Eternal Sunshine Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 It's equally hard for "worse than average" girls and "worse than average" guys. It's beyond me why guys think otherwise.
Wolf18 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I don't agree, I think below-average looking women can still have sex when they want as long as they're easy. Below-average looking men usually got to pay for it. Most below-average looking women are usually just really fat, if they were of a normal weight they would be average or good looking, while there are a lot of traits that are often times impossible to address that can make a man considered below-average such as income, height, hairline, etc. But this Verzhn broad isn't below average, she's normal, even good looking. And while she might live in the lost dimension of the Bermuda triangle where people walk on their hands and take food through their rectum, anywhere else Verzhn's romantic opportunities will be far greater than a man of equal looks to her.
kaylan Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I dont think these women are worried about sex. They want men who will date them long term. So yes they do have it just as hard finding a good mate. A lot of times guys will sleep with below average women or women they dont find super attractive....but then they dont try and pursue them further than that. So Id say its still equal. Sex is easy for anyone who drops their standards. Most women dont want to do that. Problem is many guys have no issue doing this.
kaylan Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 @verhrzn Youre always so down on yourself...and I wouldnt wanna hijack this thread...but do you have any clear pics of yourself to share. I think you look fine in your avatar...but its small and not much to go on. With as much as you get down on your dating situation Im just curious to see more of ya.
oaks Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I have been unsuccessful in the dating scene for 7 years. I met many guys from dating sites, social events and through friends. About 90% of guys who once see me at the sites or events treated me as invisible and ignorede after seeing me. They choosed to chat with other gals. I took the initiative to know a few guys but I always get rejected. Ppl commented that I have a gd perrrrsonality with ok looks yet guys dont and refuse to knoe me better in dating scenes. Im very sad because I felt that becos of my looks, I cant have decent relationships What are your criteria for success? It sounds like you've been on dating sites and actually went on some dates, which is more than some of the unsuccessful guys on here. I guess you're looking for a relationship, but if you're at least managing to get guys to meet you then that's a good start. Any idea why they don't like you after they meet you? Are your photos unrealistically flattering compared to real life? What happens on the dates? You might also want to use a spell checker when sending messages - poor spelling can really put someone off!
oaks Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Maybe you and I should start up a group blog," The Ugly Girl's Guide to Dating"! Verhrzn, you're cute, not ugly.
Wolf18 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No matter how many times you re-assure her, Verzhn will still say she is ugly. She sent me pictures with her boyfriends, to try to crack this enigma. One was a cookie cutter Girl-person: a tall good looking blonde pirate, and other one was some average looking fellow. Apparently one of them said he liked her for her personality and she got offended by the idea that a man might like her for something other than her looks. I can imagine getting angry if you're a guy, and a girl is telling you she likes your personality "as a friend", but if it's someone whose already romantically involved with you then that should be a great compliment. There's no reason for her to have such a low self-esteem, except that some very hot women at her job turn heads while she doesn't notice anyone doing that for her . Verzhn wants to be the most popular girl wherever she goes, and it better not be because of her personality
oaks Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No matter how many times you re-assure her, Verzhn will still say she is ugly. Yes, I'm beginning to sense that.
BetheButterfly Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 I have been unsuccessful in the dating scene for 7 years. I met many guys from dating sites, social events and through friends. About 90% of guys who once see me at the sites or events treated me as invisible and ignorede after seeing me. They choosed to chat with other gals. I took the initiative to know a few guys but I always get rejected. Ppl commented that I have a gd perrrrsonality with ok looks yet guys dont and refuse to knoe me better in dating scenes. Im very sad because I felt that becos of my looks, I cant have decent relationships I don't think the issue is your looks. I think the whole dating scenario in itself is the issue. Nowadays, people see other people as merchandise to choose and "buy", use and replace. So, the issue is not you or your appearance, but rather the trends of today. The lowering of values with emphasis on plastic looks also hurts people, because it instills in them the shallow temporary fix pleasures, instead of the profound depths of inner beauty and wisdom. So, the solution for you is to do the following, if you wish to be in the superficial dating world of today: 1. Work out. Make sure not to have excess fat on your outside shell (your body.) Tone those muscles. 2. Invest in beauty products. Makeup, hairdos, waxing, and so on... 3. Fashion sense... it is amazing how an ordinary person can be transformed into a sparkly butterfly through fashion and beauty products, so get help from the "experts". The above will beautify you in terms of the physical sense. What is most important however is the inner self, so please don't forget to do the following: 1. Find a higher purpose in life... help people. What can you do to make the world a better place? 2. Enjoy life - find something that makes you happy... enjoy precious moments with family and friends. 3. Learn new things! Your brain is a priceless treasure that needs to be put to work everyday! Learn a new language, work on your math skills, keep your brain busy learning new things! If you do all the above, you won't have time to be depressed or down on yourself. Instead, you will grow in beauty both on the outside and inside. Hope you will soon be transformed from an "ugly duckling" to the beautiful swan you are.
