Wolf18 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Today I saw a few random episodes of the wildly popular vampire "21st century" soap opera "True Blood", out of curiousity to see what it is about it that women love and always lustfully talk about amongst themselves. I was shocked at what I found. Take the filthiest, most degrading hour long Rocco Siffredi porn, subtract the "gonzo" element, and add about 15 minutes of cheesy unbearable dialogue ...and URETHRA, you have porn for women. Things I saw in a mere 3 episodes (skipping through) : beastiality, monsters raping women (AND men), wild orgies, and a wide variety of extreme S&M. Some of the stuff on this TV show pales in comparison to the vast majority of porn men watch in terms of how deranged it is. I enjoy roughness, and obviously know that the man is dominant in a sexual relationship, but some of the stuff on this TV show is even too much for me. The fact that it doesn't bother the millions of women that made this show a hit shows that in effect, women are as or more sick and perverted as men are, hypocritically so. Oh yeah and 2 male models fighting each other for the love of some plain jane whose probably at best in my league (), makes me laugh at the girls here who fear porn gives their boyfriends "unrealistic" standards for women . Now that I think of it this stupid show actually ruined my chances with a girl I liked becuse she became obsessed with the swedish model that plays the evil vampire, so now shes only looking to date males who as much like him as possible:laugh: While i myself think pornography as a whole is trash, making porn actors wear plastic fangs doesn't make it any better. No woman who watches this TV show has any right to say a word about pornography, what so ever, if anything watching it should be as shameful and secretive as the proverbial perverted-man-in-trenchcoat-and-hat who frequents porno shops and comes out with a brown paper bag full of simulated rape and beastiality stuff.
youngskywalker Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Actually, when all is said and done, I think women are worse. I grew up being taught that men are the evil ones driven by sex and power. Then I had my taste at the real world of dating and watching other couples. Women are the ones who are more power hungry and manipulative. Some learn to use their vaginas to get an edge in the world. Men are simple, we just need to empty our nuts no matter when course we take. Women on the other hand use sex for power. Men don't (can't) use their penis for power and money. Now all that is a generalization- and a wise man can easily steer clear of that kind of woman. It took me awhile and a few hard knocks to learn but eventually I saw the light and now I avoid the evil women. I think your question was "are women just as involved in porn as men"? Well yes and no. It depends on how you define porn. A man will look at nude pictures on the internet and be ostracized for it but a woman can read a steamy romance novel and put all the same thoughts in her head but that's ok. You decide.
PlumPrincess Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 True Blood is a romantic story with a lot of sex and fantasy elements (ever read Greek mythology?). Porn is just sex.
Taramere Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Vampires have been part of folklore for a long, long time...and the popular vampire stories of the day tend to reflect social mores. I'm not particularly interested in the genre for its own sake, but I do think there are psychological elements surrounding its popularity that are very interesting. At the moment it seems to be an artform that is popular predominantly with young women and men who fall into the "emo" category. Maybe in the case of the male fans, in a lot of cases they gravitate towards being gay....and I would certainly see parallels between this kind of vampire porn and rough gonzo porn. I'd speculate that many women feel threatened by and are dissociated from, the increasing popularity of violent porn. Maybe this vampire porn stuff (I realise it's not officially labelled as porn) is a response to it. Some effort, on behalf of (particularly young) women to form a sort of connection to sex as it's depicted by BDSM and gonzo porn...but to raise their status within it. So if the ultimate "top" or alphacreature would be the vampire...who preys on men and women alike, inspiring the romantic love of that alphacreature (or becoming one, as in the case of female vampires) would be a form of regaining status and a sense of power in that type of social order.
