Are more men beginning to care about a womans status?

[kaylan]

I was talking to a couple buddies about this.

 

I am attracted to women on my level, so to speak. I like a girl who is college educated, or at least have gone to some sort of school for her field, or is currently in school. When I am on online profiles, if a girl is past the age of 21 and not in college yet, I tend to get turned off. And they usually have the most baggage it seems.

 

Its because usually in my experience these women usually dont have the ambition that girls who went to school have. They expect a dude to come along and take care of them...or they made some not so smart life decisions that made it hard to go back to school. From speaking to women in the real world or reading profiles, it would seem that the educated girls def have a better head on their shoulders.

 

 

But I feel like me and some of my friends have started to screen women the way they do us. Smart, educated, good job, not a lot of debt...Basically in the present day, being sexy isnt all that matters anymore. Men want stability and what not from women along with a good personality. I want a sexy girl whos my intellectual equal, and I usually find that in an educated career woman. Complicated, intellectual girls who can hold debates with me sooooo do it for me lol

 

But hell, I used to talk to girls and if she told me she was studying art, id be less enthused than if she was studying math or law. Thing is, this used to not matter to guys, and as long as a girl was sexy and showed decent nurturing skills, most guys would bite.

 

But I guess its that nowadays to me a good women can show those skills by being independent and having her own money and stuff. Because in my head a 2 income household or relationship, is way more stable. The kids will always have more, and theres more security in that. Also, Id get more of the feeling that shes with me more for my personality. And I am def with her for her personality, and her personality plays into the fact that she became a successful independent adult.

 

 

Like for example, my good buddy used to work for this flight company. And the VP of Finances was this young girl...late 20s early 30s. Im only 25, but thats a young age to be Financial VP of that company, since it made a lot of cash. Either way, she was sexy(love a woman in a business suit), went to a good school, and had this funky personality. But I was super attracted to the fact that she was thing strong professional business woman with power and was sexy to boot.

 

Anyone feel me on this?

Edited December 20, 2011 by kaylan

[Woggle]

If a woman has her own she won't try to take mine so that is a main reason why it matters.

[bean1]

I have a college degree and had a good career (currently on hiatus as my boy is only 1). I made it very clear to potential men that while I had those things, I had no interest in being anything but a stay at home mom when my children were younger than school age. If I didn't have the degree or career, I guess men would have assumed I was lazy. I have no interest in working to pay another woman to care for my baby.

 

Apparently just wanting to be a stay at home mom is a major turn off these days, so some of us girls pretend to be career women to land a man and then become June Cleaver while our diplomas lie dormant

[carhill]

I think men, particularly young men, are smart to care about a woman's 'status'. At my age, there are too many other more important things in life to care about, like health, retirement and getting the most traction out of my remaining time on earth. A woman's 'status' means little to me. Her 'humanity' means a lot. Differing preferences for differing ages and demographics.

 

As far as I'm concerned, women who choose SAHM as their career are PhD's in my book. Experts in their field. Severely under-compensated. Swimming upstream in an increasingly career and money-driven society. Nurturers of our future. A 'status' I respect and admire.

[lululucy]

Apparently just wanting to be a stay at home mom is a major turn off these days, so some of us girls pretend to be career women to land a man and then become June Cleaver while our diplomas lie dormant

 

That is messsssssed.

I would hate to be tricked like that by a man and I can't imagine doing that to someone I was with either. It's unfortunate that women who want to be stay-at-homes resort to that kind of thing.

 

 

I personally am the exact opposite. I want my own career and job so I can support myself -- I wonder sometimes if it's a product of being the child of a single mother, I learned never to rely on someone else to pay your way. And I'm a bit of a skeptic of love so I can't imagine a relationship lasting forever and then being stuck at the bottom of the ladder.. never going to happen. I'm glad there are guys out there looking for that kind of thing, means my options aren't limited if I'm ever single again

[kaylan]

I have a college degree and had a good career (currently on hiatus as my boy is only 1). I made it very clear to potential men that while I had those things, I had no interest in being anything but a stay at home mom when my children were younger than school age. If I didn't have the degree or career, I guess men would have assumed I was lazy. I have no interest in working to pay another woman to care for my baby.

