TheBigQuestion Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Rape fantasies or not, I always find it hilarious when people try to say that vapid crap like True Blood can somehow pass for quality TV. Reminds me of that one girl I was dating briefly about two years ago. The nail in her coffin was when she mentioned she didn't like the Godfather (not the greatest film ever, but still an insult no matter which way you put it) whilst simultaneously praising Sex and the City and a whole barrage of other utterly worthless film and TV programming. I knew it wouldn't work out after that, and that it was only a matter of time.
ffw Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Rape fantasies or not, I always find it hilarious when people try to say that vapid crap like True Blood can somehow pass for quality TV. Reminds me of that one girl I was dating briefly about two years ago. The nail in her coffin was when she mentioned she didn't like the Godfather (not the greatest film ever, but still an insult no matter which way you put it) whilst simultaneously praising Sex and the City and a whole barrage of other utterly worthless film and TV programming. I knew it wouldn't work out after that, and that it was only a matter of time. You mean you dump her because she has a different taste than most of us.
TheBigQuestion Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 You mean you dump her because she has a different taste than most of us. "Nail in the coffin." Not "absolute sole reason why I kicked her to the curb."
ShannonMI Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 You mean you dump her because she has a different taste than most of us. Yeah not all chicks are into mob movies. I personally love them, but whatever. I think it's pretty lame to dump someone over the type of shows and movies they like:rolleyes:
ShannonMI Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 "Nail in the coffin." Not "absolute sole reason why I kicked her to the curb." But it was the deciding factor. Come on dude. That's kinda lame don't you think?
TheBigQuestion Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 But it was the deciding factor. Come on dude. That's kinda lame don't you think? You'd be surprised how much of a correlation there is between what one likes in terms of art and music and whether they have more than a pair of working brain cells. The girl in question was dumber than a second coat of paint. She initially characterized herself as a "reader." I found out that her literary palate consisted of nothing more than trashy romance novels and Harry Potter. Same with TV, film, music, and whatnot. Basically, there was nothing that separated her from billions of other people who are into the same mind-numbing nonsense. Henry Rollins explains it best.
kaylan Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Real rape is horrible, yes. And it is about power, but also about some douche wanting to get one off as well. But it seems I have to say this in yet another thread...Fantasy and real life are totally different things. Just because someone enjoys a rape fantasy with a partner does not mean they actually want to be raped. I like rough sex and what not myself, but honestly would have have to really be warmed up to the idea of rape role play. However, I am confused if Id be down for that whole role play. Im not sure. But I have had sex with an ex where shed be on top and hold me down and smack me. Fun times.
ShannonMI Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 You'd be surprised how much of a correlation there is between what one likes in terms of art and music and whether they have more than a pair of working brain cells. The girl in question was dumber than a second coat of paint. She initially characterized herself as a "reader." I found out that her literary palate consisted of nothing more than trashy romance novels and Harry Potter. Same with TV, film, music, and whatnot. Basically, there was nothing that separated her from billions of other people who are into the same mind-numbing nonsense. Henry Rollins explains it best. OK well you didn't explain that in your first post. You said she didn't like the Godfather and that was one of the reasons you dumped her. Some women just don't like violent movies. There is nothing wrong with that. But if she was a dumb ass and couldn't keep up with you intellectually, then you were smart to kick her to the curb. No one wants a to date a moron.