dasein Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 Why yes of course, we are all shallow and selfish to an infinite degree . The femindustry relies on a continuous bilge of "unresearch" pumped out through femculture organs such as the NYT to forward its agenda. The linked study says more about the gullibility and easily bought votes of women today than it does about men.
goldengirl11 Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 What do you guys think of false eyelashes? All the girls in my opinion who I think most men would find hot wear them! I'm female though and think they usually look OTT!
silvermercy Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 I rarely wear makeup because I think it would be like presenting a fake product to the world. I think I can be pretty without it. Also, it's a time-consuming and expensive habit. The makeup industry gets on my nerves with their ads and the constant attempts to create insecurities in women. Because that's their goal. To make you keep thinking you're not pretty enough, but, hey, don't worry, they will solve it as long as you keep giving them your money. Some of the worst ads are the "get the poreless look" kind. Yeah, because women do not have pores... If you see men's ads though they are very visible. Even scars are nice. But women must look like china dolls to be considered pretty.
MrNate 2.0 Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 It depends for me. I know only about two women who look absolutely gorgeous to me au naturale' but again, most women look fine with just some make up on. It kind of makes you wonder, why was make up invented anyway? I would say most guys prefer just the modest 'i care about how I present myself' look.
lululucy Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 I rarely wear makeup because I think it would be like presenting a fake product to the world. I think I can be pretty without it. Also, it's a time-consuming and expensive habit. The makeup industry gets on my nerves with their ads and the constant attempts to create insecurities in women. Because that's their goal. To make you keep thinking you're not pretty enough, but, hey, don't worry, they will solve it as long as you keep giving them your money. Some of the worst ads are the "get the poreless look" kind. Yeah, because women do not have pores... If you see men's ads though they are very visible. Even scars are nice. But women must look like china dolls to be considered pretty. The pore thing is one of my biggest pet peeves!! They airbrush the hell out of women (cause believe me, those products don't work as well as they say) whereas men get to have as many gaping holes as they want and it adds character. Pfft. I don't mind people using makeup to enhance your natural features but trying to hide behind a cakey mess is just sad all around. Once in a while I'll do the whole fake eyelashes, crazy eyeshadow but it's for fun and because I love playing with makeup. I do have a good friend who wears fake lashes and full makeup EVERY -FREAKING - DAY. Ew.
Ninjainpajamas Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 The problem with looking natural, is that most women looking natural look a little peasantish...like out of some medieval movie where nothing was done at the time to enhance beauty and you spent hours washing clothes and picking vegetables. Guys like a woman who is well-kept and wearing some make-up but not to the point you can really tell. You have to realize that men don't notice the small amounts of make-up or at least it's very difficult to see as we don't know much about it. So the natural look for guys is probably light make-up in reality. The other problem is a lot of women don't look all that great without make-up at all either...men like women who are naturally beautiful...however If you're not a natural beauty then obviously It's in your best interest to look as good as you can. It's hard to judge by what men tell you as well, since they are typically trying to get in your pants/score brownie points.
Lonely Ronin Posted December 28, 2011 Posted December 28, 2011 that has been my experience too...i'm sure no man would for pass up these three in favor of the plain jane with no make up...it's just what men tell women to make them feel better Personally I like the natural look, I'm a bare minerals, and basic eyeliner type of guy. http://i.imgur.com/kiHwr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2Dk2U.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ukGlx.jpg The first thing that came to mind when I opened these photos was porn! I'd take either of these two over those three. http://www.bopandtigerbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/stylefilevicjustice.jpg http://images2.chictopia.com/photos/Britt_Whit/4785897806/forever21-dress-express-jeans-asos-sweater-dsw-heels_400.jpg
norajane Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 The problem with looking natural, is that most women looking natural look a little peasantish...like out of some medieval movie where nothing was done at the time to enhance beauty and you spent hours washing clothes and picking vegetables. Guys like a woman who is well-kept and wearing some make-up but not to the point you can really tell. You have to realize that men don't notice the small amounts of make-up or at least it's very difficult to see as we don't know much about it. So the natural look for guys is probably light make-up in reality. The other problem is a lot of women don't look all that great without make-up at all either...men like women who are naturally beautiful...however If you're not a natural beauty then obviously It's in your best interest to look as good as you can. It's hard to judge by what men tell you as well, since they are typically trying to get in your pants/score brownie points. So what happens the first time you see a girl you've been dating without any make-up?
callingyouuu Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 The first thing that came to mind when I opened these photos was porn! I'd take either of these two over those three. http://www.bopandtigerbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/stylefilevicjustice.jpg http://images2.chictopia.com/photos/Britt_Whit/4785897806/forever21-dress-express-jeans-asos-sweater-dsw-heels_400.jpg Same here. Makeup is fine unless you don't look remotely human afterwards.
