Why does it seem its like theyre's more lonely guys out there then women?

[SilverLining]

Ah but PTP, this isn't about 'opportunities' but 'dating'. I agree women have more opportunities but when it comes to actual DATING men have the upper hand. I look at it this way. If 10 men approach you and you like 5, probably 1 of those 10 is actually interested in dating rather than a hookup, and it probably isn't one of the 5 you are actually attracted to. On the other hand, if you are a guy interested in a relationship and approaching 10 women you are attracted to, even if 8 reject you leaving only 2, those 2 are probably interested in dating. Men don't tend to approach women they aren't attracted to at all, so right away no matter who responds at least it will be someone you find attractive enough to date. Women don't have that option if they wait to be approached by men. And yes, I know women can always approach men too if they wanted to.

 

As for knowing your range, I'm talking about people who are pretty unattractive or lacking social skills trying to hit up a really attractive girl who has lots of options. AD1980, if you are an average looking guy stick to average girls, below average girls, or above average but don't go into the realm of supermodel hot. If you are a below average guy, stick to average and below average in general. That doesn't mean an ugly person can never date a complete fox but it tends to be unlikely unless there's something else to offer that the person finds attractive. How many devastatingly hot men do you know date ugly women?

[SilverLining]

Also to further clarify on the range thing, everyone likes something different. In my group of female friends, some like artistic, lean men with no muscle tone, some like jocks with muscle. Some like boyish looks, some only date older men. Some like to be in charge and some like the men to be in charge. Some prefer really good looks and some want average looking. Everyone is different, and I would in general encourage guys to approach all kinds of women if they want to, even the really hot ones because you just never know what she likes. However, odds are stacked against you the hotter the girl is and the more competition there is, so just go in there knowing that and don't get bitter about it. If you want to meet someone great, don't immediately go for the hottest girl in the room. If you WANT the hottest girl in the room, try it but don't be surprised if she blows you off.

[Woggle]

I can see how women hate getting used for sex but it seams that the men who treat them that way are the kind they lust after. I have seen many cases where a man is just casually seeing a woman and she chases after him but the minute he starts liking her back she all of a sudden loses feelings. This want what you can't have thing with women can be very frustrating for a guy who just wants a normal and healthy relationship.

[irc333]

I don't believe it's women that tend to go after the ONLY the one good looking guy, and ignore the average Joe's.

 

I'm the kind of guy that actually doesn't care that much about looks when it comes to dating, I've had interest in women that my guy friends wouldn't have any interest in.

 

Now someone might respond with a cop-out of, "Would date a 500 lb woman?" Of course not, not many men would, that's just stating the obvious

 

 

 

Honestly, I think there have to be a certain gender that some behaviors that it's more prominent with the women when it comes to dating. None of it can be "Well, men do it ,too"

 

There ARE some situations where only ONE gender do some kind of dating behavior a lot more frequently than others.

 

 

Oh, and I think I should point out that men tend to go for the most attractive women and ignore the others, no matter how attractive they themselves are. I think this contributes a lot to this. In my own experience, I'm decently attractive and I get hit on all the time - on the way to work (train/bus, I was even asked out somewhat recently by the guy in the next car during a traffic jam), when I am AT work by coworkers or people that come into the workplace, when I am out alone or with girlfriends. But I also have some VERY attractive friends that I would rate higher than myself. Despite being able to hold my own and clearly having no trouble getting dates, whenever I am with one of these girls I am literally completely ignored. I think a lot of guys are competitive and gravitate to the 'most attractive girl in the room'. Women do this too, but it's more about who is attractive to them on a personal level, while a lot of men seem to want someone that the majority might think attractive. Thus there are 20 girls in the room that they ignore while they concentrate on the one girl that every guy wants, and it's silly since there are many above average women in the room.

[irc333]

ALso wanted to add.....some of these women I approached and asked out, weren't that much to write home about themselves, even the chunky ones seemed to want the athletic hunks. There's this one woman on this dating site that proclaims "Yeah, I'm chunky and got some padding, and some men are into that, some are not....but I do like a tall, athletic man with a flat stomach!"

 

Some say, "Yaeh, I know it's a dble standard, but so what? LOL"

[SilverLining]

Woggle, I agree with you that the want what you can't have attitude sucks, but women hardly have the monopoly on that one! There's something called the 3 month mark where guys notoriously seem to lose interest or even disappear. We are all victims and perpetrators of the crime too.

