irc333 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 ..there are some women that do not appreciate confidence. You'll hear it as pretty much the #1 universal attribute a man is required to above ALL other attributes to attract a woman, but, believe it or not there are a certain flavor of women that simply do not. Not sure if anyone can concur through life experiences. But typically, these are the kind of women that just point their nose up at, what they consider to be the kind of man that should not be approaching them. The idea of confidence doesn't even cross their mind, when perhaps a man not of their physical paramaters approach them. They're thinking, "That bald, short guy thinks he's got a chance with ME? Get the hell away from me" (well probably what she's thinking, but she is cringing) Anyone concur, that there are some women like this?
lululucy Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 That doesn't mean those women don't appreciate confidence when it is coming from someone they deem attractive enough. Confidence will get a guy a lot farther than non-confidence but you still have to know your limits when approaching a woman who is much much hotter than you. Or a deluded plain girl who is looking for a supermodel guy.
PJKino Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Confidence is a vague fluff cliche term in the dating world used when nobody has an answer to how someone can attract women..it means very litle..nobody is always confident and most sane people arent always unconfident,, If a women isnt physically attracted to you "confidence" wont magically make her attracted,its not this magic potion people want you to believe..
Author irc333 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 That doesn't mean those women don't appreciate confidence when it is coming from someone they deem attractive enough. Confidence will get a guy a lot farther than non-confidence but you still have to know your limits when approaching a woman who is much much hotter than you. Or a deluded plain girl who is looking for a supermodel guy. Completely incorrect. With confidence there is NO limits. Making that statement shows a lack of confidence. You can always try. A man saying, "I shouldn't approach her, she's too hot", a man who has this attitude, is lacking confidence.
Author irc333 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 Confidence is a vague fluff cliche term in the dating world used when nobody has an answer to how someone can attract women..it means very litle..nobody is always confident and most sane people arent always unconfident,, If a women isnt physically attracted to you "confidence" wont magically make her attracted,its not this magic potion people want you to believe.. You know what, I think you might be on to something there too, the word is SO overused as some kind of generic term when a woman can't figure out on the spot what the answer is, or perhaps doesn't want to make a long winded explanation. Just use the vanilla term "Confidence" and that pretty much covers it.
PJKino Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Completely incorrect. With confidence there is NO limits. Making that statement shows a lack of confidence. You can always try. A man saying, "I shouldn't approach her, she's too hot", a man who has this attitude, is lacking confidence. A man can have all the confidence in the world if a women isnt attracted to him it wont matter.. Im not saying a man should go in with the mindset a women is too good for him and not approach but its not a magic potion that will make women drop their panties..
lululucy Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 A man can have all the confidence in the world if a women isnt attracted to him it wont matter.. Im not saying a man should go in with the mindset a women is too good for him and not approach but its not a magic potion that will make women drop their panties.. Exactly! Those are the women in the OP who "don't respond to confidence" -- no, they don't respond to the person BEING confident. And if the person was instead hemming and hawing about "So, uh, er, would you like a-uh drink?" then they will get even less of a response.
PJKino Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Exactly! Those are the women in the OP who "don't respond to confidence" -- no, they don't respond to the person BEING confident. And if the person was instead hemming and hawing about "So, uh, er, would you like a-uh drink?" then they will get even less of a response. Yep..I think some Men believed what they were told that women are emotional creatures it's not how you look but what you say it's all about confidence blah blah blah but the truth is looks are as important to women as much if not more then it is to men.. If you dont pass the looks test you have little shot..
kaylan Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 A man can have all the confidence in the world if a women isnt attracted to him it wont matter.. Im not saying a man should go in with the mindset a women is too good for him and not approach but its not a magic potion that will make women drop their panties.. This is so true, but its funny how you have guys(especially in the PUA community) trying to prove differently.
