Why does it seem its like theyre's more lonely guys out there then women?

[verhrzn]

On average, I just think that men have higher sex drives than women.

 

Then why do they do it? I have many ideas why, but I want to see another point of view.

QUOTE]

 

Women are capable of higher sex drives than men IMO. I think that a man's sex drive is more explosive, but a woman's sex drive is a slow burn. It's just that it takes a lot more than the physical to truly stimulate a woman's sex drive. You have to attach a lot of substance, the mental/psychological aspect of sex is important in satisfying a woman.

 

So when a man isn't stimulating this in a woman (call it chemistry, call it not being attractive to her at that point), she's going to resist sex. That is the way I understand it anyway. I think women are having more sex these days though as there is no suppression of their sexuality anymore. But while they might be having sex now, their sex lives could be a lot more fulfilling, but it's up to us to stimulate that and understand female sexuality more.

 

You are a wise man.

 

Also, I submit this for discussion:

http://jezebel.com/5517951/sex-lies-and-stereotypes-can-women-really-get-laid-whenever-they-want?tag=beautymyths

[Wolf18]

Here's a fun experiment. Go to google and search "hot girls with ugly guys."

 

First website: http://www.straitpinkie.com/girls/there-is-no-way-top-13-hot-girl-with-ugly-guy-couples/

 

Now, search for "hot guys with ugly girls." There are a couple of advice questions, one or two articles, but after about the first page it switches right back to "hot girl >> ugly guy."

 

So, the hot girl/ugly guy is enough of a phenomenon that people can create tons of articles about it, and yet there isn't even a picture with which to prove there is a hot guy/ugly girl couple in existence.

 

 

This is a rather poor argument.

 

Half those couples in your website are not even mismatched. Pam Anderson and Kid Rock is a mismatched couple? In my opinion, Pamela Anderson is probably uglier than Kid Rock by a long shot.

 

Another chunk of the couples are just men who let themselves go after marriage , and subsequently the women you see them with in these pictures are not currently with them.

 

Then the bulk of the old ugly guys are assorted music marketers/connected/really famous people. It's obvious why someone with a declining music career like Christina Aguilera would've wanted to get with a high level Music producer like Jordan Bratman.

 

Just because you're with someone whose ugly, doesn't mean you're dating them for their personality. Men don't do it as much is the only difference, if Oprah was male Oprah would have a 23 year old model girlfriend too .

[Necromancer]

All right, fine, let's go with your "omg women have unrealistic standards of attractiveness!"

 

That'd be a problem IF women put any kind of emphasis on physical attractiveness. But the article demonstrates... they don't really. Unattractive guys still get messaged at a fairly satisfying rate.

 

According to the article, guys don't judge women's looks as "harshly" as women seem to judge men's looks..... but then guys go ahead and ignore the ugly/plain/average girls.

 

So, in the long run, it's better to be an unattractive male on a dating site than an average female, even with how "harshly" women judge looks.

 

 

I don´t flirt with average girls that i don´t find physically attractive,they can thank me for that or they would get hurt.

 

Average women get hit on 100 times more than a unattractive man,No it´s not better to be a unattractive man,they don´t have any chance in real life.

 

The better you look the more women you will get................

[iris219]

Also, I submit this for discussion:

http://jezebel.com/5517951/sex-lies-and-stereotypes-can-women-really-get-laid-whenever-they-want?tag=beautymyths

 

Interesting article, V. I agree that many women cannot get laid whenever they want, and even more can’t get laid on terms they are willing to accept—meaning not just a ONS with a drunk dude.

 

Women who won’t have sex outside of a committed relationship are often out of luck when it comes to having sex. (Raises hand).

 

In many ways it’s worse for an unattractive female than it is for an unattractive male because money and success aren’t going to help her like it will him. Unattractive men who have trouble dating are always instructed to make money, whereas unattractive women are told to, well, get prettier.