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 Women's sexuality is a very dark , uncomfortable place by limp wristed modern man standards. Biological reality stands as an anti-pole to what they've been teaching us throughout the 20th century about gender/sex. Every woman, and I mean every woman except 1 woman who was older (they feel like they need to take the reigns ), that I have experienced sexually has wanted to be completely overpowered and complained vehemently about other males who refused to do so or did not have the instinct for it. I welcome such a power structure, as incidently I do like to overpower women (of course I pull away if they say no or get off of me! ), it just feels right for both parties. You can try and go into all these semantics about how its not overpowering if the woman wants to be overpowered, etc, but the simplest explanation in cases like this is always the true one. Statistics will tell you that a much higher propotion of women are signed up to violent bondage/SM porn sites (where btw that hoe James Deen got famous) than they are other websites. In that article Verzhn posted about that dirtbag, My explanation would be that a at-economic-gun-point dissolving of gender roles in society has caused women to hold back their latent desire to be dominated by a male in life (note I said dominated, as in the man governs a house, not abuse, which domination has come to equal abuse precisely because of its sexual connotations), which is pent up but explodes in the bedroom, manifesting itself in strange, borderline sick ways like women liking to get phlegm spit on their face while they suffocate on a massive penis or double penetrated or slapped in the face until they cry like mr James Deen does in his videos. Most women don't want to be raped by a stranger, but that doens't mean they don't want to submit to a man, this is the real female manifestation of love. This female trait is positive in my opinion, but unfortunately can bad as well to the point where eastern european sex slaves escape from human rights "liberators" and run back to their Albanian pimps who they would do anything for despite kidnapping them in the first place.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 Guess I haven't run across that one. *Shrugs* Porn for females isn't a big demographic, the guy's gotta eat, so he's probably starred in other films that don't necessarily cater to women. Him starring in movies that also cater to male audiences doesn't really disprove my point that most females don't want the big muscled, emotionless Adonis. [/Quote] That's strange. When I go out to drink, the guys I see surrounded by girls are always the big muscled, Adonis types. In college parties, the guys who are the center of female attention, look like a bunch of shaved gorillas. Why don't you find and ask one of those "big muscled, emotionless Adonis" if they have any trouble getting dates with the best looking women of all walks of life? Fantasies are weird things. Why do some people get turned on by rubbing balloons against their body, or getting pies in the face? Who knows. For women with rape fantasies, I've heard reasons ranging anywhere from transforming a fear of loss of control into a power trip (rape is partially about the other person controlling you against your will; in a rape-play scenario, the woman stays in control), to downright lust (the guy is so into you he has to have you.) Our erotic imaginations are truly ID-driven, and our fantasies don't necessarily say anything about our actual psychological state. Do you also worry that anyone who doesn't like missionary-style, vanilla sex has some sort of psychological hangup? [/Quote] Fantasies have no saying about our psychological state? So if I sit in my room fantasizing about sweeping the streets of Williamsburg , Brooklyn with an AK47, it says nothing about my psychological state? Perhaps I will never ACTUALLY do such a thing, but at the very least that would show me to not have a very positive opinion of Hipsters I don't think there's anything wrong with women having "rape fantasies" (or rather, fantasies of total submission) at all, I think it's quite natural and a biological impulse for women to have. What I have trouble believing is that this isn't a symptom of a greater latent desire, that isn't necessarily sexual.
