White Women = Status?

[Feelsgoodman]

He means that they stay by our side through thick and thin and have pride in who were are together as black people.

 

Its a pride and unity thing.

Black men, on the other hand, seem to be sorely lacking in this "pride and unity thing" 99 times out of 100, a black man would pick a white woman if he had the choice...

[kaylan]

99 times out of 100? Doubtful.

 

Trust me I know plenty of brothers who will ONLY settle down with a black woman because he feels shes the only type of woman who can truly understand him.

 

Thats like me saying white women would pick a black guy most of the time because some of them tend to like me.

 

Then again, women of all races tend to like me.

[Shaun-Dro]

Dude, Im from NY too. You are meeting the wrong sisters. Women from a lower social class in general possess those annoyances which you complain about. Its just that due to our nations history, you tend to see more minorities in the lower classes.

 

I grew up in NYC but now live in the burbs. Its eye opening to see white, black, and latinos all mixed together in the different lil hood areas that are in the suburbs.

 

As I said before. Give me a sexy chick of any race and Im down. All she needs to do is have a good head on her shoulders as well.

 

And you aint joking bout Atlanta. Sisters look good down there. But look up stats. Black folks tend to do better economically in Atlanta. Plus we make up more of the population of that city than NY. Hell we make up more of the south in general.

 

You make good points. The crap I dealt with here just got me jaded from top to bottom. I never had this craziness with white women so I feel a bit different toward them.

 

In Atlanta, yes, the black women there are gorgeous, like models, most of them anyway, with better attitudes. I just can't say the same for ones in NYC. And the ones that are like that already have a boyfriend or husband clinging to them like a bee to honey.

[snowflakes88]

What up sister...I just had to say your user name made me lol pretty hard since youre black but called snowflake:laugh:

 

Irony ftw =)

 

I only registered to respond to a particular thread... picked a totally random name b/c I never anticipated posting again. I figured somebody would point that out.

[snowflakes88]

It's true about us black men sorting the white women out greatly but very untrue about her being the devil of any kind. Black women are often quite bitter when seeing a black man dating a white woman, but yet she doesn't hesitate to jump in the sack with an eligible white male bachelor, while in the same token, giving a black guy difficulty if he expresses interest in her so go figure.

 

I don't think nearly as many black women care about seeing black men with white women as you think. Quite frankly, I sometimes think black men who date interracially want black women to be upset about it. I can't even count how many times I see an interracial couple, smile or say hello, and see the black man's face fall with disappointment because I didn't scowl or suck my teeth. At the end of the day, you love who you love - can't be mad at that.

 

I think most black women only have an issue with it when men justify their choice by using negative stereotypes about us like you've done in this thread (e.g., "I only date white women because black women are [insert negative stereotype here]"). Nobody likes to be incorrectly stereotyped... people do it to black men all the time, so I know you must know how unfair it can feel.

[SincereOnlineGuy]

I hope men and women alike will chime in on this.

 

I have a male friend who I frequently speak with about dating issues/my love life. Often, in various contexts, he makes reference to how white women are somehow sought after more than any other. Or how they tend to have the upper hand in relationships, especially when they're with non-white men.

 

Do you men (especially non-white ones) generally see white women as the best? Meaning...you'd more likely hang onto a 5'6" white woman who's reasonably pretty but not as pretty as, say, a shorter woman who's ethnic, on the grounds that you just feel prouder to have landed a white woman?

 

I'm not sure why I think people will answer this question honestly. Not many people would 'fess up to preferring white women for, among other reasons, the status aspect. However, maybe some will shed light on it.

 

I know the above might be even offensive to some people (I can see how it would be), but my male friend is always explaining situations with the reference to white women being the greatest. Most recently, we discussed an ethnic guy we know who is sort of stuck on this white woman and won't leave no matter how much imbalance there is. My male friend says, "Well, that's a common phenomenon, especially when there's a white woman involved..."

 

Is he right to say such things? He sort of suggests, basically, that if there's any choice to be made, the white woman will usually win over other women.

 

 

 

Wow, what a great stimulus for banter here.

