Wolf18 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 We'll have to agree to disagree on that. The first thing I notice about a man is his face. Unless we're on a beach, I have no idea if he's got a six pack, and I couldn't care less. Of course, I actually prefer shorter men, so maybe I'm not the norm, but I do know that most women would not spurn guys who have an average build. Really, women do not expect men to be extremely muscular or extremely tall. Both are turn-offs for me. Think about it: most people are average and most people date. I've never known a good-looking guy with an average body type and a decent personality to have trouble with women. Trust me, an attractive face beats out broad shoulders and defined abs any day. The shoulders and abs are covered most of the time anyway, lol. Girls know. I know when I had broad shoulders and abs it was like night and day compared to how women treat me now ( I wore tight tshirts to be a showoff). My personality was the same or worse, yet women tripped over each other to please me and let me get away with everything. Now that I'm skinnier women as a whole are indifferent or bitchy towards me . You are a weird girl, you make guys wait years before you put out . An ugly tall guy will always get more girls than a handsome shorter guy. This isn't debateable, it's an absolute fact that I see reinforced every time I go out.
phineas Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Wring its neck on camera and you're golden I'll add it to my profile. It'll show women I have an "edge"
tangerinetrees Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I really believe that when it comes right down to it, the connections we make with people are based on so much more than physical attraction. I have dated such a wide gamut of men. Was married to a super tall skinny man, dated several men who ranged from slightly overweight to heavyset, some were short some were tall. I have also dated a couple guys with incredible bodies (and tiny little brains!) J/K!!! I am attracted waaaaay more to a great sense of humor, sexy smile, and a nice set of eyes than I am to any particular body type. Throw in a little dash of charisma and I'm likely to fall head over heels! lol But, then again.....this is coming from a FAT (but super gorgeous) chick!!
Emilia Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Amen sister. Can you refer me to your plastic surgeon? Nice! Love it how you pretend to be Mr Nice berating women for being 'shallow' for having preferences yet you will post a stinging comment from time to time that shows your true character. Just can't help yourself to be mean, can you? As for the original post, it appears to me that you equate overweight with less desirable. Isn't that shallow? You have never dated overweight women but you are claiming you would. I think you are lying.
Author jobaba Posted January 12, 2012 Author Posted January 12, 2012 Nice! Love it how you pretend to be Mr Nice berating women for being 'shallow' for having preferences yet you will post a stinging comment from time to time that shows your true character. Just can't help yourself to be mean, can you? As for the original post, it appears to me that you equate overweight with less desirable. Isn't that shallow? You have never dated overweight women but you are claiming you would. I think you are lying. She does plastic surgery. She's mentioned it many times. I have no problem with plastic surgery and would actually get it myself if I thought it would help. So, your comment is uncalled for. And yes, I would date an overweight woman. However, I would like to say I am learning to be less judgemental towards people's physical preferences. Slowly...
quankanne Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I am attracted waaaaay more to a great sense of humor, sexy smile, and a nice set of eyes than I am to any particular body type. Throw in a little dash of charisma and I'm likely to fall head over heels! lol this is exactly the point I was attempting to make: that while may seem on the outset that we all chase "perfect" specimens, in the long run, it's someone's particular personality that's the deciding factor in staying in a relationship. as for being short ... well that depends on what angle you're considering. At 5'4", anyone my height or above is considered tall, LOL. My husband was a couple of inches taller than me when we first dated, now because of a bad back, it seems that I'm taller than him at times. Works in my favor, though, makes kissing and hugging and all that good stuff much nicer
Philosoraptor Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 An ugly tall guy will always get more girls than a handsome shorter guy. This isn't debateable, it's an absolute fact that I see reinforced every time I go out. I disagree. I'm not sure what is considered tall, but I'm about 5'8" and I get flirted with constantly. I'm generally considered handsome (pics in profile if you care) but what really attracts women is your attitude. I'm easy to approach and very positive. I've got this bubbly aura that tends to draw everyone. I've been hit on by a good deal of men as well haha. More than looks, more than height, more than anything comes how you hold yourself. I'm always happy and smiling, easy to approach.
