White Women = Status?

[Jane2011]

I hope men and women alike will chime in on this.

 

I have a male friend who I frequently speak with about dating issues/my love life. Often, in various contexts, he makes reference to how white women are somehow sought after more than any other. Or how they tend to have the upper hand in relationships, especially when they're with non-white men.

 

Do you men (especially non-white ones) generally see white women as the best? Meaning...you'd more likely hang onto a 5'6" white woman who's reasonably pretty but not as pretty as, say, a shorter woman who's ethnic, on the grounds that you just feel prouder to have landed a white woman?

 

I'm not sure why I think people will answer this question honestly. Not many people would 'fess up to preferring white women for, among other reasons, the status aspect. However, maybe some will shed light on it.

 

I know the above might be even offensive to some people (I can see how it would be), but my male friend is always explaining situations with the reference to white women being the greatest. Most recently, we discussed an ethnic guy we know who is sort of stuck on this white woman and won't leave no matter how much imbalance there is. My male friend says, "Well, that's a common phenomenon, especially when there's a white woman involved..."

 

Is he right to say such things? He sort of suggests, basically, that if there's any choice to be made, the white woman will usually win over other women.

[somedude81]

Frankly, I think it's annoying that white girls are so universally desired.

 

It's bad enough that I have to compete with other white guys. but having to compete with basically all men

 

Many other ethnicity have beautiful women, so why are white chicks so "valuable?"

[Shaun-Dro]

I hope men and women alike will chime in on this.

 

I have a male friend who I frequently speak with about dating issues/my love life. Often, in various contexts, he makes reference to how white women are somehow sought after more than any other. Or how they tend to have the upper hand in relationships, especially when they're with non-white men.

 

Do you men (especially non-white ones) generally see white women as the best? Meaning...you'd more likely hang onto a 5'6" white woman who's reasonably pretty but not as pretty as, say, a shorter woman who's ethnic, on the grounds that you just feel prouder to have landed a white woman?

 

I'm not sure why I think people will answer this question honestly. Not many people would 'fess up to preferring white women for, among other reasons, the status aspect. However, maybe some will shed light on it.

 

I know the above might be even offensive to some people (I can see how it would be), but my male friend is always explaining situations with the reference to white women being the greatest. Most recently, we discussed an ethnic guy we know who is sort of stuck on this white woman and won't leave no matter how much imbalance there is. My male friend says, "Well, that's a common phenomenon, especially when there's a white woman involved..."

 

Is he right to say such things? He sort of suggests, basically, that if there's any choice to be made, the white woman will usually win over other women.

 

Honestly, I love a beautiful white woman. She's the epitome of beauty to the fullest and often the most feminine. As a black man, I haven't dated a white woman yet. I've had some interested in me but they weren't on the top of the totem pole in my opinion.

 

I'd definitely treat a lovely white woman with respect because I know she appreciates it more than most other women and most are naturally more laidback about different things and very liberal sexually. This part I know, because I've fooled around with a few white women in my heyday and I've been able to do anything with them in regards to my greatest sexual taste and desires.

[you_can_not_see_me]

well not only are white women usually on average from wealthier backgrounds, there is some lingering colonial mentality footprint in interracial social scene.

 

also since most models and attractive women on the media are white, some men are conditoned to think that white women are more attractive on average.

 

what makes things worse is that in some contexts it might be true that there are more healthy non overweight white women than minorities. In America expectantly being healthy is closely tied to socioeconomic status. poorer americans are usually more overweight cause they have to settle for fast food meals. and since there are more poor minorities you can make a conclusion.

[PlumPrincess]

Frankly, I think it's annoying that white girls are so universally desired.

 

It's bad enough that I have to compete with other white guys. but having to compete with basically all men

 

Many other ethnicity have beautiful women, so why are white chicks so "valuable?"

Well, then go after the ethnic women. Their men are obviously too busy chasing white women. Shouldn't that be your chance?

[Woggle]

I actually prefer Latin or Italian women. I know Italians are white but I am not big into the blonde hair and blue eyes look.

[lululucy]

That's really interesting. I haven't seen that with my social circles but perhaps Canada is different than the states in that regard. I personally find ethnic women way more attractive than white women, but perhaps that's because there are fewer non-whites in the area.

[Casablanca]

I cannot comment too much on this as I am white myself. But I have heard people say that some black women consider white women to be the devil because of how sought after they are by men of their own race; dont know how true it is though

[somedude81]

Well, then go after the ethnic women. Their men are obviously too busy chasing white women. Shouldn't that be your chance?

Why should I have to?

 

I prefer women of my own ethnicity.

[Overthirtymale]

I hope men and women alike will chime in on this.

 

I have a male friend who I frequently speak with about dating issues/my love life. Often, in various contexts, he makes reference to how white women are somehow sought after more than any other. Or how they tend to have the upper hand in relationships, especially when they're with non-white men.