 

And to add to the discussion about men’s view on female attractiveness: I have a lot of guy friends. They are mostly average, and they will pick apart women in ways you wouldn’t believe. They will criticize aspects of women I’ve never even noticed. I’ll sometimes point out a woman I think is very attractive and my guy friends will destroy her: she’s either too skinny, too chubby, too pale, her eyes are too far apart, forehead is too big, bangs are weird, she has a crooked tooth., etc. I can’t decide if they are serious or if they know they’ll never get her so they negatively assess her. My female friends never pick guys apart like that. Either we’re attracted to a guy or we aren’t, and being traditionally good looking has little to nothing to do with whether or not a woman is attracted to a man.

[jobaba]

Since it takes two uniquely chromosomed individuals to form a heterosexual RELATIONSHIP, it stands to reason that there are just as many lonely women as there are lonely men.

 

However, those lonely women often are so because they have several to a few options (which might not be great) which they have decided not to pursue. They'd rather be single.

 

The lonely men at the same age may legitimately have ZERO options whatsoever. So, they're going to whine about it more.

 

There's probably just as many single women on here as there are single men. But the difference is the single men are sitting at home dateless while all the single women are going on dates with PIZZAMAN!

[SilverLining]

Ok, SD. The reason I had sex with a FWB outside a relationship is because I LOVE SEX. It's that simple, really. What I do NOT love, is having sex with random dudes who don't give a crap about me, don't want to learn or appreciate anything about me, and will consider me as just another notch. I don't want to sleep with male friends or guys that have expressed interest because if I do this it always ends up complicating things and I lose a friend. Having a FWB means that I get to be with the same guy over and over, so there's a feeling of goodwill and friendship that you don't get with a ONS, there's no worrying about things getting awkward because the terms have been defined, so even if someone does end up liking someone after awhile, it's not like anything was promised. Granted, FWB situations are sticky and they often do not work out. They DO serve a purpose though, and that purpose has absolutely nothing to do with preventing you from dating (unless you happen to fall for your fwb). I went on just as many dates, but I had LESS unsatisfying, hurtful ONS.

 

Women want to connect with a guy. They don't just want sex. When you meet a woman, she wants to find this emotional connection with you rather than just jump into bed. Most men seem to value sex for the physical intimacy while women value it for the emotion intimacy. That's not to say that the opposite cannot be true in some people, but we are talking generalities here. When a guy approaches a woman and his intention is just sex, women are hoping that something more will come of it. We are looking to make that love connection. And while we may be INCREDIBLY horny, it is distasteful to us to have random partners when we are drunk. Most girls I know will sleep with someone when they feel comfortable and appreciated - hence girls sleeping with guys on dates, rather than ONS at bars. There's a whole culture around sex with women - don't sleep with him too early, he will lose respect for you, don't have sex outside of a relationship you will be a slut, don't have a higher number of sex partners than a man, women shouldn't have high sex drives so you are a nympho, women aren't really supposed to be masturbating or looking at porn...there's a lot of repressive ideas not only among men but among women too, that our grandparents and parents grew up with and it's filtered down to us. A lot of that crap isn't even true. And men go the same way. They are supposed to be horny, mindless sheep looking for a hole to thrust in, and they don't have feelings or any kind of filtering criteria but will sleep with anyone, anytime. And if they don't sleep with you, that means there's something HORRIBLY wrong with you. I think most men know that is bs as well.

 

In my experience, BEFORE a relationship, the man is pursuing sex while the woman is reluctant to give it up, or if she does she is fraught with guilt, indecision, worry. However, AFTER the relationship has been determined, women suddenly want more sex than the man is willing to provide. That is because when men have sex, they are often satisfied. An average man getting regular sex can go a couple days without and it's not that big of a deal. However, for women, the more you have sex, the more you WANT to have sex. So for a period of time during the relationship it's often the case that the woman wants to get laid and the man is putting her off, which makes the woman feel upset and unattractive because as I said before, we are taught that men are always supposed to be ready for sex. Sex drives seem to even out a bit more as the relationship progresses.

