Where are all the upset women online?

[Imajerk17]

If there was something I could do to improve my chances with men I would.

 

I don't reject men; I hardly ever meet single men and when I do I go out with them. I'm also not picky; I have almost no dealbreakers (which I'm sure reflects badly on me)--I'll go out with an average looking guy who's underemployed and drinks too much (and I'm none of those things). That's what not having options leads to--low standards.*

 

I'm going out with friends to see a band tonight. I can almost guarantee there will be no single men my age there.*

 

*

 

Have you tried online dating? Even in a "mid-sized" city such as yours, you should be able to find a couple decent fellows to pass the time with.

[jobaba]

I don't reject men; I hardly ever meet single men and when I do I go out with them. I'm also not picky; I have almost no dealbreakers (which I'm sure reflects badly on me)--I'll go out with an average looking guy who's underemployed and drinks too much (and I'm none of those things). That's what not having options leads to--low standards.*

 

Don't think of it that way. That's a sh@tty attitude.

 

Screw all the people who pass people up because they aren't good looking enough or have enough $ and screw all the people who have dozens of dealbreakers.

 

If you can find somebody who is a TRULY good person and treats you right, you made out like a bandit.

 

Believe me, that's a lot harder to find than a pretty face.

[iris219]

Have you tried online dating? Even in a "mid-sized" city such as yours, you should be able to find a couple decent fellows to pass the time with.

 

I've looked at profiles online for my area and it was scary. I knew a lot of the guys as well which would make me uncomfortable.

 

My female friends tell such horror stories about OLD. One friend went on about 20 dates last year and each guy was worse than the one before. One guy revealed on the date that he was a witch and had powers. Another starting crying, on the date, about his ex wife.

 

I have considered creating a profile in a larger city a couple hours away. That might be weird though.

[iris219]

 

If you can find somebody who is a TRULY good person and treats you right, you made out like a bandit.

 

That is very hard to do. The guys I met last guy all had issues, some of them major, that made it impossible for us to continue dating.

 

I just have to wait a few more years for couples to start getting divorced.

[Imajerk17]

I've looked at profiles online for my area and it was scary. I knew a lot of the guys as well which would make me uncomfortable.

 

My female friends tell such horror stories about OLD. One friend went on about 20 dates last year and each guy was worse than the one before. One guy revealed on the date that he was a witch and had powers. Another starting crying, on the date, about his ex wife.

 

I have considered creating a profile in a larger city a couple hours away. That might be weird though.

 

Man, you're worse than Somedude. Maybe the two of you should hook up. I'm sick of seeing both of you whine.

 

Millions of women date online, thousands in your town I am positive, and they're still OK. It's not that bad, really.

[iris219]

Man, you're worse than Somedude. Maybe the two of you should hook up. I'm sick of seeing both of you whine.

 

Millions of women date online, thousands in your town I am positive, and they're still OK. It's not that bad, really.

 

I don't think I whine. I think I've become very accepting of my situation.

 

Somedude isn't my type, nor would I be his.

[Imajerk17]

I don't think I whine. I think I've become very accepting of my situation.

 

Somedude isn't my type, nor would I be his.

 

It's just depressing reading your posts. You say how you can't find a decent man for the life of you and yet you hardly seem to be willing to do anything, except to keep going to bars.

 

The can-do spirit is very attractive you know.

[Ruby Slippers]

Women do what they want because there's no consequences. You can't slap them or call them whores anymore to keep them in line, so women take this as carte blanche to do anything they feel.

Wow. You really think everything would be fine and dandy if only men could openly slap women and call them whores?

 

Scary.

[Woggle]

I would never advocate anything like physical violence but men need to stick together on this. If we catch a woman in this kind of behavior we both need to confront. Also until they stop using us as a free meal they can pay their own way. A woman who is empathetic towards men will understand.

[Wolf18]

Wow. You really think everything would be fine and dandy if only men could openly slap women and call them whores?

 

Scary.

 

I think that when males disrespect women it's a big deal in our society and the woman is always a victim. The guy disrespecting the women usually gets threatened with violence by other males, ostracized, etc.

 

Meanwhile, when women disrespect men, neither society nor men do anything about it. In fact, we praise women for it, it's about their choice and being empowered. Everything women do, good or bad, is empowering.

[ThaWholigan]

I would never advocate anything like physical violence but men need to stick together on this. If we catch a woman in this kind of behavior we both need to confront. Also until they stop using us as a free meal they can pay their own way. A woman who is empathetic towards men will understand.

 

Agree, all is true.

 

I will say though that my main focus will be on making myself more appealing to the point where it does not happen to me. Men should also have more focus on being more attractive so as to minimize the chances of women doing this sort of behavior and not being a sap .

[Woggle]

Agree, all is true.

