Ninjainpajamas Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Women tend to ask me "Why can't some men be faithful or settle down with one woman?" or "Why are they never satisfied and wanting something more...the next best thing?" I always respond with "There are two types of men: those who can, and those who cannot" You see women tend to want those men in the category of "can". And that's what they don't realize, yet it's a double edged sword. If you end up with a man who CAN, then why in the world is this guy going to roll over and throw it all away to be with less than perfect you? And regardless...a man who can is less likely to feel the need to stop while he's on fire. Now I would say that the men who have a high ability of can is probably 20 percent or less maybe. I'm talking about the highly desirable in terms of a woman's checklist...so let's go down that shall we! Super entitled female checklist for perfect prince charming man 1) Good looking (gold trait) If you're good looking then already your life will be much much easier than the rest of men out there. Looks get your foot in the door automatically for at least a chance, and cover for you being a complete douchebag where as if you were ugly and acted the same way you'd be turned down flat. 2) Tall (gold trait) Every woman wants to wear heels for some reason on a dating site, even if they only do it two times out of the year. Yet they still seem to be really concerned with height. Many women will turn you down for not being in the range of 5'10 and up or taller. 3) Funny (gold trait) If you can be funny you can probably win over a woman even if you are a little short and on the unattractive side. This is something however most men to not do well....they are either cheesy, overtly dorky and laugh at their own jokes more than anyone else is. 4) Money/Career (balance tipper trait) This can flop all around, this might be more attractive than tall, handsome but probably can't beat funny as women like to laugh but as a whole this is definitely a game changer. If you have it the better options you'll have, because a woman sees a secure nest and comforting lifestyle for the kids you'll be raising for her. But mainly with older women who's eggs are drying up and their looking for a man to shack up with and help take care of them as their faces and boobies melt looooooooooooooow to tha floooooooooo. 4) Intelligence/education (supplement trait) Women like men who talk about some of the deeper things in life...like what time does CSI come on tv? Even though I mean let's face it who really wants to talk to a woman about something intelligent? ok ok fine! maybe sometimes. However If you can pretend to be somewhat smart and not a total idiot it can pass for a lot, it makes them feel less stupid for being with you even if you are incompetent or a douche. 5) Charm/Chivarly (supplement trait) I would say most guys have hard time pulling this off, and I'm not really sure why. Women are like cats, not dogs, yet men like to sprint towards them tail waving and tongue flapping, only to wonder why said woman is not embracing them with open arms. So that's the in a nutshell list! Trust the list could go on and on forever and for many women they do. But the point is...choose how many of those qualities you have out of that list for simplistic state. Gold traits - obviously high value, all 3 generally required to be a CAN man under normal circumstances, however some men have learned to compensate for the height attribute, although usually within a group or setting of common interest people/town folk. Balance tipper trait - This can help you greatly depending on how successful you are in life or well known. The variable is high though and may account for a lot to some women and little for others. Supplement trait - most women find these traits as secondary even if they pretend they are gold, however many will NOT count them as gold without the others to back them up they are worthless in value which is why they are only supplemental at best. Results: (1-2) Unless you have two gold traits you are in huge trouble. And even with two, your range will be limited, you need more supplemental traits to be stronger. You should target women specific to your interest. (3) Unless you attain three gold traits here you are going to do average. With three gold you have a potential to do quite well, but you'll still primarily have to work for it, unless you go for women considerably less attractive than you. If you attain two supplemental traits your expectations should be below average without the balance tipper to make you appear at least safe and secure. But generally a woman will not be in love with you, they'll just like you a lot or love you in a friend kind of way. (4-5) These are generally the CAN men and the small percentage who have the combination of traits that most women find themselves immediately interested in. If you attain 5 your playing field pretty much opens up to anyone, anywhere. Go anywhere and you'll find yourself a woman fairly easily. With 4, especially if they are all gold you will do well. If you're missing a gold ack, you may be wounded but can still inflict many