 

Of course there are different experiences - some people naturally have very high or low sex drives. This has just been my experience with most of my boyfriends, and I've had this same conversation with many other female and male friends.

 

So yeah. That was a really long rant. My point is that while the women SEEM to be able to get along ok without sex, they are having a difficult time too. And just because you know someone would be willing to have sex with you, doesn't mean you feel ok having it with any old guy. I can remember many times I really, really wanted to have sex and wasn't sure who to call. At any point I did have a few guys that I knew would be interested...but I didn't feel comfortable going to that level with them. SD, I think that if you were not so hard up for sex, you would understand this a little better. I think right now sex has become a bit too idealized in your head. Not that I blame you.

[Anela]

Men are judged harshly for being virgins over a certain age. This all adds up to lots of frustration to vent.

 

So are women. I read an article in 2008, about men who backed off from women aged anywhere from early twenties to mid-thirties, when they found out that the women were still virgins.

[Anela]

http://www.salon.com/2006/09/06/virgins/singleton

 

The 30-year-old virgins

 

It was once a badge of honor. But to the surprising number of adult women today who have not had sex, virginity is nothing but a curse.

 

By Yael Kohen

 

 

When Amanda was 26 years old she found herself in a familiar but awkward situation: She was still a virgin and the guy she had been dating for three months didn’t know it. She wasn’t ready to sleep with him yet, but she was close, real close. One night they were at his house, making out on the couch, when he asked her, “When’s the last time you had sex?” The question was blunt and unexpected. She didn’t know how to answer, and she didn’t really want to. “One year? Two years?” She didn’t respond. “Don’t tell me you’re a virgin?” he blurted as he abruptly pulled away. “No offense, but most people do that in high school,” he told her. He acted like a victim, she says four years later, telling her that none of his friends would ever sleep with a virgin, that he’d already slept with two and would never do it again. About a week later they went to the movies together, and afterward, he walked her to the car. She leaned in to kiss him and he backed away, “like I was some disgusting object.”

 

“It made me scared to date, scared to talk to guys. It was like, ‘Oh my God, they’re all going to do this,’” she says. She still tried, occasionally, and after about a year she met another guy, someone else from work. But then he also didn’t know she was a virgin, and one night when they were practically naked together in bed it happened again, almost in the exact same way. He asked her about former lovers, and while she laughs nervously now as she retells the story, it wasn’t funny then. It reminded her of the last time and she started to cry. But this guy was actually nice about it, telling her things like “That guy was such an *******” and “You should say you just haven’t found the right guy; be more self-confident.” It made her feel better, and when he left he said he’d call her the next day. But he didn’t call until the following week and things went downhill from there. “He never really said it was because I was a virgin,” Amanda says. “But that was the point when everything shifted.”

 

Some people may think Amanda is unique, maybe even a freak. But the fact is, there are a surprising number of women — smart, savvy and attractive women — who still haven’t lost their virginity into their 20s or 30s. According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, 7 percent of unmarried women between ages 25 and 29 have never had sex; neither have 5 percent between 30 and 34 and 4.3 percent between 35 and 39. It’s hard to say how many of these women are actually waiting until marriage, but it’s safe to assume that quite a few aren’t. This month Jane magazine is sponsoring a contest to get a 29-year-old virgin laid, a cheap publicity stunt that misses the bigger point: Why does a “funny, gorgeous” virgin need to place what is essentially an ad for sex at all? There was time when virginity was a prize, a treasure to be guarded and a badge of honor, but now, it seems that for the modern career woman virginity is nothing but a curse. What’s worse, the longer she waits the harder it is to find a guy — not just the right guy, but any guy — to do the honors. Which prompts the question, Has the sexual revolution ironically made it impossible for a mature woman to get laid for the first time?

