What if men stopped pursuing?

[Elysian Powder]

Exactly! You can bet most women will choose to go after the most masculine and goodlooking guys.

 

 

 

They already do it. Most of the women married to/dating average men are perpetually cheating. women can't help it, and I always laugh because most men are pathetic to the point of spending so much on women - and no sex - whereas women drop the panties freely and instantly for me.

 

I get the youngest, legalistic fckable pussy, so fresh and tight, made possible by the amazing chemistry we share, aka how much soaked I get their panties and although I treat women like dirt, still they come.

 

Average men learn of this, give up on women and turn to porn; are endlessly shamed by women because Men like me do not care about cum-Dumpsters, but nevertheless, women want to use average men as providers of free male attention and cash, but they can't do it if men look at porn hence the ban on prostitutes and the continuous verbal attacks on the masculinity of the porn users.

 

Average men are the slaves of women and our beasts of burden. Keep up the good work, suckers .

[Nexus One]

Why is it pathetic? Beggars can't be choosers.

 

*shakes his head*, I think I just lost a big chunk of respect I had for you. Your ethical framework is just f*cked up. Some time ago when we argued, I thought that maybe I had that wrong and we just didn't understand each other very well, but now I'm sure.

 

What do you mean by "take what you want, rather than rely on the actions of others"? How exactly am I supposed to "take" a romantic relationship?

 

Figure it out yourself.

Edited December 14, 2011 by Nexus One

[Woggle]

That is what I don't get about some views about porn. If average or beta men are just not wanted by women why not let them please themselves on their own and leave women alone? Wouldn't most women like this? I can perfectly understand why a man in a relationship should not be looking at porn but what is so wrong with a single man doing it? Are they not allowed to have any pleasure?

[Elysian Powder]

That is what I don't get about some views about porn. If average or beta men are just not wanted by e why not let them please themselves on their own and leave women alone? Wouldn't most women like this? I can perfectly understand why a man in a relationship should not be looking at porn but what is so wrong with a single man doing it? Are they not allowed to have any pleasure?

 

Sexually relieved men do not chase women. unmarried women can't steal alimony nor child-support.

[PlumPrincess]

I really should know better now to enter such threads anymore... As always some of the answers are so insane...

[Elysian Powder]

unmarried women can't steal alimony nor child-support, If men are masturbating instead of chasing

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edited.

[ThaWholigan]

They already do it. Most of the women married to/dating average men are perpetually cheating. women can't help it, and I always laugh because most men are pathetic to the point of spending so much on women - and no sex - whereas women drop the panties freely and instantly for me.

 

I get the youngest, legalistic fckable pussy, so fresh and tight, made possible by the amazing chemistry we share, aka how much soaked I get their panties and although I treat women like dirt, still they come.

 

Average men learn of this, give up on women and turn to porn; are endlessly shamed by women because Men like me do not care about cum-Dumpsters, but nevertheless, women want to use average men as providers of free male attention and cash, but they can't do it if men look at porn hence the ban on prostitutes and the continuous verbal attacks on the masculinity of the porn users.

 

Average men are the slaves of women and our beasts of burden. Keep up the good work, suckers .

 

If I was a shameful man, I'd be offended lol.

 

See, whether you are telling the truth about your life or not, the fact is, this isn't based on a fallacy. As much as there are success stories and happy endings, I see more of this happening.

 

My brother has a friend who is dating......well, shall we say the local "slut". And he's so happy that she's even paid attention to him that he still dates her. My bro has sexed her, so has my cousin, and his friend, and......well, many people have sexed her (except me ). My bro has been telling him to let her go, but he's going "she can change though".

 

Desperate for the pussy, will do anything to keep it, and lose it in the process. Worst is, she ain't even worth it!

 

EP, you're an ******* - but there is truth to what you say

 

 

Woggle said:

That is what I don't get about some views about porn. If average or beta men are just not wanted by women why not let them please themselves on their own and leave women alone? Wouldn't most women like this? I can perfectly understand why a man in a relationship should not be looking at porn but what is so wrong with a single man doing it? Are they not allowed to have any pleasure?