Casablanca Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No matter how many times you re-assure her, Verzhn will still say she is ugly. It is possible that that is the case, I've never seen anything beyond her avatar which I think she is very cute in. She wouldn't be the only person like this. We all have our days where we look in the mirror and feel like we look like crap that day, but other days where we look and we're like, looking great today...at least I do.
ShannonMI Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 @verhrzn Youre always so down on yourself...and I wouldnt wanna hijack this thread...but do you have any clear pics of yourself to share. I think you look fine in your avatar...but its small and not much to go on. With as much as you get down on your dating situation Im just curious to see more of ya. Honesty if she thought she was so ugly, would she have an actual picture of herself as her avatar? Hahahahaha if I thought I was a dog, I would have nothing up there or some other type of picture. I call BS, Verhzn. You're a cute girl. So stop with the "I'm ugly" sh*t. It's getting old.
jobaba Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 It's equally hard for "worse than average" girls and "worse than average" guys. It's beyond me why guys think otherwise. It's not equal. There's a smattering of women who post here about having troubles attracting men. All from what I can see have had some form of relationship and sex and Verzhn has had many. Meanwhile, there's MANY men who post here who have had virtually nothing and are a similar age or older. It's much easier for a woman to find sex and relationships than a man of comparable beauty. Most women admit this to me without hesitation. Not to say it's not tough for unattractive women. It just is what it is.
Nexus One Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) It's not equal. There's a smattering of women who post here about having troubles attracting men. All from what I can see have had some form of relationship and sex and Verzhn has had many. Meanwhile, there's MANY men who post here who have had virtually nothing and are a similar age or older. Verhrzn for example once started a thread about not being able to get a boyfriend. Then later she said that she has had 4 boyfriends, has an FWB and was dating guys while f*cking the FWB. Render me puzzled. What she wants is probably a stable LTR, but that's a whole different type of challenge than getting a boyfriend, which obviously, she can get. Edited December 21, 2011 by Nexus One
ShannonMI Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Verhrzn for example once started a thread about not being able to get a boyfriend. Then later she said that she has had 4 boyfriends, has an FWB and was dating guys while f*cking the FWB. Render me puzzled. What she wants is probably a stable LTR, but that's a whole different type of challenge than getting a boyfriend, which obviously, she can. Yeah she contradicts herself all the time. She's not ugly and she's had a lot of male attention from what it sounds like.
verhrzn Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Honesty if she thought she was so ugly, would she have an actual picture of herself as her avatar? Hahahahaha if I thought I was a dog, I would have nothing up there or some other type of picture. I call BS, Verhzn. You're a cute girl. So stop with the "I'm ugly" sh*t. It's getting old. Here's the nitty-gritty break-down... If there was a nuclear Apocalypse tomorrow, and I was the only survivor left, and I looked in the mirror, I'd think I looked, if not attractive, at least "not bad." Average. Independent of people, I actually don't have too many problems with my looks. However, I have gotten CONSTANT negative feedback in real life about my looks. I, myself, don't have issues with my looks.... but it seems other people, particularly men, have plenty. I think I'm ugly because a man has never admitted being physically attracted to me, I think I'm ugly because I am not what men want, not because that is my actual opinion of myself. Now maybe the OP is different, and thinks she's ugly even when she looks in the mirror. But maybe she's like me, and thinks she looks fine until she walks out the door into the wider world. Then men reject her or ignore her over and over again, all the while telling her she's a great person, she has a good personality, her friends telling her she's really sweet and wonderful.... Which seems more likely, that all of these people are lying about her personality, or that they won't tell her the real reason men don't like her-that she isn't attractive. Why is it so hard for guys to understand.... when a woman friend-zones you by telling you that you're nice, you have a good personality, don't you automatically go to the conclusion that she thinks you're not physically attractive? Yet why is it so ludicrous when a woman jumps to the same conclusion when a man friend-zones her? And while you wouldn't post a picture of yourself if you thought you were a dog, Shannon, I don't operate that way. I post a picture of myself because I think it's a fun picture... and because it's a lot easier than constantly responding with links to posts demanding pictures to prove I'm as ugly as I say I am.
