Men "lowering their standards".....

[iris219]

American women are like diamonds... Their high value is completely artificial

 

It's interesting to contrast how in America the men are always better looking than women in couples...

 

You need to come to my town.

 

I almost never see this. I see a few couples who are about equal. The rest include women who are MUCH more attractive than the men. And I mean you'll do double take when you see this smoking hot girl walk by with a sloppy gross dude. Men in my town do notoriously well because there's more women. It's something newcomers comment on. When we (my group of friends) hear a female friend has a new BF, we're always prepared to meet a much less attractive man.

 

I know only one couple where the woman is less attractive than the guy. She's incredibly nice and has a good job. He smokes a lot of pot and is a part time bartender.

[ThaWholigan]

You need to come to my town.

 

I almost never see this. I see a few couples who are about equal. The rest include women who are MUCH more attractive than the men. And I mean you'll do double take when you see this smoking hot girl walk by with a sloppy gross dude. Men in my town do notoriously well because there's more women. It's something newcomers comment on. When we (my group of friends) hear a female friend has a new BF, we're always prepared to meet a much less attractive man.

 

I know only one couple where the woman is less attractive than the guy. She's incredibly nice and has a good job. He smokes a lot of pot and is a part time bartender.

 

In London, there isn't as much emphasis on looks as there is on behavioral traits, in my experience. I've seen some dudes that I thought looked like they'd been 15 rounds with a Tyson/Lewis tag-team, and they were with some of the most gorgeous girls I've ever seen. In fact, the most gorgeous girls I have met usually didn't have boyfriends and were always single. And they were actually cool people.

 

It's never as black-and-white as we sometimes like to put it to alleviate our grievances. I think once I get myself in order, I won't have too much trouble attracting a woman that I find attractive.

Edited December 16, 2011 by ThaWholigan

[verhrzn]

Hey buddy

 

Dating women you aren't attracted to serves as great practice for refining your skills, which you can use for dating attractive women. It's like having practice sessions - you don't care if you win or lose, so long as your game is improved.

 

As for confidence, I did a lot of things to boost that, such as accepting my flaws, and confronting whatever it is that makes me shy.

 

NO. No, for the love of GOD, leave the women you're not attracted to ALONE.

 

How can you not see how vile, how despicable, how selfish it is, to date women you don't find attractive to "refine your skills" so you can dump them for hotter ones? I've had it done to me, and it's SHATTERED my self esteem!

 

THIS IS WHY WOMEN AVOID "NICE GUYS," BECAUSE THEY JUSTIFY THEIR SADISTIC BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS.

[jobaba]

You need to come to my town.

 

I almost never see this. I see a few couples who are about equal. The rest include women who are MUCH more attractive than the men. And I mean you'll do double take when you see this smoking hot girl walk by with a sloppy gross dude. Men in my town do notoriously well because there's more women. It's something newcomers comment on. When we (my group of friends) hear a female friend has a new BF, we're always prepared to meet a much less attractive man.

 

I know only one couple where the woman is less attractive than the guy. She's incredibly nice and has a good job. He smokes a lot of pot and is a part time bartender.

 

SOLD!

 

Give it up. Where is this mecca of teeming with estrogen? Can't tease us like that and then not give us the goods.

[ThaWholigan]

NO. No, for the love of GOD, leave the women you're not attracted to ALONE.

 

How can you not see how vile, how despicable, how selfish it is, to date women you don't find attractive to "refine your skills" so you can dump them for hotter ones? I've had it done to me, and it's SHATTERED my self esteem!

 

THIS IS WHY WOMEN AVOID "NICE GUYS," BECAUSE THEY JUSTIFY THEIR SADISTIC BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS.

 

Agreed. I have never entertained the idea of dating someone as "practice". I would hang out with a girl if she was cool and we had fun to see where it goes as a girl like that could pique my interest, particularly if I don't find her unattractive. Generally those girls tend to have layers to them that reveal themselves and make her more attractive, I believe so.

 

But to date someone you're not attracted to and falsify interest is not the way I would go.

[dasein]

SOLD!

 

Give it up. Where is this mecca of teeming with estrogen? Can't tease us like that and then not give us the goods.

 

Don't run too fast. Women are notorious for overestimating the looks of other women and underestimating male looks. One OLD survey I read found that the surveyed women found 80% of the male profile pictures to be "below average" in attractiveness in a venue where truly average and below men don't even bother, making most of the men on OLD sites actually well above average.

 

I remember a street survey on a morning talk show once where three very average, even homely women on the street were shown pictures of men also on the street for assessing attractiveness. The men were all better looking by far than all the women, yet the women tore the pics apart. "He needs to work out more, it doesn't look like he has a six pack!" "His chest is not developed enough!" and other such nonsense.

