AD1980 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 But you're only looking at them because you think they're NOT beautiful enough to get the super attractive man. You're only looking at them because you think, of yourself, that you're not attractive enough to get someone you consider hot. Most women actually don't necessarily want a beautiful man. They want what he represents.... That someone special (someone with options and choices) would choose them. Women want to be wanted. They want to be desired, they want their partner to think they are drop-dead sexy. They want to feel special. Yeah, you're looking at them... but you're not making them feel special. You're making them feel "settled for." That you're picking them because you think you don't have options, because you think "Hey they're too unattractive to get men they consider handsome, they'll go for me!" By having such a low expectation of yourself, you're actually INSULTING these women, and driving them further away. Men also want to be wanted you make it seem like it's all about the women and her wants and desires I also call bs on you saying women can see through somedude and reject him because they can read his mind if womens inutution was so spot on you wouldn't have so many forums filled with women easily maniupulated by guys with looks and charm to later be burned I suspect if somedude was a very good looking guy theyd soemhow fail to "see through him" and hed get more dates
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I think you find most normal guys want this as well, I know I do. I want someone who wants me, not someone who is settling for or needs me. Or someone who secretly wishes you would turn into Eric Northman:rolleyes: Or imagines she's f*cking Eric when she's f*cking you. No good!!
allina Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Most women know that most men don't all look like this: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq08myF8Ar1qffvbp.jpg http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Alexander-Skarsg-rd-alexander-skarsgard-13780729-900-1222.jpg And if the average girl is dumb enough to think she's going to land guys like this, she will be single forever. No not most men, but lets not pretend that men that fit are impossible to find. I have actually never seen True Blood but that guy looks like a handful of guys in my yoga class.
verhrzn Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Men also want to be wanted you make it seem like it's all about the women and her wants and desires I also call bs on you saying women can see through somedude and reject him because they can read his mind if womens inutution was so spot on you wouldn't have so many forums filled with women easily maniupulated by guys with looks and charm to later be burned I suspect if somedude was a very good looking guy theyd soemhow fail to "see through him" and hed get more dates I'm only referencing women's needs because the tone of this thread has shifted to (yet again) women are shallow and only want hot dudes. I completely agree men want to be wanted as well. I've gotten into arguments with desperate guys on this forum who say they would LOVE to be "settled for," and how I think that's an absolutely horrible mindset to have. I think men and women both need to have realistic standards about who they're looking for, but at the same time, I really don't want anyone to switch their mindset to," I can't get the hot girl/guy, so I'll take the ugly one I'm barely into but who will date me." Settling in that sense helps no one. Just because women can be manipulated doesn't mean they lack any intuition. I'm awful at reading people, but I can see desperation a mile away. In guys like somedude, it's barely concealed-his low opinion of himself (and thus the women he decides to pursue) is all right there on the surface. Women get manipulated by players because the guys are experts at covering their emotional tracks. Desperate guys are not. Plus, I think women get manipulated by good looking guys NOT because the guy is good looking, but because he's giving them that "I have options, and thus am a prize, and can make you feel special" feeling. Good looks CAN be a prize, but a guy can easily give off that impression that his money, or his charm, or his humor, or his intelligence, are what makes him a prize. Somedude's looks are not the problem... his desperation is.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 No not most men, but lets not pretend that men that fit are impossible to find. I have actually never seen True Blood but that guy looks like a handful of guys in my yoga class. Damn girl where do you live? Hahahahahahaha maybe I should move:lmao:
ThaWholigan Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Do you know what Alex Skarsgard looks like? He's like a Swedish God. There are hardly ANY men that look like that. These women that you boys are trying to date sound like a bunch of delusional teeny boppers. Most women know that most men don't all look like this: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq08myF8Ar1qffvbp.jpg http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Alexander-Skarsg-rd-alexander-skarsgard-13780729-900-1222.jpg And if the average girl is dumb enough to think she's going to land guys like this, she will be single forever. Meh. I've seen lots of white guys in London that look like that dude . ------------------------------------------- On topic...... I think that the differences are incredibly subtle. I've watched True Blood. I think it's a load of ass (except the black girl, I always liked her). But there is no doubt that watching it gives you a small insight into the animal side of sexual attraction with regards to women. For that reason, I found it fascinating to watch. The Rocco reference was strangely accurate, it's like a female equivalent. The sex scenes in it are funny. Female porn is much more focused on female desires obviously, that's why it's interesting to watch, and closely. Basic porn is exactly what it says on the tin, which at the end of the day, is man's base desire. In my opinion, to denounce this is to misunderstand male sexuality and what we at our core find sexually arousing. What women find attractive is not exactly the looks of these guys, it is their aura, how they carry themselves that compliment how they look so well. Agree with whoever said that women like men with options. This is true. It's not that they want to be with a player per se. It is basically that they want to feel like they have earned the desire of a man of strong character, as opposed to a man of desperation. This is not a new phenomenon, nor is it limited to sex and dating. Desperation is universally despised. Men do want to feel wanted also, but the way we want to be wanted is a little different. Hence, porn. Before I even started watching porn, my base desires pretty much mirrored porn. It was only after I got older, that part of my desire was the desire to get a woman off, so it's mutual. That's another thread though. Basically, our difference are subtle, yet easily misunderstood. It's all very well saying that we need to further understand female sexuality and attraction. But there is a misunderstanding of male sexuality in my opinion, and it is often downplayed.
