Woggle Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Most men can't stand hot messes and drama queens. We just have a hard time spotting them and when they do reveal themselves we are too intertwined.
thatone Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) The Transformers movies sucked. I agree with whoever said there is not much out there for men except for bro comedies where men act like children or CGI action crap fests. Anybody can program a bunch of explosions on a computer. I have no issue with strong female characters that kick butt. I loved Kill Bill and Tarantino's movie in Grindhouse. Many of the few new music artists I actually are women so I am not against things geared towards women. I just think these vampire movies are corny as hell because they take what was once a bad ass kind of character and turn them into lovestruck wusses. I actually have an aversion to seeing wuss behavior promoted. well in fairness the original dracula was a love story, not a horror story. all of these since are just rehashes of it. it even had the stereotypical female fantasy mentioned here. 3 guys after the slutty/ditsy lucy, one the doctor, one the brawny texan, one the local royalty. meanwhile the ultimate charmer (dracula) is after the plain and average school teacher mina. Edited December 20, 2011 by thatone
Ruby Slippers Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 it even had the stereotypical female fantasy mentioned here. 3 guys after the slutty/ditsy lucy, one the doctor, one the brawny texan, one the local royalty. meanwhile the ultimate charmer (dracula) is after the plain and average school teacher mina. And how many 80s movies are about the prom queen falling for the awkward, desperate nerd over the quarterback? I'd say about half of them.
Negative Nancy Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Most men can't stand hot messes and drama queens. We just have a hard time spotting them and when they do reveal themselves we are too intertwined. the same thing happens to some women when it comes to identifying jerks, but for some reason men here get a free pass for falling for drama queens and women get raked over the coals if they happen to be used by a jerk.
thatone Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 And how many 80s movies are about the prom queen falling for the awkward, desperate nerd over the quarterback? I'd say about half of them. absolutely, i don't disagree with you. and those movies aren't pinnacles of artistic achievement either. in fact someone mentioned transformers, that's exactly what the transformers movies were written to be, awkward nerdy kid getting megan fox. when your audience is 16-19 year old boys, that's what you pitch to them. but we're not defending transformers as deep and intellectual film making. i have all of the alien and predator movies too, and i don't defend them as deep and intellectual either. they are what they are. as someone else said it's women who describe themselves as avid readers but have only read supermarket romance novels, harry potter, and twilight. men don't defend scrawny guys in comic book stores as intellectuals.
ptp Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 the same thing happens to some women when it comes to identifying jerks, but for some reason men here get a free pass for falling for drama queens and women get raked over the coals if they happen to be used by a jerk. What? No they don't. One of my best friends is married to a drama queen and they have tumultuous relationship. Nobody likes her and that has been made clear to him.
ShannonMI Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Yes I am comparing him to that. I saw a film with him recently called "Straw Dogs", him and his character were pretty awesome in that film (I always root for the bad guys) but he's a terrible actor and doesn't have enough of a "bad guy" edge like say, Gary Oldman, despite the fact that he always gets those types of roles. I don't really care if his off screen persona is witty and charming, I'm not his chum or his girlfriend. I bet there are many porn stars who are just as witty and charming (if he even is) or more. Sorry, if he was ugly or 5'7 he wouldn't be famous, they put him on TV so girls will watch it. Loved Straw Dogs. I went specifically to see it because I think Alex Skarsgard is gorgeous. I'm sure that's what sold tickets because there weren't too many famous actors in that movie. And that is PART of the reason women tune in to watch True Blood. The eye candy. The other part is the fact that it's an interesting show with a great story line. It's not all about the hot men and the sex.
serial muse Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 What? No they don't. One of my best friends is married to a drama queen and they have tumultuous relationship. Nobody likes her and that has been made clear to him. I think she was noting that the trope here - on LS - is that women overwhelmingly prefer to date hot jerks and overlook the average-joe nice guys, and there isn't a similar reverse theory about men and hot drama queens, bizarrely.
Negative Nancy Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I think she was noting that the trope here - on LS - is that women overwhelmingly prefer to date hot jerks and overlook the average-joe nice guys, and there isn't a similar reverse theory about men and hot drama queens, bizarrely. thank you, someone who gets it.
serial muse Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 To bring things full circle: The consensus of this thread seems to be that, when it comes to liking the hot eye candy on the TV for hot eye candy's sake, women and men aren't different, and women don't need to call it Shakespeare to enjoy the rippling muscles. So, could that POSSIBLY mean that this similarity extends to other aspects of life - for example, that men and women maybe aren't that different in terms of choosing hot messes over less flashy average joes and janes??? In the words of a late and not-lamented troll: I think so!!!