 

Not saying iris is doing that, but just be aware of the phenomenon.

[El Brujo]

NO. No, for the love of GOD, leave the women you're not attracted to ALONE.

 

How can you not see how vile, how despicable, how selfish it is, to date women you don't find attractive to "refine your skills" so you can dump them for hotter ones? I've had it done to me, and it's SHATTERED my self esteem!

 

THIS IS WHY WOMEN AVOID "NICE GUYS," BECAUSE THEY JUSTIFY THEIR SADISTIC BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS.

 

I feel like mailing you a train ticket so you can move out here to live with me.

[Wolf18]

I disagree. I always think European guys have much better sense of fashion and take better care of themselves, compared with American. Maybe in US, there're way too many overweight, sloppy people, both men and women?

Anyone from Europe can comment on this?

 

Maybe in Italy, and France to a lesser extent.

 

But definitely not in Serbia

 

All the girls I know who go to Europe from America comment on how skinny the men are They don't mean it in a good way either.

 

 

You need to come to my town.

 

I almost never see this. I see a few couples who are about equal. The rest include women who are MUCH more attractive than the men. And I mean you'll do double take when you see this smoking hot girl walk by with a sloppy gross dude. Men in my town do notoriously well because there's more women. It's something newcomers comment on. When we (my group of friends) hear a female friend has a new BF, we're always prepared to meet a much less attractive man.

 

I know only one couple where the woman is less attractive than the guy. She's incredibly nice and has a good job. He smokes a lot of pot and is a part time bartender.[/Quote]

 

 

Where do you live? Where in the Twilight Zone is this town located...?

[Ross MwcFan]

I don't think there's anything 'wrong' with lowering your standards, especially if you have no choice.

 

If it makes them happy, then good on them.

[Wolf18]

Don't run too fast. Women are notorious for overestimating the looks of other women and underestimating male looks. One OLD survey I read found that the surveyed women found 80% of the male profile pictures to be "below average" in attractiveness in a venue where truly average and below men don't even bother, making most of the men on OLD sites actually well above average.

 

I remember a street survey on a morning talk show once where three very average, even homely women on the street were shown pictures of men also on the street for assessing attractiveness. The men were all better looking by far than all the women, yet the women tore the pics apart. "He needs to work out more, it doesn't look like he has a six pack!" "His chest is not developed enough!" and other such nonsense.

 

Not saying iris is doing that, but just be aware of the phenomenon.

 

 

Yeah, I absolutely agree. Women in America particularly have almost an obsessive compulsion for picking out even the smallest male flaws, meanwhile every girl is beautiful according to them.

 

The worst thing is beta men play along.

[RecordProducer]

THIS IS WHY WOMEN AVOID "NICE GUYS," BECAUSE THEY JUSTIFY THEIR SADISTIC BEHAVIOR LIKE THIS.

This sounds like a fun topic - can you elaborate, please?

 

BTW, the "" you put around the term "nice guys" tells me you don't believe in any such thing.

[iris219]

 

 

Where do you live? Where in the Twilight Zone is this town located...?

 

I don't think you could handle what you'd learn if you came here. It would shatter every belief you have about dating and male/female interactions. You would probably explode.*

 

As I've said in other posts, I'm an attractive woman and I can't get laid (haven't in a year) and I have no men hovering around me. And I'm not the only single woman I know with this predicament.

[Wolf18]

I don't think you could handle what you'd learn if you came here. It would shatter every belief you have about dating and male/female interactions. You would probably explode.*

 

As I've said in other posts, I'm an attractive woman and I can't get laid (haven't in a year) and I have no men hovering around me. And I'm not the only single woman I know with this predicament.

 

 

I don't know if you were the one who said it, but from what I understand the women on this board who claim they can't get laid are in that predicament because of their intense discrimination about who they take to bed.

 

Being celibate because nobody passes your likely rigid physical and personality tests isn't the same as a guy like me who doesn't even get a choice, precisely because I probably don't pass the tests of women like you .

[iris219]

I don't know if you were the one who said it, but from what I understand the women on this board who claim they can't get laid are in that predicament because of their intense discrimination about who they take to bed.

 

Being celibate because nobody passes your likely rigid physical and personality tests isn't the same as a guy like me who doesn't even get a choice, precisely because I probably don't pass the tests of women like you .

 

I've only rejected men this year for the following reasons: married, alcoholic (non functioning), weird/creepy, way too young, way too old, and/or had no interest in a commitment.