 

These days virginity is for kids, something to outgrow during the experimental teenage years. Of course, being a virgin late in the game is nothing new; but in a hypersexualized culture, in which teenage girls are starting to have sex at progressively younger ages and spin the bottle seems to have been replaced by the blow job, to be a virgin in her mid- to late 20s suddenly seems extreme. (According to the CDC report, 44.4 percent of girls between 15 and 19 had sex by the time they were 17, compared with 35.5 percent of women more than 20 years older who lost their virginity at the same age.) Sure, we have young people who are encouraged to wait until marriage no matter when that might be. We have born-again virgins restoring their hymens with plastic surgery, teenagers with promise rings and a government that promotes abstinence education. But most of those people are religious conservatives who are pretty much doing what they always did. The phenomenon of involuntary virgins, on the other hand, exists underground in liberal America, where sophisticated career women are supposed to have active sex lives and gyms offer pole dancing and stripping classes as a kind of aerobics. Where the proliferation of online dating fosters a culture of freewheeling, uncommitted hookups. Where anyone who isn’t doing it is too unhip to know better. “The culture is getting more and more permission to be sexual at any age,” says Shirley Zussman, a sex therapist in New York. “It’s almost a directive from the culture: movies, books, magazines, TV programs. Everybody is saying “Look, this is what’s going on. What about you?”

 

At parties, especially college parties, conversations tend to revolve around sex, and about the last thing any virgin wants is for her sexuality to be the hot topic or, worse, to risk the chance that someone in the group will talk down to her, as if all she knows about sex is the birds and the bees. Laura, a virgin until she was 25, remembers parties where friends and strangers would trade personal sex stories. “You’re kind of sitting there like, ‘All right, I’ve got nothing to contribute.’ So I would just physically remove myself. Leave, walk around and hopefully people wouldn’t notice.” When she was just 23, Laura went to a New Year’s Eve party where a discussion about sex quickly turned into a contest: Who has slept with the most people? Who has slept with the oldest person? Who was the youngest when he or she first had sex? And so on. So Laura went to wash the dishes. “I remember thinking, ‘What an idiot. I’m washing dishes at a party because I don’t want to be involved in this conversation.’” But it was probably for the best. “I remember one of the guys saying, ‘Man, if I was 24 and a virgin I think I’d go crazy. I think I’d die.’ Then some other guy said, ‘You know the Unabomber was a virgin,” and I’m thinking, ‘Oh my God, they think I’m going to turn into a sociopath because I haven’t had sex at the age of 23.’”

On the men’s lifestyle Web site AskMen.com, relationship correspondent Lawrence Mitchell wrote a column in 2002 called “Should You Date a Virgin?” which advises men to stay away from virgins unless they’re ready for a committed relationship. “When we think virgin, we either recoil or go wild,” he writes. “If you must date a virgin, keep in mind” that in his opinion, “as soon as you invade her space so to speak, her emotions will intensify. She will exact certain expectations on you, whether you know it or not.” He goes on, “An obese thirty-something career woman virgin, for example, is not on the same level as a naäve [sic] 18-year-old virgin with a strict background who has never dated before,” reinforcing the stereotype that there’s something physically or psychologically wrong with a woman who is 30-something and still a virgin.

 

Mitchell’s assessment rang true one recent night to a 37-year-old California editor, who found out that his very hot date, a lawyer with “bad girl’s body,” was still a virgin at 28. They met at a party and left early so they could be alone at a bar. When he asked her about old boyfriends, she said she was into hard-to-get bad-boy types, the kind who drive race cars and date women for their looks. They sounded like crushes at best, not exactly real boyfriends. Her views on love and sex were so adolescent, so “totally out of the loop,” that even before the cocktails came he figured it out. “Are you a virgin?” he asked. She burst into tears. “I was flabbergasted, astonished and intrigued. I didn’t think it could happen in 2006. I thought it was some cosmic joke, a comedy of errors, that she hadn’t lost her virginity. She thought it was tragic.” He talked her through it and she thought they had a connection. But at the end of the night he wouldn’t sleep with her. “I knew she already had a little crush on me, and if that happened, she’d have an unmanageable crush on me that would be difficult for both of us and end in tears for her.”