 

Apparently just wanting to be a stay at home mom is a major turn off these days, so some of us girls pretend to be career women to land a man and then become June Cleaver while our diplomas lie dormant

Well I am glad you found a guy whos ok with that. Im not particularly attracted to women who want to do the stay at home thing. Seems too old school for me and I like a modern gal.

 

Plus your career potential gets retarded by being out of the field for so long. Who would hire you in the future? Plus you lose years of potential experience. God forbid someone ever loses their job, then what? I have seen some women bail when that happens and it always made me curious of those particular gals intentions. However with two people working someone can pick up the slack in the event of a financial crisis.

 

The thing about being a stay at home parent is that many times women dont go back in the work force even when their kids get school age. Thats also a big part of the reason hiring rates and pay rates are not completely even between genders yet. Plus, what happens if theres a divorce? The woman will either A) have no education and little earning power or B) have less earning power despite being educated because she put her career on hold too long. Financial independence is key in the 21st century

 

Ideally, for me, I plan to provide for my mom when I have my own family and in exchange ask her if she can help watch the lil ones so my wife and I could still work full time. It just seems to make more sense that both parents further their careers while also raising helping to raise the children when off from work in the evening. Grandma to the rescue, no strangers needed.

 

Its good you let guys know of your intentions right off the bat. I know I couldnt date a girl who expected me to take care of her. It is a turn off sorry. Independence is whats attractive to me. So is ambition. So if a girl fakes ambition as a ploy to just get a man, I'll know.

Edited December 21, 2011 by kaylan

[Fondue]

When I started college, I would only look for woman whom were also in college, nothing below.

 

When I graduated and got my degree, I would only look for woman with the same. A woman with a degree, or at the very least, whom is almost finished with hers.

 

When I got a career job that makes a living, I only look for women with the same level work/income.

 

From my own experiences, as I grew and matured as a person, I expected my partners to be on the same level.

 

I have a feeling that many men (and women are like this). We choose our mates to as our equals, not our subordinates.

 

But unfortunately for me, I choose my mates as those whom are equals because I do not want to be expected to carry them. I do not want to "help" pay for things like meals/travels/living expenses. Basically, I do not want to share my money, or something like that.

[thatone]

i'm hearing what you're saying but don't write off the artistic types.

 

i have a theory on this, which is well supported by others, that universities teach kids how to make money these days but they don't teach them class. the artistic types should have class.

 

of course that's not always the case just like people with MBAs being mature is not always the case. but don't write people off just because they are of a specific chosen career path.

[FitChick]

And there are plenty of people with Masters degrees working at McDonald's or Target.

[kaylan]

In this poor economy sure.

 

But statistics show that those with a Bachelors and Masters degree make loads more money over their lifetime and are also display more intellectual prowess than folks who did not complete college.

[Wolf18]

 

As far as I'm concerned, women who choose SAHM as their career are PhD's in my book. Experts in their field. Severely under-compensated. Swimming upstream in an increasingly career and money-driven society. Nurturers of our future. A 'status' I respect and admire.

 

 

Amen.

 

The less college a woman gets, the better IMO. Women who are indoctrinated in the party line by lesbo commie professors are impossible to date.

[kaylan]

When I started college, I would only look for woman whom were also in college, nothing below.

 

When I graduated and got my degree, I would only look for woman with the same. A woman with a degree, or at the very least, whom is almost finished with hers.

 

When I got a career job that makes a living, I only look for women with the same level work/income.

 

From my own experiences, as I grew and matured as a person, I expected my partners to be on the same level.

I have a feeling that many men (and women are like this). We choose our mates to as our equals, not our subordinates.

But unfortunately for me, I choose my mates as those whom are equals because I do not want to be expected to carry them. I do not want to "help" pay for things like meals/travels/living expenses. Basically, I do not want to share my money, or something like that.

What you said in bold is very true. I think thats how people are nowadays. Though from some guys I run into or talk to on other forums, some seem to want a woman whos beneath them and dont mind taking care of them. They think career women are "trying to be men" which is BS.

 

They are stuck in the past and seemed threatened by independent women.