 

I think a lot of people want to date someone that they find attractive. My experience has just been that when I'm with female friends at the bars, they have a range of criteria and end up selecting different guys who aren't always the most attractive. My male friends gravitate towards one or two women.

[thatone]

Woggle, I agree with you that the want what you can't have attitude sucks, but women hardly have the monopoly on that one! There's something called the 3 month mark where guys notoriously seem to lose interest or even disappear. We are all victims and perpetrators of the crime too.

 

I think a lot of people want to date someone that they find attractive. My experience has just been that when I'm with female friends at the bars, they have a range of criteria and end up selecting different guys who aren't always the most attractive. My male friends gravitate towards one or two women.

 

that '3 month mark' goes both ways too. as daesin mentioned in another thread, and i admit to have been victimized on too, there are a lot of women out there who date men for 1 to 3 months at a time, constantly leading those men on while offering little/nothing in return for the man in question's efforts (sexually, emotionally), and then when the current man gives up they move on to the next one.

 

the end result is those women's social lives are free of cost to them, that's what they're really after.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Woggle, I agree with you that the want what you can't have attitude sucks, but women hardly have the monopoly on that one! There's something called the 3 month mark where guys notoriously seem to lose interest or even disappear. We are all victims and perpetrators of the crime too.

I think a lot of people want to date someone that they find attractive. My experience has just been that when I'm with female friends at the bars, they have a range of criteria and end up selecting different guys who aren't always the most attractive. My male friends gravitate towards one or two women.

 

Just because women don't put physical attractiveness as high on their lists doesn't mean their selection criteria is any less shallow. Just ask a guy under 5'8".

 

Honestly... Yes, men can be very shallow when it comes to looks. However if you ask a man what percentage of the overall female population is attractive to him... your going to get 40-60% as a typical answer... while women tend to say 5-10%.

 

The fact is that by going for a specific "look" in a guy... you narrow yourself down a lot. In fact some women just picky themselves out of the market entirely.

[verhrzn]

Just because women don't put physical attractiveness as high on their lists doesn't mean their selection criteria is any less shallow. Just ask a guy under 5'8".

 

Honestly... Yes, men can be very shallow when it comes to looks. However if you ask a man what percentage of the overall female population is attractive to him... your going to get 40-60% as a typical answer... while women tend to say 5-10%.

 

The fact is that by going for a specific "look" in a guy... you narrow yourself down a lot. In fact some women just picky themselves out of the market entirely.

 

Except that most women have very different looks they like in guys. I don't have a single female friend that has a similar taste in men's looks. Heck, even look at the male celebrities that are seen as sex symbols... There's a much wider spread of difference between Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Robert Patterson, Hugh Jackman, and Colin Firth then there is between the sexist female celebrities. (Kim Kardashian and Scarlett Johansen are essentially the same woman, except Kim is the darker colored version.)

 

The women guys on this forum reference as proof that all women want the same type of guys... tall, muscular, rich men... are all the same type of WOMAN. Generally speaking, women want something similar to themselves... so the super hot model wants the male equivalent. So, if you want that type of woman, you have to be that type of man.

 

But because most men want that type of woman (the super hot model), they automatically paint ALL women as wanting that type of man. Essentially, guys are accusing women of doing the very same thing they're doing.

 

Put it another way. Let's take what you say as true. That men find 40-60% of the female population attractive. However, if all men find the same demographic of women attractive, then you're gonna have tons of competition. It's 100% of men, vying for 40-60% of women.

 

OKCupid had a study on this.... they determined that 2/3 of the men were all emailing the 1/3 most attractive women on the site. So, 66% of the online male population was vying for 33% of the female population.

 

As opposed to women, who actually emailed unattractive men MORE. The more attractive a woman rated you, the LESS likely you were to get emails. And the "unattractive men" got smatterings of emails, instead of floods... suggesting that the women were selecting a different man than her neighbor. All the women weren't rushing to one man's email box.

 

So women may only find 5-10% of the male population attractive, but not all women have the same tastes, so there aren't a lot of overlaps.

[ThaWholigan]

Except that most women have very different looks they like in guys. I don't have a single female friend that has a similar taste in men's looks. Heck, even look at the male celebrities that are seen as sex symbols... There's a much wider spread of difference between Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Robert Patterson, Hugh Jackman, and Colin Firth then there is between the sexist female celebrities. (Kim Kardashian and Scarlett Johansen are essentially the same woman, except Kim is the darker colored version.)

