AD1980 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I get my information from recent articles and studies done. And don't kidd yourself in thinking that just because you see an advertisement online, that a woman is working independently and there is no pimp involved. A lot of times that is how the pimp operates his network, and it is often the pimp himself that is creating those ads and responding to customer emails and texts. Whatever the bottom line is women arent attracted to me and i desire and want sex badly so it's the only way i can get it.. Well agree to disagree but im not gonna go a sexless life becasue some stranger thinks what i do is immoral
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Spoken like somebody who doesn't have a penis, or a clue. I'm not making this stuff up, dear boy. That is what studies show to be true. It's not an opinion. It's what studies have shown.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 The reaction is because of the sheer volume of men that hookers have sex with, and put themselves and their customers at risk of contracting an STD.[/Quote] Contracting an STD isn't about numbers. You can get an STD from having sex once in your life. Most high class escorts go to the Dr every week (for health reasons, but also business ones. If you are giving people STD's, nobody's going to use your services), in places where it's legal it's mandated to get STD checks or you lose your license. Meanwhile, the average girl I know doesn't get an STD check even every 6 months. If you want to go by safety/health alone, Pros 1 typical woman 0 Also, the fact that a man would be so pathetic as to commercialize the act, it brings sex to such a low, that women can't get past that.[/Quote] So what? Chad and Brad Bro-Dudes that are pollinating all the pretty pink flowers at 13th Grade University have no sacred or esoteric respect for sex either. And trust me, most girls these days aren't exactly into Tantric fcking. If I had a choice, there are many things I wouldn't be able to get past with women sexually, but I understand we are all people and to have a billion hang ups is just silly. Women who have had one night stands are just as gross as guys who have had a one night stand for 150 dollars. Judging from the type of man women sleep with on the first date, such as crack dealers and mentally retarded steroid users, I would actually argue that the typical woman is more disgusting than someone whose done it with a prostitute. Pros 2 - Typical woman 0 The high risk and low standards create too big of a hurdle for women to want to deal with in a man. And don't kid yourself that just because the hooker is not walking the streets, that means she's not feeding a drug habit or a pimp.[/Quote] So what? Plenty of non-hookers have drug addictions too. How do I know the girl I'm chatting up at the bar isn't a drug addict or harboring an STD? This is just more fear mongering based on mythology. I had a chick at a bar once teasing my cock into following her around the corner from a night club, only to be met with her probably drug dealing boyfriend holding a gun to my head for my wallet. Atleast with a hooker I know to stay sharp and not let my guard down. Pros 3 - Typical woman 0 Of course it's different from a one night stand. A prostitute sees an average of 2 or 3 customers every night. That means 60 strangers a month, 720 strangers per year. If she were in the business for four years, that would mean a minimum of 2,880 partners in four years.[/Quote] Prostitutes don't work every night. This is mumbo jumbo. There is no difference between the morals of a prostitute and your average mid 20's urban chick. The only real difference is that with a prostitute, you can pay her 150 bucks and have her for 30 minutes. With even an average looking NYC chick in her 20's, you can only penetrate that Berlin Wall between you and her vagina if you're making 6 figures, play in a band or look like a fitness magazine cover. Even the most permiscuous women who are not prostitutes would never come anywhere near those figures, with most people in the upper range of permiscuity reporting less than 30 total partners in a lifetime. Most women lie and underestimate, most men lie and overestimate (in my experience). The average woman has had a lot of sex by 30, for anyone "sexually liberated" to feel superior morally to a prostitute is hilarious.