casualties on the enemy soldier! So if you have 3 gold in there you're set, with one gold missing someone will likely look over you just for that quality. But you should be able to help that in many cases otherwise. Now unfortunately from what I've been reading and just what is realistic most guys on this forum and in real life are not the CAN type of men. They don't have options, they don't have the aptitude in dating because they haven't had the privilege to gain the experience. A CAN guy gains a lot of experience quickly because they start dating young, they make all the stupid makes and do all the dumb things that turn women off in their teens and early 20's. By the time a CAN man is in his late 20's, he's a refined woman eating machine. He knows exactly what to do and what not to do, probably better than average in bed as he's had more sex and much more comfortable around women because he has been around women for a long time. However this is the problem for women. They think that these guys are going to turn over and give them the world...why would they? they don't need to get married, why do you buy the cow when the milk is free, and when one cows milk spoils you can just get another one? Women are like "Ugh, oh bleh, so disgusting...why can't they just settle down and be good men...faithful, trusting, and committed and treat men well" because they don't HAVE to. They've got nothing to lose! So the next time you're drilling one of these "nice" guys for not having the moves or skills you should tell them, you should be happy not complaining else I'd never settle for the likes of you! The problem with women is they do not look in the mirror either when choosing men. Every woman are earth because their family and friends tell them; - Beautiful....even if she looks like Fiona from shrek - Entitled...to a great man that treats her like the princess she is - Caring...because caring always make up for several layers of fat! - Loving...I mean really? loving? because you can love a man that makes you somehow unique? - Skinny...at least skinnier than anyone would admit, this is why you get curvy when the girl is more like wavy So basically in their little world she is perfect, and therefore you the average joe should try desperately to win over her affections even If she's neglected herself, a bitch or doesn't anywhere meet a long list of qualities that a men would dream up if he turned the tables on her. Closing For you men out there having a hard time, don't listen to women and the bull****, the truth is written on this mighty post. Don't let women guilt you into you not seeing them for who they really are and you're supposed to have this or that because in the end you deserve to be yourself as well. This whole woman entitlement thing goes way too far and it's gotten to their heads! Don't take advice from women on how to date other women either, ask men that know how and know better. Women will turn you into a nice guy that will never get laid. Be yourself, increase your skills and qualities with what you can, and develop a "I don't really give a ****" kinda attitude, because when you're old and grey no one is going to give a damn about anything you did right now...In fact these are probably the years you will reflect on as being your best when you were young. Now...look at the bunny ---->
Philosoraptor Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I think you need to date women with a higher maturity level.
ThaWholigan Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 LOL If this post was less doom-mongering and "women hive-mind" theorising, this would have been better. Still an entertaining post nonetheless. I think we need to encourage the idea that men can still attain these goals and (barring some great gene flaw inherited) become good looking too.
somedude81 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) Sadly, I can't disagree with any of it. I'm short, average looking, and not that funny. And I have never been in a relationship. What else needs to be said? I also completely agree with this part. Now unfortunately from what I've been reading and just what is realistic most guys on this forum and in real life are not the CAN type of men. They don't have options, they don't have the aptitude in dating because they haven't had the privilege to gain the experience. A CAN guy gains a lot of experience quickly because they start dating young, they make all the stupid makes and do all the dumb things that turn women off in their teens and early 20's. By the time a CAN man is in his late 20's, he's a refined woman eating machine. He knows exactly what to do and what not to do, probably better than average in bed as he's had more sex and much more comfortable around women because he has been around women for a long time.As it stands right now, I have no experience and at 30 years old, don't have a clue how women work. If I was able to start dating when I was young, I'd be very different from how I am now. Edited January 5, 2012 by somedude81
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 This is one of the best and most honest posts I've ever seen. Women really aren't all that hard to figure out.