EnigmaticClarity Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 More than looks, more than height, more than anything comes how you hold yourself. I'm always happy and smiling, easy to approach. It's the absolute truth that self-pitying short guys will never get as long as they wallow in self-pity. Neil Strauss is 5' 6" and average-looking at best and uses his personality to date hundreds of women. If Neil isn't a good enough example, then Google "Sean Stephenson"--he's 3' 0" and has osteogenesis imperfecta (the brittle bones disease) and makes money on the lecture circuit teaching auditoriums full of guys who are FAR more blessed than he is how to stand up and stop feeling sorry for themselves. If THIS little guy can attract women simply from a belief in himself that he's able to project to the world, I can't wait to hear what sort of rationalization the 5' x" guys here can come up with as to why they're less able to than he is.
azsinglegal Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Pretty amazing how being overweight as a woman can stump your options to the point that you have to 'stoop' to dating short guys. If I put the same options in with women the same height with athletic and slim, the required height would go up to around 5'10" or 6'0" for the majority. I'm pretty athletic, but I wouldn't mind an overweight woman, especially if she's less shallow and good hearted. Everyone is gonna look like sh@t in 25 years anyway. My man is 5'6". Same height as me. I'm not fat or overweight. I think you guys who have short man's syndrome need to sack up and get over it. If you think you're stuck with obese women because of your height, you are IN-SANE. If him and I split, I would date another guy his height if he caught my fancy. And I can say, at the gym, I've seen several guys the same height as me or shorter who I'd definitely go out with. Height, short or tall doesn't = a good guy. Being a good guy = a good guy.
azsinglegal Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 An ugly tall guy will always get more girls than a handsome shorter guy. This isn't debateable, it's an absolute fact that I see reinforced every time I go out. NO WAY. short hot guy > tall ugly guy
EnigmaticClarity Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 NO WAY. short hot guy > tall ugly guy Oh come on, admit it--you'd rather hook up with Howard Stern at 6' 5" than Tom Cruise or Jon Stewart at 5' 7". What woman wouldn't?
somedude81 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 I think you guys who have short man's syndrome need to sack up and get over it. If only it were that simple. Even if I didn't give a damn about my height, it wouldn't affect me at all. I'm not the one who decides if a girl is attracted to me or not. I'm not going to lie and say that my personality is perfect. I know I'm insecure and a bit awkward with women. But if I were taller, it would mean that women could at least be physically attracted to me and the awkwardness wouldn't mean as much. But a short guy who is not physically attractive, better have a killer personality with ironclad confidence or else no woman would give him the time of day.
ThaWholigan Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 But a short guy who is not physically attractive, better have a killer personality with ironclad confidence or else no woman would give him the time of day. Make that, Any guy who is or isn't physically attractive. I am tall and wouldn't call myself physically unattractive, it has not helped me very much. Ironclad confidence and a killer personality is what every man should be aiming for. As well as a relaxed and positive & progressive nature.
azsinglegal Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Oh come on, admit it--you'd rather hook up with Howard Stern at 6' 5" than Tom Cruise or Jon Stewart at 5' 7". What woman wouldn't? Um, not this woman. You've missed the posts where my BF is 5'6" and smoking hot. Him > tall ugly guy Any day.
azsinglegal Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 If only it were that simple. Even if I didn't give a damn about my height, it wouldn't affect me at all. I'm not the one who decides if a girl is attracted to me or not. I'm not going to lie and say that my personality is perfect. I know I'm insecure and a bit awkward with women. But if I were taller, it would mean that women could at least be physically attracted to me and the awkwardness wouldn't mean as much. But a short guy who is not physically attractive, better have a killer personality with ironclad confidence or else no woman would give him the time of day. Sense of humor = #1 If you can make a woman laugh, you can win our hearts. It's really that simple IMO. I'll take a short, funny guy over a tall, boring douchebag any day.
somedude81 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Make that, Any guy who is or isn't physically attractive. I am tall and wouldn't call myself physically unattractive, it has not helped me very much. Ironclad confidence and a killer personality is what every man should be aiming for. As well as a relaxed and positive & progressive nature. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you have autism? If that's true, then that is your handicap. Average looking, average height guys can get by without having super confidence and a great personality, they've been doing it for millions of years. But when a guy is short, he is less than average and needs something extra to make up for the lack of physical attraction.
Surrealist Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 This guy is short and he has absolutely no trouble with women whatsoever. Incidentally he is also in his late 30s, considered old by some. I know he is short as well, met him in person. Probably no taller than 5'6. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/photos-ak-ash1/v217/81/113/573792770/n573792770_743223_6099.jpg Of course all short guys everywhere will make the excuse that he is good looking and has muscle and so on. Well he did and does have to work hard to get it. Any guy can make changes to his body with hard work and diet. Or make excuses of course. Isn't that what guys demand of the women they pursue anyway to look slim and in shape? Interested to read the excuses. Similar with women, if you are indeed overweight and you assess this is the sole reason why you cannot attract dates, then lose it!