[kaylan]

Amen.

 

The less college a woman gets, the better IMO. Women who are indoctrinated in the party line by lesbo commie professors are impossible to date.

Whats wrong with an educated woman who wants to make her own money?

 

Carhill was giving stay at home moms props while also respecting the fact that times have changed and people have adapted to a new society.

 

You, on the other hand, seem to be slamming women who want to go to school. Trust me when I say lesbian and commie professors are not even 1% of faculty in this country. Hell I went to a super liberal school and didnt come across that.

[Wolf18]

What you said in bold is very true. I think thats how people are nowadays. Though from some guys I run into or talk to on other forums, some seem to want a woman whos beneath them and dont mind taking care of them. They think career women are "trying to be men" which is BS.

 

They are stuck in the past and seemed threatened by independent women.

 

 

Nobody's threatened by some womans pencil pusher job, it's just that "independent women" tend more towards being cold hearted, materialistic and bitchy. They are trying to be men, but for some strange reason women have convinced themselves that greed, lacking empathy, etc are masculine traits when the truth couldn't be more different.

 

Chances are if you have an "independent" wife you will probably never see her and she will have no qualms divorcing you on a whim. The money you invest into a woman to stay home and raise your children you end up spending on maids and babysitters anyway.

Edited December 21, 2011 by a LoveShack.org Moderator

[Wolf18]

Whats wrong with an educated woman who wants to make her own money?[/Quote]

 

 

The type of things they teach women in sociology and women's studies classes are just vile in my opinion. Women tend to absorb material in less skeptical ways than men do.

 

 

Carhill was giving stay at home moms props while also respecting the fact that times have changed and people have adapted to a new society.

 

You, on the other hand, seem to be slamming women who want to go to school. Trust me when I say lesbian and commie professors are not even 1% of faculty in this country. Hell I went to a super liberal school and didnt come across that.

 

They make 90% of the liberal arts faculty at my school. Even the male professors are feminists and force you to read dribble like the Feminine Mystique over and over .

[colliejoanie]

Wow, Wolf, you need to put yourself in a time out.

[kaylan]

Nobody's threatened by some womans pencil pusher job, it's just that "independent women" tend more towards being cold hearted, materialistic and bitchy. They are trying to be men, but for some strange reason women have convinced themselves that greed, lacking empathy, etc are masculine traits when the truth couldn't be more different.

 

Chances are if you have an "independent" wife you will probably never see her and she will have no qualms divorcing you on a whim. The money you invest into a woman to stay home and raise your children you end up spending on maids and babysitters anyway if you have a shoulder pad wearing business cunt living with you .

You are a fvvking idiot bro. Im convinced.

 

More women go to college than men nowadays. Plus the wage gap continues to shrink and more women have professional jobs. Not just "pencil pusher" jobs. How about you get into the real world and explore. Come here to NYC and LOOK AROUND. Plenty of professional business women who are nice and down to earth.

 

Quit reciting that old stereotype that independent women are cold. They arent....they have backbone...and a lot of it because they have to put up with BS from guys who say crap about women like you do. If you take them seriously, they are like anyone else.

 

Lmao, girls cant win with some of you guys. Most guys complain that the girls who dont go to school and make their own cash are materialistic...but here you come saying the exact same thing about independent career women. If she wants to be materialistic, LET HER...she has her own money and thats a blessing to many dudes.

 

To succeed in the professional world, some people are greedy and lack empathy...man or woman....but that doesnt make them masculine traits dude. Anyone can have these traits. Its just that finally the world is equalizing where women get the same opportunities that men do to get into those higher places where some of those traits flourish.

 

And to be honest, Id rather have an independent gal who has no qualms about divorcing me so I dont waste my time if we dont belong together. Thats better than ending up with someone whos staying with me just for the security and if we get divorced Im supporting her anyways because she has no way to support herself.

 

How about you grow up kid and get into the real world and see some things and maybe even travel before you talk like you know everything. Why do I need to pay a babysitter when my mom can watch the kids? Why make a woman stay home when MOST households have two working parents nowadays. Who the hell needs to pay a maid? My wife and I could clean our own house.

