dasein Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Feminism started out as a very positive thing. If you are a marxist seeking cultural revolution in the U.S., sure, if not, no.
dasein Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Just read the below, and linking it here, because it tells the true story of feminism better than anything I could write. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erin_Pizzey
Shaun-Dro Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 It was the general assumption that a woman's place was in the home, as a maid. I agree wholly with this. Having the woman at home, cooking and cleaning all day, and of course staying sexy for the man when he comes from work just feels so freaking right to me. I know many disagree with this but real men would never deny this. I bet you if the OP settled on doing this stuff and remaining a nurse, which is a plus, she'd be off the market by now.
musemaj11 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I agree wholly with this. Having the woman at home, cooking and cleaning all day, and of course staying sexy for the man when he comes from work just feels so freaking right to me. I know many disagree with this but real men would never deny this. Im a real man. Probably more real than you are but I have no interest in a woman who intends to just stay home cooking and cleaning all day. I would rather invest in a maid instead.
musemaj11 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 And you base this assumption on what? On personal experience. You arent going to be a player if you never even had sex. Its like wanting to be in high demand for top jobs while never even had a job at 28 years old. The older you get without having experience, the higher the price you are going to pay.
irc333 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 On personal experience. You arent going to be a player if you never even had sex. Its like wanting to be in high demand for top jobs while never even had a job at 28 years old. The older you get without having experience, the higher the price you are going to pay. Oh, these are the qualifications of a PLAYER, well, that's different. Carry on.
irc333 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 On personal experience. You arent going to be a player if you never even had sex. Its like wanting to be in high demand for top jobs while never even had a job at 28 years old. The older you get without having experience, the higher the price you are going to pay. Oh, these are the qualifications of a PLAYER, well makes sense then.
Dusk1983 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 My guy's head would explode if I even asked him to read ONE post here Jesus! Best leave him to all that chopping of trees & fixing car engines then. The rest of us can get on with dissecting the complexity of 21st Century gender dynamics.
musemaj11 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Well Shaun, you're more traditional than alot of men but I like the way you think, as I'm more traditional as well and feel much more at home cleaning and baking than I do being a feminazi climbing the corporate ladder. Just because a woman chooses to live up to her potential and have a career instead of just staying home cleaning cooking and relying on someone else to feed her and provide shelter for her, doesnt mean she is a feminazi. We only live once. Everyone has the right to make her own choice in life as long as it doesnt harm others.
musemaj11 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Oh, these are the qualifications of a PLAYER, well makes sense then. A player is good with women, isnt he? Of course being a player is at the extreme end of the spectrum. But my point is that in order to be good at something, you have to have experience.
Queen Zenobia Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 First and foremost, what I mostly see here in this forum are whiney, bitter young men who are unsuccessful at meeting women and/or finding women that will have a relationship with them. I think the reason you're all seeing so much bitterness from men here on LS is because the type of guy that would post on a board like this is NOT here because he's happy and wants to shout it from the rooftops - he's here because he wants to b*tch like women do. There are very few men in the real world that would even READ a board like this, much less post on it, so I think you probably all share a commonality in that you're all the exception to that, and clearly not the rule. My guy's head would explode if I even asked him to read ONE post here, much less become a regular poster. So you guys posting here are already a bit of a different breed to begin with. Secondly, I think most of you are way too young to have even been on this earth when the Women's Movement was going on, and an awful lot of you are completely uneducated as to WHAT that movement was about. I see alot of you using it as a convenient EXCUSE for your failure to meet women, though. The Women's Movement was about women being able to make their OWN choices about contraception and their own bodies, and being taken seriously in the workplace - wanting to be respected for their career choices and also be paid at the same rate for jobs they were performing just as well as men, but were being paid alot LESS. It was about no longer being 'owned' like property by men and being able to make their own choices in life and not just being expected to be a stay-at-home brood mare for a man. I laugh my ass off every time you guys try to use the "equality" argument to justify your whining because women simply aren't interested in you. Ya'll b*itch and moan about how "Equality" has made your lives miserable but in the same breath, you'll all jump on the Women's Equality bandwagon when you want a woman to pay for her own dinner on a date with you or when you expect women to be approaching YOU all the time instead of being the one to approach them. Well, you can't suck AND blow at the same time, boys. Pick your whine and then stick with it. And for the record, these young women walking around with their phones in one hand and their bottled water or coffee in the other have no idea what the Women's Movement was all