 

This is what I question all the porn-haters about all the time. I hate to say it, but a lot of the time (not all) they don't really have the most applicable advice when it comes to how to attract women. And they wonder why PUA is popular . I am not the kind of person that is overly concerned with this, as I am quite picky about what I like in a woman so I will likely have problems finding a mate anyway, but for those like me who aren't so picky and yet still encounter problems, I try to look at what is the problem is.

 

While men do create their own problems, a lot of it comes from a place of frustration and confusion as to how to proceed, and nobody seems to want to help them adequately at all. Even some PUA is quite counter productive!

 

Porn is a simple substitute for those who just can't find a woman who wants them. Same with escorts/prostitutes. Some women are just going to have to accept that as collateral damage, this is the harsh reality for them.

[Quiet Storm]

The thing with porn is that most women don't like to feel objectified by men. They don't think it is healthy for men to objectify women, which porn does. Many women also often feel that porn set unrealistic expections for women, because men seek what they see in porn. I personally feel that it is normal for men and women to objectify each other- but that objectification doesn't detract from enjoying other qualities about that person. In other words, my husband can want to grab my ass all day, but also love my personality, simutaneoulsy.

 

Being married to a husband that has occassionally enjoyed porn for more than twenty years, I don't feel as strongly on the matter. I see that he only uses it occasionally as a masturbatory tool, and it is nothing more than that for him. We watch it together sometimes, too. He never turned into a porn addict. He doesn't expect me to get fake boobs or scream in pleasure with one thrust. He loves me, our sex life is great, and I know he wants to be married to me and not porn sluts (although they are fun to look at).

 

However, many women are threatened when their man finds other women attractive, whether it is looking at a girl on the street or watching porn. They take it personally, and view it as a sign that he thinks she's not good enough, hot enough, thin enough, flexible enough, etc. They don't want to be compared to that type of woman, and his viewing makes her feel that way.

 

I think the women that have issues with single men using porn believe that regular porn use will warp their minds (and it does for SOME men). With hot women available at a man's fingertips, women are afraid that men won't be prompted to seek out average looking women. They believe that men's expectations will be too high. They view porn as degrading to women, and it upsets them that women are being disrespected for a man's pleasure.

 

I see their argument to some extent, but being married for so long I know that my husband can dominate me and be dirty in the bedroom AND love and respect me. AT THE SAME TIME. I think women that don't have as much life experience think that a man isn't capable of respecting woman, and enjoying porn.

 

I think it is perfectly logical why single men use porn. It meets their physical needs, and keeps them content sexually. Will it keep them from seeking relationships with women? Maybe. Will it cause porn addiction? Possibly. Will it cause them to only want a perfect 10, flexible, huge boobed nympho? Not likley, IMO.

[Wolf18]

While I've always pursued females, the most satisfying and fun experiences have been when the girl pursued me. No stupid games or other males she wants you to compete with, you already know the girl likes you. Pursuing women has always felt like a fruitless endeavor way more times than not, one thing's for sure a womans heart is not something you can win with hard work or extra dedication, she either likes how you look or is on the fence about it and if you make a fool of yourself she may consider you.

 

But of course for most guys, a women will pursue you maybe once a year if you're lucky. Some guys not even that.

[Nexus One]

*shakes his head*, I think I just lost a big chunk of respect I had for you. Your ethical framework is just f*cked up. Some time ago when we argued, I thought that maybe I had that wrong and we just didn't understand each other very well, but now I'm sure.

 

 

 

Figure it out yourself.

 

Rectification:

 

I misinterpreted what you were saying verhrzn. You didn't mean to say that you would sleep with another woman's SO in a cheating situation, but that you'd still sleep with a man who cheated on you.

 

Was that what you meant?

 

If so, then my opinion on that is that you shouldn't have to tolerate a guy who cheats on you. No matter what. But that's my opinion.