 

So what ever happened to the idea that a man’s ultimate fantasy is to deflower a virgin? Well, if she’s a young, nubile girl the fantasy is still out there. But can you imagine a 30-year-old virgin as the star of Internet-porn spam? What about as one of the 72 virgins waiting for the jihadists up in heaven? University of Texas psychology professor David Buss, author of “Evolution of Desire,” says that one reason an older virgin becomes essentially untouchable is because “people infer that there is something psychologically wrong with the person who substantially exceeds the cultural norm in age and is still a virgin. Perhaps she has deeply rooted sexual hang-ups or some other deep psychological problem.” Or perhaps they just think she’s asexual or frigid. Of course, in many cultures, including those in China, India, Indonesia and parts of our own country, a virgin is still a prize when it comes to finding a wife. Before the advent of birth control, having a virgin bride was the best way a man could make sure that any children she bore would be his own, especially since a virgin was considered less likely to stray later, Buss says.

 

According to a 2001 study published in the Journal of Sex Research, most people in Western society assume that a people in their mid- to late 20s have already experienced dating and sexual experimentation, an exploration that, for the most part, started when they were teens. Involuntary virgins, on the other hand, may have missed that dating phase in high school (perhaps they were buried in their books) and probably missed it in college too, so once they enter the real world, one with more adults, they start to feel left behind, according to the study by Georgia State University associate professors of sociology Denise Donnelly and Elisabeth Burgess, who surveyed 34 male and female involuntary virgins. A woman who has never had sex can start to feel alienated, like a social pariah, and the last virgin on earth (at least among her peers). This feeling can turn into a barrier to meeting a lover, and the chance that she’ll ever have an intimate relationship starts to fade away.

 

Donnelly and Burgess’ study found that a big part of sexual development comes from dating as a teenager and that involuntary virginity is a combination of shyness, body-image issues and getting a late start. The problem is, it seems, that kids, teenagers and young adults no longer date — at least not in the traditional sense. “I remember thinking when I was in high school, ‘Yeah if I had a boyfriend I would sleep with him,’” says Katie, a journalist in New York, who didn’t lose her virginity until she was 28. “I thought when I got to college I would have this garden of eligible candidates to choose from. But people didn’t really date. It was a hookup scene I was never really comfortable with.”

 

Today, women are supposed to give good head, be on top, take it from behind, experience orgasm for an hour; they’re even supposed to experiment with other women. That’s a lot to swallow, so to speak. Performance anxiety can set in, which may make a woman with little to no experience avoid the situation entirely, says Jonathan Berent, a social anxiety therapist who has seen a number of virgins in their 20s and 30s. “In their early 20s they can rationalize it: ‘It’ll happen soon.’ But when they get to their late 20s their caution light is on big time. They get down on themselves and they tend to obsess,” he says. “The deal with sex and intimacy is that people will do anything to avoid being noticeably nervous. And going into a sexual scenario, if you haven’t already had one, you’re going to be noticeably nervous.”

 

Much depends on the sexual norms of each individual’s social circles when assessing what’s a “normal” age to still be a virgin. For example, a 23-year-old virgin with sexually active friends could feel ancient, but to the man she is dating her virginity might be curious, yet still reasonable. Among the women I spoke to, many started to lie about their sexual status (or at least withhold the whole truth) somewhere in their early 20s, right after they left college. According to Berent, as a virgin approaches her 30th birthday she tends to obsess. “There’s no written rule, but I think that when the woman gets to be in her early 30s, if she doesn’t do it, it’s a tremendous hurdle. But I have seen women lose their virginity at 40,” Berent says.

 

Amanda finally lost her virginity at 30, but didn’t tell the guy until after the fact. “I couldn’t take the slight chance he’d back out,” she says. They were dating for a month before they had sex. When she finally told him it was her first time, he mentioned that it was something he’d actually wondered about. Eventually, their relationship ended, and while Amanda says this one has been harder to get over than most, she doesn’t regret it. In fact, she’s all the better for it. “I feel much more self-confident in dealing with men and dating,” she says, “although now I’ve moved on to worrying about whether I’ll ever find a lasting relationship.”