ThaWholigan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I think she was noting that the trope here - on LS - is that women overwhelmingly prefer to date hot jerks and overlook the average-joe nice guys, and there isn't a similar reverse theory about men and hot drama queens, bizarrely. I dunno, in the short time I've been posting here, there has been an equal amount of complaining from both parties, which kind of sums up the equal amount of dating problems being posted. Everyone's losing out it seems .
serial muse Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I dunno, in the short time I've been posting here, there has been an equal amount of complaining from both parties, which kind of sums up the equal amount of dating problems being posted. Everyone's losing out it seems . Heh, scroll back to November and beyond. It's been a lot less crazy lately though, which is nice.
ThaWholigan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 To bring things full circle: The consensus of this thread seems to be that, when it comes to liking the hot eye candy on the TV for hot eye candy's sake, women and men aren't different, and women don't need to call it Shakespeare to enjoy the rippling muscles. So, could that POSSIBLY mean that this similarity extends to other aspects of life - for example, that men and women maybe aren't that different in terms of choosing hot messes over less flashy average joes and janes??? In the words of a late and not-lamented troll: I think so!!! I think so too! I think it's a lot more complex than that though, but if we whittle down the point, you can say that the more attractive people will always attract more people. The only thing I think is questionable is why is it seen as impossible to become attractive? I see people of both genders do it all the time.
serial muse Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Wow, no sooner had I spoken then this reared its head: http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3778317&postcount=44 This is the sort of thing that Negative Nancy is referring to.
Lonely Ronin Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 The only thing I think is questionable is why is it seen as impossible to become attractive? I see people of both genders do it all the time. I don't get why so many people think this either. The human mind and body are glorious things, a person can achieve almost anything if they want it bad enough.
jobaba Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 And how many 80s movies are about the prom queen falling for the awkward, desperate nerd over the quarterback? I'd say about half of them. As a child of the 80s, where? Sixteen candles - Ringwald ends up with the hottest guy in school and friendzones Anthony Michael Hall, an awkward desperate nerd, who does eventually hook up but it's so unbelievable as to be a joke Breakfast Club - Every guy in detention hooks up except the nice, wimpy nerd Pretty in Pink - Ringwald hooks up with one of hottest, most popular guys in school and friendzones Ducky, a awkward desperate nerd who she has many more common interests with and who has known her for years Some Kind of Wonderful - Eric Stoltz never ends ends up with Lea Thompson
jobaba Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I think so too! I think it's a lot more complex than that though, but if we whittle down the point, you can say that the more attractive people will always attract more people. The only thing I think is questionable is why is it seen as impossible to become attractive? I see people of both genders do it all the time. Oh wow. Easiest Final Jeopardy question of all time... What is ... being shot down and friendzoned by many women over the course of many years, by most if not all of whom are considered average or cute by most men with zero successes during that timeframe ...
ThaWholigan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Oh wow. Easiest Final Jeopardy question of all time... What is ... being shot down and friendzoned by many women over the course of many years, by most if not all of whom are considered average or cute by most men with zero successes during that timeframe ... Well, I get your point, but mine still stands. It's not impossible, and people who think it is do themselves no favors in my opinion.
jobaba Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Well, I get your point, but mine still stands. It's not impossible, and people who think it is do themselves no favors in my opinion. It's not impossible. I've done it. But it is easy to think so after being rejected by so many women, some of which you don't even really like.
Ruby Slippers Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 as someone else said it's women who describe themselves as avid readers but have only read supermarket romance novels, harry potter, and twilight. Well, I'm a smart woman who reads the classics, and books about things like philosophy and the physics of sound. I have zero interest in romance novels, Harry Potter, or Twilight. I love True Blood foremost for the outstanding writing and storytelling. Is some of it stupid and over the top? Yes. It doesn't need to be perfect -- just creative, innovative, smart, and fun, which it is. It's kind of like gourmet cooking on a backyard barbecue plate. If you want to turn up your nose at a storytelling feast because you don't like the cover of the book, fine. It won't hurt my feelings. And as for all the whining about the sexy men, get over it. Sexy women have dominated the airwaves, print, and web for decades. Yep, women like looking at sexy men. Just like men like looking at sexy women. Why is this so shocking and infuriating?