[verhrzn]

Rectification:

 

I misinterpreted what you were saying verhrzn. You didn't mean to say that you would sleep with another woman's SO in a cheating situation, but that you'd still sleep with a man who cheated on you.

 

Was that what you meant?

 

If so, then my opinion on that is that you shouldn't have to tolerate a guy who cheats on you. No matter what. But that's my opinion.

 

You are correct, sir, and my apologies, I worded it kind of poorly.

 

As an added note, I'm not saying that women should tolerate men who cheat on them, per say... But that in a society where men take multiple wives/lovers is perhaps a better situation for girls who can't get partners in any other way. (So, if they're unattractive.)

 

Back to the OP, I've said it before and I'll say it again.... Women will only become the pursuers of average guys once guys have figured out a way to non-verbally communicate their interest.

 

I will never approach or pursue a guy again because I get burned every time I do.... Guys date me only because I'm easy (they're desperate), not because they actually like me.*

 

Why? Because I have NO WAY to gauge a guy's interest before I approach him. Guys don't put out subtle signals (plays with their hair, makes eye contact for a certain amount of seconds and looks away.) They're either obviously into you, at which they might as WELL approach you because it's obvious anyway, or they're obviously not.

 

Women want guys to pursue them because it's an easy way for them to gauge if a guy likes them. If he doesn't like them... he won't put himself out there. Easy as that.

 

 

*In fact, it's a big reason why I've started avoiding "nice guys".... Nice guys are so convinced hot girls won't ever go for them, that they date the first woman who is nice to them (and MIGHT, ya know, actually like them) even if HE doesn't like HER. So if he dates her while still drooling/dreaming of the hot girls he's missing out on, while at the same time making the girlfriend prove she's not dating HIM out of desperation. Nice Guys are, frankly, a romantic black hole.

[lino]

Don't hold your breath.

[somedude81]

Why? Because I have NO WAY to gauge a guy's interest before I approach him. Guys don't put out subtle signals (plays with their hair, makes eye contact for a certain amount of seconds and looks away.) They're either obviously into you, at which they might as WELL approach you because it's obvious anyway, or they're obviously not.

Just because a guy is obviously into a girl, doesn't mean he's going to ask her out. Though I'm sure he's thought about it.

 

And I'm just curious, what do you think are some obvious guy signals?

 

And why would not approach a guy when he is giving away the obvious signals?

[El Brujo]

Strange, all the women I know of who are in happy, stable LTRs or marriages are the ones who initiated contact with their SO/husbands.

 

Even in the early 60s when that sort of thing was a huge no-no.

[somedude81]

Truth be told, the only girl I've ever kissed, approached me and asked me out.

 

She was also about 100lbs heavier than I was...

[stillafool]

I have two boys. I could tell as babies that one is an alpha and the other a beta.

 

My alpha kid is demanding, very aggressive and competive in sports, hates to lose, wants to be the smartest, the strongest and the best at everything he does. He always knows the right thing to say. Other kids listen to him and allow him to lead. He is popular and his peers flock to him. He doesn't take any crap from anyone.

 

My beta kid is laid back. He enjoys sports but doesn't have that competitive drive. He does his best but is not concerned about how others compare. He is thoughtful, helpful and empathetic. He blends into the group, and is more interested in working together than standing out. He has close friends but is not the life of the party.

 

As newborns, when the dog barked my alpha would curiously look to see what the noise was. My beta would startle and cry. As toddlers, my alpha hated to share and would fight for his toys. My beta would let the alpha have it and find something else to play with.

 

Both kids were raised in the same house by the same parents. Both are good looking, athletic and tall.

 

IMO, people can emulate alpha behavior and learn what works with others. (like PUA). However, an alpha is nauturally like that. No one has to tell him how to be alpha, he just is.

 

I think that people are born with a core nature. Your environment, upbringing, exposure to trauma can affect your personality, but I believe your true nature stays constant.