somedude81 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 My sexual history is not the topic of discussion here. The negative effects of prostitution is the topic of discussion, and the pros and cons of going to one. I take that as a yes then. Congratulations, you have been with the male equivalent of a prostitute. You had sex with somebody who most likely had been with a large number of partners. You had sex with somebody without knowing them nor did either of you care about the other beyond sex. I hope it was enjoyable considering all the risks.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I take that as a yes then. Congratulations, you have been with the male equivalent of a prostitute. You had sex with somebody who most likely had been with a large number of partners. You had sex with somebody without knowing them nor did either of you care about the other beyond sex. I hope it was enjoyable considering all the risks. This is going to fly over her head like an F-18 at trans sonic speed. A modern American woman lecturing anyone about their sexual morals is something out of the twilight zone.
aj22one Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 This is going to fly over her head like an F-18 at trans sonic speed. A modern American woman lecturing anyone about their sexual morals is something out of the twilight zone. Not just that, but she strikes me as one of those types who believes that sending prostitutes and the johns who patronize them to jail makes America the "land of the free". What a joke. Far be it from me to suggest anyone go to a prostitute (whether you're a virgin or not) but I really don't get all the hyper moralizing about the issue, especially from KathyM.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I take that as a yes then. Congratulations, you have been with the male equivalent of a prostitute. You had sex with somebody who most likely had been with a large number of partners. You had sex with somebody without knowing them nor did either of you care about the other beyond sex. I hope it was enjoyable considering all the risks. No, dear boy. My one night stand consisted of a rape when I was 16. So no, I didn't know the guy, I didn't care about him, and he may have had a sorted sexual history. But I needed a ride home and naively trusted a stranger.
joystickd Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I get my information from recent articles and studies done. And don't kidd yourself in thinking that just because you see an advertisement online, that a woman is working independently and there is no pimp involved. A lot of times that is how the pimp operates his network, and it is often the pimp himself that is creating those ads and responding to customer emails and texts. Please articles and studies lol. A lot of prostitutes work independently. Pimps call them renegades and outlaws. You lack credibility in this. Until you can actually say you have talked to actual prostitutes then maybe you will have some authority on the issue. Here in NC women got busted for soliciting on craigslist. They were renegades and outlaws. These women in articles and studies probably lied to save their a$$
TheWatcher Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 No, dear boy. My one night stand consisted of a rape when I was 16. So no, I didn't know the guy, I didn't care about him, and he may have had a sorted sexual history. But I needed a ride home and naively trusted a stranger. Sorry about that KathyM... I think that most men (who are inexperienced & have trouble meeting women)would rather be with someone who they have some sort of connection with.They would relish the idea of meeting someone who enjoys and appreciates their company & have something develop organically. A lot of men who previously would never think of seeing an escort are now seriously entertaining the idea.We all would like to be that guy ;funny,successful,effortlessly charming,a great conversationalist who has an active dating/romantic life.At some point you realize that you're not that guy & you most likely never will be. A number of men are awkward,shy introverted and have no rapport whatsoever with women;some lack the self-esteem or confidence to try online dating.So, they see patronizing a prostitute as their last resort;they only way that will ever experience anything close to intimacy with a woman.Now,I'm not saying that being with an escort constitutes as intimate;far from it but some guys that's the closest they will EVER get. When you really think about it....it is more sad than morally wrong in a sense.
somedude81 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 No, dear boy. My one night stand consisted of a rape when I was 16. So no, I didn't know the guy, I didn't care about him, and he may have had a sorted sexual history. But I needed a ride home and naively trusted a stranger. Uh, getting raped does not equal having a one night stand. I don't know how you could even think that.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Uh, getting raped does not equal having a one night stand. I don't know how you could even think that. Depends what she means by rape. Nowadays rape could mean anything from a girl having a few drinks and then sleeping with a guy, to a 20 year old sleeping with a 15 year old, to actual sexual assault.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Yeah at least you know a guys using a condom with an escort these top 5% of tall hot sucesful men have god knows how many encounters with these floozies without a condom yet women dont seem to mind that:rolleyes: Actually, some prostitutes will do it without a condom for a higher price, and when most give oral, the condom usually comes off. Since 80% to 100% of prostitutes have contracted genital herpes, which can be transmitted even in the so called latent stage, and can be transmitted during intercourse even if a condom is used, and during oral sex when usually a condom is not used, that's a pretty high risk to be taking with your health. The rate of genital herpes among the general population is 20%. The rate is 80% to 100% for prostitudes, depending on which studies you look at.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Actually, some prostitutes will do it without a condom for a higher price, and when most give oral, the condom usually comes off. Since 80% to 100% of prostitutes have contracted genital herpes, which can be transmitted even in the so called latent stage, and can be transmitted during intercourse even if a condom is used, and during oral sex when usually a condom is not used, that's a pretty high risk to be taking with your health. The rate of genital herpes among the general population is 20%. The rate is 80% to 100% for prostitudes, depending on which studies you look at. 80-100% of prostitutes have genital herpes? PROOF?