 

 

Yael Kohen is a reporter at New York Magazine.More Yael Kohen

Edited January 10, 2012 by Anela

[Anela]

Just because women don't put physical attractiveness as high on their lists doesn't mean their selection criteria is any less shallow. Just ask a guy under 5'8".

 

Honestly... Yes, men can be very shallow when it comes to looks. However if you ask a man what percentage of the overall female population is attractive to him... your going to get 40-60% as a typical answer... while women tend to say 5-10%.

 

The fact is that by going for a specific "look" in a guy... you narrow yourself down a lot. In fact some women just picky themselves out of the market entirely.

 

James McAvoy is 5'7.

 

I once liked a guy who was my height: 5'2.

[NYC-BigKat]

Ok, SD. The reason I had sex with a FWB outside a relationship is because I LOVE SEX. It's that simple, really. What I do NOT love, is having sex with random dudes who don't give a crap about me, don't want to learn or appreciate anything about me, and will consider me as just another notch. I don't want to sleep with male friends or guys that have expressed interest because if I do this it always ends up complicating things and I lose a friend. Having a FWB means that I get to be with the same guy over and over, so there's a feeling of goodwill and friendship that you don't get with a ONS, there's no worrying about things getting awkward because the terms have been defined, so even if someone does end up liking someone after awhile, it's not like anything was promised. Granted, FWB situations are sticky and they often do not work out. They DO serve a purpose though, and that purpose has absolutely nothing to do with preventing you from dating (unless you happen to fall for your fwb). I went on just as many dates, but I had LESS unsatisfying, hurtful ONS.

 

Women want to connect with a guy. They don't just want sex. When you meet a woman, she wants to find this emotional connection with you rather than just jump into bed. Most men seem to value sex for the physical intimacy while women value it for the emotion intimacy. That's not to say that the opposite cannot be true in some people, but we are talking generalities here. When a guy approaches a woman and his intention is just sex, women are hoping that something more will come of it. We are looking to make that love connection. And while we may be INCREDIBLY horny, it is distasteful to us to have random partners when we are drunk. Most girls I know will sleep with someone when they feel comfortable and appreciated - hence girls sleeping with guys on dates, rather than ONS at bars. There's a whole culture around sex with women - don't sleep with him too early, he will lose respect for you, don't have sex outside of a relationship you will be a slut, don't have a higher number of sex partners than a man, women shouldn't have high sex drives so you are a nympho, women aren't really supposed to be masturbating or looking at porn...there's a lot of repressive ideas not only among men but among women too, that our grandparents and parents grew up with and it's filtered down to us. A lot of that crap isn't even true. And men go the same way. They are supposed to be horny, mindless sheep looking for a hole to thrust in, and they don't have feelings or any kind of filtering criteria but will sleep with anyone, anytime. And if they don't sleep with you, that means there's something HORRIBLY wrong with you. I think most men know that is bs as well.

 

In my experience, BEFORE a relationship, the man is pursuing sex while the woman is reluctant to give it up, or if she does she is fraught with guilt, indecision, worry. However, AFTER the relationship has been determined, women suddenly want more sex than the man is willing to provide. That is because when men have sex, they are often satisfied. An average man getting regular sex can go a couple days without and it's not that big of a deal. However, for women, the more you have sex, the more you WANT to have sex. So for a period of time during the relationship it's often the case that the woman wants to get laid and the man is putting her off, which makes the woman feel upset and unattractive because as I said before, we are taught that men are always supposed to be ready for sex. Sex drives seem to even out a bit more as the relationship progresses.

 

Of course there are different experiences - some people naturally have very high or low sex drives. This has just been my experience with most of my boyfriends, and I've had this same conversation with many other female and male friends.