Eve Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Ok, I wonder how many people in happy relationships would agree? How many 'points' would your partner hit on the list? Let's test this **** out. Take care, Eve x
Janesays Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 To the guys who are cheering this post, I have a question: Do you have trouble connecting to EVERYONE on an emotional level? Or just women? Because it just seems weird to me how you characterize people as 'options,' 'cows,' 'traits,' etc, etc. As if the person you are talking about is nothing more than a vessel to dump your cum in (at best) or an abstract list of facts and figures (at worst). It makes me feel sad for you because you're missing out on the very best of life. Connecting to another person. Loving another person. Sharing, trusting, knowing that this woman (or man) you've chosen to spend your life with totally GETS you, will have your back ALWAYS, understands you, respects you, makes you laugh, brightens your day, brings joy into your life, helps you build a wonderful future, and ultimately dies by your side. Don't you understand how absolutely FUN it is to be madly in love? Have you ever laid down with someone you adored and spent the day in bed just holding each other? Caressing each other? Have you ever passed by something innocuous on a sidewalk and smiled to yourself because it reminded you of a private joke you share with your love? Have you ever thought to yourself, "I can't wait to tell her that!" Have you ever had a truly miserable day and known deep in your gut that only a hug and kiss from your girl would make you feel better? No? Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. And that's why you'll always be alone. Even if you manage to lure some 'cows' into your bed, in your heart, you'll always always always be alone. I feel sad for you.
lululucy Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Ok, I wonder how many people in happy relationships would agree? How many 'points' would your partner hit on the list? Let's test this **** out. Take care, Eve x Very good looking, tall (according to this "over 5'10" stipulation), not really funny, smart but not formally educated, not in the career he wants and has lots of his money tied up so we spend most of our dates at home, not particularly charming although he is very sweet, and chivalrous like .. 50% of the time. Darn looks like I should dump him. Thanks OP! It makes me feel sad for you because you're missing out on the very best of life. Connecting to another person. Loving another person. Sharing, trusting, knowing that this woman (or man) you've chosen to spend your life with totally GETS you, will have your back ALWAYS, understands you, respects you, makes you laugh, brightens your day, brings joy into your life, helps you build a wonderful future, and ultimately dies by your side. Don't you understand how absolutely FUN it is to be madly in love? Have you ever laid down with someone you adored and spent the day in bed just holding each other? Caressing each other? Have you ever passed by something innocuous on a sidewalk and smiled to yourself because it reminded you of a private joke you share with your love? Have you ever thought to yourself, "I can't wait to tell her that!" Have you ever had a truly miserable day and known deep in your gut that only a hug and kiss from your girl would make you feel better? No? Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. And that's why you'll always be alone. Even if you manage to lure some 'cows' into your bed, in your heart, you'll always always always be alone. I feel sad for you. amen to all of that.
Dust Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 A good read but hardly a universal truth. Women tend to ask me "Why can't some men be faithful or settle down with one woman?" or "Why are they never satisfied and wanting something more...the next best thing?" I always respond with "There are two types of men: those who can, and those who cannot" When women start asking me crap like that they'll be lucky if I say anything seriouse. I'm a man who can and I would gladly settle down with a woman if she just stayed respectful which includes everything from not nagging me to continuing to have regular sex. I agree when your on fire and you have multiple beautiful women who you know you could be doing things with and see no end in site it is bitter sweet to settle down and invest yourself in one person. The thing is its also grat and fun to find that one person you want to spend all that time with. You gotta love the honey moon phase right! Even after the honey moon phase ends men love routine and building a history. To have that girl who knows you and you know her is a great feeling. Of course it will all come apart if you guys start fighting all the time or sex disapears or what ever... But those who can and those who can't hardly explains it all. You see women tend to want those men in the category of "can". And that's what they don't realize' date=' yet it's a double edged sword.