Are more men beginning to care about a womans status?

[InJest]

But like I said, you are qualifying an exception. Not a rule.[/Quote]

 

Glad we agree that I was qualifying something, and not spouting off due to insecurity, which is what my comment was in response to.

 

 

Lmao....dont blame the economy?

Thats a riot, considering how many Americans are out of work.

 

When did you graduate, and how many interviews have you had for positions in your field?

 

I could have taken up Accounting if I wanted a sure job in the business field right out of school, but thats not my calling.

 

What's wrong with getting a job in accounting until you do land that job you want?

 

The economy is not an excuse, its a valid reason. How about you actually do some research on whats been happening to the US and the EU economies.

Im opposed to being dumb enough to jump abroad before getting some practical experience at home. Theres lots to consider for anyone who decides to move and work in another country. LOTS. Itd make more sense for me to work for a company here with international ties, get some work experience, and then get shipped out by them to get abroad experience as well.

 

The economy is a valid reason for someone losing their job, not for not being hired. Please explain to me how going to another country to conduct business is dumb, when you want a career in international business. You could argue that working for a US based company with international ties to gain experience makes more sense..if you had a job working for a US based company with international ties. All you have is offers to conduct business abroad(which many people in your field would be leaping at).

 

Trust me Id love to travel, but its not that time yet being someone fresh out of school. I need to get my feet under me and do well at home before I can think about being a success else where. Makes sense?

 

I think many would agree that it's the perfect time for you to do it, since you're such a fan of statistics.

 

Typing from a better place than I was 5 years ago.

Did your parents renovate the basement while you were at school or something? Progress is all that matters though, so I'll give you that one.

 

Like I said, if someone ever had to compete with you, with comparable experience, youd lose out. Simple. Ive seen it happen to several people in this economy.

 

Where'd you see it? One of your many internships?

 

Im sure. But did they have comparable experience?

I don't remember their experience, but it had to be comparable for them to be considered out of hundreds of applicants.

 

 

Thats your own personal issue to deal with I guess. Meh

 

So, why do you keep bringing it up?

 

Its not about putting things into a box. Id say I am quite perceptive...especially considering I take security very seriously.

 

Perceptive has a couple meanings. I believe you're probably perceptive in sense that you respond to sensory stimuli. However, I have a very tough time believing you have anything more than a marginal amount of sympathetic understanding or insight, which is the sense of the word to which I was referring. You only see what's on the surface. Security is an illusion.

Edited December 22, 2011 by InJest

[Shaun-Dro]

But hell, I used to talk to girls and if she told me she was studying art, id be less enthused than if she was studying math or law. Thing is, this used to not matter to guys, and as long as a girl was sexy and showed decent nurturing skills, most guys would bite.

 

I still bite when a woman shows these traits because that's what makes her valuable: her youth, beauty, and willingness to please her man. Other women who run around with heavy careers often become useless in the bigger picture since they're usually only about themselves.

[InJest]

I still bite when a woman shows these traits because that's what makes her valuable: her youth, beauty, and willingness to please her man. Other women who run around with heavy careers often become useless in the bigger picture since they're usually only about themselves.

 

I was about to laugh at this, until I realized you might be serious.

[snug.bunny]

My mom has her M.S. and is a biology teacher. My dad has his J.D. and is a defense attorney. So I was sort of raised to do well in school. However, though they helped me during college by giving me spending cash here or there, and feeding me, all my school loans are in my name, and I paid my own rent and gas money when I lived near campus.

 

Also, after I graduated until October, I was living on my own savings until I had to move back in due to not finding decent work.

 

Well, you're very lucky that both your parents were able to help you financially through college and that they still are. Do you have other brothers and sisters? Just curious.

 

Sure there is no "rule" about what having a degree will give someone. But the stats dont lie. You have a way greater chance at having a comfortable life and better wage with a college degree or vocational degree of some sort.

 

Depends on how you define comfortable. Better wages on average, yes.

 

And I have no problem letting girls know I am not working as of yet. I may have to get a part time gig like I did during college just so I have my own spending cash. Youd wouldnt be surprised how many girls out there are in the same boat. And I see it said on peoples online dating profiles too as well as them being upfront in real life.

 

Im not ashamed of it, because it is what it is, and a lot of people are unemployed or underemployed at the moment. However, to be honest, Ive been trying to refrain from dating until I start working because dating can be stressful and an expense anyways. But I love you ladies too much.

 

Well, all of that will come in time. And yes, many people are in the same boat, degree or no degree. You have one, so, I guess that makes you the "exception" then, at least for the time being...

[phineas]

Using dating as a means for free food and drinks is a seperate issue. And one I'm not convinced happens nearly as much as some men think.