Taramere Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Women on the other hand use sex for power. Men don't (can't) use their penis for power and money. Men do use their penises for power. I'm not in the camp that says rape has everything to do with power and nothing to do with sex. I think it is linked to both. Whether a man is raping a woman or another man, there are elements in both of establishing power over the other person.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Today I saw a few random episodes of the wildly popular vampire "21st century" soap opera "True Blood", out of curiousity to see what it is about it that women love and always lustfully talk about amongst themselves. I was shocked at what I found. Take the filthiest, most degrading hour long Rocco Siffredi porn, subtract the "gonzo" element, and add about 15 minutes of cheesy unbearable dialogue ...and URETHRA, you have porn for women. Things I saw in a mere 3 episodes (skipping through) : beastiality, monsters raping women (AND men), wild orgies, and a wide variety of extreme S&M. Some of the stuff on this TV show pales in comparison to the vast majority of porn men watch in terms of how deranged it is. I enjoy roughness, and obviously know that the man is dominant in a sexual relationship, but some of the stuff on this TV show is even too much for me. The fact that it doesn't bother the millions of women that made this show a hit shows that in effect, women are as or more sick and perverted as men are, hypocritically so. Oh yeah and 2 male models fighting each other for the love of some plain jane whose probably at best in my league (), makes me laugh at the girls here who fear porn gives their boyfriends "unrealistic" standards for women . Now that I think of it this stupid show actually ruined my chances with a girl I liked becuse she became obsessed with the swedish model that plays the evil vampire, so now shes only looking to date males who as much like him as possible:laugh: While i myself think pornography as a whole is trash, making porn actors wear plastic fangs doesn't make it any better. No woman who watches this TV show has any right to say a word about pornography, what so ever, if anything watching it should be as shameful and secretive as the proverbial perverted-man-in-trenchcoat-and-hat who frequents porno shops and comes out with a brown paper bag full of simulated rape and beastiality stuff. Hahahahahaha True Blood is some good sh*t. Yes it's very racy, but the story line is good. That's why us women love it. And of course the incredibly hot men that star on the show make us tune in as well. :love:Porn has zero story line. It's all about pussy, dick, blow jobs and sex. YAWN:rolleyes: That's why men love it. They don't have to focus on a plot or really think about anything other then what their eyes see. They can just stare at the computer or TV and jack off. True Blood, while very racy, is NOT porn. They show tits and ass and simulated sex. Big deal. And this girl ditched you because you didn't look like Alex Sarsgard? Is she a moron? Not all men are male models and girls that have ridiculous standards like that will never be able to find a man. Period. I am in love with the werewolf, Alcide on that show. He is the most ripped, hottest piece of man meat I have ever beheld. Do I compare normal guys to him? No. Do I discount and discard men that don't look like him? No. That would be stupid. Be glad this girl ditched you, Wolfie. She sounds like a complete IDIOT!!
lululucy Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Now that I think of it this stupid show actually ruined my chances with a girl I liked becuse she became obsessed with the swedish model that plays the evil vampire, so now shes only looking to date males who as much like him as possible:laugh: I'm going to pretend my homepage isn't an Alexander Skarsgard fanpage... I freaking love true blood. I do agree with you, the two of them fighting over Sookie is annoying but I think the whole point is that they're tired of perfection and they want something more human. What's more human than an average looking girl with weird teeth? Oh yeah and there's the magic blood part. Of course women think about sex ! What PlumPrincess said is kind of indicative of how a lot of women justify saying they don't like porn -- this has a plot and developed characters.. but it's still sexy. Personally, I think real porn gets more annoying the more plot/character is introduced. Those girls CANNOT act.
Woggle Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 No they aren't. There are so many examples of female porn but they rail on men for looking at stuff that stimulates us.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I'm going to pretend my homepage isn't an Alexander Skarsgard fanpage... I freaking love true blood. I do agree with you, the two of them fighting over Sookie is annoying but I think the whole point is that they're tired of perfection and they want something more human. What's more human than an average looking girl with weird teeth? Oh yeah and there's the magic blood part. Of course women think about sex ! What PlumPrincess said is kind of indicative of how a lot of women justify saying they don't like porn -- this has a plot and developed characters.. but it's still sexy. Personally, I think real porn gets more annoying the more plot/character is introduced. Those girls CANNOT act. Sookie is so ugly. I'm sorry hahahahahahaha and they desire her because she's human but "different". She's a fairy and vamps love fairies. At least on the show they do because drinking her blood makes them immune to the sun. For a short time that is. Wolf is probably rolling his eyes as he's reading this saying "why do these women watch such ridiculous sh*t?" True blood is a hip show, with a great story line and it pushes boundaries. That's why it's so popular. I love it.:love: Real porn is BORING. Once you've seen one porno, you've seen them all. I watch my fair share of it when I'm horny, but I grow tired of it pretty quickly. The people that are addicted to it really need to get out more. It's literally the same sh*t over and over again. There are different types like lesbians, rape, animals or feces porn, but if you aren't into any of that, it's the same sh*t. Gets really redundant after awhile, I would think.
