KathyM Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 What? Prostitutes aren't free! I'm not referring to monetary value, dear boy. lol
KathyM Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 You'd expect the guy to remain a virgin for the rest of his life then? Have some sympathy and understanding please. I also wouldn't say it means he doesn't value women or himself either. When I wanted to see an escort, I still valued women. As for whether I valued myself or not though, I have no idea. You don't know what the future holds for you, Ross. You may end up meeting a woman in the future, maybe even the near future, and be able to establish a relationship with her. Would you feel good about lieing to your future gf about your past? Would you feel good about yourself when you prepare to ML to someone you care about, when you have memories of paying for it with some skank? I am sympathyzing, and I do understand your desires for a relationship and a gf, I just don't sympathize with the way you are dealing with this desire, because it is destructive to you, to your future relationships, and to the prostitute as well. If you valued women, you would not be using them. You would not be contributing to their destructive lifestyle. If you valued yourself, you would not lower yourself to do that.
Red Arremer Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 You don't know what the future holds for you, Ross. You may end up meeting a woman in the future, maybe even the near future, and be able to establish a relationship with her. Would you feel good about lieing to your future gf about your past? Would you feel good about yourself when you prepare to ML to someone you care about, when you have memories of paying for it with some skank? I am sympathyzing, and I do understand your desires for a relationship and a gf, I just don't sympathize with the way you are dealing with this desire, because it is destructive to you, to your future relationships, and to the prostitute as well. If you valued women, you would not be using them. You would not be contributing to their destructive lifestyle. If you valued yourself, you would not lower yourself to do that. I don't see this as any different from anything else someone could do in their past, honestly. If a guy used to abuse drugs but he's clean now and won't ever use again, I could see how that may look badly on his character but it's not affecting anything about him in the present.
Feelsgoodman Posted December 29, 2011 Posted December 29, 2011 You don't know what the future holds for you, Ross. You may end up meeting a woman in the future, maybe even the near future, and be able to establish a relationship with her. Would you feel good about lieing to your future gf about your past? Would you feel good about yourself when you prepare to ML to someone you care about, when you have memories of paying for it with some skank? I am sympathyzing, and I do understand your desires for a relationship and a gf, I just don't sympathize with the way you are dealing with this desire, because it is destructive to you, to your future relationships, and to the prostitute as well. If you valued women, you would not be using them. You would not be contributing to their destructive lifestyle. If you valued yourself, you would not lower yourself to do that. Meh...typical female shaming tactics. Women lie about their past all the time. Do you think a woman is going to tell you the truth about her sexual escapades? Like that one time in her freshman year in college when she got piss drunk and gave head to a bunch of frat boys? Is she going to honestly tell you what transpired when she went to Cancun with her girlfriends for Spring Break? Is she going to tell you about all the one night stands she had over the years? The vast majority of women have skeletons in their closet when it comes to questionable sex-related behaviour, so please cut the this self-righteous crap.
KathyM Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I don't see this as any different from anything else someone could do in their past, honestly. If a guy used to abuse drugs but he's clean now and won't ever use again, I could see how that may look badly on his character but it's not affecting anything about him in the present. Our actions are what defines us. Not what we think we are, not what we hope to do or be, not who we want to be. The actions we take do not go away. They stay with us in our memory, and remain a part of us in some form. They shape us, our self esteem, our essence. Bad choices from the past end up as regrets. Something we wish we could change, but are not able to. We can choose to make better choices in the future, but the memories of bad choices from the past will always be with us. That is why a person shouldn't engage in things that they will later regret. When a man does eventually meet that woman he develops feelings for, he's not going to feel good about having to lie to her about his past. Giving of himself to some ho that he pays for cheapens the experience for when he actually gives it to someone he cares about. It takes away from and dilutes the experience of making love to someone you care about.
Wolf18 Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Unless you're willing to date or sleep with these male virgins, you have no right to hold a moral high ground or judge them. Imagine if we judged every bit of the typical girl's sexual past, it's probably not as far from a prostitutes as some make it out to be.
KathyM Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Meh...typical female shaming tactics. Women lie about their past all the time. Do you think a woman is going to tell you the truth about her sexual escapades? Like that one time in her freshman year in college when she got piss drunk and gave head to a bunch of frat boys? Is she going to honestly tell you what transpired when she went to Cancun with her girlfriends for Spring Break? Is she going to tell you about all the one night stands she had over the years? The vast majority of women have skeletons in their closet when it comes to questionable sex-related behaviour, so please cut the this self-righteous crap. Hmmph. Fine. You want to think of yourself as nothing better than a dog, who am I to try to encourage you to aspire to something better? And if women allow themselves to be treated like just a piece of meat, then I guess it shouldn't bother me. I'm just wishing people wouldn't devalue something which is meant to be something beautiful.
Feelsgoodman Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Hmmph. Fine. You want to think of yourself as nothing better than a dog, who am I to try to encourage you to aspire to something better? And if women allow themselves to be treated like just a piece of meat, then I guess it shouldn't bother me. I'm just wishing people wouldn't devalue something which is meant to be something beautiful. Please Is it possible to carry on a conversation without unnecessary moralizing? Devalue something beautiful? What's so beautiful about getting piss drunk, smoking weed, then going to a nightclub to grind with a bunch of random dudes and having a drunken one night stand with one of them (or if that fails, having sex with your booty call)? This is what most young women do nowadays. I don't see how that's any better than some guy sleeping with a prostitute.