 

At this point I'd pretty much sleep with anyone who wasn't a horrible person and who wasn't looking for just a ONS or FWB.

[Ross MwcFan]

Hey Wolf, are they just cold or has someone been tweaking them?

[Wolf18]

I've only rejected men this year for the following reasons: married, alcoholic (non functioning), weird/creepy, way too young, way too old, and/or had no interest in a commitment.[/Quote]

 

If someone is to too young (depending on how young), too old (depending on how old), too weird (I doubt as weird as you say), or not interested enough in commitment, then you're celibate by your own choice.

 

I'm 22 , I'd do a 40 year old chick if the opportunity presented itself and she was decent looking. I'd bang a girl younger than me as long as she's of consenting age. Commitments the last thing you've got on your mind when you're running on a full tank. And I strongly doubt these are the only reasons you've rejected male advances, there's probably a lot of small reasons why as well. Most of male and female dating woes are rooted in how strict many womens standards are about a mans looks, finances, personality, etc. Most guys only have 1 of these 3, some exceptions have 2, and there's a few rare "jewels" that have all 3 but all the women are after them so don't expect more than 15 minutes of their attention .

 

I don't have any of these opportunities, I'd be quite content if I did, so you see why your dry spell is quite different from a male one.

[ThaWholigan]

If someone is to too young (depending on how young), too old (depending on how old), too weird (I doubt as weird as you say), or not interested enough in commitment, then you're celibate by your own choice.

 

I'm 22 , I'd do a 40 year old chick if the opportunity presented itself and she was decent looking. I'd bang a girl younger than me as long as she's of consenting age. Commitments the last thing you've got on your mind when you're running on a full tank. And I strongly doubt these are the only reasons you've rejected male advances, there's probably a lot of small reasons why as well. Most of male and female dating woes are rooted in how strict many womens standards are about a mans looks, finances, personality, etc. Most guys only have 1 of these 3, some exceptions have 2, and there's a few rare "jewels" that have all 3 but all the women are after them so don't expect more than 15 minutes of their attention .

 

I don't have any of these opportunities, I'd be quite content if I did, so you see why your dry spell is quite different from a male one.

 

I'm sure that you have your standards too. We all do really, hence the thread "lowering your standards". Maybe the question should be "how unreasonable are our standards as men?".......

 

We know about women's "unreasonable" standards, let's elaborate on what our standards are....

[iris219]

If someone is to too young (depending on how young), too old (depending on how old), too weird (I doubt as weird as you say), or not interested enough in commitment, then you're celibate by your own choice.

 

I'm 22 , I'd do a 40 year old chick if the opportunity presented itself and she was decent looking. I'd bang a girl younger than me as long as she's of consenting age. Commitments the last thing you've got on your mind when you're running on a full tank. And I strongly doubt these are the only reasons you've rejected male advances, there's probably a lot of small reasons why as well. Most of male and female dating woes are rooted in how strict many womens standards are about a mans looks, finances, personality, etc. Most guys only have 1 of these 3, some exceptions have 2, and there's a few rare "jewels" that have all 3 but all the women are after them so don't expect more than 15 minutes of their attention .

 

I don't have any of these opportunities, I'd be quite content if I did, so you see why your dry spell is quite different from a male one.

 

My dry spell is different than yours because I have different morals than you. A ONS or FWB type deal would make me feel gross. I couldn't have one with a super hot guy.

 

Let's say this 40 year woman you mention was average looking, an alcoholic, emotionally unstable, unemployed, had nothing in common with you, and you didn't like her as person at all. Are you saying you'd still sleep with her? If so, I don't see why you're not having sex. You could find someone like this at most bars. *

[ThaWholigan]

My dry spell is different than yours because I have different morals than you. A ONS or FWB type deal would make me feel gross. I couldn't have one with a super hot guy.

 

Let's say this 40 year woman you mention was average looking, an alcoholic, emotionally unstable, unemployed, had nothing in common with you, and you didn't like her as person at all. Are you saying you'd still sleep with her? If so, I don't see why you're not having sex. You could find someone like this at most bars. *

 

Personally, I wouldn't take that chance, too messy .

[verhrzn]

I don't know if you were the one who said it, but from what I understand the women on this board who claim they can't get laid are in that predicament because of their intense discrimination about who they take to bed.

 

Being celibate because nobody passes your likely rigid physical and personality tests isn't the same as a guy like me who doesn't even get a choice, precisely because I probably don't pass the tests of women like you .

 

*Curses the skies in futility*

 

You're just never gonna believe girls like me exist until they invent a body-switching device so you can live in my body and see it for yourself, are you?

