Why does it seem its like theyre's more lonely guys out there then women?

[AD1980]

In terms of people who cant even find a date or any interest at all from the opposite sex it seems to be a lot more Men then women..

 

A girl like vehrzn sticks out on here because she seems to be one of the few women on here who cant attarct Men at all and even she had a few boyfriends and flings..

 

It seems like theryes tons of Men on here who are in their 20's and 30's and never been with a women at all..

 

I wonder the reason that there is such disparity and more struggle with men

[ThaWholigan]

In terms of people who cant even find a date or any interest at all from the opposite sex it seems to be a lot more Men then women..

 

A girl like vehrzn sticks out on here because she seems to be one of the few women on here who cant attarct Men at all and even she had a few boyfriends and flings..

 

It seems like theryes tons of Men on here who are in their 20's and 30's and never been with a women at all..

 

I wonder the reason that there is such disparity and more struggle with men

 

I don't think there is necessarily more struggle with men, just that it is perhaps a tad more highlighted for a number of reasons.

 

Women generally seem to be able to tolerate being on their own at the expense of a less than satisfactory encounter. A man on the other hand, may not even be able to get such an encounter.

 

In the event that they are (and a lot of the time they are), they are often not willing - just like the women. Not a lot of difference.

 

I think that this is a phenomenon that is given more credence online than in real life. I think if there was no internet, we would not even hear the anecdotes of a mans loneliness as frequently as we currently do. Women will lament their grievances equally on either platform, but not to the extent that men have on the internet, primarily because men would get chastised quite heavily if they were open with how they truly feel about being considered undesirable by women in real life. In my experience anyway.

 

I think it's more to do with the fact that male virgins have found a place to vent rather than there being more lonely guys than women.

[verhrzn]

I don't think there is necessarily more struggle with men, just that it is perhaps a tad more highlighted for a number of reasons.

 

I think that this is a phenomenon that is given more credence online than in real life. I think if there was no internet, we would not even hear the anecdotes of a mans loneliness as frequently as we currently do. Women will lament their grievances equally on either platform, but not to the extent that men have on the internet, primarily because men would get chastised quite heavily if they were open with how they truly feel about being considered undesirable by women in real life. In my experience anyway.

 

I think it's more to do with the fact that male virgins have found a place to vent rather than there being more lonely guys than women.

 

Completely agree.

 

Glancing outside of internet forums like this one, there are TONS of articles about how desperate single women are, how they can't find guys, and how more and more women are ending up un-married. I have yet to see a single news article that discusses a similar phenomenon for guys.

 

Case in point: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/gals_date_fright_not_enough_guys_jgxBNJtUvu9arN7K1kawFM

[Ross MwcFan]

Because men are a lot more easier to get than women.

[Ross MwcFan]

Because it's a lot more easier for a woman to get a man, than it is for a man to get a woman.

[Feelsgoodman]

Most women don't have to actively pursue in order to end up in a relationship. Even a girl who is not particularly attractive, shy and depressed (worst case scenario) will get approached every now and then. On the other hand, a man who is unattractive, shy and depressed will not get approached by a woman in a million years.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Perhaps men are more willing to admit they suck with the opposite sex than women.

[MrNate 2.0]

You would honestly be surprised at the amount of women who really do want a nice, confident, bold man.

 

Trust me, they're suffering just as much as lonely men are. It takes two to make a relationship. I highly doubt a large amount of these women out there are sharing one boyfriend.

[ThaWholigan]

Because men are a lot more easier to get than women.

 

That may be true, but one thing you have to understand is that men may be easier to get, but they may not be desirable for a number of reasons, and vice versa with some women out there.

 

I think there are many ways for both sexes to augment their appearances to look more attractive as well as making themselves attractive outside of appearances. Some don't really do this.

 

Looking from an unbiased POV, men's problems with attraction are very difficult to solve (I know this 1st hand) but definitely solvable.

[iris219]

You must not read my threads.

[Nexus One]

Why does it seem its like theyre's more lonely guys out there then women?

 

Because there are more men born than women. For every 100 women, 105 men are born. The scale only tips at very old age, as women tend to get older than men.

 

In the age range 0-65 there are 5% more men on the planet.

 

Source: http://bit.ly/52r8h

[ThaWholigan]

Perhaps men are more willing to admit they suck with the opposite sex than women.

 

This is kinda true. Women will admit they are lonely but I have yet to see one attribute any blame to themselves. Men do this too, but the ratio of realization of their own suckiness tends to be higher in men.