TheFinalWord Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) The problem with looking natural, is that most women looking natural look a little peasantish...like out of some medieval movie where nothing was done at the time to enhance beauty and you spent hours washing clothes and picking vegetables. Guys like a woman who is well-kept and wearing some make-up but not to the point you can really tell. You have to realize that men don't notice the small amounts of make-up or at least it's very difficult to see as we don't know much about it. So the natural look for guys is probably light make-up in reality. The other problem is a lot of women don't look all that great without make-up at all either...men like women who are naturally beautiful...however If you're not a natural beauty then obviously It's in your best interest to look as good as you can. It's hard to judge by what men tell you as well, since they are typically trying to get in your pants/score brownie points. I see what you are saying. I can tell you the girl I'm seeing right now wears little make up (less than others I've dated) and I find her the most attractive of the women I've been with. She does however take really good care of her skin. She uses a lot of anti-aging products and does various beauty treatments (don't ask me ). Her eyes and skin always look healthy and radiant. She's 29, but you would think she was 21 with how good her skin looks. Personally, I think there is no substitute for a girl that takes good care of what she's got. So that's what I mean by natural. Her hair, nails, and skin are well taken care of and it makes her more feminine and attractive. But she also has the girl next door look and personality, which makes her 100x more attractive to me I would never go for one of those girls linked earlier in the thread. I guess to each his own and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but that look is a major turn off for me. Edited December 29, 2011 by TheFinalWord
dasein Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 If women spent 1/5 the time they spend shopping for and applying makeup in the gym or getting vigorous exercise, there would be no contest at all between the makeup look and the natural look. Trouble is it's harder to fawn on yourself and play "pwetty pwincess mirror mirror" games while doing real exercise. Much easier to sit on one's ass and apply paint than do anything requiring real effort in pursuit of meaningful change in appearance.
somedude81 Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 If you want to get a "typically hot" guy, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to be "typically hot" yourself... Nailed it on the very first reply.
gaius Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 sorry, but i'm not buying it. men are shallow and selfish, and what i've just found confirms it once again. i just stumbled across this study: Divorce Risk Higher When Wife Gets Sick - NYTimes.com makes me never want to marry or be in a committed relationship... That's unfortunate you would let 1/5th ruin the other 4/5th for you. Spend some time in a cancer ward and you might come to see just how devoted some guys can be to their wives.
Els Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Personally I like the natural look, I'm a bare minerals, and basic eyeliner type of guy. The first thing that came to mind when I opened these photos was porn! I'd take either of these two over those three. http://www.bopandtigerbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/stylefilevicjustice.jpg http://images2.chictopia.com/photos/Britt_Whit/4785897806/forever21-dress-express-jeans-asos-sweater-dsw-heels_400.jpg I think the bolded is key here. Natural look, not truly natural. That's perfectly fine - everyone is entitled to their own preferences. It just amuses me when some men claim that 'the less money and effort spent the better', and that they truly like 'natural'... when they don't. The photos you linked are a clear indication of what is not natural. Yes, the girls are wearing casual clothes and makeup applied so as to -look- natural and not stand out. But they are every bit as primped as Nancy's links; there is not anything more 'natural' about them. That hair is most definitely blowdried, straightened, and styled, not natural. That skin is definitely the recipient of plenty of beauty products, and in both cases there definitely is makeup on. The eyebrows are tweezed/waxed to perfection. The toenails are painted and pedicured. The stride you need to take in those heels is as unnatural as walking gets. I'm not slamming on you, LR - in fact, I think it's great that you are one of the more perceptive men, recognizing that you enjoy the natural 'look', rather than attempting to make the claims some of the other men here are. I just thought your links were a good example to make my point. There are men who genuinely do enjoy 'natural' women who don't do the above - but for every one of them, there are two who enjoy the primped look while claiming with all certainty that the look they enjoy is effortless and natural. That.. is about as true as saying that Arnie S.'s body is perfectly natural and the result of hard work in the gym. Edited December 29, 2011 by Elswyth
counterman Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Some girls look better with make-up then without. I prefer a little bit of make-up to polish things up, nothing too excessive.
silvermercy Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 In the Renaissance, it was mostly men who wore more makeup than the women! How times change eh... It'd be interesting to see now a thread about what men do to be attractive to the other gender in physical terms (other than body-building, which I don't think many men do statistically). Is being clean and having a facial shave enough? Actually, women are lucky if they get those, too! On the other hand, we have women making the impossible possible: thousands of dollars spent on makeup, expensive beauty creams (that don't work), body oils and lotions, pedicures, manicures, shaving at least half of their body on a daily basis, painful waxing, bleaching, hair salon visits, diet pills, extreme diets and exercise, detox plans, sexy lingerie and on a more permanent basis: laser treatments, electrolysis, botox, dermal fillers and, even worse, boob jobs, nose jobs, facelifts and liposuction. And there are more in the list. It's a multi-billion dollar industry. And the main "clients" in all of the above are women. Scary to think how women are pressured to enhance their beauty but at the same time look as remotely away as possible from women! (Hey, at least men should not complain if women take 2 hours to prepare for an appointment. Now you know why.)
stillafool Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Meh, they're OK. Not my cup of tea, but then, I like black/mixed raced/latin girls more anyway....... Most of those girls hardly need any makeup at all.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 I do. I hate fake orange tans, plastic tits, dyed blonde hair, and looking waifer thin. I've got no idea how most guys find those things attractive.