Wolf18 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 This guy is short and he has absolutely no trouble with women whatsoever. Incidentally he is also in his late 30s, considered old by some. I know he is short as well, met him in person. Probably no taller than 5'6. https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/photos-ak-ash1/v217/81/113/573792770/n573792770_743223_6099.jpg Of course all short guys everywhere will make the excuse that he is good looking and has muscle and so on. Well he did and does have to work hard to get it. Any guy can make changes to his body with hard work and diet. Or make excuses of course. Isn't that what guys demand of the women they pursue anyway to look slim and in shape? Interested to read the excuses. Similar with women, if you are indeed overweight and you assess this is the sole reason why you cannot attract dates, then lose it! LOL! Yes I will make the excuse. Whenever people talk about their 5'6 friend who scores left and right, it's always a guy that looks like that. Even at my biggest in my working out days, I was never as huge as that guy. That guy, without a shadow of a doubt, takes steroids. This isn't even a question, the traps alone, despite being covered by the shirt, the shape and size of them are a great indicator. This dudes built like Ronny from Jersey shore whose also "Short" and gets lots of girls for the same reason. Losing weight is not the same at all as looking like that guy. If I have to take hormones and spend 4 hours at the gym every day to get a girlfriend, well frankly, **** women. They're not worth all that. Oh come on, admit it--you'd rather hook up with Howard Stern at 6' 5" than Tom Cruise or Jon Stewart at 5' 7". What woman wouldn't? [/Quote] Your jaw would drop at how many women would pick Howard Stern over those guys just for his height.
ThaWholigan Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you have autism? If that's true, then that is your handicap. Average looking, average height guys can get by without having super confidence and a great personality, they've been doing it for millions of years. But when a guy is short, he is less than average and needs something extra to make up for the lack of physical attraction. Well, the difference is, I was not diagnosed until I hit 20 so I don't see it as a handicap as such, merely a challenge which I have overcome mostly. The problem is you actually do see your height as a handicap, I don't see my condition as such. My "handicap" is my own self stuttering to overcome the condition. Developing "something extra" of oneself should not be seen as a burden, it should be a challenge one is willing to meet. But again, I am big on self-improvement and optimism so maybe that's just me.....
somedude81 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Either he juices or has pretty wonky genetics. I've been working out for years and my body is nothing like that. I'm an ectomorph. If I didn't work out, I'd just be super skinny with tiny arms, which I'm not. I'm sure I can get bigger, but I doubt I'll ever reach that level.
somedude81 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Well, the difference is, I was not diagnosed until I hit 20 so I don't see it as a handicap as such, merely a challenge which I have overcome mostly. The problem is you actually do see your height as a handicap, I don't see my condition as such. My "handicap" is my own self stuttering to overcome the condition. Developing "something extra" of oneself should not be seen as a burden, it should be a challenge one is willing to meet. But again, I am big on self-improvement and optimism so maybe that's just me..... No, I'm 100% sure that autism is your handicap. Without it you'd do fine with women. It's great that you see it as a challenge to overcome. Being short is not something that I can work on and overcome. It will always be there. No matter what I do, it will always be the first thing a woman notices about me.
Wolf18 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Either he juices or has pretty wonky genetics. I've been working out for years and my body is nothing like that. I'm an ectomorph. If I didn't work out, I'd just be super skinny with tiny arms, which I'm not. I'm sure I can get bigger, but I doubt I'll ever reach that level. Yeah, same here. Even when I worked my ass off and hit the weights 2-3 hours a session, eating the perfect diet and all that, I never looked even half as huge as that guy. I looked good, and pretty big compared to the average, but that guys got both amazing genetics AND uses steroids. I'm sure that body builder dude attracts more pussy than fancy feast, but somebody who looks like that probably makes getting women and looking a certain way the center of his life which I'm not going to ever do. It's just not my personality and it wouldn't make me happy as a person by and large.
Necromancer Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 We'll have to agree to disagree on that. The first thing I notice about a man is his face. Unless we're on a beach, I have no idea if he's got a six pack, and I couldn't care less. Of course, I actually prefer shorter men, so maybe I'm not the norm, but I do know that most women would not spurn guys who have an average build. Really, women do not expect men to be extremely muscular or extremely tall. Both are turn-offs for me. Think about it: most people are average and most people date. I've never known a good-looking guy with an average body type and a decent personality to have trouble with women. Trust me, an attractive face beats out broad shoulders and defined abs any day. The shoulders and abs are covered most of the time anyway, lol. Good looking guy´s have to be socially retarded to not get women. you can see if a guy is muscular if he is in a t-shirt. The average guy will have trouble getting the women he wants,that´s a fact. I was with few females chilling at school and they said that there are like 2-3 hot guys in the school and there are 1500 people in day school,i was just wtf? i see cute girls at every corner. the girls are NOT hot(just average from my standards). Women are really picky!