 

The only way another adult could deplete your weekly funds past dating is by the choices *you* make and what you pay for.

 

Call me old fashioned but the older I get, the less a career matters to me and the more I'd just like to make a home with a good man.

 

The thing is though, that men today want you to be Betty Crocker, Prostitute in the bedroom, High class lady in the public, AND have a good job so that *he* doesn't have to worry about anyone but himself. Not exactly realistic expectations and in their own way, a bit selfish.

 

 

 

You sincerely think there is a huge difference between 25 and 30? Wait until your 30 and you won't think that way anymore. It's not nearly as far ahead as you may think. 25 is well into adulthood. However, I will agree that alot of 25 year olds are in the same boat.

 

have you been watching that housewives show? LOL!

 

I'm divorced. I do my own cooking & cleaning.

 

If she has a poor job or no job then prostitute is an interesting choice of words.

and I can care less about her status in public since I hang out at the townie bar.

 

I just want a woman who makes roughly the same amount of money as me.

 

So I don't apply to your example.

 

But you are right about one thing. No woman does deplete my funds. If they try their looking for a new BF.

[kaylan]

I still bite when a woman shows these traits because that's what makes her valuable: her youth, beauty, and willingness to please her man. Other women who run around with heavy careers often become useless in the bigger picture since they're usually only about themselves.

Heavy careers arent useless imo. Ambition is a good trait...plus the chick will prolly be loaded . However heavy careers can be a burden on a man or a woman when it comes to romance, since it makes it harder on them to make time for other things.

 

That being said, its not like the vast majority of professional women are in heavy, demanding careers. Neither are most men

 

Most folks have average jobs with your average levels of stress. At least from what Ive seen. Then again it all depends on the field, but more often its the men with heavy jobs that cause a lot of stress.

 

Well, you're very lucky that both your parents were able to help you financially through college and that they still are. Do you have other brothers and sisters? Just curious.

I am very lucky for what my parents did. But its rather run of the mill for college kids who go to state school. Most people I know have financial aid debt in their own name, but their parents paid for room and board though. Since I commuted to school for my first three years, thats where I fall in, but then I paid my own rent and bought my own food my last year. I also paid my own cell phone bill and gas as many of my friends did as well.

 

Some people were luckier than that and have their parents pay for EVERYTHING. So id say im your run of the mill average American dude.

 

And I have one brother.

Depends on how you define comfortable. Better wages on average, yes.

Id say having a better wage would make most people more comfy:)

Well, all of that will come in time. And yes, many people are in the same boat, degree or no degree. You have one, so, I guess that makes you the "exception" then, at least for the time being...

I wouldnt say I am an "exception". Its a recession, so people of all brackets are out of work at the moment. From the upper class to the lower class.

 

I dont plan to be like this for much longer though.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I have a college degree and had a good career (currently on hiatus as my boy is only 1). I made it very clear to potential men that while I had those things, I had no interest in being anything but a stay at home mom when my children were younger than school age. If I didn't have the degree or career, I guess men would have assumed I was lazy. I have no interest in working to pay another woman to care for my baby.

Apparently just wanting to be a stay at home mom is a major turn off these days, so some of us girls pretend to be career women to land a man and then become June Cleaver while our diplomas lie dormant

 

My xGF was just like this. She had a solid career making 100k+, but wanted to be a stay at home mom. When I told her that was cool, she just needed to give up the $2,000/month Nordstroms bill... she told me that I just needed to make more money. When I started working longer hours... she started cheating on me with a guy from work.

 

I've learned the hard way... avoid stay at home moms. The vast majority are soulless harpies... and they have a well earned reputation for being completely unfaithful.

[Woggle]

My xGF was just like this. She had a solid career making 100k+, but wanted to be a stay at home mom. When I told her that was cool, she just needed to give up the $2,000/month Nordstroms bill... she told me that I just needed to make more money. When I started working longer hours... she started cheating on me with a guy from work.

 

I've learned the hard way... avoid stay at home moms. The vast majority are soulless harpies... and they have a well earned reputation for being completely unfaithful.

 

I have seen this as well. The man's purpose in these relationship is to just work to provide the money. The other extreme is not good either.

 

It is really hard to find a woman with the just the right balance worth committing to. It seems that in many cases you either get the ball busting career woman who can take you or leave you or a so called traditional woman who expects you to provide her with a lifestyle. Neither make for a lasting and happy relationship.

[snug.bunny]

Heavy careers arent useless imo. Ambition is a good trait...plus the chick will prolly be loaded . However heavy careers can be a burden on a man or a woman when it comes to romance, since it makes it harder on them to make time for other things.

 

That being said, its not like the vast majority of professional women are in heavy, demanding careers. Neither are most men

 

Most folks have average jobs with your average levels of stress. At least from what Ive seen. Then again it all depends on the field, but more often its the men with heavy jobs that cause a lot of stress.