PlumPrincess Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I actually know a guy who likes True Blood although he admits it's a bad tv show (I think he means that it's not something sophisticated like The Wire). He doesn't seem to have trouble attracting women. Maybe that's why he isn't overanalyzing the show too much.
TheBigQuestion Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Well, I'm a smart woman who reads the classics, and books about things like philosophy and the physics of sound. I have zero interest in romance novels, Harry Potter, or Twilight. I love True Blood foremost for the outstanding writing and storytelling. Is some of it stupid and over the top? Yes. It doesn't need to be perfect -- just creative, innovative, smart, and fun, which it is. It's kind of like gourmet cooking on a backyard barbecue plate. If you want to turn up your nose at a storytelling feast because you don't like the cover of the book, fine. It won't hurt my feelings. And as for all the whining about the sexy men, get over it. Sexy women have dominated the airwaves, print, and web for decades. Yep, women like looking at sexy men. Just like men like looking at sexy women. Why is this so shocking and infuriating? I think the point was that the vast majority of people are vapid when it comes to their so-called interests and tastes and tend to vastly overestimate their own sophistication. Being a fan of True Blood tends to coincide with that phenomenon. You may be one of the exceptions. If so, I tip my hat to you. This is nonetheless a tried-and-true LS diversionary tactic. Male Poster: Some/most/majority of women have X and Y qualities, which imply Z. Female poster: WTF? I don't! Good for you, but that wasn't the point. This more or less reminds me of yet another
ThaWholigan Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Well, I'm a smart woman who reads the classics, and books about things like philosophy and the physics of sound. I have zero interest in romance novels, Harry Potter, or Twilight. I love True Blood foremost for the outstanding writing and storytelling. Is some of it stupid and over the top? Yes. It doesn't need to be perfect -- just creative, innovative, smart, and fun, which it is. It's kind of like gourmet cooking on a backyard barbecue plate. If you want to turn up your nose at a storytelling feast because you don't like the cover of the book, fine. It won't hurt my feelings. And as for all the whining about the sexy men, get over it. Sexy women have dominated the airwaves, print, and web for decades. Yep, women like looking at sexy men. Just like men like looking at sexy women. Why is this so shocking and infuriating? It's not bothering to me. I've seen it in my life so many times that it's not a problem, I know full well women like looking at them. A quick trip to tumblr will show you that . Guys just need to learn to become sexy, which they can do I actually know a guy who likes True Blood although he admits it's a bad tv show (I think he means that it's not something sophisticated like The Wire). He doesn't seem to have trouble attracting women. Maybe that's why he isn't overanalyzing the show too much. Guys who don't have trouble with women tend not to overanalyze too much to do with dating. Those who don't have trouble yet DO overanalyze were probably in our position then figured out whats wrong (hence PUA). Honestly, I overanalyze everything as it is, I wish I didn't have to do it with dating anymore, it's boring, I'd rather actually BE dating
Woggle Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 the same thing happens to some women when it comes to identifying jerks, but for some reason men here get a free pass for falling for drama queens and women get raked over the coals if they happen to be used by a jerk. That is because for the most part men don't actively reject good women while complaining there are no good women left.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 21, 2011 Author Posted December 21, 2011 To bring things full circle: The consensus of this thread seems to be that, when it comes to liking the hot eye candy on the TV for hot eye candy's sake, women and men aren't different, and women don't need to call it Shakespeare to enjoy the rippling muscles. So, could that POSSIBLY mean that this similarity extends to other aspects of life - for example, that men and women maybe aren't that different in terms of choosing hot messes over less flashy average joes and janes??? In the words of a late and not-lamented troll: I think so!!! That was obviously my point. The issue is this: men don't pretend any different, while women do, I don't know if they subconsciously think they are any different, or if they just LIE. Women are the ones with the golden ticket between their legs. Women decide who gets to have sex and who doesn't. The apples Negative Nancy and others bring to this thread about oranges in order to garner eternal sympathy for women who usually get what they deserve in dating (whether it's good or bad) , is my issue. Nobody wants to fight your straw men that there aren't men who are hung up on looks, there certainly are and they usually admit it. Women will never, even if you water tortured them. If I had your power, i'd date an amicable plain jane over a "hot mess".
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