Nexus One Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 that has been my experience too...i'm sure no man would for pass up these three in favor of the plain jane with no make up...it's just what men tell women to make them feel better http://i.imgur.com/kiHwr.jpg http://i.imgur.com/2Dk2U.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ukGlx.jpg There's a difference between hot women and beautiful women. What you posted are hot women. For example a woman like Natalie Portman is classically beautiful in my opinion, along the lines of Audrey Hepburn, emanating natural beauty, class and good taste. Women that are classically beautiful are still beautiful without makeup. And I don't say that to make anyone feel better. The thing about hot women is that many men would have a one night stand with them, but a lot of men don't tend to consider hot women as girlfriend material. Because A LOT of guys split attractive women into two groups: "hot women" and "potential girlfriend material". If you as a woman want lots of sex, then by all means doll up as a hot chick. If you're looking for a boyfriend and a serious relationship, then go for a beautiful look that emanates class and good taste. Both types of looks are attractive, but they serve different purposes. It's like putting different types of bait on a hook to attract different types of fish.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Wait, I've chnaged my mind. Dyed blonde hair can sometimes look good.
dasein Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 Scary to think how women are pressured to enhance their beauty but at the same time look as remotely away as possible from women! If women are in fact pressured, it is mostly internal pressure, with the external portion coming from female industries, not much from men. Men neither require nor expect the things you list, women do those things out of pure internal vanity and insecurity, and competition. Male preference? maybe responsible for 15-20% of it. Now of course women will go to great lengths to keep a grip on a man way above and outside her dating market value, but that particular vicissitude can't be laid at the door of men as a gender either.
silvermercy Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) If women are in fact pressured, it is mostly internal pressure, with the external portion coming from female industries, not much from men. Men neither require nor expect the things you list, women do those things out of pure internal vanity and insecurity, and competition. Male preference? maybe responsible for 15-20% of it. Now of course women will go to great lengths to keep a grip on a man way above and outside her dating market value, but that particular vicissitude can't be laid at the door of men as a gender either. I never said that men are 100% responsible for this. It's a combo of a little bit of everything. So then... you have to ask, why aren't men bothered to go to the same lengths? Why don't they have nose jobs or facelifts more often for example? I refuse to believe this is based on simple biology or gender differences. I think it's much more complicated and very cultural: i.e. a man with scars is handsome but a women with scars (or God-forbid, pores) are either ugly or average. For example, why are women in the West less catered for in terms of products that are aimed towards their sexuality but in the far East they are seen as great consumers (millions of "yaoi" comics or mouse pads featuring hunks, for example)? Female industries have ads of female products that are manufactured by men. Also, how about porn? Man-made for men. Even if women don't watch it they will still be indirectly influenced, the new generation of teens especially. So, yes, maybe women ARE insecure and there IS internal pressure, but what drives these feelings? And where does this desire for competition come from? In the harem, for example, concubines competed with each other. Why? So as to appeal more to the man in charge. Had this man not existed I doubt they would bother. Maybe they would fight for other reasons but not for dominance over sexual power. I also don't think it's simple vanity. (Vanity is the excessive belief in one's own abilities or attractiveness to others). Some have it. But I think the majority of women who go to such lengths (and there are a lot) suffer from a degree of low self-esteem because of this societal pressure. So, I think media pressure (from all directions) -> low self-esteem--> intensive and extensive attempts to reach an unrealistic beauty ideal. So, where men come into this? Well... in the West at least, they make not much of an effort to tip the balance to the other side. For example, ads featuring male semi-nude men are rare and far in between (and are usually made by gay fashion designers). It's this imbalance in everything that seems to hold men responsible - to a certain degree at least. Women always shout "give us more eye-candy" for example, but unless they go to gay websites, they won't find that very easily. For some reason society believes women have no eyes or not much sexual desire, which is false. Now if there was balance, both genders would either be both culturally pressured or not pressured at all. Edited December 29, 2011 by silvermercy
FitChick Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 The fastest growing segment of the population opting for plastic surgery, fillers, botox, hair transplants and lipo are men, especially men over forty who don't want to lose their jobs due to ageism. If it makes them look and feel better, I am all for it.
silvermercy Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 The fastest growing segment of the population opting for plastic surgery, fillers, botox, hair transplants and lipo are men, especially men over forty who don't want to lose their jobs due to ageism. If it makes them look and feel better, I am all for it. That's ageism though and not sexism. Women start having surgeries in their teens.
Andy_K Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 If women spent 1/5 the time they spend shopping for and applying makeup in the gym or getting vigorous exercise, there would be no contest at all between the makeup look and the natural look. Trouble is it's harder to fawn on yourself and play "pwetty pwincess mirror mirror" games while doing real exercise. Much easier to sit on one's ass and apply paint than do anything requiring real effort in pursuit of meaningful change in appearance. So true. A girl who spends an hour a day exercising (for free!) is going to blow out of the water a girl who spends an hour a day applying expensive makeup. With regards 'looking better to attract men', getting makeup tips is like trying to become a tennis pro by buying a more expensive racket. Your efforts are far better directed elsewhere.
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