Wolf18 Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 Well, the difference is, I was not diagnosed until I hit 20 so I don't see it as a handicap as such, merely a challenge which I have overcome mostly. The problem is you actually do see your height as a handicap, I don't see my condition as such. My "handicap" is my own self stuttering to overcome the condition. Developing "something extra" of oneself should not be seen as a burden, it should be a challenge one is willing to meet. But again, I am big on self-improvement and optimism so maybe that's just me..... I don't necessarily think the whole confidence and charm thing isn't true. It certainly is attractive to women, but it's just one piece of the puzzle. If you're someone whose got social problems or autism, that's definitely going to hurt your cause with women, but you can pull through it if you're bold and willful. What pisses guys off when they get rejected by a 5'2 girl for being under 5'10 or a ginger rejects a man for having red hair or an Asian girl rejects them for being Asian, isn't just the rejection, it's the feeling of impotence. When girls judge your potential, even girls who are just like you, based off one trait that doesn't mean anything, it feels like being imprisoned. If I was a heroin addict and women wouldn't want anything to do with me, yeah it's still rejection but I would understand it completely. Ditto for things like guys who have really low self-esteem or no confidence (no offense somedude, but this is one of your issues as well, although that doesn't mean you're imagining women rejecting you for not being tall).
Dust Posted January 12, 2012 Posted January 12, 2012 If only it were that simple. Even if I didn't give a damn about my height, it wouldn't affect me at all. I'm not the one who decides if a girl is attracted to me or not. I'm not going to lie and say that my personality is perfect. I know I'm insecure and a bit awkward with women. But if I were taller, it would mean that women could at least be physically attracted to me and the awkwardness wouldn't mean as much. But a short guy who is not physically attractive, better have a killer personality with ironclad confidence or else no woman would give him the time of day. Being tall helps a lot. Being good looking helps a lot. But what helps most is not feeling sorry for yourself and actually trying. You don't try. You expect a hot naked woman to fall into your lap ready and willing. You want to be seduced, because I doubt even a naked woman falling into your lap would be enough. I'm sorry that women arn't seducing you Somedude. Now how about you try for once in your life? Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you say that you have autism? If that's true, then that is your handicap. Average looking, average height guys can get by without having super confidence and a great personality, they've been doing it for millions of years. But when a guy is short, he is less than average and needs something extra to make up for the lack of physical attraction. Not cool Somedude. It's well known that Autistic people consider it a part of who they are and not a probem to solve but something to work with. You should feel the same way about who you are. Also I don't agree with diagnosing 20 year old men with a type of autism because they happen to be awkward. I don't see how it helps personaly. Well, the difference is, I was not diagnosed until I hit 20 so I don't see it as a handicap as such, merely a challenge which I have overcome mostly. The problem is you actually do see your height as a handicap, I don't see my condition as such. My "handicap" is my own self stuttering to overcome the condition. Developing "something extra" of oneself should not be seen as a burden, it should be a challenge one is willing to meet. But again, I am big on self-improvement and optimism so maybe that's just me..... He views life as a victim. I see ThaWholigan you are proud of who you are. I'd be cautious though of thinking of yourself as having Autism. I've said it before that it doesn't help and it isn't necesarily true. Why can't a person just be different! Why do we have to label them? No, I'm 100% sure that autism is your handicap. Without it you'd do fine with women. It's great that you see it as a challenge to overcome. Being short is not something that I can work on and overcome. It will always be there. No matter what I do, it will always be the first thing a woman notices about me. Well I know plenty of short avg/below avg looking dudes who do "fine with women" as you put it. So I'm 100% sure that your handicap is your bad victim mentality. In fact even if you didn't have a woman your problem would be over this instance if you just stopped worrying and crying about it. Seriously its very easy to get women even for you if you just tried! Good looking guy´s have to be socially retarded to not get women. you can see if a guy is muscular if he is in a t-shirt. The average guy will have trouble getting the women he wants,that´s a fact. I was with few females chilling at school and they said that there are like 2-3 hot guys in the school and there are 1500 people in day school,i was just wtf? i see cute girls at every corner. the girls are NOT hot(just average from my standards). Women are really picky! I would say Somedude is socialy retarded so are most of the guys who complain about not getting women. The thing is all they would have to do is stop feeling sorry for themselves and actually try and it wouldn't matter if they were really mentaly handi cap because they'd get women. I've actually seen plenty of mentally handicaped men with lovely gf's. Also if there are 1500 people in your school and even more people in the world why would you let a few females chilling effect you so? I mean they could have said "I like having sex with dead people" and I wouldn't apply that to any one but them. Plus I'd have doubts about the honesty of anything they said.
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