lululucy Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Sookie is so ugly. I'm sorry hahahahahahaha and they desire her because she's human but "different". She's a fairy and vamps love fairies. At least on the show they do because drinking her blood makes them immune to the sun. For a short time that is. Wolf is probably rolling his eyes as he's reading this saying "why do these women watch such ridiculous sh*t?" True blood is a hip show, with a great story line and it pushes boundaries. That's why it's so popular. I love it.:love: Real porn is BORING. Once you've seen one porno, you've seen them all. I watch my fair share of it when I'm horny, but I grow tired of it pretty quickly. The people that are addicted to it really need to get out more. It's literally the same sh*t over and over again. There are different types like lesbians, rape, animals or feces porn, but if you aren't into any of that, it's the same sh*t. Gets really redundant after awhile, I would think. Legit -- ALTHOUGH she looked decent in that one scene where she had the fantasy with Eric and Bill. One scene in four seasons... hahaha I have to support Anna Paquin though because she was born in my hometown And I still don't understand why Alcide likes her since he shouldn't give half a sht about fey blood. And yeah, porn is pretty bland. Different girls, different scenes, pretty much all the same. It's good for one thing though.. haha
Woggle Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 At least porn is honest about what it is. I bet women wouldn't care one bit about these vampie movies if they featured average guys.
Dust Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Bottom line women like power. If you and your band of pirate vampires came into town burned everything down and carried her tied up to your ship to wisk her away to your secret treasure island hide out for crazy sex she'd be scared but wet as fck at the same time. Write some lame story/show about a guy who's always checking to see if she's having a good time and isn't about to lose control and go animal to use her up and you'd have nothing for them to get all wet and bothered about.
joystickd Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 LMAO!!! The Rocco Siffredi reference was funny as hell because its so true.
jobaba Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Bottom line women like power. If you and your band of pirate vampires came into town burned everything down and carried her tied up to your ship to wisk her away to your secret treasure island hide out for crazy sex she'd be scared but wet as fck at the same time. Hahaha. I almost bought into it, but if that were true, then women would actually enjoy being raped.
somedude81 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 And this girl ditched you because you didn't look like Alex Sarsgard? Is she a moron? Not all men are male models and girls that have ridiculous standards like that will never be able to find a man. Period. I am in love with the werewolf, Alcide on that show. He is the most ripped, hottest piece of man meat I have ever beheld. Do I compare normal guys to him? No. Do I discount and discard men that don't look like him? No. That would be stupid. Be glad this girl ditched you, Wolfie. She sounds like a complete IDIOT!! And yet many women I've encountered are like that. They've got their head stuck in fantasy land and real men aren't good enough. The most recent girl I had a crush on was holding out for Solid Snake Men don't do that. They don't save themselves for a fantasy.
Dust Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Hahaha. I almost bought into it, but if that were true, then women would actually enjoy being raped. Women do/have/ and would enjoy getting raped in very specific situations. If you were some imortal bad ass it would take an army to stop yes getting taken by you would be kind of hot. If you're some loser who used the date rape drug or took advantage of her in some other trick like hiding in the bushes... If you're the big bad wolf whose capable of huffing and puffing and blowing down there house just to eat them they'll get impressed and turned on thats all I'm saying. This in by no means is me endorsing rape or saying women who got raped asked for it or wanted it. What I am saying is there is a very romantic element about the bad as man who wants his way with women.