 

Most women don't have to actively pursue in order to end up in a relationship. Even a girl who is not particularly attractive, shy and depressed (worst case scenario) will get approached every now and then. On the other hand, a man who is unattractive, shy and depressed will not get approached by a woman in a million years.

 

This is just the way the pendulum swings. The best you can do is accept that men are expected to initiate and figure out how to do that effectively. That's what I'm doing anyway.....

 

You would honestly be surprised at the amount of women who really do want a nice, confident, bold man.

 

Trust me, they're suffering just as much as lonely men are. It takes two to make a relationship. I highly doubt a large amount of these women out there are sharing one boyfriend.

 

I agree. There are attributes that men should cultivate that they don't unfortunately. Women also should meet halfway and do more, but lets make sure we are on point ourselves, then they would be happier to date us.

[El Brujo]

Because women get a kick out of withholding sex from horny men (and withholding love from lonely ones).

 

Women know that love and sex are commodities, just like oil and steel. By withholding their supply, they force the demand up. Simple as that.

[Nexus One]

The best you can do is accept that men are expected to initiate and figure out how to do that effectively. That's what I'm doing anyway.....

 

...

 

There are attributes that men should cultivate that they don't unfortunately. Women also should meet halfway and do more, but lets make sure we are on point ourselves, then they would be happier to date us.

 

I agree with that attitude. That's the way to about things.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Because there are more men born than women. For every 100 women, 105 men are born. The scale only tips at very old age, as women tend to get older than men.

 

In the age range 0-65 there are 5% more men on the planet.

 

Source: http://bit.ly/52r8h

That number is skewed thanks to China. I heard in Russia there are 3 women for every 1 man.

This is kinda true. Women will admit they are lonely but I have yet to see one attribute any blame to themselves. Men do this too, but the ratio of realization of their own suckiness tends to be higher in men.

 

Agreed. It's difficult to meet women who blame themselves entirely or even mainly for their relationship failures.

[Nexus One]

That number is skewed thanks to China.

 

While it's skewed even more in China, it doesn't affect the ratio in the US and EU, which are 100 to 105 and 100 to 106, i.e. pretty much equal to the world's average.

[johan]

I'm sure it only seems that way.

 

I've found guys to gripe about it and have entitlement issues more than women do. You can often tell a guy is single just by watching and listening to him. He'll act and sound desperate and urgent and unsure. Men tend to wear their desperation on their sleeves. There aren't many men who can feel content without a woman in their lives.

 

Women are completely different. If you see a group of women together, you won't be able to judge as easily just by mannerisms which are single. They are much more subtle about it, and generally find it easier to feel content without a man in their lives. At least on the surface. Their desperation is only apparent after you get close to them.

 

Sometimes there is a geographical component. The man/woman ratio in some areas makes a difference.

[ThaWholigan]

I'm sure it only seems that way.

 

I've found guys to gripe about it and have entitlement issues more than women do. You can often tell a guy is single just by watching and listening to him. He'll act and sound desperate and urgent and unsure. Men tend to wear their desperation on their sleeves. There aren't many men who can feel content without a woman in their lives.

 

Women are completely different. If you see a group of women together, you won't be able to judge as easily just by mannerisms which are single. They are much more subtle about it, and generally find it easier to feel content without a man in their lives. At least on the surface. Their desperation is only apparent after you get close to them.

 

Sometimes there is a geographical component. The man/woman ratio in some areas makes a difference.

 

See, in my experience, in real life, men may not talk about their loneliness, but you can definitely see it in them. You see their desperation, their desire, and their fear.

 

Not so apparent with women.

[grkBoy]

A girl like vehrzn sticks out on here because she seems to be one of the few women on here who cant attarct Men at all and even she had a few boyfriends and flings..

 

Vehrzn is one of the few women willing to OPENLY TALK ABOUT IT here among men. So many other lonely women out there will walk around with a bold "I don't need a man" mentality, but when they're with close friends they'll cry/lament on how they can't find love.

 

Modern women have been pushed by feminism to carry themselves as if they don't need anyone. Men nowadays though are being more pushed to see themselves as "worthless" if they can't get a woman.

 

 

It seems like theryes tons of Men on here who are in their 20's and 30's and never been with a women at all..

 

I wonder the reason that there is such disparity and more struggle with men

 

The hard reality IMHO is too many guys are honestly CLUELESS...and it shocks me what I see/hear happening. I'm not just talking about the stereotypical dorky guy who can't dress well and carry a conversation...but even guys who have the looks/social skills...but are clueless on how to date and be in a relationship.

 

Guys who have short tempers and are very insecure, guys who seemingly think a woman is supposed to put out on the first date, or sex is supposed to be like porn, or they're supposed to be "single and bangin for life".