about back in the day, either. But if they're NOT responding to you boys, then maybe ya'll need to lower your expectations a bit and pursue women who are more realistically in your respective leagues. Hmmm. Well I'll be honest, I don't believe in "women's rights" or "gay rights" or "minority rights" or any of that. I believe in rights, as in the rights you have as a human that were given to you when you were born. People have a right to life, liberty and property and that's it. Most of the men on here who complain about feminism that I've read aren't talking about going back to the 1500s. Most of them have no problem with women having the right to own property, or the right to vote. They do have an issue with people saying that men had it easy up until the feminist movement, and that all men were holding all women down. Life was rough for everyone in this world up until fairly recently. It would take a very cynical person to believe that a man risking his life in a coal mine 100 years ago had it any easier than a woman forced into a stay at home mom type of situation. So on some things I think some of these men have it absolutely right about history. Now the argument about modern dating post-feminism, at least how I'm reading it, is that once women had a choice in who to date and they didn't have to rely on men for housing or income, they ended up choosing quite poorly. Men who tickled their sense of romance or adventure rather than men who were responsible and respectful if perhaps somewhat socially inept at times. And then you got a lot of single mothers whose children grow up with absentee fathers (who are either players or convicts). On the other side of the coin you have some men (the "adventurous player" types) who get lots of women meanwhile you have some socially inept virgins who struggle to get a woman to even go on a single date. I happen to disagree with some of the above argument. I don't believe that women can't be good choosers when it comes to dating, but rather many women were never raised to be good choosers. I also question whether the majority of women are simply choosing bad men or whether it's just a very noticeable minority. You're right though about many men not being to read this forum. My fiance would not be able to either.
Woggle Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I have no issue with the feminist movement up until the likes of Andrea Dworkin and Catherine Mackinnon took over. They turned it into a hate movement. I saw first hand what their brand of feminism does to people and how it destroys families. It turned my mother into a hate filled monster. This is the kind of feminism men 35 and under grew up with so understand if they don't have a positive view of the word.
Wolf18 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 First and foremost, what I mostly see here in this forum are whiney, bitter young men who are unsuccessful at meeting women and/or finding women that will have a relationship with them. I think the reason you're all seeing so much bitterness from men here on LS is because the type of guy that would post on a board like this is NOT here because he's happy and wants to shout it from the rooftops - he's here because he wants to b*tch like women do. There are very few men in the real world that would even READ a board like this, much less post on it, so I think you probably all share a commonality in that you're all the exception to that, and clearly not the rule. My guy's head would explode if I even asked him to read ONE post here, much less become a regular poster. So you guys posting here are already a bit of a different breed to begin with. [/Quote] Most guys don't go to the internet to find advice on women and dating? Statistically speaking, the type of man who uses the internet is of higher than average intelligence, that may explain why your guys head would explode. Secondly, I think most of you are way too young to have even been on this earth when the Women's Movement was going on, and an awful lot of you are completely uneducated as to WHAT that movement was about. I see alot of you using it as a convenient EXCUSE for your failure to meet women, though. The Women's Movement was about women being able to make their OWN choices about contraception and their own bodies, and being taken seriously in the workplace - wanting to be respected for their career choices and also be paid at the same rate for jobs they were performing just as well as men, but were being paid alot LESS.[/Quote] Congratulations on your success. Now everyone (male and female) gets paid half of what a man made in 1950 and instead of doing housework for your family and childrens sake, you get on your knees for a boss whose only goal is to squeeze every last drop of blood out of you. It was about no longer being 'owned' like property by men and being able to make their own choices in life and not just being expected to be a stay-at-home brood mare for a man. I laugh my ass off every time you guys try to use the "equality" argument to justify your whining because women simply aren't interested in you. Ya'll b*itch and moan about how "Equality" has made your lives miserable but in the same breath, you'll all jump on the Women's Equality bandwagon when you want a woman to pay for her own dinner on a date with you or when you expect women to be approaching YOU all the time instead of being the one to approach them. Well, you can't suck AND blow at the same time, boys. Pick your whine and then stick with it.[/Quote] Who said anything about equality? The criticism is that women have all the privileges of men without the consequences. And for the record, these young women walking around with their phones in one hand and their bottled water or coffee in the other have no idea what the Women's Movement was all about back in the day, either. But if they're NOT responding to you boys, then maybe ya'll need to lower your expectations a bit and pursue women who are more realistically in your respective leagues. Why don't women date men in their league instead of having one night stands with men above their league who will never want to commit to them? This is what men are talking about when they criticize feminisms impact on their dating lives.