allina Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Damn girl where do you live? Hahahahahahaha maybe I should move:lmao: Haha! Ok I should have mentioned that these guys are mostly gay but still nice to look at :laugh: But I have noticed that this type of "hyper-fitness" is becoming more common around here.
ThaWholigan Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I'm only referencing women's needs because the tone of this thread has shifted to (yet again) women are shallow and only want hot dudes. I completely agree men want to be wanted as well. I've gotten into arguments with desperate guys on this forum who say they would LOVE to be "settled for," and how I think that's an absolutely horrible mindset to have. I think men and women both need to have realistic standards about who they're looking for, but at the same time, I really don't want anyone to switch their mindset to," I can't get the hot girl/guy, so I'll take the ugly one I'm barely into but who will date me." Settling in that sense helps no one. Just because women can be manipulated doesn't mean they lack any intuition. I'm awful at reading people, but I can see desperation a mile away. In guys like somedude, it's barely concealed-his low opinion of himself (and thus the women he decides to pursue) is all right there on the surface. Women get manipulated by players because the guys are experts at covering their emotional tracks. Desperate guys are not. Plus, I think women get manipulated by good looking guys NOT because the guy is good looking, but because he's giving them that "I have options, and thus am a prize, and can make you feel special" feeling. Good looks CAN be a prize, but a guy can easily give off that impression that his money, or his charm, or his humor, or his intelligence, are what makes him a prize. Somedude's looks are not the problem... his desperation is. Agree with this whole post. I'd add more but I don't need to....
Lonely Ronin Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) Or someone who secretly wishes you would turn into Eric Northman:rolleyes: Or imagines she's f*cking Eric when she's f*cking you. No good!! Well, the only name I've ever heard in bedroom is mine. I have had some encounters though that made my back look like a scene from true blood. Long nails are such a killer. Edited December 17, 2011 by Lonely Ronin
Nexus One Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Wolf are you being serious or do you really think that women liking a particular movie devalues them?
PJKino Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 But you're only looking at them because you think they're NOT beautiful enough to get the super attractive man. You're only looking at them because you think, of yourself, that you're not attractive enough to get someone you consider hot. Most women actually don't necessarily want a beautiful man. They want what he represents.... That someone special (someone with options and choices) would choose them. Women want to be wanted. They want to be desired, they want their partner to think they are drop-dead sexy. They want to feel special. Yeah, you're looking at them... but you're not making them feel special. You're making them feel "settled for." That you're picking them because you think you don't have options, because you think "Hey they're too unattractive to get men they consider handsome, they'll go for me!" By having such a low expectation of yourself, you're actually INSULTING these women, and driving them further away. Undesirable Men cant win, if we hit on cute girls are standards are too high if we hit on plainer girls its only because we feel we cant do better
Author Wolf18 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Posted December 17, 2011 So True Blood isn't just really rough softcore porn just because there are small intervals of plot? And yes Verzhn, I'm sure it's the "charisma" of the male characters on that TV show that really gets women going . Next week one of my coworkers is having a bachelor party at some fancy strip joint that is known for its hot women, I think I'm going to tell myself that the reason they chose that place is because the girls that work there have really nice smiles and they're really confident. See, men aren't shallow either! And no, I don't think it devalues women to find such things appealing, I already knew it did. I think it's just what happens when you have democracy and homosexuals+women combined make up the majority. Warriors should rule the earth. I can't believe someone would dare to compare shameless smut like True Blood to actual Greek mythology.
snug.bunny Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I've never watched the show, so I can't really comment... It sounds a bit "beastly". A man who takes charge sexually can be attractive, so is a less sexually aggressive man who is more so submissive. But rape scenarios and wild orgies, don't really do it for me. I usually go to the "romantic/erotic" category, when/if I view sexy time material (think of ErosExotica). So, I would say some women ARE different from men, in terms of what motivates them sexually. But I will admit, I can only look at it if both people are attractive. If that makes me vain/shallow, then I **raises hand**. If some men are the same, then I guess we really aren't so different, in that sense.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Posted December 17, 2011 Verzhn is always talking about how unfair the world is to her because men don't get on one knee and Tebow every time she is in their presence Yet here she is, lusting over some swedish male model and some subhuman porn star I've seen hocking loogies in womens mouths and has got nothing going for him on any level except that he's packing 10 inches. Oh but it's not the same as men, it's how they look at the camera!