 

jeez

[kaylan]

Wow, Wolf, you need to put yourself in a time out.

Def. Hes the typical bitter male LSer...jeez

 

The type of things they teach women in sociology and women's studies classes are just vile in my opinion. Women tend to absorb material in less skeptical ways than men do.

 

 

 

 

They make 90% of the liberal arts faculty at my school. Even the male professors are feminists and force you to read dribble like the Feminine Mystique over and over .

Feminism is about equality. Some of them are over the top, but any of the Womens Studies professors I have met have been pretty down to earth. They seek to establish equality between genders.

 

You opinion means fvvck all to me with how you stereotype people and try and throw traits and emotions into gender boxes. Your mode of thinking is exactly what they are trying to get rid of because its no good for society. Not in this day and age.

 

 

EDIT

 

P.S. - Do you realize how small the percentage of women in college taking Womens Studies courses is? So for you to come and steer my thread in that direction says a lot about you. Especially when I look in your thread creation and post history.

 

When I started this thread, the professional women I was talking about were teachers, lawyers, nurses, business women, etc. Most of these women never set foot in Womens Studies or Sociology classes.

 

You seriously have issues with how you feel towards women. Stop being bitter dude.

Edited December 21, 2011 by kaylan

[Wolf18]

You are a fvvking idiot bro. Im convinced.[/Quote]

I don't understand, I'm not insulting you, I have a different opinion and want to exchange ideas with you. Yet, like a typical hysterical emotional modern man, your first instinct is to call people names.

 

 

More women go to college than men nowadays. Plus the wage gap continues to shrink and more women have professional jobs. Not just "pencil pusher" jobs. How about you get into the real world and explore. Come here to NYC and LOOK AROUND. Plenty of professional business women who are nice and down to earth.[/Quote]Actually, I LIVE in NYC and I have known plenty of these types of women, including in my own family. Half of them are soulless/sociopathic, the other half end up abusing antidepressants at age 40 because they finally figure out that this type of life doesn't make them happy.

 

Quit reciting that old stereotype that independent women are cold. They arent....they have backbone...and a lot of it because they have to put up with BS from guys who say crap about women like you do. If you take them seriously, they are like anyone else.[/Quote]I think you just like being walked all over by women

 

Just because you're into that, doesn't mean we all have to be.

 

 

Lmao, girls cant win with some of you guys. Most guys complain that the girls who dont go to school and make their own cash are materialistic...but here you come saying the exact same thing about independent career women. If she wants to be materialistic, LET HER...she has her own money and thats a blessing to many dudes.

To succeed in the professional world, some people are greedy and lack empathy...man or woman....but that doesnt make them masculine traits dude. Anyone can have these traits. Its just that finally the world is equalizing where women get the same opportunities that men do to get into those higher places where some of those traits flourish.[/Quote]I would know, because that's exactly what I said. But often times women, who by biological nature do not have dominant instincts, confuse a lack of empathy with masculinity.

 

 

 

And to be honest, Id rather have an independent gal who has no qualms about divorcing me so I dont waste my time if we dont belong together. Thats better than ending up with someone whos staying with me just for the security and if we get divorced Im supporting her anyways because she has no way to support herself.

 

How about you grow up kid and get into the real world and see some things and maybe even travel before you talk like you know everything. Why do I need to pay a babysitter when my mom can watch the kids? Why make a woman stay home when MOST households have two working parents nowadays. Who the hell needs to pay a maid? My wife and I could clean our own house.[/Quote]

I've been to Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Austria, Germany, Italy, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Poland and I'm definitely forgetting a few. The women who lived in countries where society doesn't encourage a career as the only purpose in life and is more rigid in gender roles had the warmest, simplest, and most loving women by FAR.

Edited December 21, 2011 by Wolf18

[kaylan]

I don't understand, I'm not insulting you, I have a different opinion and want to exchange ideas with you. Yet, like a typical hysterical emotional modern man, your first instinct is to call people names.

Lets see...you call women shoulder pad cvunts...but get mad when I call you a name? I take offense to your bs because my mom was/is a independent professional woman that raised two kids as a single parent. My dad was a around and helped raise us, but things would of been easier with two incomes under one roof.