 

I've scanned most of the responses and can find few if any I'm inclined to want to drum into the ground.

 

I tried to 'study myself' and my own interests/preferences in response, but don't know that I can answer your questions clearly or completely.

 

Perspective has a whole lot to do with the whole equation, and I'm most inclined to respond that these sorts of (everybody has their own preferences) revelations should inspire just about everybody to stay in his/her own 'position' on the field of random match-making.

 

By remaining in a spot on the field that you know well, you are best equipped to respond to your own benefit when the ball does come your way.

 

If you tend to play 1st base well off the bag, and on the right field grass, and you go dashing hard for a slow dribbler bunted down the 3rd base line (because you believe women near to that position have it easier, or that they're somehow 'better' than you), you're just going to be gone or not looking when cupid's dart heads toward shallow right field.

[Dust]

I'm white and for the most part I like white women best. I've seen plenty of sexy ethnic women who are just as good as the best white girl. The thing is for the most part all the hot women I come into contact with are white and its rarer for me to see some one of other backgrounds I find hot.

 

I do think white women are the most wanted what ever that means.

[wander1991]

Well I've seen pictures of Beyonce that show her skin color isn't that fair - its all that makeup which doesn't look real.

 

The girl I've asked out in New York city is about 6 out of 10 on the darkness scale.

 

But drop by to Times Square in the area I mentioned there are really dark, dark beauties out there. A beautiful dark - its really hot.

 

The entertainment industry doesn't show many dark women but that's their fault.

 

But there are many Rihanna's and Beyonce's with dark skin out there. Just look.

 

 

I may have to come to new york in the future then. I don't really care about skin colour as much as I used to since here in toronto it is pretty diverse.

[93TheHitStick]

I'm black. I don't see how a white woman is a status symbol. I would rather be with the girl i liked more. No matter what there race was. Or what they looked like. And i had two identical woman and one was black and one was white i would choose the black one. Just because i feel like we would have more in common. And our relationship would have less strain on it.

 

 

Only people who think of white woman as a status symbol are ethnic men who hate themselves.

[jobaba]

I am an Asian man as most people know already, so I can definitely give the perspective from that angle...

 

When they were very much younger (like teens or early, early 20s) some of my Asian friends may have preferred white women, but that went away quick. Here is why...

 

People are shallow. They are going to take the best of what they can get. So, a pretty white woman will really only go for an Asian man if he is REALLY good looking. Or has a ton of social status or money. And despite the ramblings on this board of how Asian men are basically toads, there are some REALLY good looking Asian dudes who can pull hot white a@@.

 

An average to below average looking white woman on the other hand would date an good looking Asian guy or an Asian guy with game. However, that same Asian guy can get a good looking Asian girl, so why would he settle for an average white woman?

 

A quick perusal of my Asian male Facebook friends shows that almost all married Asian women. And some of these guys have dated white women previously. There's also the idea that an Asian woman has a more similar background to you, but let's face it, a lot of these guys were born here.

 

As for my own take, I don't care if a woman is green or purple, if she's cool, I'll date her. To me, it's not about white girls. Latina, black, and surprisingly Indian girls are just as tough.

 

I go in with the mentality that once you connect mentally with someone, race and all that stuff won't matter. HA! What a f@cking joke that is.

 

God. People are so shallow. I find it truly sad that some of the more desperate men here won't even consider dating outside their own race, yet complain constantly about not getting a fair shake...

Edited December 23, 2011 by jobaba

[WhiteChocolate]

Asian female here!

 

I personally don't care what race a guy is as long as we get along. However, I also know that my parents would throw a fit if I dated a black guy, and my grandmother has hopes for a grandchild of mixed blood...

 

Even though I feel like race shouldn't matter, I also want to please my parents.

[Zed]

White women/men are seen as status symbols because of the premium that other cultures put on Caucasian and European physicality. You just have to look at anime as an example which illustrates how a foreign culture, in this case Japanese, incorporates the white aesthetic into their own physical ideals.

 

In terms ofattraction, anecdotally, I have seen too many instances in which the non-white person was leagues better looking than the White person so White appears to have a distinct advantage--especially if they prefer dating non whites. White women typically, do not have to seek outmen--especially if she is pretty, men of all races will seek them out.