KathyM Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Please Is it possible to carry on a conversation without unnecessary moralizing? Devalue something beautiful? What's so beautiful about getting piss drunk, smoking weed, then going to a nightclub to grind with a bunch of random dudes and having a drunken one night stand with one of them (or if that fails, having sex with your booty call)? This is what most young women do nowadays. I don't see how that's any better than some guy sleeping with a prostitute. Neither is beautiful. Both are what devalue what sex is meant to be. Sex is meant to be an act of love. If you give it away or sell it or buy it with any random creep that you come across, then you are devaluing it, and making it worth very little.
Author ThaWholigan Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 Neither is beautiful. Both are what devalue what sex is meant to be. Sex is meant to be an act of love. If you give it away or sell it or buy it with any random creep that you come across, then you are devaluing it, and making it worth very little. KathyM, Are you a Christian by any chance?? My mother used to be, I went to church for a while and this was something that was emphasized a lot when I was younger. It is not my faith, and I don't quite place the same value upon sex that a Christian would. However, I do respect people who do, as it is their choice to value their sexuality however they choose. I'm very mixed about promiscuity personally. I believe in all things in moderation.
Feelsgoodman Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Neither is beautiful. Both are what devalue what sex is meant to be. Sex is meant to be an act of love. If you give it away or sell it or buy it with any random creep that you come across, then you are devaluing it, and making it worth very little. Actually, sex is meant to be an act of procreation ("love" is a human social construct). This means that every time you take the pill or your BF slips on a condom, you are devaluing what sex is meant to be.
Ninjainpajamas Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 I would say do it. As a man you've got to learn, and the right prostitute will probably be very understanding and not afraid to show you what to do or at least how to do it. There is an expectation placed on men to be good in bed, and the longer you go without experience the higher the chance you're going to be awful and since men generally lead the way If you don't know what the hell you are doing then you're be looked down upon and judged, so I'd say do it and not care what other people think of you...most men would pay if there wasn't a stigma towards it, because at the end of the day sometimes they just need some booty. I think the moral, conservative crowd will tell you to wait until that "special" person, but I say as a man it doesn't work that way...you need experience, let women deal with that "special" first guy, it's not that big of a deal for men imo.
kaylan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Personally I dont see how paying for a womens attention puts a guy in a better place. He will still have no idea how to talk to or bed women. Its much more rewarding and more of a learning experience to get off ones ass and actually go out and speak to the ladies. I dont agree with most of the PUA communities stuff. But some of you should check out some things by David Deangelo is you can find them online for free. If anything itll help your self confidence and get the ball rolling. Get out of your shell my virgin acquaintances.
Red Arremer Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Personally I dont see how paying for a womens attention puts a guy in a better place. He will still have no idea how to talk to or bed women. Its much more rewarding and more of a learning experience to get off ones ass and actually go out and speak to the ladies. I dont agree with most of the PUA communities stuff. But some of you should check out some things by David Deangelo is you can find them online for free. If anything itll help your self confidence and get the ball rolling. Get out of your shell my virgin acquaintances. David Deangelo's "inner game" stuff is really good, it's a little pop psych-ey at times but out of the entire PUA community I'd say he's the only one that really gives out genuinely good advice.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) You don't know what the future holds for you, Ross. You may end up meeting a woman in the future, maybe even the near future, and be able to establish a relationship with her. Would you feel good about lieing to your future gf about your past? Would you feel good about yourself when you prepare to ML to someone you care about, when you have memories of paying for it with some skank? I am sympathyzing, and I do understand your desires for a relationship and a gf, I just don't sympathize with the way you are dealing with this desire, because it is destructive to you, to your future relationships, and to the prostitute as well. If you valued women, you would not be using them. You would not be contributing to their destructive lifestyle. If you valued yourself, you would not lower yourself to do that. Well, like I said, when I wanted to see an escort (which I don't anymore), I did value women. There's no reason for me to lie about that. Why would I have to lie to a future girlfriend (future gf? yeah right)? It's very unlikely that she would ask, have you slept with a hooker? Even if she did ask me, I would tell her and explain the situation. If she is understanding and had feelings for me, then I'm sure it would be very unlikely that she would end things. If she did, then that says I would be better off without her anyway. What does ML mean? Edited December 30, 2011 by Ross MwcFan
Ross MwcFan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Our actions are what defines us. Not what we think we are, not what we hope to do or be, not who we want to be. The actions we take do not go away. They stay with us in our memory, and remain a part of us in some form. They shape us, our self esteem, our essence. Bad choices from the past end up as regrets. Something we wish we could change, but are not able to. We can choose to make better choices in the future, but the memories of bad choices from the past will always be with us. That is why a person shouldn't engage in things that they will later regret. When a man does eventually meet that woman he develops feelings for, he's not going to feel good about having to lie to her about his past. Giving of himself to some ho that he pays for cheapens the experience for when he actually gives it to someone he cares about. It takes away from and dilutes the experience of making love to someone you care about. Why would it cheapen anything? And if I had sex with a ho, I'd never regret it, because at least I would've experienced sex with a woman and not be a virgin anymore. Making it to the age of 40 and still being a virgin is something I'd regret a LOT more.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Hmmph. Fine. You want to think of yourself as nothing better than a dog, who am I to try to encourage you to aspire to something better? And if women allow themselves to be treated like just a piece of meat, then I guess it shouldn't bother me. I'm just wishing people wouldn't devalue something which is meant to be something beautiful. Who says we don't think of ourselves as nothing better than a dog? Just because you see it that way doesn't mean we do. It's time to get off your high horse and stop pushing your opinions across as though they're fact.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Neither is beautiful. Both are what devalue what sex is meant to be. Sex is meant to be an act of love. If you give it away or sell it or buy it with any random creep that you come across, then you are devaluing it, and making it worth very little. Sex can be just about fun too, not love. Stop being so uptight, it's not a good image.