 

 

I am very lucky for what my parents did. But its rather run of the mill for college kids who go to state school. Most people I know have financial aid debt in their own name, but their parents paid for room and board though. Since I commuted to school for my first three years, thats where I fall in, but then I paid my own rent and bought my own food my last year. I also paid my own cell phone bill and gas as many of my friends did as well.

 

Some people were luckier than that and have their parents pay for EVERYTHING. So id say im your run of the mill average American dude.

 

And I have one brother.

Id say having a better wage would make most people more comfy:)

 

I wouldnt say I am an "exception". Its a recession, so people of all brackets are out of work at the moment. From the upper class to the lower class.

 

I dont plan to be like this for much longer though.

 

Why are my posts quoted as "Shaun-Dro"?

 

But you ARE an exception. You have a degree and you aren't working, that is an EXCEPTION.

[kaylan]

Crap. I pasted the wrong name when splitting up the quotes. Sorry.

 

I still say I am not an exception because many people are without work in a recession. Thats how recessions and economic downturns work. It doesnt pick and choose who doesnt work.

 

In a regular churning or booming economy, youll usually have way less of that.

 

But as I said, I wont be like this for long. Ive been on my interviews and such and will make a name for myself soon enough.

[snug.bunny]

Crap. I pasted the wrong name when splitting up the quotes. Sorry.

 

I still say I am not an exception because many people are without work in a recession. Thats how recessions and economic downturns work. It doesnt pick and choose who doesnt work.

 

In a regular churning or booming economy, youll usually have way less of that.

 

But as I said, I wont be like this for long. Ive been on my interviews and such and will make a name for myself soon enough.

 

Not a problem there Kaylan.

 

Happy job hunting and best of luck!

[phineas]

My xGF was just like this. She had a solid career making 100k+, but wanted to be a stay at home mom. When I told her that was cool, she just needed to give up the $2,000/month Nordstroms bill... she told me that I just needed to make more money. When I started working longer hours... she started cheating on me with a guy from work.

 

I've learned the hard way... avoid stay at home moms. The vast majority are soulless harpies... and they have a well earned reputation for being completely unfaithful.

 

This is pretty much how it went down with my now ex-wife.

Extended maternity leave, a wedding & honeymoon credit card bill, car loan & her not curtailing her spending.

 

Led to me working side jobs & her to be claiming I was ignoring her & used it as an excuse to cheat.

[kaylan]

I gotta ask why are you letting these women spend YOUR money like that. Its one thing for her to spend it on things thats are needed for her and the baby around the house. Ya know, neccessities. But if you dont put your foot down, and you are getting second and third jobs to support her bad spending habits....well then all I can say is "tough luck chuck, learn to be a better judge of character"

 

I can smell a woman like that a mile away and would tell her if she wants to do that she can either spend her own savings frivolously, or get out of my house.

 

If some chicks telling you to make more money to support her poor habits, shes obviously not with your for love or companionship...so kindly tell those bitxches to fvk off.

[Feelsgoodman]

I have a college degree and had a good career (currently on hiatus as my boy is only 1). I made it very clear to potential men that while I had those things, I had no interest in being anything but a stay at home mom when my children were younger than school age. If I didn't have the degree or career, I guess men would have assumed I was lazy. I have no interest in working to pay another woman to care for my baby.

 

Apparently just wanting to be a stay at home mom is a major turn off these days, so some of us girls pretend to be career women to land a man and then become June Cleaver while our diplomas lie dormant

I have no qualms with you wanting to be a single mom, but I do have a problem with you going to college. I mean, think of the waste...College education is expensive, and someone had to pay for yours...Either your parents paid, in which case they wasted tens if not hundreds of thousands of dollars or you took out a student loan that your future husband will be paying off. In either case, it was a completely unnecessary expenditure.

 

Also, if you were in a competitive program, your spot could have been awarded to someone else...someone who would have actually worked in the field. So it's not just parents and husbands, but society as a whole that is paying the price.

[kaylan]

Wtf are you talking about? I have 4 years of school witha lil less than 20 k in debt.

 

I can pay that off in three years working full time making around 40K which an average starting starting salary for a grad.

 

Schooling is def worth the money. Id rather be able to command 50k after a few years of experience out of college, than less than 30k with a few years of experience out of high school.

[Feelsgoodman]

Wtf are you talking about? I have 4 years of school witha lil less than 20 k in debt.

 

I can pay that off in three years working full time making around 40K which an average starting starting salary for a grad.

 

Schooling is def worth the money. Id rather be able to command 50k after a few years of experience out of college, than less than 30k with a few years of experience out of high school.

Read the post I was replying to, dummy...