[/quote'] Wouldn't getting the girl make you a guy who "can" so of course they end up with guys who "can" if them just being with that guy makes them a guy who can. I mean settlings never a good idea. I mean it's olright if we think they are settling. But they can't actively say to themselves boy that man is a loser we'd be real happy togather. If you end up with a man who CAN, then why in the world is this guy going to roll over and throw it all away to be with less than perfect you? And regardless...a man who can is less likely to feel the need to stop while he's on fire. Now I would say that the men who have a high ability of can is probably 20 percent or less maybe. I'm talking about the highly desirable in terms of a woman's checklist...so let's go down that shall we!. I woud say men who do really well with women is like 1%. Even if it is as high as 20% there are more young women dating then 20%. Lots of fish in the sea. There are more men dating the 20%. Why break it down into percents... Super entitled female checklist for perfect prince charming man 1) Good looking (gold trait) If you're good looking then already your life will be much much easier than the rest of men out there. Looks get your foot in the door automatically for at least a chance, and cover for you being a complete douchebag where as if you were ugly and acted the same way you'd be turned down flat. 2) Tall (gold trait) Every woman wants to wear heels for some reason on a dating site, even if they only do it two times out of the year. Yet they still seem to be really concerned with height. Many women will turn you down for not being in the range of 5'10 and up or taller. 3) Funny (gold trait) If you can be funny you can probably win over a woman even if you are a little short and on the unattractive side. This is something however most men to not do well....they are either cheesy, overtly dorky and laugh at their own jokes more than anyone else is. 4) Money/Career (balance tipper trait) This can flop all around, this might be more attractive than tall, handsome but probably can't beat funny as women like to laugh but as a whole this is definitely a game changer. If you have it the better options you'll have, because a woman sees a secure nest and comforting lifestyle for the kids you'll be raising for her. But mainly with older women who's eggs are drying up and their looking for a man to shack up with and help take care of them as their faces and boobies melt looooooooooooooow to tha floooooooooo. 4) Intelligence/education (supplement trait) Women like men who talk about some of the deeper things in life...like what time does CSI come on tv? Even though I mean let's face it who really wants to talk to a woman about something intelligent? ok ok fine! maybe sometimes. However If you can pretend to be somewhat smart and not a total idiot it can pass for a lot, it makes them feel less stupid for being with you even if you are incompetent or a douche. 5) Charm/Chivarly (supplement trait) I would say most guys have hard time pulling this off, and I'm not really sure why. Women are like cats, not dogs, yet men like to sprint towards them tail waving and tongue flapping, only to wonder why said woman is not embracing them with open arms. Yes women have lists whether they admit it or not but so do guys. The women who literally have a check list with gold traits etc are probably not doing so well with men. Kind of women who rejects the guys they could be happy with and always looking. Some times some one can be perfect to you even if they arn't perfect on paper. Men and women would do better with out check lists. So that's the in a nutshell list! Trust the list could go on and on forever and for many women they do. But the point is...choose how many of those qualities you have out of that list for simplistic state... ... ...Closing For you men out there having a hard time, don't listen to women and the bull****, the truth is written on this mighty post. Don't let women guilt you into you not seeing them for who they really are and you're supposed to have this or that because in the end you deserve to be yourself as well. This whole woman entitlement thing goes way too far and it's gotten to their heads! Don't take advice from women on how to date other women either, ask men that know how and know better. Women will turn you into a nice guy that will never get laid. Be yourself, increase your skills and qualities with what you can, and develop a "I don't really give a ****" kinda attitude, because when you're old and grey no one is going to give a damn about anything you did right now...In fact these are probably the years you will reflect on as being your best when you were young. Now...look at the bunny ----> Now look at the bunny haha. Look like I said a good read! But hardly realistic. The last thing guys on this site need to do is Judge themselves and worry about women judging them. You don't need a list and you certainly don't need to do well with women. When I was a boy I never said to myself when I grow up I want to do well with women. When I was growing up and a teenager there was a time when I would have loved to just go around screwing a bunch of girls. Now that I'm a grown man I could care less about doing well with massive ammounts of women. As long as I can always find one when I'm single I'll be fine. As for your list most men even ugly ones can have the same powere you say women have and look at themselves even if they are "Shrek" and find them selves good looking and tall even if they arn't. You can think you're fun and funny even if most women wouldn 't agree. Heck the funnest things I know most women wouldn't think are fun. You end with be yourself and develop an "I don't give a sht" attitude. Well wouldn't that include not worrying about or thinking about a list? Any way good read I just don't agree but thanks!