 

Actually, I LIVE in NYC and I have known plenty of these types of women, including in my own family. Half of them are soulless/sociopathic, the other half end up abusing antidepressants at age 40 because they finally figure out that this type of life doesn't make them happy.

And I have known professional women quite different from this who were great ladies. And I have known a lot of professional men with a lot of problems...so wheres that leave us? You can put a group of people under one umbrella.

 

I am pretty sure you experience confirmation bias due to how bitter you are towards women. All one has to do is see your threads to know how bitter you are. They ALL have the same whiny theme.

 

 

I think you just like being walked all over by women

 

Just because you're into that, doesn't mean we all have to be.

Since when does being attracted to a woman who does not let idiots like you talk down to her mean Id let her walk all over me?

 

You sure have some funny logic kid.

 

 

 

I would know, because that's exactly what I said. But often times women, who by biological nature do not have dominant instincts, confuse a lack of empathy with masculinity.

Spare me bro. Like I said, traits and emotions run the gamut and can/do exist in both men and women.

 

 

 

I've been to Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Austria, Germany, Italy, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile, Poland and I'm definitely forgetting a few. The women who lived in countries where society doesn't encourage a career as the only purpose in life and is more rigid in gender roles had the warmest and most loving women by FAR.

Really? France doesnt encourage a career? Neither does Spain or Italy? My old classmates would definitely argue differently...as would I as graduate of International Business studies. My old advisor would argue this too.

 

Unless you studied these nations or lived there extensively...citizens will tell you that getting an education and career is highly value in industrialized Western nations.

 

I should go on Facebook right now and ask my good french buddies about what you said.

 

A career allows one to be self sustaining and not have to rely on someone else. Marriages dont always last forever so its SMART for women to have their own way to provide for themselves. The fact that you argue against that in this 21st century world of globalized business and shifting trends truly astounds me.

 

 

EDIT

 

BTW, its not uncommon for a foreigner to go abroad to other nations and be treated warmly. People fancy rarities like foreigners. You should have seen how my visiting international classmates were treated here. Its common for many people to "ooh and ahh" at foreigners and try to give a good impression of their home land to the visitors.

 

I have met a great number of warm and nice women in my life in America. Just because you are bitter from your failing does not mean theres something wrong with the girls. Its most likely you tbh. Thats the commonality. You attitude is rather ****e imo, so that may be it.

Edited December 21, 2011 by kaylan

[Wolf18]

Lets see...you call women shoulder pad cvunts...but get mad when I call you a name? I take offense to your bs because my mom was/is a independent professional woman that raised two kids as a single parent. My dad was a around and helped raise us, but things would of been easier with two incomes under one roof.[/Quote]

I don't get mad at words on a computer screen, unlike certain pansies.

 

I wasn't putting down women who work because they have to, I admire them. What I was talking about is women who choose to dedicate all their energy and time into their career just to increase their shoe collection or go on stupid cruises. The majority of "professional" women in NYC, fall under the latter category.

 

 

And I have known professional women quite different from this who were great ladies. And I have known a lot of professional men with a lot of problems...so wheres that leave us? You can put a group of people under one umbrella.

 

I am pretty sure you experience confirmation bias due to how bitter you are towards women. All one has to do is see your threads to know how bitter you are. They ALL have the same whiny theme.[/Quote]

Who is whining? Just because I support gender roles where the woman stays home and the man works and I don't attend Slutwalk rallies with you doesn't mean I'm "bitter", unless you're going to tell me virtually every worthwhile civilization of the world before 1960's America was composed and led by "bitter" males.

 

Since when does being attracted to a woman who does not let idiots like you talk down to her mean Id let her walk all over me?

 

You sure have some funny logic kid.[/Quote]In that other thread you were complaining because you get off when women beat you up and LOL dominate you but girls don't want to do this

 

 

Spare me bro. Like I said, traits and emotions run the gamut and can/do exist in both men and women.[/Quote]

Of course they do. But correlations still exist. Not to mention the active social system which trains people to take on traits of the opposite gender, which has proven to be a huge failure. I can cite you studies about how a disproportionate amount of "professional women" end up burning out by 30.