 

Still the bias doesn't happen in a vacuum, there is dating disparity in which Asian women overwhelmingly prefer a White men and both are very receptive to each other. Asian men would probably date white women at the same high percentage as Asian women, but white women are just not as accepting of their advances, since they overwhelmingly prefer their own men. I do not know how many times I see some Asian dude crying over some plain white Jane not giving him the time of day, but they will rebuff a really nice looking minority women--in this specific case she was nice looking but Black.

 

As for black women-sure there is a strong desire to be with same race--however as noted before, white women strongly prefer their own as well. Still, there is hardly a running charge of white guys beating down the door to date Black women as opposed to white women and other races--so it makes sense for them to focus on men that do give them positive attention which usually is black men.The criteria for Black women is set much higher then other women in which, a black women mus thave, this trait or that specific look, to make them more palatable to date. Asian and White women on the other hand --they can be pretty average to boringand they will asked out faster than Black women. Black guys are in a separate category since they are much more receptive to other races and are not nearly as exclusive to Black women as they may have been 20-30 years ago. Their success rate however does not compare to White guys.

[jobaba]

White women/men are seen as status symbols because of the premium that other cultures put on Caucasian and European physicality. You just have to look at anime as an example which illustrates how a foreign culture, in this case Japanese, incorporates the white aesthetic into their own physical ideals.

 

In terms ofattraction, anecdotally, I have seen too many instances in which the non-white person was leagues better looking than the White person so White appears to have a distinct advantage--especially if they prefer dating non whites. White women typically, do not have to seek outmen--especially if she is pretty, men of all races will seek them out.

 

Still the bias doesn't happen in a vacuum, there is dating disparity in which Asian women overwhelmingly prefer a White men and both are very receptive to each other. Asian men would probably date white women at the same high percentage as Asian women, but white women are just not as accepting of their advances, since they overwhelmingly prefer their own men. I do not know how many times I see some Asian dude crying over some plain white Jane not giving him the time of day, but they will rebuff a really nice looking minority women--in this specific case she was nice looking but Black.

 

As for black women-sure there is a strong desire to be with same race--however as noted before, white women strongly prefer their own as well. Still, there is hardly a running charge of white guys beating down the door to date Black women as opposed to white women and other races--so it makes sense for them to focus on men that do give them positive attention which usually is black men.The criteria for Black women is set much higher then other women in which, a black women mus thave, this trait or that specific look, to make them more palatable to date. Asian and White women on the other hand --they can be pretty average to boringand they will asked out faster than Black women. Black guys are in a separate category since they are much more receptive to other races and are not nearly as exclusive to Black women as they may have been 20-30 years ago. Their success rate however does not compare to White guys.

 

Yep. You got it.

 

Asian males and black females are pretty much at the bottom of the totem pole. And ironically enough, those are pretty much the least two to end up coupling.

 

As an Asian male, I actually don't mind so much being on the bottom of the pile in the game.

 

I just wish there were less people who were so concerned with playing the game ...

[Shaun-Dro]

I don't think nearly as many black women care about seeing black men with white women as you think. Quite frankly, I sometimes think black men who date interracially want black women to be upset about it. I can't even count how many times I see an interracial couple, smile or say hello, and see the black man's face fall with disappointment because I didn't scowl or suck my teeth. At the end of the day, you love who you love - can't be mad at that.

 

I think most black women only have an issue with it when men justify their choice by using negative stereotypes about us like you've done in this thread (e.g., "I only date white women because black women are [insert negative stereotype here]"). Nobody likes to be incorrectly stereotyped... people do it to black men all the time, so I know you must know how unfair it can feel.

 

My dating white women or wanting to date them has nothing to do with a black woman acting incorrect. I'm attracted to white women for reasons I am also attracted to "certain" black women, as well as other women from other ethnic backgrounds.

 

I don't exclusively look for white women, no way! I just know how to steer clear of negative-acting black women since it seems NYC is so full of them in many places I've turned. Coming across a positive young sister is rare!