Woggle Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 To the guys who are cheering this post, I have a question: Do you have trouble connecting to EVERYONE on an emotional level? Or just women? Because it just seems weird to me how you characterize people as 'options,' 'cows,' 'traits,' etc, etc. As if the person you are talking about is nothing more than a vessel to dump your cum in (at best) or an abstract list of facts and figures (at worst). It makes me feel sad for you because you're missing out on the very best of life. Connecting to another person. Loving another person. Sharing, trusting, knowing that this woman (or man) you've chosen to spend your life with totally GETS you, will have your back ALWAYS, understands you, respects you, makes you laugh, brightens your day, brings joy into your life, helps you build a wonderful future, and ultimately dies by your side. Don't you understand how absolutely FUN it is to be madly in love? Have you ever laid down with someone you adored and spent the day in bed just holding each other? Caressing each other? Have you ever passed by something innocuous on a sidewalk and smiled to yourself because it reminded you of a private joke you share with your love? Have you ever thought to yourself, "I can't wait to tell her that!" Have you ever had a truly miserable day and known deep in your gut that only a hug and kiss from your girl would make you feel better? No? Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. And that's why you'll always be alone. Even if you manage to lure some 'cows' into your bed, in your heart, you'll always always always be alone. I feel sad for you. In reality how many women these days actually treat men that well?
Janesays Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 In reality how many women these days actually treat men that well? How many do you need? In all reality, just one.
Woggle Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 How many do you need? In all reality, just one. I have a woman like that but good luck to any man trying to find a relationship like that.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 To the guys who are cheering this post, I have a question: Do you have trouble connecting to EVERYONE on an emotional level? Or just women? Because it just seems weird to me how you characterize people as 'options,' 'cows,' 'traits,' etc, etc. As if the person you are talking about is nothing more than a vessel to dump your cum in (at best) or an abstract list of facts and figures (at worst). It makes me feel sad for you because you're missing out on the very best of life. Connecting to another person. Loving another person. Sharing, trusting, knowing that this woman (or man) you've chosen to spend your life with totally GETS you, will have your back ALWAYS, understands you, respects you, makes you laugh, brightens your day, brings joy into your life, helps you build a wonderful future, and ultimately dies by your side. Don't you understand how absolutely FUN it is to be madly in love? Have you ever laid down with someone you adored and spent the day in bed just holding each other? Caressing each other? Have you ever passed by something innocuous on a sidewalk and smiled to yourself because it reminded you of a private joke you share with your love? Have you ever thought to yourself, "I can't wait to tell her that!" Have you ever had a truly miserable day and known deep in your gut that only a hug and kiss from your girl would make you feel better? No? Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. And that's why you'll always be alone. Even if you manage to lure some 'cows' into your bed, in your heart, you'll always always always be alone. I feel sad for you. No way, I may seem like a jerk, but I'm actually very sensitive in some ways and love connecting to other humans. I have a couple of friends, I consider them like my brothers and we are very close. I have no problem connecting with other people, even strangers, unlike many of the people on this forum with social retardation/aspergers/etc. Problem is , is that if I don't possess many of the traits in the OP, women won't want to connect with me. All the stuff you talk about women feeling happens only after you pass the original test and have them conquered. Until then, most women will either ignore you or treat you like crap. NagNagNagNagNagnag I'm a human woman with feeeewings! NagNagNagNagnagnag It doesn't change the fact that a guy who isn't good looking, well off, muscular, famous, or tall will be invisible to you Jane. Very good looking, tall (according to this "over 5'10" stipulation), not really funny, smart but not formally educated, not in the career he wants and has lots of his money tied up so we spend most of our dates at home, not particularly charming although he is very sweet, and chivalrous like .. 50% of the time. Darn looks like I should dump him. Thanks OP! [/Quote] Very good looking, tall, has lots of money "tied up " (in stocks?? That's still his wealth) Yes, he passes the test.
jobaba Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Haha. Funny stuff. I score between a 3 and a 4 somewhere. I also would not call being tall and funny gold traits. Being good looking is the only gold trait. Women would take Tommy Cruise over Tim Robbins any day.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 The lovey dovey types are the worst. Call me negative, call me a meanie bobeenie, but in a room full of men, I can tell you which one will be most attractive to women ...with a calculator. How much money they make a year X how many of their abs are visible + how tall they are + cheekbone width = who the women will crowd in a room.