AD1980 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No matter how many times you re-assure her, Verzhn will still say she is ugly. She sent me pictures with her boyfriends, to try to crack this enigma. One was a cookie cutter Girl-person: a tall good looking blonde pirate, and other one was some average looking fellow. Apparently one of them said he liked her for her personality and she got offended by the idea that a man might like her for something other than her looks. I can imagine getting angry if you're a guy, and a girl is telling you she likes your personality "as a friend", but if it's someone whose already romantically involved with you then that should be a great compliment. There's no reason for her to have such a low self-esteem, except that some very hot women at her job turn heads while she doesn't notice anyone doing that for her . Verzhn wants to be the most popular girl wherever she goes, and it better not be because of her personality That's funny she made it seem like she had no standards at all and was seeing homeless guys or something who were dumping her.. People might say well she wants a ltr and hasnt gotten it but experience is still experience and lessons can be learned from each.. The male equivalent of her has had no experience and we've seen on here how the majority of women feel about guys in their late 20's and 30's with no experience So even if by some act of God i find a women who finds me attractive chances are my lack of dating will be used against me
AD1980 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Here's the nitty-gritty break-down... If there was a nuclear Apocalypse tomorrow, and I was the only survivor left, and I looked in the mirror, I'd think I looked, if not attractive, at least "not bad." Average. Independent of people, I actually don't have too many problems with my looks. However, I have gotten CONSTANT negative feedback in real life about my looks. I, myself, don't have issues with my looks.... but it seems other people, particularly men, have plenty. I think I'm ugly because a man has never admitted being physically attracted to me, I think I'm ugly because I am not what men want, not because that is my actual opinion of myself. Now maybe the OP is different, and thinks she's ugly even when she looks in the mirror. But maybe she's like me, and thinks she looks fine until she walks out the door into the wider world. Then men reject her or ignore her over and over again, all the while telling her she's a great person, she has a good personality, her friends telling her she's really sweet and wonderful.... Which seems more likely, that all of these people are lying about her personality, or that they won't tell her the real reason men don't like her-that she isn't attractive. Why is it so hard for guys to understand.... when a woman friend-zones you by telling you that you're nice, you have a good personality, don't you automatically go to the conclusion that she thinks you're not physically attractive? Yet why is it so ludicrous when a woman jumps to the same conclusion when a man friend-zones her? And while you wouldn't post a picture of yourself if you thought you were a dog, Shannon, I don't operate that way. I post a picture of myself because I think it's a fun picture... and because it's a lot easier than constantly responding with links to posts demanding pictures to prove I'm as ugly as I say I am. While i can sympathize with the part about not thinking you're ugly but if everyone else of the opposit gender does what good does it do you in the dating world which is totally true for some i think you're jumping to conclusions.. Maybe you just havent met a match yet..you're just assuming these guys left because of your looks
verhrzn Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Verhrzn for example once started a thread about not being able to get a boyfriend. Then later she said that she has had 4 boyfriends, has an FWB and was dating guys while f*cking the FWB. Render me puzzled. What she wants is probably a stable LTR, but that's a whole different type of challenge than getting a boyfriend, which obviously, she can get. Amazing how you sum up my dating experience without actually remembering any of the details. Yes, I've had boyfriends... 3/4s of whom admitted they only dated me because they were desperate, and dumped me as soon as they found a hot girl who was willing to date them. MY FWB dumped me by stating, quite clearly, that I was physically unattractive. I also didn't go on a single date while having an FWB.... The thread in which you and I got into the big argument was about the POSSIBILITY of me going on dates while having an FWB. Now, maybe having a relationship.... in which the guy fully admits he doesn't even find you attractive, and that you're a space filler because he's desperate and using you for 'practice'.... is your idea of dating success. To me, it's the relationship equivalent of getting a prostitute so you can get some sex.
verhrzn Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 That's funny she made it seem like she had no standards at all and was seeing homeless guys or something who were dumping her.. No, they weren't homeless, but Wolf is delusional in his assessment of the guys. I don't feel right posting pictures of people without their permission on a forum, but I can promise you that neither of the guys are as good-looking as he says. And the "tall" guy he's referring to is 5'8" at best... he just looks tall in a photo cause he's standing next to me, who is 5'1".