 

I will say though that my main focus will be on making myself more appealing to the point where it does not happen to me. Men should also have more focus on being more attractive so as to minimize the chances of women doing this sort of behavior and not being a sap .

 

No matter how appealing you are some women still pull this crap. Just have a one strike rule and if a woman pulls any crap drop her.

[ThaWholigan]

No matter how appealing you are some women still pull this crap. Just have a one strike rule and if a woman pulls any crap drop her.

 

Oh trust me I know . They will never see my face again

[iris219]

It's just depressing reading your posts. You say how you can't find a decent man for the life of you and yet you hardly seem to be willing to do anything, except to keep going to bars.

 

The can-do spirit is very attractive you know.

 

I'm sorry that the reality of my life sounds depressing.

 

I don't just go to bars. I'm not going to a bar tonight; it's a music venue. I do all sorts of social activities. My social life is very active.

 

I'm going out of town next weekend, so maybe I'll get lucky there. I've also applied for jobs in other states, so I'm trying to do something about my situation.

[Imajerk17]

I'm sorry that the reality of my life sounds depressing.

 

I don't just go to bars. I'm not going to a bar tonight; it's a music venue. I do all sorts of social activities. My social life is very active.

 

I'm going out of town next weekend, so maybe I'll get lucky there. I've also applied for jobs in other states, so I'm trying to do something about my situation.

 

Good! But in the meanwhile maybe you might want to stop talking about "lowering your standards" so much. Just a suggestion....

[Woggle]

Another thing I just remembered is go on any news site like Daily Mail or Huffington Post or any other one and read the comments whenever there is a story about a gender issues. You will read a lot of manhating.

[Dust]

Yeah, I've seen that very often myself. I've never knowingly been the victim of such a thing (mostly because I have a very low bull **** tolerance with women compared to other men and women can smell that I'm not a sucker) , but I have had cases a few years back where women would get one of their male "friends" to drive them to my apartment so I could screw them, and have seen the first date behavior among my friends

 

My friend j asked a girl out to the movies once, it was me, him, my very physically attractive male friend Timothy, and the girl. By the end of the night, guess who took her home? Timothy, even though he did his damndest to ignore all this girls advances, I finally talked to my other friend and told him to let him bang her so atleast someone comes away with something.

 

Women do what they want because there's no consequences. You can't slap them or call them whores anymore to keep them in line, so women take this as carte blanche to do anything they feel.

 

Your friend J asked a girl out to the movies but made the retarded mistake of bringing you and some guy named Timothy. Getting girls is like fishing, just because she bit the bait didn't mean the hook had been set. So she bit his bait then she went over to Tims bait and he pulled and set the hook and had a good time reeling her in and then eating her!

 

I would never ask a girl out I liked and then bring a long other people. Especialy not a good looking guy. I would have also wooped Timothys ass if he stole a girl away from me!

 

I'm sorry that the reality of my life sounds depressing.

 

I don't just go to bars. I'm not going to a bar tonight; it's a music venue. I do all sorts of social activities. My social life is very active.

 

I'm going out of town next weekend, so maybe I'll get lucky there. I've also applied for jobs in other states, so I'm trying to do something about my situation.

 

God knows I'd enjoy doing something about your situation! BAM!!

[Wolf18]

Your friend J asked a girl out to the movies but made the retarded mistake of bringing you and some guy named Timothy. Getting girls is like fishing, just because she bit the bait didn't mean the hook had been set. So she bit his bait then she went over to Tims bait and he pulled and set the hook and had a good time reeling her in and then eating her!

 

I would never ask a girl out I liked and then bring a long other people. Especialy not a good looking guy. I would have also wooped Timothys ass if he stole a girl away from me!

 

 

Duh. The funny thing is my buddy J is one of those types who doesn't think women care about looks, so he was confident that being around a better looking guy didn't matter.

 

 

In t's defense, he pretty much ignored this broad, which in turn made her even more overt. My other friend was fairly angry about it until I talked to him and said to blame the slutty hypergamous girl, not our friend, and to let him have his fan. Every dog has his day.

[Dust]

Duh. The funny thing is my buddy J is one of those types who doesn't think women care about looks, so he was confident that being around a better looking guy didn't matter.

 

 

In t's defense, he pretty much ignored this broad, which in turn made her even more overt. My other friend was fairly angry about it until I talked to him and said to blame the slutty hypergamous girl, not our friend, and to let him have his fan. Every dog has his day.

 

This scenario right here is why upset women are harder to find on this site. Don't get me wrong though every time some one starts complaining about anything from the temperature to cleanliness in real life its often and usualy a women.

 

But your scenario of your clueless friend and you adding to it! This is why men are angry...

 

Your friend was done from the moment he decided to invite people a long. There is no way it would help him. Was he to afraid to make it just the two of them? Because those were his best odds!