jobaba Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 To the guys who are cheering this post, I have a question: No? Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. And that's why you'll always be alone. Even if you manage to lure some 'cows' into your bed, in your heart, you'll always always always be alone. I feel sad for you. In fairness, I think the bitterest guys on this forum are that way because once upon a time they truly appreciated at least one woman (perhaps a few) as a real person, saw her inner attributes and were thus attracted to her, and were subsequently friendzoned because they were not attractive enough for her. I can squarely say this is the source of most of my bitterness, not getting shot down by some J-Lo lookalike at Club Zen III. But a real woman who treats you well can make those feelings subside, at least somewhat...
lululucy Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I have a woman like that but good luck to any man trying to find a relationship like that. Point is, you found that. People find that kind of relationship all the time. Not by looking like people as statistics. Very good looking, tall, has lots of money "tied up " (in stocks?? That's still his wealth) Yes, he passes the test. Sorry, I should have said that differently. A lot of his money is tied up (in home equity) but it isn't a lot to begin with. He makes more than me but I'm a student with two part time jobs and he works full time and has a mortgage. We go out like 1 or 2 times a month because he doesn't like me having to pay (I'm more than happy to) and the rest of the time we do things for free or just hang out. The lovey dovey types are the worst. Call me negative, call me a meanie bobeenie, but in a room full of men, I can tell you which one will be most attractive to women ...with a calculator. How much money they make a year X how many of their abs are visible + how tall they are + cheekbone width = who the women will crowd in a room. hahaha That doesn't = successful relationship though dude. I've dated a lot of attractive a-holes and that allure fades fast.
Janesays Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 All the stuff you talk about women feeling happens only after you pass the original test and have them conquered. Until then, most women will either ignore you or treat you like crap. Women are individuals. Not 'things' that need to be 'conquered.' Your language betrays your thinking and I'm trying to make you understand that may be your problem. Maybe if you quit treating an entire sex of human beings as the enemy, you'd be open to an emotional connection with one? Personally, I don't treat anyone like crap. I'm a nice person. I am not the only nice person in the world. Heck, I'm not the only nice person in this room right now! It doesn't change the fact that a guy who isn't good looking, well off, muscular, famous, or tall will be invisible to you Jane. Good looking? Subjective. There are women out there who would think you were as sexy as hell. Some would think you are hideous. True story. Well off? I'm well off. Significantly well off. A man's income is irrelevant to me. Muscular? HA! No. Meat heads not my type. Famous? Oh, God no. Tall? I'm 5ft. EVERYONE is tall to me. You could be 5'3 and I'd look at you as if you were a giant. See? You judged me as a 'evil superficial overly entitled cow/option, gaaarrrr!' And not a person. Not a human. Not an individual. And you were WRONG. I wonder how many times that has happened to you in real life? I wonder if that's why you're not connecting with a woman?
verhrzn Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) No way, I may seem like a jerk, but I'm actually very sensitive in some ways and love connecting to other humans. I have a couple of friends, I consider them like my brothers and we are very close. I have no problem connecting with other people, even strangers, unlike many of the people on this forum with social retardation/aspergers/etc. Problem is , is that if I don't possess many of the traits in the OP, women won't want to connect with me. You mention connecting only with other men. Are you friends, even casual friends, with women at all? Do you connect on a level that isn't about sex when the other person is a woman? Do you love anyone like a sister? Jane's point was that guys like you only see women as objects, as vessels, at an extreme point, as something that is another species, that isn't even human. Do you have trouble connecting to EVERYONE on an emotional level? Or just women? Because it just seems weird to me how you characterize people as 'options,' 'cows,' 'traits,' etc, etc. As if the person you are talking about is nothing more than a vessel to dump your cum in (at best) or an abstract list of facts and figures (at worst). Then I'm going to venture a guess here....it's probably because you don't see WOMEN. You see two dimensional characters. You see lists of traits. You don't see individuals. You don't see human beings. So you saying you have close MALE friends doesn't actually disprove her point. Edited January 5, 2012 by verhrzn