 

The women guys on this forum reference as proof that all women want the same type of guys... tall, muscular, rich men... are all the same type of WOMAN. Generally speaking, women want something similar to themselves... so the super hot model wants the male equivalent. So, if you want that type of woman, you have to be that type of man.

 

But because most men want that type of woman (the super hot model), they automatically paint ALL women as wanting that type of man. Essentially, guys are accusing women of doing the very same thing they're doing.

 

Put it another way. Let's take what you say as true. That men find 40-60% of the female population attractive. However, if all men find the same demographic of women attractive, then you're gonna have tons of competition. It's 100% of men, vying for 40-60% of women.

 

OKCupid had a study on this.... they determined that 2/3 of the men were all emailing the 1/3 most attractive women on the site. So, 66% of the online male population was vying for 33% of the female population.

 

As opposed to women, who actually emailed unattractive men MORE. The more attractive a woman rated you, the LESS likely you were to get emails. And the "unattractive men" got smatterings of emails, instead of floods... suggesting that the women were selecting a different man than her neighbor. All the women weren't rushing to one man's email box.

 

So women may only find 5-10% of the male population attractive, but not all women have the same tastes, so there aren't a lot of overlaps.

 

I think you present the opposite extreme personally. I think it is just about equal between the sexes, there will always be collateral damage on both sides from what I can see.

 

I think it's as Silverlining says, most people just want to date someone they are actually attracted to. Now, a lot of guys will be interested in the -hot model woman, that's a given. And likewise the woman for the hot model guy. Generally, those who have a broad pool of people they are attracted to do better at dating IMO. I feel you have just been unlucky with your experiences, and I think that if you let it get you down, it will show unconsciously in your aura. I could be wrong, but I noticed that whenever I felt negative, I would receive back what I put out (people would pick up straight away unconsciously, even if I was hiding it well).

[verhrzn]

I think you present the opposite extreme personally. I think it is just about equal between the sexes, there will always be collateral damage on both sides from what I can see.

 

I think it's as Silverlining says, most people just want to date someone they are actually attracted to. Now, a lot of guys will be interested in the -hot model woman, that's a given. And likewise the woman for the hot model guy. Generally, those who have a broad pool of people they are attracted to do better at dating IMO. I feel you have just been unlucky with your experiences, and I think that if you let it get you down, it will show unconsciously in your aura. I could be wrong, but I noticed that whenever I felt negative, I would receive back what I put out (people would pick up straight away unconsciously, even if I was hiding it well).

 

But I fundamentally disagree that most women want the hot model guy. I certainly do not. If, by some Genie wish, a hot model guy hit on me, I probably turn and flee in the other direction. Find me a guy who claims he'd run away from Scarlett Johansen throwing herself at him.

 

Yeah, women "oo" and "ahh" over tall, muscular guys. But I know nary a one that would actually date him, even given the opportunity. You look at their boyfriends, and their husbands, and the guys are night-and-day to the models. One of my good friends thinks Chris Hemsworth is heaven on Earth (my response is: "Meh") and yet simultaneously thinks her bespectacled, stick-thin nerd boy is the hottest thing since sliced bread.

 

That's as opposed to my male friends, who maybe don't necessarily demand a Scarlett Johansen look a like, but their girlfriend better be in the same vein. In my experience, guys seem to have a "feature" that they insist a romantic partner have... blonde hair, big boobs, nice butt, what have you. There is no female equivalent of the "a** man."

[AD1980]

Except that most women have very different looks they like in guys. I don't have a single female friend that has a similar taste in men's looks. Heck, even look at the male celebrities that are seen as sex symbols... There's a much wider spread of difference between Brad Pitt, Johnny Depp, Robert Patterson, Hugh Jackman, and Colin Firth then there is between the sexist female celebrities. (Kim Kardashian and Scarlett Johansen are essentially the same woman, except Kim is the darker colored version.)

 

The women guys on this forum reference as proof that all women want the same type of guys... tall, muscular, rich men... are all the same type of WOMAN. Generally speaking, women want something similar to themselves... so the super hot model wants the male equivalent. So, if you want that type of woman, you have to be that type of man.

 

But because most men want that type of woman (the super hot model), they automatically paint ALL women as wanting that type of man. Essentially, guys are accusing women of doing the very same thing they're doing.