 

This is so true. I had two brothers and the older one is the Alpha. Their personalities are very much like your boys. Both were tall and goodlooking, athletic but girls flocked to my Alpha brother. I remember girls would make friends with me so they could come over and spend time with him. He was as you described always the leader, always made good grades and very ambitious. You are right that this was his natural behavior, he was just born that way.

[stillafool]

The key factor here is that men who complain about not being Alphas, are trying to attract Alpha females (so females who display the most characteristics of "femininity" as defined by society, like Alphas display the characteristics of "masculinity.") The guys I see complaining about how they can't get a girl, are the ones who have very narrow idea about how a "woman" should be... but the types of women who fit that definition have themselves an idea of how a "man" should be, and so don't want guys who don't fit that description.

 

Exactly Verhrzn!

[Quiet Storm]

Strange, all the women I know of who are in happy, stable LTRs or marriages are the ones who initiated contact with their SO/husbands.

 

That's interesting. I've had the opposite experience. My husband was the pursuer in our relationship and we are still happy twenty years later. I still want him sexually. My dad pursued my mom and they're still doing good. The women I know who "chose" their husbands seem bored, act annoyed by their husbands and don't want to f*ck them anymore.

[Oxy Moronovich]

Maybe I my first post had too much rambling. But the jist of it is that women love attention.

 

Scratch that. Women don't love attention, it is in there genes so bad they cannot live without it. As long as they don't creep her out, women want attention even from guys she considers unattractive. If men stopped pursuing, women would be much easier to get in bed.

 

I may come off as harsh or condescending here, but the majority of posts are way off. All you folks who say women would go after the alpha males only are totally wrong. A woman craves attention from men so badly she'll take attention from any guy who doesn't creep her out.

 

The key factor here is that men who complain about not being Alphas, are trying to attract Alpha females (so females who display the most characteristics of "femininity" as defined by society, like Alphas display the characteristics of "masculinity.") The guys I see complaining about how they can't get a girl, are the ones who have very narrow idea about how a "woman" should be... but the types of women who fit that definition have themselves an idea of how a "man" should be, and so don't want guys who don't fit that description.

There is no such thing as an alpha female. An alpha is a dominant member of a group. Women do not tolerate another woman getting the most attention from men. They do everything to bring her down: call her nasty names, talk behind her back, isolate her from the group, etc. Whenever a woman shows dominant qualities amongst other women, she gets cut down with a vengeance by other women. Therefore, an alpha female cannot exist.

[El Brujo]

There is no such thing as an alpha female. An alpha is a dominant member of a group. Women do not tolerate another woman getting the most attention from men. They do everything to bring her down: call her nasty names, talk behind her back, isolate her from the group, etc. Whenever a woman shows dominant qualities amongst other women, she gets cut down with a vengeance by other women. Therefore, an alpha female cannot exist.

 

You contradicted yourself.

 

The girls and women who put effort into bringing each other down are alphas. They're not necessarily either acting like wallflowers or making the first move against men; alpha women learn how to manipulate. Like the slickest trial lawyers, alpha women never let themselves be put into a situation where they'll be at a disadvantage.

 

Alpha man + alpha woman = power couple.

[verhrzn]

Maybe I my first post had too much rambling. But the jist of it is that women love attention.

 

Scratch that. Women don't love attention, it is in there genes so bad they cannot live without it. As long as they don't creep her out, women want attention even from guys she considers unattractive. If men stopped pursuing, women would be much easier to get in bed.

 

I may come off as harsh or condescending here, but the majority of posts are way off. All you folks who say women would go after the alpha males only are totally wrong. A woman craves attention from men so badly she'll take attention from any guy who doesn't creep her out.

 

 

There is no such thing as an alpha female. An alpha is a dominant member of a group. Women do not tolerate another woman getting the most attention from men. They do everything to bring her down: call her nasty names, talk behind her back, isolate her from the group, etc. Whenever a woman shows dominant qualities amongst other women, she gets cut down with a vengeance by other women. Therefore, an alpha female cannot exist.