Jessica45 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Confidence can go a long way in improving a man's attractiveness. But it's not a magic pill. It's not going to turn some alcoholic loser into prince charming. Thinking that confidence will overcome all is unrealistic. And a short fat bald guy trying to get a mega model isn't confidence. It's arrogance and a huge turn off. I think that last is something men need to work on. Women like confidence - not arrogance.
lululucy Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Yep..I think some Men believed what they were told that women are emotional creatures it's not how you look but what you say it's all about confidence blah blah blah but the truth is looks are as important to women as much if not more then it is to men.. If you dont pass the looks test you have little shot.. But in the same vein, if I am attracted to a guy and he shows a complete lack of confidence, my attraction dissipates pretty damn fast. It is not the be-all, end-all of dating tricks but it can enhance or diminish what chance you already had accordingly.
PJKino Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Confidence can go a long way in improving a man's attractiveness. But it's not a magic pill. It's not going to turn some alcoholic loser into prince charming. Thinking that confidence will overcome all is unrealistic. . It's arrogance and a huge turn off. I think that last is something men need to work on. Women like confidence - not arrogance. I think its a fine line..To a women its confidence if hes good looking if hes ugly its arrogance:laugh:
Feelsgoodman Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 ..there are some women that do not appreciate confidence. You'll hear it as pretty much the #1 universal attribute a man is required to above ALL other attributes to attract a woman, but, believe it or not there are a certain flavor of women that simply do not. Not sure if anyone can concur through life experiences. But typically, these are the kind of women that just point their nose up at, what they consider to be the kind of man that should not be approaching them. The idea of confidence doesn't even cross their mind, when perhaps a man not of their physical paramaters approach them. They're thinking, "That bald, short guy thinks he's got a chance with ME? Get the hell away from me" (well probably what she's thinking, but she is cringing) Anyone concur, that there are some women like this? It basically works like this: if an attractive man approaches a woman, she thinks of him as confident; if an unattractive man approaches the same woman, she thinks of him as a creep. 1
curlygirl40 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 A man can have all the confidence in the world if a women isnt attracted to him it wont matter.. Im not saying a man should go in with the mindset a women is too good for him and not approach but its not a magic potion that will make women drop their panties.. Exactly. I put confidence in the tops as far as what I'm looking for, because it makes me MORE attracted to someone, but it's not the one thing that I will always notice first. Also there's a fine line between confident and cocky I believe.
Cypress25 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 It's not that women don't appreciate confidence, it's just that confidence is not the only criteria they have. Women aren't going to date every confident guy they meet. He's got to have the other qualities she's looking for too. Confidence is great, but it's not the only thing that matters.
Author irc333 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 It basically works like this: if an attractive man approaches a woman, she thinks of him as confident; if an unattractive man approaches the same woman, she thinks of him as a creep. Right, but at least he is a CONFIDENT creep....and that, my friends is the part that matters the most. Kidding aside though, ever seen an attractive woman with a man that most people think "What the hell is he doing with that guy?!?!" and when asked, she just says, "He's confident, funny, sexy, makes me laugh....he knows what he wants, etc" Usually, the answer to that the confidence that got his foot in the door.
Cypress25 Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 ever seen an attractive woman with a man that most people think "What the hell is he doing with that guy?!?!" and when asked, she just says, "He's confident, funny, sexy, makes me laugh....he knows what he wants, etc" Usually, the answer to that the confidence that got his foot in the door. Funny how you ignored all the other things she liked about him: funny, sexy, makes her laugh, knows what he wants, etc. If it was just confidence, without all those other things, it probably wouldn't have been enough. Clearly, the other aspects of his personality matter a great deal. Especially a sense of humor, that one is major. Women would not be interested in a confident guy with no sense of humor.
Dust Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 When I show women my confidence it always gets them wet! Confidence lets you do what you really want even if your scared or its hard.
Author irc333 Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 Funny how you ignored all the other things she liked about him: funny, sexy, makes her laugh, knows what he wants, etc. If it was just confidence, without all those other things, it probably wouldn't have been enough. Clearly, the other aspects of his personality matter a great deal. Especially a sense of humor, that one is major. Women would not be interested in a confident guy with no sense of humor. Well, yeah, that's just common sense, I'm just getting tired of hearing the word....it's seriously overused. I think confidence comes in a close tie with making her laugh though.