Shaun-Dro Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 First and foremost, what I mostly see here in this forum are whiney, bitter young men who are unsuccessful at meeting women and/or finding women that will have a relationship with them. I think the reason you're all seeing so much bitterness from men here on LS is because the type of guy that would post on a board like this is NOT here because he's happy and wants to shout it from the rooftops - he's here because he wants to b*tch like women do. There are very few men in the real world that would even READ a board like this, much less post on it, so I think you probably all share a commonality in that you're all the exception to that, and clearly not the rule. My guy's head would explode if I even asked him to read ONE post here, much less become a regular poster. So you guys posting here are already a bit of a different breed to begin with. Secondly, I think most of you are way too young to have even been on this earth when the Women's Movement was going on, and an awful lot of you are completely uneducated as to WHAT that movement was about. I see alot of you using it as a convenient EXCUSE for your failure to meet women, though. The Women's Movement was about women being able to make their OWN choices about contraception and their own bodies, and being taken seriously in the workplace - wanting to be respected for their career choices and also be paid at the same rate for jobs they were performing just as well as men, but were being paid alot LESS. It was about no longer being 'owned' like property by men and being able to make their own choices in life and not just being expected to be a stay-at-home brood mare for a man. I laugh my ass off every time you guys try to use the "equality" argument to justify your whining because women simply aren't interested in you. Ya'll b*itch and moan about how "Equality" has made your lives miserable but in the same breath, you'll all jump on the Women's Equality bandwagon when you want a woman to pay for her own dinner on a date with you or when you expect women to be approaching YOU all the time instead of being the one to approach them. Well, you can't suck AND blow at the same time, boys. Pick your whine and then stick with it. And for the record, these young women walking around with their phones in one hand and their bottled water or coffee in the other have no idea what the Women's Movement was all about back in the day, either. But if they're NOT responding to you boys, then maybe ya'll need to lower your expectations a bit and pursue women who are more realistically in your respective leagues. I'm not pursuing any woman right now because frankly they're not worth it so you can rant at the brick wall all you want. I don't care. Women today, especially the good-looking ones, act self-entitled. You can deny that all you want, but it's the cold hard truth. Keeping women inside and working from home was the best thing since slice bread. It kept her under control. She depended on a good strong man to be there and to support the household. She respected a good, strong man and she appreciated him, the way it was originally set up. None of this appreciation is happening now because everything today has gotten so screwed up. People are walking backwards instead of forward. I would trade places with any man from the early 1900's and have my pick of a woman that would appreciate my hardwork, knows when to shut up, and not try to compete with everything I do and accomplish, because she would know her place as a woman. To me, that makes her valuable!