 

Really? France doesnt encourage a career? Neither does Spain or Italy? My old classmates would definitely argue differently...as would I as graduate of International Business studies. My old advisor would argue this too.[/Quote]

France, Germany, and Austria are more like America. Spain on the other hand, has far more emphasis on traditional gender roles (and the women I met were far warmer and kind), Italy's kind of in between, depending on the region.

 

Unless you studied these nations or lived there extensively...citizens will tell you that getting an education and career is highly value in industrialized Western nations.[/Quote]Well I would go to these countries because my grandfather used to work for a beef exporting business and during the summer I would travel with him. I would spend many days in these areas, and because I speak fluent German , Spanish and a decent amount of French, I mingled with the locals when out partying. I wasn't just some fanny pack wearing sight seeing american tourist.

 

I should go on Facebook right now and ask my good french buddies about what you said.

 

A career allows one to be self sustaining and not have to rely on someone else. Marriages dont always last forever so its SMART for women to have their own way to provide for themselves. The fact that you argue against that in this 21st century world of globalized business and shifting trends truly astounds me.[/Quote]

This is the point. Why don't marriage's last forever anymore? Maybe you ought to look into the statistically proven reasons for that, instead of simply having a kneejerk, programmed reaction when people try to explain it to you.

 

 

 

BTW, its not uncommon for a foreigner to go abroad to other nations and be treated warmly. People fancy rarities like foreigners. You should have seen how my visiting international classmates were treated here. Its common for many people to "ooh and ahh" at foreigners and try to give a good impression of their home land to the visitors.

 

I have met a great number of warm and nice women in my life in America. Just because you are bitter from your failing does not mean theres something wrong with the girls. Its most likely you tbh. Thats the commonality. You attitude is rather ****e imo, so that may be it. [/Quote]Yes of course the old "U JUST NEED TO GET LAIDDDD" argument. I've banged as many chicks in my life as you have (and most of them were American) so this is really just a particularly pathetic red herring. Because of course, you can't have any criticism at all of the current system without having some underlying sexual reason for it, right?

 

I'm not the only one who says there's something wrong with women in America and countries attempting to emulate its system. There are many men who agree with me. I didn't wake up one day and say "I'm going to irrationally dislike the mainstream, cosmopolitan American woman, for no good reason, let me go online and look up reasons so that I can justify my hateful hate".

[kaylan]

I don't get mad at words on a computer screen, unlike certain pansies.

 

I wasn't putting down women who work because they have to, I admire them. What I was talking about is women who choose to dedicate all their energy and time into their career just to increase their shoe collection or go on stupid cruises. The majority of "professional" women in NYC, fall under the latter category.

My mom had her career WELL before she had me and my brother...so you were still putting her down for doing so.

 

You dont know what the majority of professional women do. You are only in your early 20s and are still in college. You can speak for everyone based on your bitter assumptions. Plenty of men and women work so they can support themselves....and plenty focus only on their careers for material things...doesnt matter to me if they wanna buy themselves things.

 

Why dont you ever make threads about the men who do the same things you always cry about women doing?

 

 

 

Who is whining? Just because I support gender roles where the woman stays home and the man works and I don't attend Slutwalk rallies with you doesn't mean I'm "bitter", unless you're going to tell me virtually every worthwhile civilization of the world before 1960's America was composed and led by "bitter" males.

The tone of all of your threads and most of your posts is that of a whiner. You constantly complain about how other people(women) are and never stop to think that its maybe your negative attitude causing you to fail.

 

And you support archaic, outdated gender roles. Roles that dont universally apply in todays world. Gender roles and the world are constantly evolving. I have no problem with women being FREE to CHOOSE their role in society. Nor do I have a problem with men choosing their own roles. Why do you have an issue with this? Let people decide what makes them happy and quit crying about it.

 

Lol@slutwalk tho. Thats an excuse to be trashy and it potentially spreads stds

 

In that other thread you were complaining because you get off when women beat you up and LOL dominate you but girls don't want to do this

What does that have to do with this thread? Who cares if I enjoy rough sex where a woman actually does half the work. That has nothing to do with this convo. Nice try buddy, stay on topic. You still fail at logic, as per usual.