[Untouchable_Fire]

1. Where are all the upset ladies at? They must exist online if there are so many guys online who are bitter about the state of male-female interactions, right? Why are so many more guys complaining than women?

 

Women have different challenges, and often deal with those challenges in different ways. Honestly I find this question to be naive to the point of stupid.

 

It's like having a sign outside a restaurant stating WHITES ONLY... and here you are wondering why the black people don't eat here.

 

These guys have the wrong skin color to date (metaphor)... women very rarely have that issue. So they are sitting IN the restaurant trying to figure out what to order.

 

So... who is going to be pissed? The person who isn't even allowed in? Or the person who just can't decide what tastes good to them?

 

2. Why are guys I meet in the real world never upset or bitter about this stuff? I sometimes think how guys feel on this board and some other boards is common, but I never encounter these dudes in real life.

 

Seriously... I'm not going to tell you my problems... even if you are one of my best friends.

 

A good number of your friends are probably upset or bitter about the same things... they just don't share.

 

Hell... some of the guys I know who are crazy successful with women actually think women are worthless except for sex.

 

3. I see it as "you make the most of yourself and your situations"...But then again, maybe I do have it easier than a lot of guys...but I consider myself an average fellow anyways. Is the average guy really not doing well in his dating life?

 

Seriously... I'm so far past you in terms of life stages that I'm not sure you can understand this.

 

Getting a GF isn't that difficult for the average guy. Keeping one is quickly approaching impossible.

 

It is an undeniable fact that things are getting harder and harder for the "average" American male. nearly 60% of boys are no longer allowed to attend college. That means lower job prospects, lower earnings, lower intelligence levels. Plus they are still expected to pay for everything when it comes to dating.

 

For the above average guys... things are getting WAY better, but for those who are average or below average... they are not doing as well. That trend is going to continue, because quite frankly most women would choose to die virgins before they date down.

[kaylan]

Women have different challenges, and often deal with those challenges in different ways. Honestly I find this question to be naive to the point of stupid.

 

It's like having a sign outside a restaurant stating WHITES ONLY... and here you are wondering why the black people don't eat here.

 

These guys have the wrong skin color to date (metaphor)... women very rarely have that issue. So they are sitting IN the restaurant trying to figure out what to order.

 

So... who is going to be pissed? The person who isn't even allowed in? Or the person who just can't decide what tastes good to them?

Bad metaphor.

 

Women have trouble finding the right guy to be exclusive to, but sex is easy. Average guys could easily find girlfriends, but casual sex is harder. Reason being is everyone has their own set of standards when it comes to both situations.

 

Its just that generally men are as picky about relationships as women are about sex. I find it hard to believe that guys on this site never get any attention. Even during my most driest of spells, when I dont seek women out at all, and dress the part of a uncaring bum, I still had a couple of interested gals...but they werent my type at all though.

 

 

Seriously... I'm not going to tell you my problems... even if you are one of my best friends.

 

A good number of your friends are probably upset or bitter about the same things... they just don't share.

I dunno...I have had a few close male friends...and they never complained like I see guys do online. My best friends never have ever to be honest. They focused more on work and school, and would just run into women. There was never a shortage really, and these are average dudes. Run of the mill every day people.

 

Maybe the guys I usually surround myself with are just different from what I see online. Because Ive never really been friends with guys who went super long with girlfriends or action of any kind.

Hell... some of the guys I know who are crazy successful with women actually think women are worthless except for sex.

Sucks for those guys. They prolly had a run in with a bad lady and arent looking to be vulnerable again. Either way they remind me of the girls who see guys as nothing for than money and good time out at night. It is what it is.

 

 

Seriously... I'm so far past you in terms of life stages that I'm not sure you can understand this.

 

Getting a GF isn't that difficult for the average guy. Keeping one is quickly approaching impossible.

I dunno about that. I know a good number of dudes with girlfriends. Some whove had them for a long time now too.

 

Its as hard to keep a boyfriend as it is a girlfriend. With what I hear women say on this site, and from what my chick friends tell me, some guys are hard to keep interested.

 

It really depends on the person. Some people want to be with you, and some dont care and wont put in the effort.

It is an undeniable fact that things are getting harder and harder for the "average" American male. nearly 60% of boys are no longer allowed to attend college. That means lower job prospects, lower earnings, lower intelligence levels. Plus they are still expected to pay for everything when it comes to dating.

Do you have credible sources for this assertion regarding college? I would love to see a study that shows men are not being allowed to attend college. The fact is that more men are choosing not to attend college, while more women are. I cant see how things are getting harder and harder for the average American male.

 

If some guys choose not to go to school, less earnings is their own fault. Noone is stopping them from attending. And noone is forcing men to pay for dates. I NEVER pay for dates until Im exclusive with a girl, but often get shamed by men for this. There as many men as women who expect to keep that old school gender role in affect when its silly.