 

Alphas are given social power because they have certain characteristics. You're defining Alpha from the male perspective... aka, an Alpha is the one with dominance, because we connect dominance=aggression=masculine, and the Alpha is the guy who is the most masculine.

 

However, my definition of an alpha female is one who exhibits the most qualities of femininity... sweetness, passivity, innocently coquettish, isn't trying too hard, is very social and fun, etc.

 

A woman who is OBVIOUSLY cutting down other women-calling another woman nasty names is a very obvious one-is far too aggressive to fit into the "Feminine" box. She would NOT be an Alpha... she's too aggressive, she's trying too hard to make herself look better.

 

That isn't to say women aren't aggressive... but the truly Alpha ones are the ones who can be aggressive while still appearing sweet and passive. Woman-on-woman bullying is VERY subtle, to the point that the victim wonders if she's crazy. Yeah, the Alpha will ostracize her from the group... and then invite her back in, claiming she imagined the ostracizing and there was never anything wrong.

[Oxy Moronovich]

You contradicted yourself.

 

The girls and women who put effort into bringing each other down are alphas. They're not necessarily either acting like wallflowers or making the first move against men; alpha women learn how to manipulate. Like the slickest trial lawyers, alpha women never let themselves be put into a situation where they'll be at a disadvantage.

 

Alpha man + alpha woman = power couple.

An alpha is someone who displays positive qualities such as confidence that inspire respect within the group. A confident woman cannot be an alpha because she doesn't inspire respect from other women. She inspires envy. Other women will try to bring her down.

 

You said, "The girls and women who put effort into bringing each other down are alphas." Those women cannot be alphas because they bring other women down out of jealousy and insecurities, which is the opposite of confidence. That's why your definition of an alpha woman doesn't exist.

 

verhrzn's definition of an alpha is smart though. Her definition of an alpha isn't the person who dominates others in the group but dominates most of the attention from men through femininity.

Alphas are given social power because they have certain characteristics. You're defining Alpha from the male perspective... aka, an Alpha is the one with dominance, because we connect dominance=aggression=masculine, and the Alpha is the guy who is the most masculine.

 

However, my definition of an alpha female is one who exhibits the most qualities of femininity... sweetness, passivity, innocently coquettish, isn't trying too hard, is very social and fun, etc.

 

A woman who is OBVIOUSLY cutting down other women-calling another woman nasty names is a very obvious one-is far too aggressive to fit into the "Feminine" box. She would NOT be an Alpha... she's too aggressive, she's trying too hard to make herself look better.

 

That isn't to say women aren't aggressive... but the truly Alpha ones are the ones who can be aggressive while still appearing sweet and passive. Woman-on-woman bullying is VERY subtle, to the point that the victim wonders if she's crazy. Yeah, the Alpha will ostracize her from the group... and then invite her back in, claiming she imagined the ostracizing and there was never anything wrong.

[Elysian Powder]

Truth be told, the only girl I've ever kissed, approached me and asked me out.

 

She was also about 100lbs heavier than I was...

 

you are below average as-well. Do you expect thin women to be into you?

 

you're an Incel because you want, only, the women you do not deserve.

[ThaWholigan]

you are below average as-well. Do you expect thin women to be into you?

 

you're an Incel because you want, only, the women you do not deserve.

 

LOL you're an onslaught.

 

If you were him, would you settle for someone you had NO attraction to?? I doubt it......

 

As much as you have some valid points about thing, I don't care much for your lack of compassion, you're almost gleeful about his misery (which is somewhat self-imposed I will add).

 

Him settling would be pathetic IMO

[Elysian Powder]

 

If you were him.

 

 

If I were he, I would've used the endless hours of whining to become good at music or at sports to gain the necessary cash to bang the thin females.

 

 

would you settle for someone you had NO attraction to?? I doubt it.....

 

Beggars can't be picky.

 

As much as you have some valid points about thing, I don't care much for your lack of compassion, you're almost gleeful about his misery (which is somewhat self-imposed I will add).

 

Self-defeating is fun to behold.

 

Him settling would be pathetic IMO

 

It'd be realistic.