 

You must understand, as a black man, if I express interest in many black women from this city, they react negatively. If I ignore them and look else where, then she responds in wanting to get my attention. I don't get this silliness from other women. Many brothers can vouch for me on this.

[Mrlonelyone]

Three things. Yes allot of men prefer lighter skin. Hearing one guy say to the other "Dayum look at the booty on that woman.... AND SHE LIGHT SKINDED TOO!!" It's stupid because there are plenty of attractive, not out of shape dark black women.

 

I guess the shiniest nickel gets picked up first.

 

I really don't think black men prefer white women all that much. The mathematics of it are just so that a person is more likely to fall for a white man or woman. There are just sooooooo many of them. Unless one makes an effort to stay away from white people that's who they are likely to be with.

 

 

Last but not least BOOTY. Black men care more about big booty than any skin color. Their ideal really, as far as I can tell, is a woman who's very lite but black enough to have a big round booty. Just think of all the rap and hip hop videos if you doubt me on that.

Edited December 23, 2011 by Mrlonelyone
Booty

[tigressA]

I asked my (Indian) BF this question and he said he has noticed among some of his (Indian) friends a preference for white women. He himself has no real preference.

 

As a mixed-race (black/white) woman, I have noticed a preference among most black men I have met for white women/light-skinned black women. Of the two black men I was once attracted to, they both chased white women. When I walk down the street and I see a black couple, the woman is almost always significantly lighter in skin color than the man, or at the very least they are just about equal in coloring.

 

Someone made mention of this earlier, and it is something I have also noticed--of the white man/black woman pairings I see, I hardly ever see the woman looking like a Beyonce or Halle Berry. She'll look more exotic, darker-skinned, more 'African'. Very strikingly attractive pairings, IMO.

 

I used to date white men because they were pretty much the only ones around but a couple years ago started meeting Indian and Middle Eastern men and have dated within those groups exclusively. It helps that I am often confused with being Indian. Contrast is fun, sure, but it does feel like 'coming home', in a sense, when you are with someone and you can't tell where their skin ends and yours begins.

[kaylan]

White women/men are seen as status symbols because of the premium that other cultures put on Caucasian and European physicality. You just have to look at anime as an example which illustrates how a foreign culture, in this case Japanese, incorporates the white aesthetic into their own physical ideals.

 

In terms ofattraction, anecdotally, I have seen too many instances in which the non-white person was leagues better looking than the White person so White appears to have a distinct advantage--especially if they prefer dating non whites. White women typically, do not have to seek outmen--especially if she is pretty, men of all races will seek them out.

 

Still the bias doesn't happen in a vacuum, there is dating disparity in which Asian women overwhelmingly prefer a White men and both are very receptive to each other. Asian men would probably date white women at the same high percentage as Asian women, but white women are just not as accepting of their advances, since they overwhelmingly prefer their own men. I do not know how many times I see some Asian dude crying over some plain white Jane not giving him the time of day, but they will rebuff a really nice looking minority women--in this specific case she was nice looking but Black.

 

As for black women-sure there is a strong desire to be with same race--however as noted before, white women strongly prefer their own as well. Still, there is hardly a running charge of white guys beating down the door to date Black women as opposed to white women and other races--so it makes sense for them to focus on men that do give them positive attention which usually is black men.The criteria for Black women is set much higher then other women in which, a black women mus thave, this trait or that specific look, to make them more palatable to date. Asian and White women on the other hand --they can be pretty average to boringand they will asked out faster than Black women. Black guys are in a separate category since they are much more receptive to other races and are not nearly as exclusive to Black women as they may have been 20-30 years ago. Their success rate however does not compare to White guys.

wow...soooooo sick of people assuming this crap about anime...anime characters ARE Japanese...and Japanese people see the vast majority of them as that unless the artists make it super obvious they are another race. Lets not forget that based on just skin color Japanese people are WHITER than many people.

 

Watch this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKTvFhRbBt8

 

Gain knowledge folks. For one anime characters DO NOT have real human features of ANY race. Secondly, because Japan is such a homogeneous nation, how else are they gonna make characters look different? Different eye and hair color...duh

 

See this is what I am talking about with Eurocentrism polluting our minds...it makes people even make big assumptions about an art form like anime that comes from very race and nation proud Japanese people.