 

Put it another way. Let's take what you say as true. That men find 40-60% of the female population attractive. However, if all men find the same demographic of women attractive, then you're gonna have tons of competition. It's 100% of men, vying for 40-60% of women.

 

OKCupid had a study on this.... they determined that 2/3 of the men were all emailing the 1/3 most attractive women on the site. So, 66% of the online male population was vying for 33% of the female population.

 

As opposed to women, who actually emailed unattractive men MORE. The more attractive a woman rated you, the LESS likely you were to get emails. And the "unattractive men" got smatterings of emails, instead of floods... suggesting that the women were selecting a different man than her neighbor. All the women weren't rushing to one man's email box.

 

So women may only find 5-10% of the male population attractive, but not all women have the same tastes, so there aren't a lot of overlaps.

 

I really dont know how you can make an argument for women not being shallow online when if you're under 5'9 as a Male online then you pretty much have little shot

 

Online dating is mostly mediocre looking women looking to date out of their league

[Lonely Ronin]

The more attractive a woman rated you, the LESS likely you were to get emails.

 

That's so f'ed up.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

SilverLining

I think most people tend to not want to blame themselves, no matter their gender. It's easier that way.

 

There aren't more lonely men than women. Men seem to be lonely for sexual encounters, women are lonely for love and stable relationships. Women can get casual sex even if they aren't that attractive, but don't prefer it over a relationship. Guys will approach for sex but want nothing more from the woman THAN sex. What follows is that women feel demeaned and as if their only positive quality is sex itself. They tend to complain and cry to their friends (which men don't always see) and men tend to go online because our culture prohibits men from confiding in one another.

 

This is a really key point. Women might hold the cards in the "go-ahead" for sex, since it's a cultural stereotype that men are "crazy" when they turn down sex; but men hold the cards for love and relationships.

 

I really get annoyed when I see the guys here complain about how women have it so easy and how any ole women can get a man even if she is deformed. Wow. Do you know what that tells me? That men care more about having a warm hole then getting to know a woman beyond her looks, ugly or pretty, deformed or normal.

 

I've been rejected plenty and I've rejected men too. Just because I am not a beauty queen doesn't mean I need to settle for someone I am not compatible with emotionally because physically someone else might consider him "in my league". I have dated all kinds of men with all different body types. I might have been more attracted to certain men over others (and ironically that had nothing to do with what society judges as attractice) in the beginning but what it comes down to is the intellectual and emotional level which can play a huge part in making someone even more attractive then the hottest, most ripped men. I have also been turned off by stereotypically attractive men for whatever reason. Brad Pitt? I have never ever liked him or thought he was hot.

 

Struggling in relationships is a human experience. Being lonely is a human experience. And men that want to win some kind of twisted "men are more lonely" race show their inability to relate to women on a human level. And vice versa for women.

 

I also agree with alot of what Verhrzn says.

[verhrzn]

I really dont know how you can make an argument for women not being shallow online when if you're under 5'9 as a Male online then you pretty much have little shot

 

Online dating is mostly mediocre looking women looking to date out of their league

 

I have no idea where you get this idea. I can think of at least 4 guys off the top of my head that are between 5'4" and 5'10" and they do just fine with the ladies.... One hasn't been single for more than a month for over two years, and he's 5'7" (and he got them ALL off of OKCupid, so try again.)

 

The only male friend of mine who has had consistent dating problems is just the right height, according to you, but is Asian. Asian guys, at least here in the Midwest, DO seem to have a little bit of a harder time if they're trying to date non-Asians. My friend's common complaint is that he only gets messages from Asian girls, or fat white chicks.

 

That's so f'ed up.

 

Why is that f'ed up??? Isn't that what guys want... for women to not judge them by their height and looks? It just proves that you don't need to be Zac Efron to get dates if you have a fun personality/profile.

 

Here's the study: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/

[AD1980]

But I fundamentally disagree that most women want the hot model guy. I certainly do not. If, by some Genie wish, a hot model guy hit on me, I probably turn and flee in the other direction. Find me a guy who claims he'd run away from Scarlett Johansen throwing herself at him.

 

Yeah, women "oo" and "ahh" over tall, muscular guys. But I know nary a one that would actually date him, even given the opportunity. You look at their boyfriends, and their husbands, and the guys are night-and-day to the models. One of my good friends thinks Chris Hemsworth is heaven on Earth (my response is: "Meh") and yet simultaneously thinks her bespectacled, stick-thin nerd boy is the hottest thing since sliced bread.