 

Do you men (especially non-white ones) generally see white women as the best? Meaning...you'd more likely hang onto a 5'6" white woman who's reasonably pretty but not as pretty as, say, a shorter woman who's ethnic, on the grounds that you just feel prouder to have landed a white woman?

 

I'm not sure why I think people will answer this question honestly. Not many people would 'fess up to preferring white women for, among other reasons, the status aspect. However, maybe some will shed light on it.

 

I know the above might be even offensive to some people (I can see how it would be), but my male friend is always explaining situations with the reference to white women being the greatest. Most recently, we discussed an ethnic guy we know who is sort of stuck on this white woman and won't leave no matter how much imbalance there is. My male friend says, "Well, that's a common phenomenon, especially when there's a white woman involved..."

 

Is he right to say such things? He sort of suggests, basically, that if there's any choice to be made, the white woman will usually win over other women.

 

Your friend is shallow. Is he black by any chance?

[snowflakes88]

Or how they tend to have the upper hand in relationships, especially when they're with non-white men.

 

Hmm... as a black woman, I often hear the direct opposite. I've heard a significant number of black men claim to prefer white women because they are more passive and submissive, thus allowing the man to have more of the upper hand. Not saying this is true across the board (though I suspect it's true to some extent, for many reasons) - but it's something I've heard frequently.

 

And @ black women allegedly thinking white women are "devils". I personally could not care less about interracial dating. I date black men exclusively and prefer to date black men who either (1) date black women exclusively, or (2) strongly prefer black women. I generally do not find myself attracted to the types of black men who date white women exclusively or prefer them, so it all works out in the wash.

[Jane2011]

Your friend is shallow. Is he black by any chance?

 

My male friend who says this stuff all the time is Hispanic/Colombian, but a very Americanized one; he was born in the U.S. and is just like a white guy who happens to be Hispanic. (I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being "white-washed," as he basically is; I'm an Asian female who is sort of "white-washed" myself).

 

At any rate, sometimes I think my friend just idolizes white women himself and puts them on a pedestal, and he's transferring his own feelings onto what other men must think/feel.

[Jane2011]

I'm an Asian female and here's my stance on white men. I know Asian women are notorious for "loving" white men to the exclusion of all others. As a matter of fact, both of my older sisters are married to white men.

 

Anyway, I've had a lot of boyfriends in my time, and some of have been white, but just as many, if not more, have been Hispanic, or just "other" (than white). Most recently, I dated and really really really liked an Indian guy.

 

I'll admit that the times I've been with a white guy I felt a little bit of "oooh, status, I got me a white guy." But just a little. I would easily choose and like an ethnic guy over a white guy when it all boiled down. I find people attractive, not races.

 

I'm not too cynical; I think this is true of most people. But my male friend who says the stuff I mentioned makes me think men do love white women over other women.

[Ruby Slippers]

Well, I will say this -- the non-Caucasian men I've gone on dates with in the last year or so are crazy good looking. In particular, the Latino men who approach me are FINE-ASS fellas! The first Latino guy who asked me out a year or so ago was so gorgeous I was just totally suspicious of him and could not take him seriously. The most recent one... well, I wouldn't say I took him "seriously", but I had a helluva good time with him. And he loved to go on about my soft light skin and "exotic" blue eyes, which he'd stare into in the morning forever.

 

Another thing is that when we went out together, so many white men would just stare at us, give me these knowing smiles, or shoot daggers at us with their eyes. And this dude ate it up. He said "let them look," and loved that they were jealous.

 

My point is that non-Caucasian guys who are more physically attractive than the kind of guys I usually date approach me. They could easily get non-white hotties. So I'm assuming the fact that I'm white must hold some appeal to them. I don't mind. Their differences hold appeal to me, too.

Edited December 23, 2011 by Ruby Slippers

[kaleidoscope]

This is all very appalling to me. I've dated white women, black women, indian women, european women and all I can say is that skin color has nothing to do with anything.

 

This has EVERYTHING to do with who you connect to.

 

All this talk about color of the skin and ethnicity is sad to me. ("My preference is for my own race", etc.)

 

There is no color and there is no ethnicity, period.

 

We are all human and that's all that matters. We have a mixed president of the United States for God's sake. Cmon people!

 

Ask if someone aligns with your morals. Ask if someone aligns with your goals and understands your needs physically, mentally and emotionally.

 

I am personally open to all women. I don't go after a particular color. The ONLY reason I sometimes feel more of a connection to white women is because I can relate and connect to them more.

 

Seriously, if I was just going by looks...my God...there are really really hot Brazilian women with tanned skin and extremely hot dark dark black women.

 

And Indian women are extremely hot too. I'm an Indian male myself and would love to meet an Indian woman I can connect to but it hasn't happened yet.

 

And white women are hot as well.

 

So I'm wide open to other women for sure.

 

Everybody is hot.

 

The issue here is about how much you are exposed to the hotness of other cultures. If you lived in Brazil, your view of hotness will change.