lululucy Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 (edited) Most women don't want to be raped by a stranger, but that doens't mean they don't want to submit to a man, this is the real female manifestation of love. This female trait is positive in my opinion, but unfortunately can bad as well to the point where eastern european sex slaves escape from human rights "liberators" and run back to their Albanian pimps who they would do anything for despite kidnapping them in the first place. I won't comment on the second half of the last sentence but otherwise I agree -- I only know two or three women (all really IN YOUR FACE feminists that drive me batsht crazy) who have ever spoken against being dominated by a man in the bedroom. I personally like being thrown around. You'd be surprised how much of a correlation there is between what one likes in terms of art and music and whether they have more than a pair of working brain cells. The girl in question was dumber than a second coat of paint. She initially characterized herself as a "reader." I found out that her literary palate consisted of nothing more than trashy romance novels and Harry Potter. Same with TV, film, music, and whatnot. Basically, there was nothing that separated her from billions of other people who are into the same mind-numbing nonsense. Henry Rollins explains it best. God this video is amazing. While I personally hate Harry Potter being classified as trash (in the same vein as the Narnia series, Inkheart, A Wrinkle in Time, etc etc), I can understand the overwhelming irritation that comes from being unable to have an intellectual conversation with someone. For me it's when people (women) call themselves readers and then list Twilight or Something Borrowed as their favourite books. There's a difference between being dumb and being interested in things that are commonly accepted as popular forms of media. Lumping all fans of a certain genre into one group is pointless and limiting. Edited December 20, 2011 by lululucy
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 Answer me this Lucy.... How come womens brains fuse and stop growing at age 13? When I was around 10-11 I was obsessed with Harry Potter. I was about 13-14 when the 4th book came out, my mother picked it up for me because she assumed I was still into it, I read about half of it and said to myself "Wow, Harry Potter's lame" and started to read grown up books. A girl (who also loved True Blood) I tried to date not long ago who was 20 years old, when you went on her computer she had all the harry potter sites known to man bookmarked and actually lined up outside the theater on opening day when the final Harry Potter movie came out. Entertainment is getting dumber by the minute. The Lord Of the Rings books are fantasy, but enjoyable even for adults, they have a very deep but veiled message about struggle, will-power, ecology, patriotism, etc. Harry Potter...is barely a notch above the Berstein Bears.
lululucy Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Answer me this Lucy.... How come womens brains fuse and stop growing at age 13? When I was around 10-11 I was obsessed with Harry Potter. I was about 13-14 when the 4th book came out, my mother picked it up for me because she assumed I was still into it, I read about half of it and said to myself "Wow, Harry Potter's lame" and started to read grown up books. A girl (who also loved True Blood) I tried to date not long ago who was 20 years old, when you went on her computer she had all the harry potter sites known to man bookmarked and actually lined up outside the theater on opening day when the final Harry Potter movie came out. Entertainment is getting dumber by the minute. The Lord Of the Rings books are fantasy, but enjoyable even for adults, they have a very deep but veiled message about struggle, will-power, ecology, patriotism, etc. Harry Potter...is barely a notch above the Berstein Bears. Have you read Thomas de Zengotita's "Mediated"? In it he provides a close read of Winnie the Pooh and demonstrates that while there is the surface level story of a bear and his little boy, there is another story underneath. He also talks about Potter et al, and you can read the excerpt on google books if that interests you. I don't think someone's inability to grasp underlying themes and currents in a novel speaks to a failure on the novels part. Edit: as for reading "grown up books", I interchanged Harry Potter with Austen and Dickens while I was in junior high -- this is still just a matter of overall intelligence with these women that you guys seem to be finding rather than their personal taste.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 Have you read Thomas de Zengotita's "Mediated"? In it he provides a close read of Winnie the Pooh and demonstrates that while there is the surface level story of a bear and his little boy, there is another story underneath. He also talks about Potter et al, and you can read the excerpt on google books if that interests you. I don't think someone's inability to grasp underlying themes and currents in a novel speaks to a failure on the novels part. Edit: as for reading "grown up books", I interchanged Harry Potter with Austen and Dickens while I was in junior high -- this is still just a matter of overall intelligence with these women that you guys seem to be finding rather than their personal taste. Winnie the Pooh is actually great for kids, it has great subtleness for kids to grasp. What makes a book great? The subtleness of the plot. There is a difference however, between a subtle plot and reading into something. Imagine my disgust when I could barely find 1 book about Bushido at the Barnes and Nobles philosophy section, but a thousand retarded "Philosophy Of the Matrix" and "Philosophy of Spiderman" type of books I was so enraged that I just lifted the book I read the excerpt, and Harry Potter does have a message (which is overt, btw) most of them are disgusting parroting of modernity and abstraction that kids already get brainwashed with in school. Perhaps a message in and of itself is incorrect to say Harry Potter is lacking in, what I meant is that Harry Potter has no values , or atleast not values that are subtley and brilliantly woven into the plot like in Lord Of The Rings . Of course when Harry Potter mania is dying down, JK Rowling will come out and say something idiotic like Dumbledore is a homosexual despite the books not talking about that at all, but that is just tacked on after the fact. Popular messages the masses of people want to hear (breads and circuses) vs subtle values and statements reflecting society (civilization) is an eternal struggle in culture.