verhrzn Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 At least porn is honest about what it is. I bet women wouldn't care one bit about these vampie movies if they featured average guys. Depends on what your definition of "average" is. I've said it before, time and again.... women are kinda weird in their attraction. The type of guy men assume women like, physically, is very rarely what women actually like. Is Alexander Skarsgard an angelic hunk of a man? Yes. But the attraction women feel for his character has a lot more to do with his attitude and his charisma than his looks. Good example: I showed a friend a picture of him, and her reaction was "Meh." Then I showed her an episode featuring him being smarmy and seduction. Suddenly she thought he was unbelievably hot. You have no further to look for confirmation of this than porn (actual porn) made for women. One of the most popular porn stars right now is James Deen. Yeah, he's more good looking than the average guy, but is he unrealistically good looking? No. He's somewhat scrawny, he's kind of scruffy, he's pale... for heavens' sake, he's Jewish! But what women LOVE about him is how he connects with the camera, how he expresses the emotional side of sex. how he "knows what the woman he's with wants." THAT, dear Woggle, is porn for females, not the unreasonably muscled, chiseled jawline that a lot of men seem to imagine. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/11/17/porn_that_women_like_why_does_it_make_men_so_uncomfortable_.html) In fact, I think a lot of times, when men say," Oh women only find THIS type of men attractive," the guy they're imagining is actually what they, the male speaker, wants *himself* to be. Male super heroes, male porn stars.... all muscled and gruff and humorless, that's a MALE power fantasy. The guy is imagining himself as that, but it actually has nothing to do with what women ACTUALLY like. Here's a good visual explination: http://www.shortpacked.com/2011/comic/book-13/05-the-death-of-snkrs/falseequivalence/
O'Malley Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 True Blood is a romantic story with a lot of sex and fantasy elements (ever read Greek mythology?). Porn is just sex. Both posses fantasy elements. Supernatural beings on the one hand, 'enhanced' women on the other, who are so possessed by lust for a particular person that they'll do anything and everything for them. You can argue that TB is obviously a portrayal and that porn is people engaging in actions that aren't always so healthy for them mentally or physically, but that's another twelve page thread. This is really nothing new, obviously traditional representations of porn have always been around (you don't have to look much farther than the hetaira on Greek vases or the remains of some of the art on the walls at Herculaneum or Pompeii for that) and this same dynamic is apparent in Sheridan Le Fanu's Carmilla, the predecessor of most of this vampire culture, even before Bram Stoker. It's hardly surprising that the sexual elements of Le Fanu's story tends to play out as a central theme in most heterosexual male targeted porn, because those elements were already tangible in society. I'd speculate that many women feel threatened by and are dissociated from, the increasing popularity of violent porn. Maybe this vampire porn stuff (I realise it's not officially labelled as porn) is a response to it. Some effort, on behalf of (particularly young) women to form a sort of connection to sex as it's depicted by BDSM and gonzo porn...but to raise their status within it. I'd agree. It is that power differential -- that you can wield a strong influence over an individual simply by utilizing the desire that they possess for you in ways that are beneficial to your needs, selfish or not -- that is crucial to fantasy. Men and women aren't really different in sharing that viewpoint; it's just the means differ in how they represent it and seek it out via fantasy scenarios.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 (edited) And yet many women I've encountered are like that. They've got their head stuck in fantasy land and real men aren't good enough. The most recent girl I had a crush on was holding out for Solid Snake Men don't do that. They don't save themselves for a fantasy. Do you know what Alex Skarsgard looks like? He's like a Swedish God. There are hardly ANY men that look like that. These women that you boys are trying to date sound like a bunch of delusional teeny boppers. Most women know that most men don't all look like this: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq08myF8Ar1qffvbp.jpg http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Alexander-Skarsg-rd-alexander-skarsgard-13780729-900-1222.jpg And if the average girl is dumb enough to think she's going to land guys like this, she will be single forever. Edited December 17, 2011 by ShannonMI
somedude81 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Do you know what Alex Skarsgard looks like? He's like a Swedish God. There are hardly ANY men that look like that. These women that you boys are trying to date sound like a bunch of delusional teeny boppers. Most women know that most men don't all look like this: http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq08myF8Ar1qffvbp.jpg http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/13700000/Alexander-Skarsg-rd-alexander-skarsgard-13780729-900-1222.jpg And if the average girl is dumb enough to think she's going to land guys like this, she will be single forever. And they don't seem to care. I've known several girls in their early 20's who were waiting for a man that matches their ideal and are perfectly happy being single, rejecting any normal man who desires her. I really wish I could just slap one of them and tell her, "Wake up! Men like that are not going to date you. They're only into really beautiful women, they wouldn't even look at you. But I'm looking at you, right here, right now." Of course, there is no chance that above would work.