 

But people are products of their environments...so I cant blame them too much for those beliefs.

For the above average guys... things are getting WAY better, but for those who are average or below average... they are not doing as well. That trend is going to continue, because quite frankly most women would choose to die virgins before they date down.

Again...I am your average guy...and Ive never felt things were against my favor. So I dunno what to tell you. Im as average as average gets, and my dating life doesnt bother me...so im maybe we need to define what exactly average is.

 

And when it comes to dating down, lets not pretend guys dont complain about picky women despite their own pickiness...especially when it comes to looks. It really all depends on the person. Ive seen threads here where women are basically supporting their guys...how is that not dating down in your use of the term?

Edited January 8, 2012 by kaylan

[Taramere]

Women do what they want because there's no consequences. You can't slap them or call them whores anymore to keep them in line, so women take this as carte blanche to do anything they feel.

 

People who think that way are major failures.

 

I worked in children's homes years ago, and I saw how ineffective angry and potentially violent people are. Male or female, resident or staff member...it's all the same. They lack the skills to confront and handle conflict...and violent words or behaviour is their attempt to cover for that ineffectiveness. For the lack of respect they command from other people.

 

Somebody asked what MRM was. Men's Rights Movement. I support a man's right not to be abused by his spouse or in his workplace or in whatever other form abuse takes. I don't, however, support a man's "right" to control other people. Whether through threats, violence or abuse of the legal system in an attempt to teach somebody else a lesson (as opposed to getting a fair deal through the courts).

 

Some of the guys here very rightly say that if a woman expects them to drive her to another man's house to have sex with that other man they'll ditch her at the speed of light. In other words, they're not interested in being used and manipulated like that.

 

You, on the other hand, want to be able to slap women around in a futile attempt to command some respect. That's the difference between a man whose focus is on managing himself (and gaining the respect of others through managing his own behaviour rather than allowing himself to be controlled/manipulated) and a man whose focus is on trying to control other people.

 

It's the latter that will lead to the kind of bitterness this thread is considering. People who can't even control themselves believing they should be put in control of others and failing to understand why others disagree and don't extend to them the respect they think they should command.

[lululucy]

Women generally have a wide social circle in the "real" world with whom they can discuss their intimate relationship problems/frustrations whereas men tend not to share with just anyone, making anonymous internet posting very alluring.

[Wolf18]

This scenario right here is why upset women are harder to find on this site. Don't get me wrong though every time some one starts complaining about anything from the temperature to cleanliness in real life its often and usualy a women.

 

But your scenario of your clueless friend and you adding to it! This is why men are angry...

 

Your friend was done from the moment he decided to invite people a long. There is no way it would help him. Was he to afraid to make it just the two of them? Because those were his best odds!

 

 

Really though, it's the guys own damn fault.

 

Over here people tell you you ought to be confident despite all common sense and logic. Women in general always act different when they're around guys they find "Hot", even if they're with their boyfriend or husband, you just have to look out for subtle female signs/flirting. If a guy does anything like that, you better believe women will let him know about it.

 

People who think that way are major failures.

 

I worked in children's homes years ago, and I saw how ineffective angry and potentially violent people are. Male or female, resident or staff member...it's all the same. They lack the skills to confront and handle conflict...and violent words or behaviour is their attempt to cover for that ineffectiveness. For the lack of respect they command from other people.

 

Somebody asked what MRM was. Men's Rights Movement. I support a man's right not to be abused by his spouse or in his workplace or in whatever other form abuse takes. I don't, however, support a man's "right" to control other people. Whether through threats, violence or abuse of the legal system in an attempt to teach somebody else a lesson (as opposed to getting a fair deal through the courts).

 

Some of the guys here very rightly say that if a woman expects them to drive her to another man's house to have sex with that other man they'll ditch her at the speed of light. In other words, they're not interested in being used and manipulated like that.

 

You, on the other hand, want to be able to slap women around in a futile attempt to command some respect. That's the difference between a man whose focus is on managing himself (and gaining the respect of others through managing his own behaviour rather than allowing himself to be controlled/manipulated) and a man whose focus is on trying to control other people.

 

It's the latter that will lead to the kind of bitterness this thread is considering. People who can't even control themselves believing they should be put in control of others and failing to understand why others disagree and don't extend to them the respect they think they should command. [/Quote]

 

Fact is , when women abuse men it's because we let them. Men as a group are mentally and physically stronger than women, women get away with everything because they got Uncle Sam swooping in on his white horse every time someone makes a harmless comment about some chicks ass at work or gives a deranged woman that likes to punch men an equality haymaker .

[Anela]

*waves* I'm right here, but most of us tend to be nicer about things.