 

That's as opposed to my male friends, who maybe don't necessarily demand a Scarlett Johansen look a like, but their girlfriend better be in the same vein. In my experience, guys seem to have a "feature" that they insist a romantic partner have... blonde hair, big boobs, nice butt, what have you. There is no female equivalent of the "a** man."

 

Some of these women dont go after tall muscular guys because they dont think they can get them or figure theyd cheat because of so many options not because women are some houlier then thou creatures who dont care about looks at all..

 

AS far as "features" and how theyre's no equivalent to a female "ass man" well tell that to guys who cant figure out why girl 5 inches shorter then them still claim the guy's too short to date..

 

Ive never seen anyhting as shallow as women choosing heels over a potential good guy because therye close in height with her 6 inch heels on..

 

I bet theyres more women with height preferneces then men with ass preferences..

Edited December 30, 2011 by AD1980

[verhrzn]

Some of these women dont go after tall muscular guys because they dont think they can get them or figure theyd cheat because of so many options not because women are some houlier then thou creatures who dont care about looks at all..

 

AS far as "features" and how theyre's no equivalent to a female "ass man" well tell that to guys who cant figure out why girl 5 inches shorter then them still claim the guy's too short to date..

 

Ive never seen anyhting as shallow as women choosing heels over a potential good guy because therye close in height with her 6 inch heels on..

 

I bet theyres more women with height preferneces then men with ass preferences..

 

If a girl claims she's rejecting a guy because he's 5 inches taller.... I'd wager there's like 95% chance she's lying.

 

There is some other reason that she doesn't want to date him. But, it's not socially acceptable for women to express a lot of their preferences. Look at how stuck you guys are on calling women shallow for wanting to date tall guys. It doesn't matter if that's her ONLY requirement, you still label her as shallow while you list that the girl you want needs to be under a certain weight, of a certain height, and have this specific amount of physical attractiveness.

 

Height is one of the few socially acceptable reasons women can reject men. So if a woman claims she doesn't want a guy, who is still taller than her, because of her height, it's pretty certain that there's something else going on.

[verhrzn]

PS: A lot of men have height requirements as well, they're just skewed against taller girls. Taller girls get way less action than shorter men. So if we're gonna knock women for being shallow for wanting taller men, then you better knock men for being shallow for wanting shorter girls.

 

Another OKCupid trend piece: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/the-biggest-lies-in-online-dating/

[AD1980]

If a girl claims she's rejecting a guy because he's 5 inches taller.... I'd wager there's like 95% chance she's lying.

 

There is some other reason that she doesn't want to date him. But, it's not socially acceptable for women to express a lot of their preferences. Look at how stuck you guys are on calling women shallow for wanting to date tall guys. It doesn't matter if that's her ONLY requirement, you still label her as shallow while you list that the girl you want needs to be under a certain weight, of a certain height, and have this specific amount of physical attractiveness.

 

Height is one of the few socially acceptable reasons women can reject men. So if a woman claims she doesn't want a guy, who is still taller than her, because of her height, it's pretty certain that there's something else going on.

 

Women have height and weight requiremnts as well..the idea that women dont mind fat guys [unless their fat themslves] is hillarious..

 

Women want a in shape guy as much as Men want an in shape women..

 

As far as tall women most guys i know have no problem datign taller women but we dont approach a lot of times because if we figure a guy must at least be taller then women when shes in heels then chances are slim that a women naturally taller then a guy will be interested..

[ptp]

Our chart shows how men have rated women, on a scale from 0 to 5. The curve is symmetric and surprisingly charitable: a woman is as likely to be considered extremely ugly as extremely beautiful, and the majority of women have been rated about “medium.” The chart looks normalized, even though it’s just the unfiltered opinions of our male users.

 

Given the popular wisdom that Hollywood, the Internet, and Photoshop have created unrealistic expectations of how a woman should look, I found the fairness and, well, realism, of this gray arc kind of heartening.

 

As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh.

 

end of conversation.

[Andy_K]

As opposed to women, who actually emailed unattractive men MORE. The more attractive a woman rated you, the LESS likely you were to get emails. And the "unattractive men" got smatterings of emails, instead of floods... suggesting that the women were selecting a different man than her neighbor. All the women weren't rushing to one man's email box.