ShannonMI Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 And they don't seem to care. I've known several girls in their early 20's who were waiting for a man that matches their ideal and are perfectly happy being single, rejecting any normal man who desires her. I really wish I could just slap one of them and tell her, "Wake up! Men like that are not going to date you. They're only into really beautiful women, they wouldn't even look at you. But I'm looking at you, right here, right now." Of course, there is no chance that above would work. Well perhaps when the idiot reaches her 30's she'll realize she ain't getting no Alex and she'll finally date a average Joe. In my teens and 20's I had normal standards. I didn't need my boyfriends to look like Brad Pitt. If I had, I would have never dated and I'd still be a f*cking virgin.
verhrzn Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 And they don't seem to care. I've known several girls in their early 20's who were waiting for a man that matches their ideal and are perfectly happy being single, rejecting any normal man who desires her. I really wish I could just slap one of them and tell her, "Wake up! Men like that are not going to date you. They're only into really beautiful women, they wouldn't even look at you. But I'm looking at you, right here, right now." Of course, there is no chance that above would work. But you're only looking at them because you think they're NOT beautiful enough to get the super attractive man. You're only looking at them because you think, of yourself, that you're not attractive enough to get someone you consider hot. Most women actually don't necessarily want a beautiful man. They want what he represents.... That someone special (someone with options and choices) would choose them. Women want to be wanted. They want to be desired, they want their partner to think they are drop-dead sexy. They want to feel special. Yeah, you're looking at them... but you're not making them feel special. You're making them feel "settled for." That you're picking them because you think you don't have options, because you think "Hey they're too unattractive to get men they consider handsome, they'll go for me!" By having such a low expectation of yourself, you're actually INSULTING these women, and driving them further away.
dasein Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 I rented and watched the first season of True Blood a while back. That season was a very mediocre, lowbrow show with unrealized camp potential. There is a huge amount of campy, fun voodoo, vampire, monster, zombie lore that could have been crafted into an intelligent parody. Of course, they turn it into just another "god's special, perfect girl with superpowers through no effort of her own" being fought over by fantastic elements. No idea what they have done with it, sounds like they have turned it into a theater of the vulgar and absurd as so much mass entertainment trends toward. Just more bread and circuses. The hypocrisy in it has little to do with the show itself. I imagine hordes of female fans watch the show on inferior college and jr. college campuses and then rush right out to "rape awareness" candle vigils on campuses where they have to go back several years to find a real rape or "borrow" inner city statistics to paint women as the victims of bad men. Then they go to their "anti porn objectification and degradation of women" rally and paint women as victims of insidious "porn masters." No rallies on "TrueBlood night" though, they are too busy watching and fantasizing about the very things they rally against the other nights of the week.
somedude81 Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Well perhaps when the idiot reaches her 30's she'll realize she ain't getting no Alex and she'll finally date a average Joe. In my teens and 20's I had normal standards. I didn't need my boyfriends to look like Brad Pitt. If I had, I would have never dated and I'd still be a f*cking virgin. The voice of reason But you're only looking at them because you think they're You're only looking at them because you think, of yourself, that you're not attractive enough to get someone you consider hot. And, then the voice of, what the hell are you smoking?! I only like them because tI think think they're not NOT beautiful enough to get the super attractive man. Dude you have some warped ideas. Most women actually don't necessarily want a beautiful man. They want what he represents.... That someone special (someone with options and choices) would choose them. I'll agree with that. Women don't want a man who seems like he has no options. It doesn't matter how much the guy likes her. I'd love to write more but I'm late for work.
Lonely Ronin Posted December 17, 2011 Posted December 17, 2011 Women want to be wanted. They want to be desired, they want their partner to think they are drop-dead sexy. They want to feel special. I think you find most normal guys want this as well, I know I do. I want someone who wants me, not someone who is settling for or needs me.
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