 

Of course they do. But correlations still exist. Not to mention the active social system which trains people to take on traits of the opposite gender, which has proven to be a huge failure. I can cite you studies about how a disproportionate amount of "professional women" end up burning out by 30.

I can show you studies where high numbers on men burn out at 30 and 35. I can show you studies showing you that professional women are happier than housewives back in the day.

 

Whats your point? If you want to go the statistical route and waist more time, create your own thread and stop derailing mine with BS. Its the same crap you pulled in my fitness thread.

 

France, Germany, and Austria are more like America. Spain on the other hand, has far more emphasis on traditional gender roles (and the women I met were far warmer and kind), Italy's kind of in between, depending on the region.

So your opinion and viewpoint trumps that of citizens who grew up in these countries? And trumps that of college professors who lived there and study these nations for a living? Ok...riiiight.

 

There may be a larger emphasis on gender roles in those nations then America...but that still doesnt mean that career isnt important...which is what you were getting at before. So quit making assumptions and acting like an authority on lands that you do not live in.

 

Well I would go to these countries because my grandfather used to work for a beef exporting business and during the summer I would travel with him. I would spend many days in these areas, and because I speak fluent German , Spanish and a decent amount of French, I mingled with the locals when out partying. I wasn't just some fanny pack wearing sight seeing american tourist.

Again, Citizens assessment of their own culture trumps your assessment. You sound like this kid from one of my classes who had to get owned on French culture by one of my friends because he kept acting like an authority on everything. He was quite red in the face in front of the class afterwards.

 

This is the point. Why don't marriage's last forever anymore? Maybe you ought to look into the statistically proven reasons for that, instead of simply having a kneejerk, programmed reaction when people try to explain it to you.

Marriages dont last forever because now people arent forced by societal pressure to stay married. Cheating was rampant by men back in the day, women had no money or their own means to provide for themselves, and it was frowned upon to divorce because of religion. Those are just a few reasons people stayed married. Many folks were unhappy and thats not a way to live.

 

Read this thread....http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showthread.php?t=296497

 

The first page says ALOT about how things were. Yah...marriage was way better back in the old days with those gender roles and pressures to conform

 

I can even tell you about my best friends grandma...who stayed married to a man she didnt love and was unhappy for YEARS. She stayed with him because she felt this pressure that her heritage puts on her not to divorce. They fought all the time too. Slept in different rooms of the house as well. Sounds fun huh?

 

Yes of course the old "U JUST NEED TO GET LAIDDDD" argument. I've banged as many chicks in my life as you have (and most of them were American) so this is really just a particularly pathetic red herring. Because of course, you can't have any criticism at all of the current system without having some underlying sexual reason for it, right?

Yes you may have slept with the same number of chicks as me....but from how you speak now Im pretty sure those situations were very short lived. And lets not forget I only shared the number of women I actually slept with....discounting hookups of varying degrees. Plus I know I have had and still do have more opportunities then you. How do I know this? Because you have told me so...and because your attitude reflects your failure.

 

A guy who is presently successful with women is not the bitter guy you are.

 

And it is a sexual reason...I have seen your posts and that of many guys like you. Guys WOULD NOT be complaining here as much if they were getting laid more. So lets be serious.

I'm not the only one who says there's something wrong with women in America and countries attempting to emulate its system. There are many men who agree with me. I didn't wake up one day and say "I'm going to irrationally dislike the mainstream, cosmopolitan American woman, for no good reason, let me go online and look up reasons so that I can justify my hateful hate".

Yeah...the only men who agree with you are bitter as well. The guys who say that are usually dudes who dont do well. I see them in PUA forums, in the MGTOW community, and on dating sites like these. The thing that you all have in common is your lack of success with females which creates this bitter attitude about women being put in their place.

 

Because god forbid women have more choices for themselves nowadays. How dare they be picky and reject you, when the problem is most dudes throw themselves at any piece of tail they see.

 

Get over it and better yourself.

 

Gym+School/Career+Style=Raised Confidence=Success in all facets of life

Edited December 21, 2011 by kaylan

[kaylan]

And heres a quote from another member in one of your earlier threads. Read it carefully again and learn from it.