KathyM Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Well, like I said, when I wanted to see an escort (which I don't anymore), I did value women. There's no reason for me to lie about that. Why would I have to lie to a future girlfriend (future gf? yeah right)? It's very unlikely that she would ask, have you slept with a hooker? Even if she did ask me, I would tell her and explain the situation. If she is understanding and had feelings for me, then I'm sure it would be very unlikely that she would end things. If she did, then that says I would be better off without her anyway. What does ML mean? ML means make love. And it's very likely that a woman who would be dating you for a while and is considering making love to you would ask about your sexual history, since she'd want to assess the risk for STDs and also to find out what kind of guy you are. If you told her you had sex with a hooker, most women would be repulsed and be concerned that you were infected with something that you may not even know about, and they would also have serious reservations about your character. Most women would not be understanding about that, because it demonstrates low character. I think it would be highly likely a woman would end things with a guy if she found out he had been to a hooker/hookers.
Author ThaWholigan Posted December 30, 2011 Author Posted December 30, 2011 ML means make love. And it's very likely that a woman who would be dating you for a while and is considering making love to you would ask about your sexual history, since she'd want to assess the risk for STDs and also to find out what kind of guy you are. If you told her you had sex with a hooker, most women would be repulsed and be concerned that you were infected with something that you may not even know about, and they would also have serious reservations about your character. Most women would not be understanding about that, because it demonstrates low character. I think it would be highly likely a woman would end things with a guy if she found out he had been to a hooker/hookers. It's also highly likely that a woman would end things if she found out he was a virgin too. Damned if you do.....
Ross MwcFan Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 ML means make love. And it's very likely that a woman who would be dating you for a while and is considering making love to you would ask about your sexual history, since she'd want to assess the risk for STDs and also to find out what kind of guy you are. If you told her you had sex with a hooker, most women would be repulsed and be concerned that you were infected with something that you may not even know about, and they would also have serious reservations about your character. Most women would not be understanding about that, because it demonstrates low character. I think it would be highly likely a woman would end things with a guy if she found out he had been to a hooker/hookers. I'm not sure about that, especially if I explained my situation to her, as to why I went with a hooker. ****ing sounds a lot better than making love anyway. Making love has always come across as lame and boring to me.
KathyM Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Why would it cheapen anything? And if I had sex with a ho, I'd never regret it, because at least I would've experienced sex with a woman and not be a virgin anymore. Making it to the age of 40 and still being a virgin is something I'd regret a LOT more. I guess if a man considers sex to be nothing more than a physical act of sticking it in some woman, and it has no more value or meaning to him than that, then you would see no difference between sticking it in some paid ho or sticking it in some woman you are in a relationship with. Your future gf or wife would want it to mean something to you, and would want you to have some boundaries and some standard of behavior. It would be a red flag for a lot of women if they knew you had been to a prostitute.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 I guess if a man considers sex to be nothing more than a physical act of sticking it in some woman, and it has no more value or meaning to him than that, then you would see no difference between sticking it in some paid ho or sticking it in some woman you are in a relationship with. Your future gf or wife would want it to mean something to you, and would want you to have some boundaries and some standard of behavior. It would be a red flag for a lot of women if they knew you had been to a prostitute. Oh of course, ****ing a woman who actually wanted me to **** her, would have a lot more meaning than ****ing a ho.
KathyM Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Who says we don't think of ourselves as nothing better than a dog? Just because you see it that way doesn't mean we do. It's time to get off your high horse and stop pushing your opinions across as though they're fact. I'm giving my opinion, and I know it's an opinion. But my motives are good. I'm trying to encourage you to value yourself, and not resort to things that you will later regret, or that your future gf or wife will regret. And I'm encouraging you to not do something that contributes to a woman's destructive lifestyle. That's all. I have a degree in legal advocacy for abused women and children. It's in my nature to speak out against this kind of destructive stuff.
KathyM Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Sex can be just about fun too, not love. Stop being so uptight, it's not a good image. Sex with a hooker is not about fun, it's only about money. It's a business transaction, devoid of feelings. Most likely pays for her crack habit.
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