PJKino Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Maybe if average women weren't so picky and think they deserve a 10 guys like me wouldn't need to get our sexual needs from escorts:rolleyes: I love sex and escorts are the only way for me to get it nobody is gonna tell me i cant have sex
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 You are refusing to see the male point of view. If I were to ask a typical girl for their sexual history, none of them would give me a straight answer. Why don't you detail to me your behavior KathyM? Are you a virgin ? If not , you have no right to judge. I think guys who have been with hookers like AD should throw them a little white lie, just like women do to us when we ask about their college years. And LOL at your concept of a prostitutes life. Yes, street hookers you pick up in your car are on drugs and unfortunately have pimps, but that's the fault of people who keep it illegal and don't have a legitimate , government run system like in Europe where heroin addicts and pimps are not allowed to participate. The one I tried to solicit had me meet her at her apartment in midtown manhattan , what a hard life she must be living She is so hard up on money, that she actually told me to go away (she thought I had a "cop haircut" lol). It is indeed expensive (this broad was going for 200 per half hour) but I worked about 60 hours last week and got lots of overtime for the holidays, I thought I deserved to treat myself for once. And even then, because of the illegal nature of this, it still didn't happen. This society blows. No man is going to choose the "emotionless" half an hour for money over a woman who genuinely loves them, but what about guys who have not seen a woman in what seems like a lifetime and see no light at the end of the tunnel? We still have needs, and something is always better than nothing. I can see why a girl whose starved for male affection would have a one night stand, why can't you see the male version of that? Instead of wagging your finger at men with a strong dose of typical American evangelical hypocrisy, try to understand why people do what they do. I understand your POV, I'm just saying it's not worth the risk. What little you get for that measly half hour is not worth the price you pay from the negatives and the risks. And don't kidd yourself into thinking only streetwalkers use drugs and have pimps. A lot of the internet girls do as well, you just don't know about it. So you got turned down, huh? lol. You do kind of look like a cop, judging from your prior avatar. Consider yourself lucky. You may have dodged a bullet. If you keep up the pursuit, you may not be so lucky next time. Something is not better than nothing if the something has so many negative aspects to it. The negatives far outweigh the benefits. You act like men cannot survive without sex. I know several virgin men who are doing just fine without it, and men who are celebate.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Contracting an STD isn't about numbers. You can get an STD from having sex once in your life. Most high class escorts go to the Dr every week (for health reasons, but also business ones. If you are giving people STD's, nobody's going to use your services), in places where it's legal it's mandated to get STD checks or you lose your license. Meanwhile, the average girl I know doesn't get an STD check even every 6 months. If you want to go by safety/health alone, Pros 1 typical woman 0 So what? Chad and Brad Bro-Dudes that are pollinating all the pretty pink flowers at 13th Grade University have no sacred or esoteric respect for sex either. And trust me, most girls these days aren't exactly into Tantric fcking. If I had a choice, there are many things I wouldn't be able to get past with women sexually, but I understand we are all people and to have a billion hang ups is just silly. Women who have had one night stands are just as gross as guys who have had a one night stand for 150 dollars. Judging from the type of man women sleep with on the first date, such as crack dealers and mentally retarded steroid users, I would actually argue that the typical woman is more disgusting than someone whose done it with a prostitute. Pros 2 - Typical woman 0 So what? Plenty of non-hookers have drug addictions too. How do I know the girl I'm chatting up at the bar isn't a drug addict or harboring an STD? This is just more fear mongering based on mythology. I had a chick at a bar once teasing my cock into following her around the corner from a night club, only to be met with her probably drug dealing boyfriend holding a gun to my head for my wallet. Atleast with a hooker I know to stay sharp and not let my guard