[kaylan]

I did dummy. You were saying that school isnt worth the loans. Im telling you it is. Regardless of the debt amounts, it can pay off if you go into a high paying profession.

 

And I love the assumptions you made about someone having to fund her tuition for her. Some people work and never have a dime of debt after they graduate. And I know a few people like this.

 

They always see their education as a great investment.

[Feelsgoodman]

I did dummy. You were saying that school isnt worth the loans.

Read it again, dummy...I wasn't saying that at all.

[kaylan]

How about you re read what she said then....dummy

 

1) you made assumptions about how she paid for school. how do you know she doesnt have it paid off or well under control?

 

2) shes on HIATUS from work...which means she plans to work again once her kids are school age, so she can pay her own debt off.

[colliejoanie]

In regards to "having another woman raise your child"....honestly I think that's ridiculous....and studies show that kids in daycare are much more well adusted than those that stay home with mom......They have more interaction with other kids their age and they're also interacting with adults who have different personalities. They're learning LIFE.

 

Staying home with your children is your choice.....I tried and didn't like it one bit.....some people like it....but please, don't say that someone else is raising my child.....You have NO idea.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Hey kaylan,

 

I read feelsgoodman's post and I think he has a good point. He didn't seem to be entirely talking about bean. He could have been talking about women in general who don't use their degrees. I've met many women with a degree or getting their degree who said they prefer to be a stay at home mom. bean said she's on hiatus but there's nothing to say she couldn't end up wanting to stay a stay at home mom when hiatus is over. That kind of stuff happens all the time.

[Dust]

Wow this thread offends me. It's bad enough many women are impressed by a guy calling himself doctor or being Yale educated, but now it seems the OP is doing it. Do you seriously sit around saying why can't I meet a nice doctor or other such nonsense.

 

Seriously if I met a girl who was a waitress or better yet didn't have a job I seriously couldn't care less. Also I don't care if she lives at home with mommy and daddy. I'm not a woman. I'm looking for my princess not my prince.

 

I'm not saying I wouldn't be impressed by some girl being a scientist or what ever. I'm just saying it isn't even something I care about to the degree that its something I'm seeking.

[kaylan]

I want an ambitious woman who aims to be a success in her career...even if success means making a decent, modest living. Its more attractive to me in this day and age.

 

And as people said before, its just my age group rolling with the times. Its not about prince and princess...that mentality is dead. Relationships are partnerships and I have outlined why men want a partner rather than someone to take care of anymore.

 

Theres way more financial stability and also guys run less risk of running into chick who can ruin him financially if things go south. Weve seen it happen often with the older generation.

 

Again, I am looking for a partner...someone who is like me. People usually seek out someone like them self for a relationship

[Dust]

For all I know I'm younger then you. I also have many friends some of which are younger then me.

 

I'll speak for all of us when I say the day one of them comes to me and say "omg I landed a doctor and she went Harvard... Me with a Harvard Doctor!" Then I respond with "I knew you'd find a good woman" and we start jumping up and down... that is also the day I whip out my dick and start 69ing with my male friend because that would me we were gay. Nothing would be wrong with that.

 

But as I am a straight man I don't care about a woman status. I mean sure if a girl has a wealthy father or something who is going to buy us our first house sweet. But to say I activley want a woman with some good job and and fancy education... No! Seriously I'd be far more excited by some waitress then an accountant women or what ever. I want a girl who will bring cuteness and beauty into my world. Yes I still want a princess and I want to treat her like a princess. Thats my girl. I mean if my princess went to Harvard so be it. But it's not going to be the selling factor to me.

[kaylan]

Again, your mind is stuck on archaic gender roles. A lot of guys date female doctors. Who do you think their husbands are?

 

Youre insecurity shows at the fact that a successful woman would make you feel like a bitxch or a gay man. Thats on you and says a lot about yourself.

 

For a lot of guys, we dont give a crap. A successful, ambitious woman, does not automatically mean Harvard lawyer. It could be a girl whos an actress that went the New School in NYC, or a local banker who went and got a business degree from state school and makes a modest middle class living.

 

Why is it bad that i actively seek a successful woman in todays world of global finance and equal opportunity? But its not a bad thing for you to seek someone whod be beneath your status since your an insecure guy who needs to prove hes the man?

 

If its not a selling factor for you that a girl is ambitious in the professional world then good for you. Nowadays though, most dudes know better than to let someone have potential say over their finances who isnt bringing equal things to the table. Most guys arent looking for a girl theyed have to take care of anymore. An accoutant can take care of herself a lot more easily than a waitress.

 

I want a partner. Whos to say that a cute girl who works for the DA's office cant be my princess still when Im working management of some international firm one day?

Edited December 23, 2011 by kaylan