 

I don't agree with your interpretation of the study. You're using 'attractiveness' and 'rated attractiveness' interchangeably, but there's a whole world of difference.

 

The women didn't email unattractive guys more. they emailed guys they considered unattractive more.

 

As you can see from the gray line, women rate an incredible 80% of guys as worse-looking than medium. Very harsh

 

For instance, the most attractive guys get 11× the messages the lowest-rated do. The medium-rated get about 4×.

 

Better looking guys still got more than 10x more messages then uglies. Better looking guys were likely to get more messages full stop. The confusing aspect is that since women rated 80% of guys as 'below average', when they thought they were writing to guys who weren't very attractive... they actually were.

[AD1980]

If were gonna post these articles vehrzn then hers an article showign how amazingly shallow women can be saying most women would only pick the shorter guy if the taller guy was basically a pedophile

 

 

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=2

[verhrzn]

Women have height and weight requiremnts as well..the idea that women dont mind fat guys [unless their fat themslves] is hillarious..

 

Women want a in shape guy as much as Men want an in shape women..

 

As far as tall women most guys i know have no problem datign taller women but we dont approach a lot of times because if we figure a guy must at least be taller then women when shes in heels then chances are slim that a women naturally taller then a guy will be interested..

 

Well, then that last part is your fault isn't it? It's your assumption that a woman who is tall wouldn't date a short guy... when in fact the data shows taller women are MUCH more likely to date shorter guys. So by labeling all women as shallow, and saying they only want guys of a certain height, you're actually shooting yourselves in the foot.

 

And while I'd agree that most women don't want an OBESE man, I think the average woman doesn't mind a guy who isn't super in shape. If you're going for a super trim woman who spends a lot of her time running and at the gym, then uh YEAH, you're gonna need to be slim. But I don't think it holds true for most women.... I've always been in substantially better shape than the guys I've dated. Most of my girlfriends are dating guys that have something of a belly, even though they themselves do not.

 

In other words, I think a woman who is in decent shape wouldn't mind dating a guy who had some poundage on him. Try finding me as many guys who are in decent shape who would date a chubby/overweight (but not obese) girl.

[verhrzn]

If were gonna post these articles vehrzn then hers an article showign how amazingly shallow women can be saying most women would only pick the shorter guy if the taller guy was basically a pedophile

 

 

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=2

 

The "experiment" they conducted is in no way scientific. There's no control group, and they don't mention how many women or what demographic the women are from. Are they white? Black? Middle aged? College students? When they say "groups" of women, do they mean 5 women? 10 women? The study is not representative at all.

[ThaWholigan]

But I fundamentally disagree that most women want the hot model guy. I certainly do not. If, by some Genie wish, a hot model guy hit on me, I probably turn and flee in the other direction. Find me a guy who claims he'd run away from Scarlett Johansen throwing herself at him.

 

Yeah, women "oo" and "ahh" over tall, muscular guys. But I know nary a one that would actually date him, even given the opportunity. You look at their boyfriends, and their husbands, and the guys are night-and-day to the models. One of my good friends thinks Chris Hemsworth is heaven on Earth (my response is: "Meh") and yet simultaneously thinks her bespectacled, stick-thin nerd boy is the hottest thing since sliced bread.

 

That's as opposed to my male friends, who maybe don't necessarily demand a Scarlett Johansen look a like, but their girlfriend better be in the same vein. In my experience, guys seem to have a "feature" that they insist a romantic partner have... blonde hair, big boobs, nice butt, what have you. There is no female equivalent of the "a** man."

 

I don't doubt you, I actually think there is a large degree of truth to what you're saying. I don't deny your reality, just like I don't deny the reality of many men here. It is 2 way to me. There are things I am inherently attracted to physically, I can admit that, and I'm not a man to complain if I don't get it now. Patience is something I value and try to uphold within myself.

 

I find that with women, attraction isn't as physical for them as it is for men. We have a broad range of what we find physically attractive IMO, at least I do anyway. Women are less likely to be completely turned on by a man's appearance. All it takes is for a hot guy to say one stupid thing to a woman and she will be turned off. That's the difference IMO.

 

So I think that there is a truth to what you are saying, but not to the extreme that it is portrayed, just like in the way I see guys post about their woes. I always maintain that despite my poor dating life, it is all my own problems that are getting in the way, and I am comfortable admitting that.