[Wolf18]

My dry spell is different than yours because I have different morals than you. A ONS or FWB type deal would make me feel gross. I couldn't have one with a super hot guy. [/Quote]

 

Congratulations on your morals, but this isn't a theological discussion, this is about the root of your dry spell.

 

If I was a woman and could afford to have a thousand different morals and standards, I probably would too. When I had many opportunities with women, and actually turned down quite a few (even though I was attracted to some of those women) I thought I was doing something righteous and holy or I was too cool/picky for those women (I rejected one girl just for being too blonde, another for being too skinny ((whose a model now)), and another cute girl for having wavey hair ), but that's only because i knew there was another opportunity around the corner that would be in accord with my values, "standards" and personality.

 

Years later, after years of thirst in the pussy Sahara, I honestly regret a lot of the opportunities I've passed up throughout my life. I would take most of the women I rejected in the past in a heartbeat today.

 

It's not about morals, it's about opportunities. If tomorrow you became completely invisible to men, where even the "too old"s and "too young"s didn't even give you attention, you would probably feel as I do.

 

 

Let's say this 40 year woman you mention was average looking, an alcoholic, emotionally unstable, unemployed, had nothing in common with you, and you didn't like her as person at all. Are you saying you'd still sleep with her? If so, I don't see why you're not having sex. You could find someone like this at most bars. * [/Quote]

 

I could care less about about a womans employment status or if she likes to drink (who doesn't). That's a pretty extreme caricature, I haven't been out to the bar much for a while but I doubt even a woman with so many strikes against her would want to have a one night stand with me at this point. I've seen women similar to your caricature with countless guys good looking guys vying for her attention, and still not scoring

[iris219]

*Curses the skies in futility*

 

You're just never gonna believe girls like me exist until they invent a body-switching device so you can live in my body and see it for yourself, are you?

 

No, he won't. I really don't think he could handle acknowledging that dating for women isn't exactly how he imagines it to be in his head. His world would come crumbling down if he admitted that women have experiences very different from what he believes.

 

Not all women have unrealistic standards and yet many still have trouble dating, but he doesn't want to believe it.

[Wolf18]

*Curses the skies in futility*

 

You're just never gonna believe girls like me exist until they invent a body-switching device so you can live in my body and see it for yourself, are you?

 

 

I'm sorry Verhrzn, but I think you just like to carry the cross because it makes you feel good to be pitied.

 

Countless males on this forum toot your damn horn every time you post. You tell us these stories about men talking to you, asking you about Batman and pokemon or whatever else nerds talk about, obviously showing interest in you, yet this flies over your head.

 

You're either making **** up, or have very rigid standards, or have some serious flaw like a dead fetus attached to the other side of your face. There is something you're leaving out of the equation, period.

[verhrzn]

I'm sorry Verhrzn, but I think you just like to carry the cross because it makes you feel good to be pitied.

 

Countless males on this forum toot your damn horn every time you post. You tell us these stories about men talking to you, asking you about Batman and pokemon or whatever else nerds talk about, obviously showing interest in you, yet this flies over your head.

 

You're either making **** up, or have very rigid standards, or have some serious flaw like a dead fetus attached to the other side of your face. There is something you're leaving out of the equation, period.

 

They don't "talk" to me about Batman, they ARGUE with me about Batman.

 

And therein lies the thing I've been trying to beat you over the head with.

 

That guys actually DON'T jump on everything they see, even desperate ones. That guys have their own screwed up senses of standards just like some women do. (I find it hilarious karma that you turned down a girl for having too wavy hair.) That girls can supposedly be attractive on paper (or forums) and still have difficulties that do not include fetus face accessories.

 

I've shown you pictures of guys I've dated. I've described my standards every time. I can say, honestly, hand to heart, that I have dated every single guy who stated out loud he is interested in me.

 

And yet you still misbelieve. What exactly is it going to take for you to accept that there are some women out there that DON'T HAVE IT EASY? Why are you so determined to prove this point?

[iris219]

 

I could care less about about a womans employment status or if she likes to drink (who doesn't). That's a pretty extreme caricature, I haven't been out to the bar much for a while but I doubt even a woman with so many strikes against her would want to have a one night stand with me at this point. I've seen women similar to your caricature with countless guys good looking guys vying for her attention, and still not scoring

 

I guess I should have added that she doesn't want a ONS. She wants you to be her BF. You still going there? No, it's not an extreme caricature. I meet men like that.

 

I go to bars with my girlfriends, who are all educated professionals. In terms of looks, we range from average to beautiful, and men aren't falling over us, but according to you they're falling over crazy, unemployed alcoholics?! That just doesn't make sense.