 

So yeah. That was a really long rant. My point is that while the women SEEM to be able to get along ok without sex, they are having a difficult time too. And just because you know someone would be willing to have sex with you, doesn't mean you feel ok having it with any old guy. I can remember many times I really, really wanted to have sex and wasn't sure who to call. At any point I did have a few guys that I knew would be interested...but I didn't feel comfortable going to that level with them. SD, I think that if you were not so hard up for sex, you would understand this a little better. I think right now sex has become a bit too idealized in your head. Not that I blame you.

 

U sound so experienced like u been around a little more than others. What u say makes alot of sense & it was a good read. But the problem I get alot is that most girls dont give me the chance to connect w/ them before any thing happens. I dont look for sex at the front. I want a connection but it seems they dont want any of it so its rough all over.

[somedude81]

For women, virginity is a choice.

[Anela]

For women, virginity is a choice.

 

Read the article.

 

the women felt just as badly about themselves, as you guys do.

[Dust]

So are women. I read an article in 2008, about men who backed off from women aged anywhere from early twenties to mid-thirties, when they found out that the women were still virgins.

 

Myself and most guys I know love being with virgins. I was once with an early twenties virgin and really enjoyed it!

 

James McAvoy is 5'7.

 

I once liked a guy who was my height: 5'2.

 

You sound small and cute! haha

 

For women, virginity is a choice.

 

Well you're living proof that for men its a choice to mr. "how do I not be single?"

[Anela]

 

 

You sound small and cute! haha

 

 

Thank you! I'm not quite so cute anymore, but it turns out in the past, I was cuter than I realized. I was all legs when I was younger, and people kept expecting me to shoot up at any time. Never happened. And I got a lot of hollers, but hardly anyone asked me out.

 

And I thought that guy was adorable. Although I've since been told that no man wants to be thought of that way, I meant it in a good way.

[somedude81]

Read the article.

 

the women felt just as badly about themselves, as you guys do.

I did.

 

"According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, 7 percent of unmarried women between ages 25 and 29 have never had sex;"

 

And it doesn't give any information to suggest that the older girls have been unsuccessfully trying to loose it.

 

If guys have been trying to date her since she was 17 but she rejects them all for whatever reason, then finds herself a 25 year old virgin, well boo hoo for her. It was her choice.

 

Not being able to find her prince to sweep her off her feet is not a reason to explain being an involuntary virgin.

[Dust]

I did.

 

"According to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report, 7 percent of unmarried women between ages 25 and 29 have never had sex;"

 

And it doesn't give any information to suggest that the older girls have been unsuccessfully trying to loose it.

 

If guys have been trying to date her since she was 17 but she rejects them all for whatever reason, then finds herself a 25 year old virgin, well boo hoo for her. It was her choice.

 

Not being able to find her prince to sweep her off her feet is not a reason to explain being an involuntary virgin.

 

Stop worrying about guys... As for you I can hardly say you're trying to date. Have you even asked a single girl out this month mr. Trying?

[somedude81]

Stop worrying about guys... As for you I can hardly say you're trying to date. Have you even asked a single girl out this month mr. Trying?

Why do you try to make everything about me?

 

If you don't mind Dust, I'd really like to be able to participate in threads without seeing every post of mine being questioned by you about something I'm doing or not doing.

[Dust]

Why do you try to make everything about me?

 

If you don't mind Dust, I'd really like to be able to participate in threads without seeing every post of mine being questioned by you about something I'm doing or not doing.

 

I'm just trying to help you. Go write on some private forum if you don't want to hear what I have to say! You complain about how hard it is for me. I'm telling you not to worry about such a thing. I'm also telling you to stop being all talk. About women just having to try and it's their fault for having standards. Every one needs standards, you yourself mr. beggars can't be choosers have turned girls away. I'm also saying stop complaining because its obvious you don't even try. At least by my definition.

 

This thread is titled "Why does it seem like they're more lonely guys out there then women" You are arguing for your point of view based on your personal experiences. I'm directly chalenging you. I recomend you stop using LS if you don't want to here differing views or more specificaly have me post. You could also just ignore my posts as it seems you've never taken any of my advice anyways so there'd hardly be a difference.