 

Also, if you have nothing constructive to contribute to my thread, then please refrain from posting anymore. Im sick of you coming into threads and derailing them with your misinformation and poor attitude

 

 

Yeah Wolf, your as-usual negative rant has its measure of truth. But I must ask you -- do you honestly believe that "what's inside" of you is so fantastic? Because what comes out of your mind on these forums isn't.

 

How long you think you can exist in such a terribly negative place? The world isn't gonna change. Look elsewhere for happiness buddy, cause it sounds like you're too bitter to find happiness with women. Plenty of other things in the world. Just some advice from a fellow bitter rejected man like yourself.

[Wolf18]

And heres a quote from another member in one of your earlier threads. Read it carefully again and learn from it.

 

Also, if you have nothing constructive to contribute to my thread, then please refrain from posting anymore. Im sick of you coming into threads and derailing them with your misinformation and poor attitude[/Quote]

 

 

I'm done with this who can piss farther contest. All you do is attribute reasoning to my posts that is obviously not there, then actually have the nerve to raise your debating trophy up high like you're on the Special Olympics debate team.

 

So yeah I won't "ruin" any of your brilliant Peter Popoff threads. Men who don't want to date cold materialistic NYC career women feel that way just because they're not getting laid (indisputable fact), any 62 year old male can look like a 25 year old powerlifter just by doing pullups and eating asparagus (indisputable fact), and gender is just a "social construct" (indisputable fact).

 

Criticize this new feminist modern woman because you like women who are nurturing and like children enough to raise them, and it's written off as some banality like " U JUST NEED TO GET LAID BROOOOSKI".

 

But perhaps there is a benefit in your attitude. After all, Eunuchs were held in great esteem in the Ottoman Empire.

[kaylan]

I'm done with this who can piss farther contest. All you do is attribute reasoning to my posts that is obviously not there, then actually have the nerve to raise your debating trophy up high like you're on the Special Olympics debate team.

Reasoning that isnt there? Plenty of people have called out your bitter negative attitude before.

 

You obviously are not happy with a womans right to do things differently from archaic gender roles. Whats wrong with debating a viewpoint that stifles someones right to do as they please?

 

So yeah I won't "ruin" any of your brilliant Peter Popoff threads. Men who don't want to date cold materialistic NYC career women feel that way just because they're not getting laid (indisputable fact), any 62 year old male can look like a 25 year old powerlifter just by doing pullups and eating asparagus (indisputable fact), and gender is just a "social construct" (indisputable fact).

Corrections:

a) Guys can choose not to date cold materialistic career women and instead date warm, family minded, career women.

 

b) Any 60 year old male can be in great shape with a good diet and hard work. Some will have better genetics then others and be able to look better.

 

c) Theres a difference between gender and sex. Where would your ideas of gender roles fall for those of the LGBT community. Theyd have no place...hence...social construct. Just like race.

 

 

Criticize this new feminist modern woman because you like women who are nurturing and like children enough to raise them, and it's written off as some banality like " U JUST NEED TO GET LAID BROOOOSKI".

 

But perhaps there is a benefit in your attitude. After all, Eunuchs were held in great esteem in the Ottoman Empire.

You cant lump all women who want to have their own careers and money into one category. Most of them probably never read a thing about feminism and are simply trying to be successful independent people. You mad?

 

Does it bother you that modern women want to take care of their kids and have a career/money of their own? But oh, I forgot...we are the men...so women arent allowed to have money and make their own life choices after marriage...

 

I dont see why you are so insecure about women having the same equal choices as men in regards to career. In this day and age women have much more to benefit from by going to school, getting a good job, and earning their own salary. Especially in todays economy. Plenty of women have helped keep their households afloat because they didnt subscribe to your bs outdated values.

 

A crappy attitude has nothing to do with whether a person stays home or goes to work. Thats their personality in general and there are plenty of stay at home moms with bad attitudes. So I dont buy your reasoning as to why its bad for women to be independent professionals.

 

And lol @ you talking about eunuchs...I would advise you to go that route since you are the one whos admittedly not making use of his penis at the moment.

Edited December 21, 2011 by kaylan