Untouchable_Fire Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 You mention connecting only with other men. Are you friends, even casual friends, with women at all? Do you connect on a level that isn't about sex when the other person is a woman? Do you love anyone like a sister? Jane's point was that guys like you only see women as objects, as vessels, at an extreme point, as something that is another species, that isn't even human. There is a difference between talking about women "in general" and talking about a specific woman. It's pretty common for guys to seem very cold, calculating, and logical when talking in general about women. But once you begin talking about a particular woman specifically... you will hear a totally different attitude and manner of speaking. So, Jane's point is generally without merit.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Women are individuals. Not 'things' that need to be 'conquered.' Your language betrays your thinking and I'm trying to make you understand that may be your problem. Maybe if you quit treating an entire sex of human beings as the enemy, you'd be open to an emotional connection with one?[/Quote] Well, to be honest, when I was in a better position in my life, I was able to have whatever woman I wanted and I've always had the same attitude. Ironically, it was the period of my life when I was most closed off towards a connection to a woman (out of fear of being vulnerable to what I always saw as very fickle womankind) that I got the most girls. This isn't because I was an "*******", but rather, it was because I was physically more attractive than I am now. Now that I'm wide open towards a connection to a woman, and seek to love, share, and protect, I'm not as "hot" or "hunky" as I was maybe 4 years ago, so I get burned or taken advantage of every single time. If you're going to say modern 'relationships' are all supernatural, fateful emotional experiences, then you are lying to yourself. Most people , male and female, are just looking for the hottest person they can get. Good looking? Subjective. There are women out there who would think you were as sexy as hell. Some would think you are hideous. True story. Well off? I'm well off. Significantly well off. A man's income is irrelevant to me. Muscular? HA! No. Meat heads not my type. Famous? Oh, God no. Tall? I'm 5ft. EVERYONE is tall to me. You could be 5'3 and I'd look at you as if you were a giant. See? You judged me as a 'evil superficial overly entitled cow/option, gaaarrrr!' And not a person. Not a human. Not an individual. And you were WRONG. I wonder how many times that has happened to you in real life? I wonder if that's why you're not connecting with a woman? [/Quote] Ok Jane, I guess you're the exception to all the rules, just like all the other girls I know. I'm sure the guys you date are all because of magical chemistry that cannot be explained, just like that chick in the other thread whose dating a super tall, really good looking doctor only because of his personality. You mention connecting only with other men. Are you friends, even casual friends, with women at all? Do you connect on a level that isn't about sex when the other person is a woman? Do you love anyone like a sister? Norajane's point was that guys like you only see women as objects, as vessels, at an extreme point, as something that is another species, that isn't even human. [/Quote] It's hard for me to be friends with women. Not because there are no women I like to spend time with, but rather because if a woman is cool enough to be my friend I usually want her to be more. Most women do not understand me or share any of my interests at all (including ones I've slept with), so the ones that do are very special. But I am still a man. And if I'm spending all my time with a female friend and she refuses to get with me, while putting out for another guy that calls her for a booty call once a month, yes, Im going to feel used and take issue with that. Female "friends" will always pick their lay of the week over even a male friend they've known all their lives when push comes to shove. It's biology.
Imajerk17 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 (edited) There was a great great post by Quiet Storm on Page 3 of this thread: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/t311575/ Post #33 actually. Summary: For women, it's all about how they feel. It actually doesn't have much to do with looks or money actually. That doesn't mean that women always make enlightened choices about whom to get involved with though. It's quite possible that you could be a "great catch" but still be on the wrong side of the equation when it comes to a woman's feelings. Sometimes you will lose out to someone who is better-looking and richer, but more often you will lose out to someone who is able to connect with her emotionally even if the guy doesn't have much going for him. (How many women have happily stuck it out with someone who is unemployed and who has a bunch of other problems?) Anyway, I think Quiet Storm's post does a great job reconciling the female views on this, versus the male views. Edited January 5, 2012 by Imajerk17
Janesays Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Ok Jane, I guess you're the exception to all the rules, just like all the other girls I know. I'm sure the guys you date are all because of magical chemistry that cannot be explained, just like that chick in the other thread whose dating a super tall, really good looking doctor only because of his personality. Yeah, you're right. I'm actually an entitled gold digging whore who fell for a pretty boy who treats me like garbage and cheats on me weekly. Hey, if it makes you feel better about your failed love life to think that about me, who am I to dissuade you? And on that note, I'm going to have hot monkey sex with the love of my life. Enjoy your night folks!
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