dasein Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 what I mostly see here in this forum are whiney, bitter young men who are unsuccessful at meeting women Polish your glasses or get a new prescription. For example, I had a good date last night and left a LTR in the summer. FYI there are just as many women here exploring dating issues as men, maybe more. he's here because he wants to b*tch like women do. Always amusing when women make derogatory comments and generalizations about women in feeble attempts to insult men. In your attempt to shame male posters here, you reveal a lack of knowledge about the history of the internet, and I'm not talking ancient, arcane history either. Just go back to the early 90s, preweb, when 95% of the population of the internet was male. Discussions on every topic were conducted via usenet groups, dating and relationships were no exception. I submit that you would not be able to sift out male internet discussion participants from non in a big room full of men, and that your contention that certain men aren't capable of participating in relationship forums is hot air. My guy's head would explode if I even asked him to read ONE post here, Sounds like a very fragile, hypersensitive man. Good on you for looking past that shortcoming to his presumed good traits. awful lot of you are completely uneducated as to WHAT that movement was about. I'm in my late 30s. I have told you -exactly- what feminism is "about" right here in this thread. Read the wikipedia article on Erin Pizzey I linked in case you missed it for a synopsis. I see alot of you using it as a convenient EXCUSE for your failure to meet women, though. My posts on feminism in this thread are wholly reactive to another poster's unsubstantiated claims about feminism. I have no problem whatsoever meeting and attracting women. The Women's Movement was about women being able to make their OWN choices about contraception and their own bodies, and being taken seriously in the workplace 1. Roe v Wade (1973) was a 7-2 decision made by a court consisting entirely of men, and since you bring it up, disproves that there ever was any patriarchy "holding women back" in terms of reproductive rights. To the contrary, women were given the "whole store" without any attention to male reproductive rights, and that sad state has caused untold damage to our society. 2. Conrtraception rights had nothing to do with feminism. Despite Margaret Sanger's early radical politics, she matured, and would likely -not- have subscribed to the tenets of 60s marxist feminism. Of course the feminists coopted her anyway in creating an illusionary "first wave" of feminism. Men invented the pill, and had there been a real patriarchy, it would have been banned. It was not, so that's just another piece of evidence disproving the patriarchy lie. A full court of men in Griswold V Connecticut legalized the pill in 1965... prefeminism. LOL. 3. Women have always been "taken seriously" in the workplace. When the elite university Marxists created feminism in the 60s, the service industry was tiny in the U.S., the size of the white collar economy was negligible, and a vast majority of Americans still worked in agriculture, factories, heavy construction and mining. Technology had only started to advance to the point where women could even attempt those kinds of physically demanding jobs, but the overarching truth then was that there were few careers and many dangerous, exhausting jobs. Men weren't going off to frolic in high rises in the city while leaving their wives at home in menial drudgery. One of my grandmothers worked, my mother worked, most of their female friends worked... prefeminism. 4. Wage gap lie - Women have been paid the same as men for the same work. If you eschew dangerous work, technically difficult work, fulltime work, and if you leave the workplace to have children (or perfect a golf swing) you WILL make less than someone who made other choices. This is an inescapable fact of the value of labor in the marketplace. If there ever was a wage gap, it certainly hasn't existed for a long time. It was about no longer being 'owned' like property by men and being able to make their own choices in life and not just being expected to be a stay-at-home brood mare for a man. Lawlz... absurd and thoroughly dishonest. Ya'll b*itch and moan about how "Equality" has made your lives miserable but in the same breath, you'll all jump on the Women's Equality bandwagon when you want a woman to pay for her own dinner on a date with you or when you expect women to be approaching YOU all the time instead of being the one to approach them. Well, you can't suck AND blow at the same time, boys. Pick your whine and then stick with it. Straw man, but since you bring it up. Feminism has never been about equality, but rather political and social advantages for women without tradeoffs, vilifying men and discrimination against men. It has gone on now for decades. It is an evil, factional doctrine of the type our founding fathers warned about all the way back to the Federalist Papers. And for the record, these young women walking around with their phones in one hand and their bottled water or coffee in the other have no idea what the Women's Movement was all about back in the day, either. Yeah, that's obvious.
Wolf18 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I also don't know where people get this idea that women were completely powerless in the past. My grandfather was a real manly guy. Farmer, hunter, never backed down from a fist fight, lived breathed and gave everything he had for his family. Yet, even in old age he always deferred to his wife. Every time somebody would ask him about the family, he'd simply say "talk to my wife", a lot of times my grandma would decide who needed what, when the TV or refrigerator got replaced, what guests would get invited to parties, etc, housewives controlled the logistics of the house . Oh yeah, and women went to college and worked 100 years ago too. They just didn't have any special government mandated treatment for having a vagina. The new "freedom" is nothing but an illusion.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 dasein, listening to you on the subject of feminism would be comparable to turning to Hermann Goering for factual information about Judaism. Anyone who wants to learn about the history of feminism can take a few moments of time off from LoveShack and do some Internet research on their own.
dasein Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Anyone who wants to learn about the history of feminism can take a few moments of time off from LoveShack and do some Internet research on their own. Okie dokey... http://www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/destrctn.htm What say you, Chaucer?
dasein Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Hmmm. Well I'll be honest, I don't believe in "women's rights" or "gay rights" or "minority rights" or any of that. I believe in rights, as in the rights you have as a human that were given to you when you were born. Such a beautiful, simple idea, the rule of law, and the deviation from it, factional politics of polarization and victimization, so vile and destructive.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Okie dokey... http://www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/destrctn.htm What say you, Chaucer? Nice. But I was suggesting that they do their Internet research ON THEIR OWN, if they want to learn about feminism, without being pointed to information that supports the point of view that you espouse.