[AD1980]

Yep. You got it.

 

Asian males and black females are pretty much at the bottom of the totem pole. And ironically enough, those are pretty much the least two to end up coupling.

 

As an Asian male, I actually don't mind so much being on the bottom of the pile in the game.

 

I just wish there were less people who were so concerned with playing the game ...

 

Being a white male isnt all that great either unless you're in the top 10% all the women go after..

 

Ive been invisble for 31 years..my whiteness hasnt helped..

[taiko]

There is definitely some truth to this. Many minorities still see white people as the "superior race" on a subconscious level. This is especially true of blacks and middle easterners. They may hate white people in general, but they still want white women, german luxury cars, swiss watches, etc.

Perhaps not superior but sticking it to the man by taking his woman for your own pleasure while he looks on with envy.

[counterman]

A lot of my Asian girl friends prefer white guys, because of the Western influence; they find white guys generally more attractive and most have admitted they would be proud to show off their white boyfriend but not so much an Asian guy. Most of my guy friends don't care what race the women their dating are, just as long as they're getting some However, a lot of guys I know prefer white girls.

 

As for myself, I don't really care about status and whatnot, but I have found myself attracted mostly to white women, not blue eyes and blonde hair but rather brunette and pale skin. However, I like tanned girls as well. So, I guess I don't target particular race or anything. Just as long as I'm attracted to the girl, that's all that matters.

[PlumPrincess]

Secondly, because Japan is such a homogeneous nation, how else are they gonna make characters look different? Different eye and hair color...duh

 

See this is what I am talking about with Eurocentrism polluting our minds...it makes people even make big assumptions about an art form like anime that comes from very race and nation proud Japanese people.

I heard a lot of Asian people who didn't grow up in a Western society actually think white people all look the same - pale skin, big nose - unlike Asians. So actually, your opinion is also a biased prejudice.

 

And I would bet that eye surgery where you create this eyelid crease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty) is pretty popular in Japan. Asia is getting brainwashed by white beauty standards. Actually, every ethnic group is getting brainwashed.

[Woggle]

If I were to date an asian woman who hated men of her own culture it would be a huge turn off. That to me is a sign of self hatred. I once dated a black woman who just trashed black men left and right and it complete put me off. She sounded like she could have joined a hate group. A person should not hate their own heritage. Nothing wrong with dating others but have some respect for yourself.

[PlumPrincess]

Some statistics about dating and race:

 

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-people-write-you-back/

[Woggle]

I'm actually seeing more black woman/white man couples but that might just be he part of the country I live in. I forget sometimes that some other parts of the country tend to still be living in the 60s.

[kaylan]

I heard a lot of Asian people who didn't grow up in a Western society actually think white people all look the same - pale skin, big nose - unlike Asians. So actually, your opinion is also a biased prejudice.

 

My opinion is not based on prejudice. As a fan of anime, artists and directors have stated themselves that with the style anime is drawn in, to distinguish between japanese charcters they use different eye and hair color because East Asians typically have dark brown eyes and straight black hair. Thats a freaking biological fact.

 

I said the nation was homogeneous. I did not say they all looked the same. There is a difference with those two statements. In Japan, most people are Japanese, hence the nation is more homogeneous than the US for example. Since we have Americans of various ethnic and cultural background here, which makes us a heterogeneous nation.

 

Also East Asians, have less hair, eye and facial variation than other ethnic groups. Fact.

 

And I would bet that eye surgery where you create this eyelid crease (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_blepharoplasty) is pretty popular in Japan. Asia is getting brainwashed by white beauty standards. Actually, every ethnic group is getting brainwashed.

Actually, not every asian has "single eyelids" so many times asians who get the "double eyelid" surgery, are just trying to look like other asians.

 

This isnt not the case all the time.

 

But your response is another example of people being so quick to pin minorities are "trying to be white" or "wanting to be white" before actually researching this stuff.

Edited December 23, 2011 by kaylan