TheFinalWord Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Maybe it's b/c I'm new to this forum and am still trying to learn the dynamics... It seems like when women give their insight as to what confidence is, so many are quick to tell them "that's not what you really think" lol I would say that if you have a negative view of women it is going to come out in your real life too and that is going to affect your confidence. So if you want to have more confidence, then change your outlook. Who doesn't like confidence? ha everyone does. I want a girl that is confident. If she's not confident she'll be emotionally draining b/c I will have to prop her up all the time. Part of being confident is having a positive outlook on life. It shows that you are fun and believe you will succeed. What sane woman would want to be with someone negative? They'd be better off being alone. I also think traits are on a spectrum for women. I know plenty of women who are 10s that are with average looking guys. One girl I know is super hot, blonde, blue eyes and just married a guy with a average face and about 60lbs overweight. I just don't think these generalizations are helpful. Is it mainly just venting? I'm not trying to minimize anyone, but if you are asking for advice or trying to get some conclusion, and then get an answer, why not accept it? I would say one trait I admire about the women on this board is patience! lol I wouldn't deal with so many men telling me that what I say is a subconscious lie!
Feelsgoodman Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Kidding aside though, ever seen an attractive woman with a man that most people think "What the hell is he doing with that guy?!?!" I don't see such pairs very often and when I do, the woman usually looks like an escort
Mrlonelyone Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Every man I have ever dated was confident enough to make the first moves. They were also attractive enough to make me want to say yes. A lack of confidence in something or himself after that point is just normal human behavior. Any woman who tries to act like looks don't matter to them is only trying to sound socially acceptable. Women are supposed to be deeper. They really aren't. Society says that good girls are.
Oxy Moronovich Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 ..there are some women that do not appreciate confidence. You'll hear it as pretty much the #1 universal attribute a man is required to above ALL other attributes to attract a woman, but, believe it or not there are a certain flavor of women that simply do not. Not sure if anyone can concur through life experiences. But typically, these are the kind of women that just point their nose up at, what they consider to be the kind of man that should not be approaching them. The idea of confidence doesn't even cross their mind, when perhaps a man not of their physical paramaters approach them. They're thinking, "That bald, short guy thinks he's got a chance with ME? Get the hell away from me" (well probably what she's thinking, but she is cringing) Anyone concur, that there are some women like this? Meet Gabriele D'Annunzio, my friend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriele_d'Annunzio He is considered one of the greatest womanizers Italy has ever produced. He was born in a middle class family. He never got a degree in anything. He became a poet at a young age. He seduced many, many women and was never faithful to any of them. He seduced baronesses, countesses, duchesses, and other noblewomen. He was always heavily in debt and preyed on women with large fortunes. He was a spendthrift. Most of the women lost their fortunes and reputations when he coldly dumped them. Sometimes he didn't even officially dump them; many times he merely moved to an entirely new city and started a new life with a new woman. He was also instrumental in getting Italy into WW1. He is considered an inspiration to fascism. He was also created a king. He was a poet and novelist but many of his works were recognized to be plagiarisms. Despite all that, he is considered the greatest conman Italy has ever spawned. Oh yes, he was also short, just an inch or two above 5 feet; lost his hair around age 25; and he rarely cracked jokes or smiled because he had extremely crooked teeth (this is interesting since most women say they want a man with a sense of humor). All in all, if he can seduce women, many other men can too.
Necromancer Posted December 25, 2011 Posted December 25, 2011 Yep..I think some Men believed what they were told that women are emotional creatures it's not how you look but what you say it's all about confidence blah blah blah but the truth is looks are as important to women as much if not more then it is to men.. If you dont pass the looks test you have little shot.. Totally true!,hands down. If you don´t pass the look test then it´s more like zero chance
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