous with females. So every time a person, ANY person, including women, sees an image of an objectively sexy female, that person is going to equate it to sex, regardless of orientation. In other words, in our society, sex = hot females, followed by sexy couples in a lesser degree, followed by sexy males in an even lower degree. Usually the latter is also synonymous with gay men. So to summarize the equations: females = sex (in general) couples = straight sex males = gay sex Now, everyone do the math. It's not because women are secretly bi or lesbians. It ALL has to do with the current sex-image model (and the increased level of male homophobia among men compared to the past where it was more accepted. On the other hand, it seems modern women are more emotional and apparently less homophobic than modern men). ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with women being closet bisexuals or lesbians.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) ^Good point. Because modern media floods our minds with what straight dudes find attractive, its not far off to think that this would influence both men and women of different orientations. I wouldnt mind ladies looking at my body and it being synonymous with hot sex though.:cool:Time to change the system. Edited January 14, 2012 by kaylan
Andy_K Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030613075252.htm "As with previous research, the researchers found that men responded consistent with their sexual orientations. In contrast, both homosexual and heterosexual women showed a bisexual pattern of psychological as well as genital arousal. That is, heterosexual women were just as sexually aroused by watching female stimuli as by watching male stimuli, even though they prefer having sex with men rather than women." ""Since most women seem capable of sexual arousal to both sexes, why do they choose one or the other?" Bailey asked. "Probably for reasons other than sexual arousal.""
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 ^Lol this study has been debunked before. Give me a minute
ThaWholigan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030613075252.htm "As with previous research, the researchers found that men responded consistent with their sexual orientations. In contrast, both homosexual and heterosexual women showed a bisexual pattern of psychological as well as genital arousal. That is, heterosexual women were just as sexually aroused by watching female stimuli as by watching male stimuli, even though they prefer having sex with men rather than women." ""Since most women seem capable of sexual arousal to both sexes, why do they choose one or the other?" Bailey asked. "Probably for reasons other than sexual arousal."" I think the psychological aspect of sex would then come into play with these women, having sex with a man would have more of a psychological and emotional component, perhaps related to pure masculinity (dominance, personal authority, raw male sexuality, power etc). I'm guessing here though
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030613075252.htm "As with previous research, the researchers found that men responded consistent with their sexual orientations. In contrast, both homosexual and heterosexual women showed a bisexual pattern of psychological as well as genital arousal. That is, heterosexual women were just as sexually aroused by watching female stimuli as by watching male stimuli, even though they prefer having sex with men rather than women." ""Since most women seem capable of sexual arousal to both sexes, why do they choose one or the other?" Bailey asked. "Probably for reasons other than sexual arousal."" Social influence has enormously complicated effects, often effects that are quite surprising and counter-intuitive. It seems to be responsible for a lot about us. All one has to do is look at the sexual behavior in people of different cultures, countries, and time periods. Also let us not forget that what arouses us in fantasy (pornography) will not always be what arouses us in real life. I watch BBW porn a good bit, but am not attracted to these women when Im out and about. Also, western media has conditioned everyone to find women attractive because thats what straight men find attractive. We control the media. We cannot dismiss social influence especially considering how different our attractions were just a generation or so ago. Btw, here a little link about Dr. Bailey. The guy who led your study. He has very little credibility http://www.americablog.com/2005/07/bisexuality-study-nyt-gives-prominence.html
Author quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 And not to mention the study on Late Bloomers. There's so many . And not just Americans, Yukie Nakama from japanese tv also came out. Look the study http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1296628/Scientists-say-more-women-changing-sexuality-mid-life-Can-really-true-And-whats-emotional-cost.html
Author quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 Social influence has enormously complicated effects, often effects that are quite surprising and counter-intuitive. It seems to be responsible for a lot about us. All one has to do is look at the sexual behavior in people of different cultures, countries, and time periods. Also let us not forget that what arouses us in fantasy (pornography) will not always be what arouses us in real life. I watch BBW porn a good bit, but am not attracted to these women when Im out and about. Also, western media has conditioned everyone to find women attractive because thats what straight men find attractive. We control the media. We cannot dismiss social influence especially considering how different our attractions were just a generation or so ago. Btw, here a little link about Dr. Bailey. The guy who led your study. He has very little credibility http://www.americablog.com/2005/07/bisexuality-study-nyt-gives-prominence.html It doesn't matter whethere influence from media or whatever, FACT IS Women are liking women. Don't tell me that it is just the media. And yeah if it is the media.. yeah i know that's why i'm saying that Women love the LWord and they have social influence from that and the many lesbian shows that are out there including Ellen and Rosie and all those things.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 And not to mention the study on Late Bloomers. There's so many . And not just Americans, Yukie Nakama from japanese tv also came out. Look the study http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1296628/Scientists-say-more-women-changing-sexuality-mid-life-Can-really-true-And-whats-emotional-cost.html http://seedmagazine.com/content/article/girls_gone_wild_for_monkeys/ Check that out. Same Dr Bailey from the study posted on the last page. Does this mean women want to have sex with monkeys? NO! It means women are turned on by seeing sex. Its doesnt have anything to do with their orientation however. What turns you on from viewing, does not speak for what you are actually attracted to sexually.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 It doesn't matter whethere influence from media or whatever, FACT IS Women are liking women. Don't tell me that it is just the media. And yeah if it is the media.. yeah i know that's why i'm saying that Women love the LWord and they have social influence from that and the many lesbian shows that are out there including Ellen and Rosie and all those things. Lmao, did you even read the link? The Professor does not have much credibility when it comes to sexual studies. I can provide more links that discredit his testing methods. Fact is that most men and women like the opposite gender only. While some men and women do like the same gender though. To know this all you have to do is look around you and look at actual studies that survey orientation and past sexual history. Just because a few women watch the L word, doesnt mean anything. As a previous poster said, women liked watching shows that focused on gay men as well. Good tv is good tv to them. Is someone gay for watching Brokeback Mountain. I mean the movie got nominated for many awards...so can someone not watch a good movie or will it mean they are gay. Lets be serious kid.
Author quietGuy13 Posted January 14, 2012 Author Posted January 14, 2012 Lmao, To know this all you have to do is look around you and look at actual studies that survey orientation and past sexual history. Lets be serious kid. Surveys about orientation?? People lie, you know!! Especially about private stuff. Who's gonna tell the truth to someone they don't even know who comes to their house and asks "Are you gay?" especially in certain Male dominated societies.
kaylan Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Surveys about orientation?? People lie, you know!! Especially about private stuff. Who's gonna tell the truth to someone they don't even know who comes to their house and asks "Are you gay?" especially in certain Male dominated societies. Ok, so if thats your position then what you are saying is that there is no way to ever truly know whats the sexual orientation distribution of a population of people. If you can just dismiss results as saying, "people lie" then I can simply tell you that everyone is homosexual. And everyone is lieing about their orientation. The only reason opposite sex couples exist is for procreation, and because we are socialized to do so. Thats what you wanna hear right? Some logic. Believe what you want to believe. This thread was created with an ignorant opinion already set in stone, despite such an opinion not being backed by logical support. Whatever, I meet plenty of penis loving women every day. Edited January 14, 2012 by kaylan
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 14, 2012 Posted January 14, 2012 Another reading comprehension fail. I was responding to Thieves, Except, what you actually typed was: This thread is a perfect example of the differences between male and female logic.
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