down. Pros 3 - Typical woman 0 Prostitutes don't work every night. This is mumbo jumbo. There is no difference between the morals of a prostitute and your average mid 20's urban chick. The only real difference is that with a prostitute, you can pay her 150 bucks and have her for 30 minutes. With even an average looking NYC chick in her 20's, you can only penetrate that Berlin Wall between you and her vagina if you're making 6 figures, play in a band or look like a fitness magazine cover. Most women lie and underestimate, most men lie and overestimate (in my experience). The average woman has had a lot of sex by 30, for anyone "sexually liberated" to feel superior morally to a prostitute is hilarious. The higher the number of partners, the higher the risk. Prostitutes are high risk people because of the numbers. 2 to 3 partners a day are the average for them. Some days they might have none, some days they might have 4, 5 or more. That means 2,880 different partners in a four year period, compared to 1 to 30 partners in a lifetime for other people.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Please articles and studies lol. A lot of prostitutes work independently. Pimps call them renegades and outlaws. You lack credibility in this. Until you can actually say you have talked to actual prostitutes then maybe you will have some authority on the issue. Here in NC women got busted for soliciting on craigslist. They were renegades and outlaws. These women in articles and studies probably lied to save their a$$ Some work independently, some don't. You really don't know if there is a pimp in the picture. I've read interviews of prostitutes and former prostitutes who have described how they got into the business and the parameters surrounding it. Those women on Craigslist, a lot of them, have pimps. And there are a lot of sting operations going on with Craigslist, both with cops trying to arrest the prostitutes on there, and cops posing as prostitutes who will arrest you when you answer their ad and show up at their door.
Dust Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Some work independently, some don't. You really don't know if there is a pimp in the picture. I've read interviews of prostitutes and former prostitutes who have described how they got into the business and the parameters surrounding it. Those women on Craigslist, a lot of them, have pimps. And there are a lot of sting operations going on with Craigslist, both with cops trying to arrest the prostitutes on there, and cops posing as prostitutes who will arrest you when you answer their ad and show up at their door. How do you know so much about this?
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Sorry about that KathyM... I think that most men (who are inexperienced & have trouble meeting women)would rather be with someone who they have some sort of connection with.They would relish the idea of meeting someone who enjoys and appreciates their company & have something develop organically. A lot of men who previously would never think of seeing an escort are now seriously entertaining the idea.We all would like to be that guy ;funny,successful,effortlessly charming,a great conversationalist who has an active dating/romantic life.At some point you realize that you're not that guy & you most likely never will be. A number of men are awkward,shy introverted and have no rapport whatsoever with women;some lack the self-esteem or confidence to try online dating.So, they see patronizing a prostitute as their last resort;they only way that will ever experience anything close to intimacy with a woman.Now,I'm not saying that being with an escort constitutes as intimate;far from it but some guys that's the closest they will EVER get. When you really think about it....it is more sad than morally wrong in a sense. Sorry, but being shy and lacking self esteem is no reason to be engaging in harmful behavior. There is help available for personality issues, and if issues are physical, that does not prevent a guy from getting a regular woman. Sorry, but I'm calling it for what it is. It's destructive, both to the guy purchasing it, and to the prostitute for whom he is contributing to her destructive lifestyle.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Depends what she means by rape. Nowadays rape could mean anything from a girl having a few drinks and then sleeping with a guy, to a 20 year old sleeping with a 15 year old, to actual sexual assault. I'm talking about sexual assault by a stranger. I was perfectly sober at the time, but had missed my ride home and had no other way of getting home, so I trusted a guy to give me a ride home who seemed nice and decent and helpful. My mistake.