 

I've lately heard more women tell me of dating experiences with guys who seemingly can approach and even get the date/number...but then from there they do a 180 and completely fail at actual dating and relationships.

 

 

You also have to bear in mind these message forums are havens for men to complain. Go on a site like iVillage and you'll see loads of women complaining.

[verhrzn]

Vehrzn is one of the few women willing to OPENLY TALK ABOUT IT here among men. So many other lonely women out there will walk around with a bold "I don't need a man" mentality, but when they're with close friends they'll cry/lament on how they can't find love.

 

Modern women have been pushed by feminism to carry themselves as if they don't need anyone. Men nowadays though are being more pushed to see themselves as "worthless" if they can't get a woman.

 

 

The hard reality IMHO is too many guys are honestly CLUELESS...and it shocks me what I see/hear happening. I'm not just talking about the stereotypical dorky guy who can't dress well and carry a conversation...but even guys who have the looks/social skills...but are clueless on how to date and be in a relationship.

 

Guys who have short tempers and are very insecure, guys who seemingly think a woman is supposed to put out on the first date, or sex is supposed to be like porn, or they're supposed to be "single and bangin for life".

 

I've lately heard more women tell me of dating experiences with guys who seemingly can approach and even get the date/number...but then from there they do a 180 and completely fail at actual dating and relationships.

 

 

You also have to bear in mind these message forums are havens for men to complain. Go on a site like iVillage and you'll see loads of women complaining.

 

Nailed it on every level. In our living rooms, in a dark corner of a bar, bent over a pint of ice cream or a Tequilla Sunrise, a lot of women admit how sad they are that they can't find a guy to date, like they're a failure of a woman.

 

There's an article on Gawker right now about how women can't have both a job and love. The site seems a big influx of female posters, and much of the comments are women lamenting about how lonely they are.

[ThaWholigan]

The hard reality IMHO is too many guys are honestly CLUELESS...and it shocks me what I see/hear happening. I'm not just talking about the stereotypical dorky guy who can't dress well and carry a conversation...but even guys who have the looks/social skills...but are clueless on how to date and be in a relationship.

 

This is shockingly accurate. I have seen the way some men behave in these situations and even I have winced in embarrassment, hoping that I don't come across as bad as that (thankfully I don't )

[Disenchantedly Yours]

I don't think there is necessarily more struggle with men, just that it is perhaps a tad more highlighted for a number of reasons.

 

Women generally seem to be able to tolerate being on their own at the expense of a less than satisfactory encounter. A man on the other hand, may not even be able to get such an encounter.

 

In the event that they are (and a lot of the time they are), they are often not willing - just like the women. Not a lot of difference.

 

I think that this is a phenomenon that is given more credence online than in real life. I think if there was no internet, we would not even hear the anecdotes of a mans loneliness as frequently as we currently do. Women will lament their grievances equally on either platform, but not to the extent that men have on the internet, primarily because men would get chastised quite heavily if they were open with how they truly feel about being considered undesirable by women in real life. In my experience anyway.

 

I think it's more to do with the fact that male virgins have found a place to vent rather than there being more lonely guys than women.

 

Fabulously insightful ThaWholigan.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Nailed it on every level. In our living rooms, in a dark corner of a bar, bent over a pint of ice cream or a Tequilla Sunrise, a lot of women admit how sad they are that they can't find a guy to date, like they're a failure of a woman.

 

There's an article on Gawker right now about how women can't have both a job and love. The site seems a big influx of female posters, and much of the comments are women lamenting about how lonely they are.

I read that article by Gawker and there's nothing scientific about it. It was just a bunch of gossip and gibberish. Nor did I see any lonely women lamenting their relationship lifestyles in the comment section.

[Mrlonelyone]

Passed on to you by one who has lived in both roles.

 

I really don't think, as others have pointed out, that women can handel being alone better. They just have more real life outlets for this in the form of their real world friends. Men's friendships are more superficial and talking about emotions is frowned upon in them. Notably that is even true among gay men.

 

More over there are simply some men who no matter what cannot get a woman. I have yet to meet a woman who could not get a man. Short, tall, fat, skinny, deformed, mentally slow, etc...all have had men by age 25. This makes men more likely to be involuntarily celibate.

 

To top it all off a man who's incel will be judged harshly.

 

TL;DR Women have more real life outlets for their emotional frustrations. Men are judged harshly for being virgins over a certain age. This all adds up to lots of frustration to vent.

[El Brujo]

To top it all off a man who's incel will be judged harshly.

 

Try being male and openly asexual. Good thing for me I'm 6'6" and built like a pro wrestler.