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 So True Blood isn't just really rough softcore porn just because there are small intervals of plot? And yes Verzhn, I'm sure it's the "charisma" of the male characters on that TV show that really gets women going . Next week one of my coworkers is having a bachelor party at some fancy strip joint that is known for its hot women, I think I'm going to tell myself that the reason they chose that place is because the girls that work there have really nice smiles and they're really confident. See, men aren't shallow either! And no, I don't think it devalues women to find such things appealing, I already knew it did. I think it's just what happens when you have democracy and homosexuals+women combined make up the majority. Warriors should rule the earth. I can't believe someone would dare to compare shameless smut like True Blood to actual Greek mythology. There is more plot to True Blood then you think. You watched what? Two episodes? There are 4 seasons of this show. So that's like 48 episodes. It's not all smut. Yes it's a bit raunchy, but it's good stuff. Go rent season 1 and report back. I'm sure you'll be hooked or if not, at least somewhat interested in it.
youngskywalker Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 ...because men don't get on one knee and Tebow every time she is in their presence LMFAO... that was really good.
youngskywalker Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 It's not all smut. Yes it's a bit raunchy, but it's good stuff. So is the porn that I look at on the internet. What is your point?
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Haha! Ok I should have mentioned that these guys are mostly gay but still nice to look at :laugh: But I have noticed that this type of "hyper-fitness" is becoming more common around here. Ok now I see where you're from. San Fran is the gay capital of the world. So yeah they are most likely gay. Not surprising. Gay guys are some of the hottest men out there. Too bad for us ladies. Oh well.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 So is the porn that I look at on the internet. What is your point? It has a PLOT unlike porn and there aren't close ups of genitalia. Actually there is no genitalia at all. Just some T and A. Porn is about blow jobs and f*cking and that's about it. It's boring!!!!
ThaWholigan Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Ok now I see where you're from. San Fran is the gay capital of the world. So yeah they are most likely gay. Not surprising. Gay guys are some of the hottest men out there. Too bad for us ladies. Oh well. I find that homosexuals and indeed metrosexuals have a greater understanding of looking attractive to both genders. I'm not a big fan of the super gay clothes though like the really skinny jeans and stuff, but I know lots of girls who like guys wearing that stuff lol. The majority of the people I encounter in my personal life are largely homophobic so I tend to keep quiet on my observations of gay men, but they generally have greater fashion sense and take grooming more seriously than a lot of guys. Personally, it's all about striking a balance, you don't want to look too neat IMO.
ThaWholigan Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 It has a PLOT unlike porn and there aren't close ups of genitalia. Actually there is no genitalia at all. Just some T and A. Porn is about blow jobs and f*cking and that's about it. It's boring!!!! Because men don't give a F*** about the plot, we just want the sex
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I find that homosexuals and indeed metrosexuals have a greater understanding of looking attractive to both genders. I'm not a big fan of the super gay clothes though like the really skinny jeans and stuff, but I know lots of girls who like guys wearing that stuff lol. The majority of the people I encounter in my personal life are largely homophobic so I tend to keep quiet on my observations of gay men, but they generally have greater fashion sense and take grooming more seriously than a lot of guys. Personally, it's all about striking a balance, you don't want to look too neat IMO. Gay men groom and know how to dress. I have a few gay guy friends and they are more fashion savvy then any female I know. I love that about them. Grooming should be done by ALL men regardless of sexual orientation. Have a nice clean haircut, if you have facial hair, make sure it's neat and trimmed and PLEASE MANSCAPE!!! Most girls don't like an Amazon forest around your junk.
Author Wolf18 Posted December 17, 2011 Author Posted December 17, 2011 Hey Shannon, the typical "skinnemax" soft core porno I would turn on in secret when I was 12 has as much plot as True Blood or more, it was also just as graphic, are you going to argue that isn't porn either? It doesn't have to be gonzo porn with close ups on penetration for something to be pornographic. Sorry, women watch porn too, period. They just don't market it as porn. Just because women only watch porn if it has the 2% best looking males on the planet and they shape shift into werewolves and demons when they gangrape women, doesn't mean it's any less filthy than Max Hardcore's resume.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Because men don't give a F*** about the plot, we just want the sex And that right there is the difference between men and women. At least in regards to what we find entertaining. We enjoy a nice plot with some sex and satire sprinkled in and men like SEX, SEX and more SEX!!!
ThaWholigan Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Gay men groom and know how to dress. I have a few gay guy friends and they are more fashion savvy then any female I know. I love that about them. Grooming should be done by ALL men regardless of sexual orientation. Have a nice clean haircut, if you have facial hair, make sure it's neat and trimmed and PLEASE MANSCAPE!!! Most girls don't like an Amazon forest around your junk. I agree. The very fact that being fashion savvy and extremely well-groomed is perceived as gay by quite a few men is precisely why a lot of men don't do it.
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