ShannonMI Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Here's the nitty-gritty break-down... If there was a nuclear Apocalypse tomorrow, and I was the only survivor left, and I looked in the mirror, I'd think I looked, if not attractive, at least "not bad." Average. Independent of people, I actually don't have too many problems with my looks. However, I have gotten CONSTANT negative feedback in real life about my looks. I, myself, don't have issues with my looks.... but it seems other people, particularly men, have plenty. I think I'm ugly because a man has never admitted being physically attracted to me, I think I'm ugly because I am not what men want, not because that is my actual opinion of myself. Now maybe the OP is different, and thinks she's ugly even when she looks in the mirror. But maybe she's like me, and thinks she looks fine until she walks out the door into the wider world. Then men reject her or ignore her over and over again, all the while telling her she's a great person, she has a good personality, her friends telling her she's really sweet and wonderful.... Which seems more likely, that all of these people are lying about her personality, or that they won't tell her the real reason men don't like her-that she isn't attractive. Why is it so hard for guys to understand.... when a woman friend-zones you by telling you that you're nice, you have a good personality, don't you automatically go to the conclusion that she thinks you're not physically attractive? Yet why is it so ludicrous when a woman jumps to the same conclusion when a man friend-zones her? And while you wouldn't post a picture of yourself if you thought you were a dog, Shannon, I don't operate that way. I post a picture of myself because I think it's a fun picture... and because it's a lot easier than constantly responding with links to posts demanding pictures to prove I'm as ugly as I say I am. Girl, you have zero self esteem. What is up with that? You are far from ugly. You are not a model, but you are cute. The men who call you ugly are f*cking @ssholes who know nothing. No man on these boards has said such a thing about you. Wolfie thinks you're very attractive. Kaylan thinks you're cute. And I'm sure there are others who have complimented you on here. These are nice guys, IMO. So find a nice guy. Not someone who wants you to look like Megan Fox. Men like that are shallow douchebags who you want nothing to do with.
AD1980 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No, they weren't homeless, but Wolf is delusional in his assessment of the guys. I don't feel right posting pictures of people without their permission on a forum, but I can promise you that neither of the guys are as good-looking as he says. And the "tall" guy he's referring to is 5'8" at best... he just looks tall in a photo cause he's standing next to me, who is 5'1". You're complaining about being ugly yet annoyed at the fact you had to date short guys who also arent very good looking Maybe these guys sensed you felt you were dong the, a favor by dating them or only dated them because you couldn't get anything better..
PJKino Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 No, they weren't homeless, but Wolf is delusional in his assessment of the guys. I don't feel right posting pictures of people without their permission on a forum, but I can promise you that neither of the guys are as good-looking as he says. And the "tall" guy he's referring to is 5'8" at best... he just looks tall in a photo cause he's standing next to me, who is 5'1". Wow you had to date a guy only 5'8? You poor thing Same old crap all women think the tall good looking guy is the prize and feel like their doing the short guy a favor if they date him
oaks Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 However, I have gotten CONSTANT negative feedback in real life about my looks. I, myself, don't have issues with my looks.... but it seems other people, particularly men, have plenty. I think I'm ugly because a man has never admitted being physically attracted to me, I think I'm ugly because I am not what men want, not because that is my actual opinion of myself. Of course the times when people on here, including some men, have told you that you aren't ugly and are attractive don't count for some reason?
Nexus One Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Amazing how you sum up my dating experience without actually remembering any of the details. Yes, I've had boyfriends... 3/4s of whom admitted they only dated me because they were desperate, and dumped me as soon as they found a hot girl who was willing to date them. MY FWB dumped me by stating, quite clearly, that I was physically unattractive. I did remember that, THAT'S why I posted the following: What she wants is probably a stable LTR, but that's a whole different type of challenge than getting a boyfriend, which obviously, she can get. :: I also didn't go on a single date while having an FWB.... My bad, I had that wrong. The thread in which you and I got into the big argument was about the POSSIBILITY of me going on dates while having an FWB. Not just about the possibility, about you justifying it.
AD1980 Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 Amazing how you sum up my dating experience without actually remembering any of the details. Yes, I've had boyfriends... 3/4s of whom admitted they only dated me because they were desperate, and dumped me as soon as they found a hot girl who was willing to date them. MY FWB dumped me by stating, quite clearly, that I was physically unattractive. I also didn't go on a single date while having an FWB.... The thread in which you and I got into the big argument was about the POSSIBILITY of me going on dates while having an FWB. Now, maybe having a relationship.... in which the guy fully admits he doesn't even find you attractive, and that you're a space filler because he's desperate and using you for 'practice'.... is your idea of dating success. To me, it's the relationship equivalent of getting a prostitute so you can get some sex. If you have had horrible experiences with Men i feel sorry for you but its just hard for me to believe all these guys came out of nowhere and said they are just with you because they are deseprate.. I know some guys who treated women badly and even them i have a hard time seeing saying that.. You're either exaggerating, have found the biggest douchebags on the planet in a row or because of your insecurity you pestered them till they snapped and said something harsh.. Hard to beleive they all came out of nowhere and decided to say these mean things to you..
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