Content Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Women's sexuality is a very dark , uncomfortable place by limp wristed modern man standards. Biological reality stands as an anti-pole to what they've been teaching us throughout the 20th century about gender/sex. Every woman, and I mean every woman except 1 woman who was older (they feel like they need to take the reigns ), that I have experienced sexually has wanted to be completely overpowered and complained vehemently about other males who refused to do so or did not have the instinct for it. I welcome such a power structure, as incidently I do like to overpower women (of course I pull away if they say no or get off of me! ), it just feels right for both parties. You can try and go into all these semantics about how its not overpowering if the woman wants to be overpowered, etc, but the simplest explanation in cases like this is always the true one. Statistics will tell you that a much higher propotion of women are signed up to violent bondage/SM porn sites (where btw that hoe James Deen got famous) than they are other websites. In that article Verzhn posted about that dirtbag, My explanation would be that a at-economic-gun-point dissolving of gender roles in society has caused women to hold back their latent desire to be dominated by a male in life (note I said dominated, as in the man governs a house, not abuse, which domination has come to equal abuse precisely because of its sexual connotations), which is pent up but explodes in the bedroom, manifesting itself in strange, borderline sick ways like women liking to get phlegm spit on their face while they suffocate on a massive penis or double penetrated or slapped in the face until they cry like mr James Deen does in his videos. Most women don't want to be raped by a stranger, but that doens't mean they don't want to submit to a man, this is the real female manifestation of love. This female trait is positive in my opinion, but unfortunately can bad as well to the point where eastern european sex slaves escape from human rights "liberators" and run back to their Albanian pimps who they would do anything for despite kidnapping them in the first place. I would agree,women like to be dominated,its what the "nice guy" doesnt understand Women dotn want to be equals they want to look up to a man and feel vulenrable overpowerd etc they want a daddy figure except with also sex involved Its why every relationship where a women feels the man is not better then her in some area shell leave Women cant voice that opinion nowadays so the bedroom is one place where they can be dominated and taken
dasein Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Thread starting to annoy when some of the few good things about recent culture ("The Godfather," brilliant C.S. Lewis, brilliant L'Engel, Tolkien) get mentioned in the same breath as vapid TrueBlood and the wretched Potter. Potter, Trueblood, Twilight, so much of the dreck, has the common thread of "being special just because," in tune with modern "everyone a winner" crap. The hero/heroine doesn't have to actually do too much because their competence/power comes from them "just being 'Lion Kingly' silver spoon special." Potter sits around and gets fawned on for the most part, a natural, just like every overprivileged kid texting on an Iphone daddy bought while screaming about "the man" at an Occupy rally. The difference between quality and crud is the difference between a real challenge Huck Finn style and solipsistic self-absorption Sookie/Snooki style.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 Thread starting to annoy when some of the few good things about recent culture ("The Godfather," brilliant C.S. Lewis, brilliant L'Engel, Tolkien) get mentioned in the same breath as vapid TrueBlood and the wretched Potter. Potter, Trueblood, Twilight, so much of the dreck, has the common thread of "being special just because," in tune with modern "everyone a winner" crap. The hero/heroine doesn't have to actually do too much because their competence/power comes from them "just being 'Lion Kingly' silver spoon special." Potter sits around and gets fawned on for the most part, a natural, just like every overprivileged kid texting on an Iphone daddy bought while screaming about "the man" at an Occupy rally. The difference between quality and crud is the difference between a real challenge Huck Finn style and solipsistic self-absorption Sookie/Snooki style. No two ways about it. This is what happens when culture becomes about profit instead of transcendance, when comfort is emphasized over struggle (which strengthens the soul). Nuke the masses
Ruby Slippers Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Because most of it is trash, I'm a snob about TV and only watch a single current show -- and True Blood is it. Alan Ball, the show's creator and primary writer, is an acclaimed screenwriter who deserves the accolades. This show is campy and over the top, but the storytelling is top-notch. Sure, it's sexy and has a good amount of sex and innuendo in it. But to compare it to porn is a bit silly. It's certainly never inspired me to masturbate. It has inspired me to go review classical mythology. Yes, it plays to female fantasy. It also plays to male fantasy, gay male fantasy, and even a little lesbian fantasy. Because it's a fantasy show, about fantasy creatures mingling with humans.