Feelsgoodman Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 Okie dokey... http://www.fathersforlife.org/pizzey/destrctn.htm What say you, Chaucer? I think she's trying to say that if you want to learn about feminism, you have to get your information from feminist sources. Just like you would, naturally, turn to the Nazi ministry of propaganda if you wanted to learn about fascism (since we are on the subject of Nazi analogies...)
Wolf18 Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 LOL, the Nazis have been dead and buried in the ground for half a century, why are you guys blaming them for feminism? If you want to blame someone for feminism blame communists and the Frankfurt school. Blame capitalists and their willingness to destroy the traditional family just to turn a profit. Homosexuals seem to play a huge role in empowered woman culture, where they inform women what men and women should look like or where they design their fashion. Seems like every oppressive entity has their fingers in the feminism pie, for different reasons but support it none the less.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 I think she's trying to say that if you want to learn about feminism, you have to get your information from feminist sources. Just like you would, naturally, turn to the Nazi ministry of propaganda if you wanted to learn about fascism (since we are on the subject of Nazi analogies...) No. What I am saying (clearly! no translation needed!) is that a person who wants to learn about something should not use a vocal hater of that thing as their go-to source for information and direction for material. I think this is easy to understand, but maybe that's just because I am so extra smart. The Internet is a vast source for information and an inquisitive person can seek and find all kinds of perspectives on anything.
Mme. Chaucer Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 If you want to blame someone for feminism blame communists and the Frankfurt school. Blame capitalists and their willingness to destroy the traditional family just to turn a profit. Homosexuals seem to play a huge role in empowered woman culture, where they inform women what men and women should look like or where they design their fashion. Seems like every oppressive entity has their fingers in the feminism pie, for different reasons but support it none the less. So, you "blame" capitalists, communists, and gay people for the existence of feminism? That's novel. Why are you "blaming" at all?
dasein Posted January 8, 2012 Posted January 8, 2012 But I was suggesting that they do their Internet research ON THEIR OWN, if they want to learn about feminism, without being pointed to information that supports the point of view that you espouse. I think it's a grand idea that people do research on their own, especially since its obvious that so many of the posters here who inject hollow, unsubstantiated feminist dogma into threads have utterly no idea what feminism really is, and how brutally destructive feminism has been in our society. The link, which I notice you don't want to talk about (I don't blame you), is not -my- pov, but that of a pioneering social activist, an incredibly brave woman, braver than I could ever be, who despite death threats against her and her family, having her dog killed, endless insults and bullying by feminists, went out and made a difference in the world by creating something noble and good for all. This type of social activism is the type we should all practice, free of polarizing victimization and hatred, emphasizing cooperation among all people as opposed to finger-pointing and gender-baiting. Yet what is her reward? Obscurity is her reward because she refused to politicize her social activism, refused to vilify men, refused to abandon her belief that the family structure is a healthy choice for women... refused to become a feminist. Her books, reflective of her work and experience in the first women's shelters, are hidden away, boycotted, unknown because she refused to tow the party line. If there were some wholesome variant of feminism that wasn't simply a grotesque of the rule of law, it would glorify Erin Pizzey and her work. If the mild, fabricated "women's equality" version of feminism-lite you are all so fond of hopping back and forth to and from even existed, Erin Pizzey would be a veritable household name, wealthy from book sales, speaking engagements and television appearances. If feminism weren't a hollow, politicized, leftist lie in its entirety, you wouldn't need me to tell you who she is. Admittedly I only recently found out who she is based on research into MRM/MRA after being fallaciously tagged with those acronyms unduly here on LS. So thanks to taramere for encouraging me to do some research on my own to learn more about dismissive labels applied to my posts here instead of reasoned response to the things I actually post. Oh, and lurkers, note that when you tell the truth about feminism, the best response they have is to compare you to Herman Goering and antisemites. It's all they got!
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