KathyM Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 How do you know so much about this? I do research projects for classes that I take in college. So I researched the subject when I was doing a project on sexual addiction.
Dust Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I do research projects for classes that I take in college. So I researched the subject when I was doing a project on sexual addiction. Interesting project actually.
Wolf18 Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 I understand your POV, I'm just saying it's not worth the risk. What little you get for that measly half hour is not worth the price you pay from the negatives and the risks. And don't kidd yourself into thinking only streetwalkers use drugs and have pimps. A lot of the internet girls do as well, you just don't know about it. So you got turned down, huh? lol. You do kind of look like a cop, judging from your prior avatar. Consider yourself lucky. You may have dodged a bullet. If you keep up the pursuit, you may not be so lucky next time. Something is not better than nothing if the something has so many negative aspects to it. The negatives far outweigh the benefits. Whether the negatives outweigh the benefits, is not up to you to decide. Almost everything people do is a calculated risk. A 30 year old virgin sleeping with his girlfriend for the first time, can catch the clap as easily as Charlie Sheen. Tomorrow your husband or boyfriend can have a homosexual secret, cheat with you at a glory hole at your local airport, and later put out a red carpet welcoming you to the world of AIDS. There are about 3 billion scenarios in which you can get an STD, prostitution is one of many. If you're so scared of STD's, don't have sex, it's the only sure way to avoid it. I don't know if I'd give it another shot with another prostitute, after seeing how annoying it is to get served. But I do know this, the benefits and relief from such an experience would certainly outweigh the risk involved for many people. More people than you will ever imagine go to prostitutes, they just don't talk about it like guys do here because of the moral stigma attached to it. You act like men cannot survive without sex. I know several virgin men who are doing just fine without it, and men who are celebate.[/Quote] I can't speak for other men, but me personally, I can survive without sex for a while, but right now I'm like 8 months in and it feels horrible, debilitating even. Some guys take blue ball torture for jesus, others join the monks in Tibet, I admire their discipline and spiritual might, but me, that's just not for me. When's the last time you had sexual relations of any kind? It's always amusing when women tell guys to shut up and take it, yet they get to have sex whenever they want. Even if you aren't having sex, the person whose in the desert but knows where the water is will be more psychologically sound than the person who has no clue and thinks he's going to die.
Ross MwcFan Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Watching too much porn does negatively affect brain chemistry. It also contributes to the problem of male impotence, since it programs your brain to be stimulated by those images instead of the real thing. It also lessens your ability to be adequately stimulated by real intercourse, since masturbation has a heavier touch, and so the penis is not stimulated enough by vaginal stimulation if it is used to the stimulation of masturbation. That's what the studies have shown. Too much porn viewing has a negative effect on your ability to perform, and a negative effect on your brain, and the attraction you feel towards real women. It's never had a negative effect on me, in fact it's been very good for my well being. I'll never end up having sex for real anyway.
jobaba Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Whatever the bottom line is women arent attracted to me and i desire and want sex badly so it's the only way i can get it.. Well agree to disagree but im not gonna go a sexless life becasue some stranger thinks what i do is immoral Maybe if average women weren't so picky and think they deserve a 10 guys like me wouldn't need to get our sexual needs from escorts:rolleyes: I love sex and escorts are the only way for me to get it nobody is gonna tell me i cant have sex It's never had a negative effect on me, in fact it's been very good for my well being. I'll never end up having sex for real anyway. C'mon dudes, If I can get laid ANYBODY can get laid. Get out there and play the numbers and get your rejections...
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