 

I can back from Europe and my view of hotness changed about American women. I didn't find the way american women walked sexy anymore.

 

Then after living again in America, I said to myself wow American women are damn hot.

 

It can and does change.

 

At the end of the day, what's hot to me is being able to connect to someone at an emotional level and being able to communicate your needs and make sure her needs are met.

 

THAT is hotness.

 

As far as social status, both guys and girls want someone with high social status.

[kaleidoscope]

And yes, your friend may be stuck on a white women but he'll learn in the end that it won't matter if his girl has bad morals.

 

The truth of who he loves will come out eventually.

[PlumPrincess]

Why should I have to?

 

I prefer women of my own ethnicity.

Because you're the one who is constantly complaining that he is so unsuccessful with women. If you think non-white women are beautiful, too, and are being neglected, because their men don't pay attention to them, then go for them. Unless you were just looking for a reason to allow yourself some self-pity.

[kaleidoscope]

I think everyone should date outside and inside their own ethnicity to really understand this.

 

(I'm not talking about sexual relationships with every ethnicity but just date to understand there is hotness all around you)

[Untouchable_Fire]

My male friend who says this stuff all the time is Hispanic/Colombian, but a very Americanized one; he was born in the U.S. and is just like a white guy who happens to be Hispanic. (I'm not saying there's anything wrong with being "white-washed," as he basically is; I'm an Asian female who is sort of "white-washed" myself).

At any rate, sometimes I think my friend just idolizes white women himself and puts them on a pedestal, and he's transferring his own feelings onto what other men must think/feel.

 

Just understand where this guy is coming from. Many Latino and African American men want women with light skin tones because those are status symbols within their respective cultures.

 

I have a good number of male friends that are asian... and white girls are pretty much worthless to them when it comes to long term relationships. Let's face it... most "americanized" women are not good for a traditional style relationship. Personally... most of the ones I see are crappy at relationships period and are so self centered they make awful mothers. From what I've seen Indian and Middle Eastern men have somewhat similar feelings... just added in that European women seem extremely slutty to them.

 

So... basically it just depends on your overall culture. I have some white friends that think white girls are pretty much ugly... and they chase asian or latina girls. Actually... my cousin is a computer programmer and among his friends Asian women are highly preferred to caucasian women because they are perceived as smarter, plus fewer are fat and lazy.

 

Without rambling too much on this topic... I see African American women in general being the only racial group in the U.S. that really suffers in the dating market. But... thats just my opinion.

[kaylan]

Given the fact that White people conquered the world and thus have most of the wealth, while also perpetuating eurocentric ideals with regard to beauty, art, intelligence, religion, and any other thing you can think of...its no surprise that those beliefs wouldnt trickle down onto a lot of people around the world.

 

And its def more pronounced in the present due to mass media and globalization.

 

Such is life.

 

I dont let it bug me anymore.

 

I know Im still hot fire.

[kaleidoscope]

Interesting comments Untouchable_Fire.

 

Because it does depend on where you are coming from.

 

I grew up in an environment where there is love for all cultures and skin tones.

 

I am East Indian and I'm coming back to New York to date an African American girl who is the most mature and sweet woman I've dated for a long time.

 

Come to Times Square in New York city one night and you'll see tons of gorgeous black women near the BB King Blues venue all dolled up.

 

I don't think white girls are ugly at all though. I have lots of love for white women too.

 

There are just too many people in the world to generalize.

 

There are lots of bad apples out there in every culture I know but you can and should pick good ones.

[snowflakes88]

Without rambling too much on this topic... I see African American women in general being the only racial group in the U.S. that really suffers in the dating market. But... thats just my opinion.

 

I think this is pretty accurate. Black women are, by a large margin, the least likely to date outside of their race. Even assuming that all black men dated black women exclusively - we would still outnumber them, necessarily leaving some women "in the cold," so to speak.

[kaleidoscope]

And Cmon.....we're talking Rihanna, Beyonce, etc.....

 

Black girls hot or not? Yes hot.

 

White girls hot? Yes

 

All colors in between hot? Yes, yes, and yes.

[kaleidoscope]

" Black women are, by a large margin, the least likely to date outside of their race."

 

Based on my experience, I highly disagree. On every dating site, they are the most friendliest women out there and always respond back to me. I love em.

[snowflakes88]

And Cmon.....we're talking Rihanna, Beyonce, etc.....

 

Black girls hot or not? Yes hot.

 

White girls hot? Yes

 

All colors in between hot? Yes, yes, and yes.

 

Look at the black women you named. That goes back to Untouchable_Fire's point... many black men prefer the Beyonces and the Rihannas (i.e., fairer skinned, less ethnic features) over darkerskinned black women with more traditionally African-American features. I find it interesting that the vast majority of white men who date black women - in areas where I've lived, at least - gravitate towards the darker, more ethnic-looking black women that a lot of black men would place at the bottom of their lists.