dasein Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 This show is campy and over the top, but the storytelling is top-notch. No, it's just not. Campy isn't "silly." There are whole vast fields full of camp material involving Southern gothic chiller/thriller fare ripe for the taking, yet Ball plows none of those fields. The best part of the show is the opening montage (provided it's the same one I saw), which was done by people with much more talent and camp sensibility than the actual writers. The show should have a Cramps/Southern Culture on the Skids/Thrill Kill Kult/Lords of Acid type soundtrack and vibe, Bill Paxton doing the over the top (Aliens 2) vampire hunting ("Game Over!") or his vamp from "Near Dark (come to think of it, an extended version of Near Dark is what this show should be). Tons of Screaming Jay Hawkins type Hoodoovoodoo. The softcore porn elements could stay the same, just be more seedy and lurid (Bettie Page), lots of torn stockings, smeared lipstick, black light, gallons of Hershel Gordon blood, with a cast of extras, lots of trannies, transported straight from the LES down to the bayou. Channel the wiki page for William Castle (pick literally ANY of his movies) and raise Vincent Price from the dead somehow. THAT would be campy.
dasein Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Or you know what, just drop the vapid Sookie storyline and pay Sam Raimi to come in and rewrite the whole thing, problem solved.
dasein Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 Oh yeah, one more thing, make the whole show take place in a gigantic trailer park across the road from a Walmart, a Waffle House and a Bass Pro Shop superstore. Let the fangbangers kidnap proles from the stores to feed the vamps.
Ruby Slippers Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 I like your rendition. But you're talking about things that have already been done before. One of the coolest things about Alan Ball as a writer is that he dramatizes stories in wildly imaginative ways that have never been done on TV (thanks largely, I believe, to his theater background). He also created and was primary writer for Six Feet Under, one of the most acclaimed and groundbreaking shows in TV history. That show was a little ahead of its time, and so is True Blood. (Ball also wrote American Beauty, a striking film which many critics considered the best of 1999, and which won numerous Academy Awards, including Best Picture and Best Original Screenplay.) But it's OK if you hate it. It doesn't make me love it any less.
Woggle Posted December 20, 2011 Posted December 20, 2011 If people want to see some cool vampires rent the Lost Boys. Must they make everything emo and emasculated?
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 LOL Ruby Slippers wouldn't watch True Blood if it was Steve Buscemi (whose actually an amazing actor) and Dan Akroyd (he sucks but he's ugly and I want to make a point) were shirtless and ****ing everything that walks. Even if the guys weren't as ugly as that, but just 2 normal "boys next door" sans the 8 pack or CGI biceps who were running around brutally raping women, that show would've been off the air after the first episode.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 20, 2011 Author Posted December 20, 2011 If people want to see some cool vampires rent the Lost Boys. Must they make everything emo and emasculated? I agree. The Lost Boys isn't even some Stallone anti-woman movie either, it has elements that can appeal to both sexes. Ditto for other movies like Heathers, which some might consider a chick flick but it's certainly not. Now everythings geared specifically towards women. The few non-action movies they gear towards men are nauseating judd apatow nerdism where the main characters are all penis-fixated germophobic freaks instead of like the simple boys who love each other in the Outsiders or the hell raising Drooges from A Clockwork Orange.
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