spinaroonie Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Make her think something is wrong... you want to put a girl in a state of insecurity where she’s thinking of her faults instead of your own. You want her to be self-conscious that she’s lacking in a quality that either you want or that other girls have. Here are four ways to implement that strategy: 1. Make her think you’re bored with her conversation or story. Look around the room when she’s rambling about some nonsense. Let out an uninspired “That’s nice” when she was expecting a stronger reaction. Tight game here is pretending you don’t hear a lot of what she says. 2. Make her think she’s not good-looking enough. When you’re with her in a night venue, point out a girl hotter than her and ask, “What do you think of that girl?” She will give her answer and then ask you if you think she’s hot. Poorly evade the question by hesitating for a few seconds and then saying something like, “Her high-heels are nice.” Tight game here is having a roaming eye on exceptionally beautiful women. 3. Make her think you’re going to flake or stand her up.Take a long time to confirm dates, almost as if it was an afterthought. Then show up 15 minutes late, enough so that she texts you asking where you are. You’re doing it right if she’s visibly annoyed by the time you arrive. Tight game here is being forgetful, busy, or putting her last in a list of things you need to do. 4. Make her think you only want to use her for sex.*Repeatedly take her to the same bar venues. Insist on “movie” nights. Gently shoot down her suggestions to do something different like a day hike or a wine festival outing. Tight game here is not wanting to be seen too much with her in public. I didn’t invent the rules of human nature. I didn’t declare that instilling insecurity in another person is the optimal way to keep their interest in you at a high level, but that’s the reality. If you like a girl, you have to do things that show you don’t like her while at the same time escalating the encounter by touching, kissing, and venue changing to your bedroom. While some of these suggestions can be relaxed on more sensual foreign women, with American girls you have to be cold and heartless in other to get the most amount of sex. Anxiety creates attraction. The more anxiety you create in a woman, the more she will lower her guard enough so that your game will be well-received. It forces her to question her value instead of yours. In any casual relationship, one person is creating anxiety while the other person is receiving it. If you’re not the one creating it, then it’s not her that’s getting gamed. http://www.rooshv.com/make-her-think-something-is-wrong
somedude81 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 You are being sarcastic, right? Till I read this post, I was going to think he'd say yes. But now, I really don't know anymore. It's almost as if women need drama, or else they get bored.
Els Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Meh, there are women who love drama and the sort of guys he mentioned, but being with them would probably be worse than not having anyone. Guys will soon come to realize this.
somedude81 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Meh, there are women who love drama and the sort of guys he mentioned, but being with them would probably be worse than not having anyone. Guys will soon come to realize this. Why do guys have to realize it? Women are the drama seekers. The whole article was teaching guys how to cause more drama for a woman. It's not something that most guys do naturally. It's not mans fault that women perceive the above as exciting.
KathyM Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Well, if you have to resort to making a woman feel bad about herself or her standing with you in order to have "success" in getting or keeping a relationship, then you have issues and you need to improve your game. Learn how to attract women using positive techniques of attraction, and not negative ones.
somedude81 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Well, if you have to resort to making a woman feel bad about herself or her standing with you in order to have "success" in getting or keeping a relationship, then you have issues and you need to improve your game. Learn how to attract women using positive techniques of attraction, and not negative ones. And what are some positive techniques of attraction?
Woggle Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Why would any man want a woman who is impressed with this kind of stuff?
carhill Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 If a man's natural style is something other than the OP and less drama-seeking, then such tactics are a good way of determining incompatibility, ergo a woman who does respond to such techniques would be incompatible. Reflecting on past experiences with such women, that conclusion definitely has traction, though I was oblivious to it at the time. IOW, I ramped up the drama because it worked and hooked myself a toxic woman. That said, for men looking for short-term solutions, FWB and casual sex, such tactics can widen the realm of possibilities. I can say for sure that drama-seekers will not respond positively (attraction and sex-wise) to a calm and centered suitor. However, it is possible for them to like him and for him to become their tampon if he has low enough boundaries. The OP references the casual aspect here: In any casual relationship, one person is creating anxiety while the other person is receiving it.
Woggle Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 I would rather be single for life than ever be with a woman who actually likes that crap.
verhrzn Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Follow these rules, and you too can land your own insecure drama queen with whom you can have a short (but feels like long) relationship of self- and mutual- loathing, manipulation and anxiety. Cause honestly... those are the only types of people who fall for this stuff. Heck, I consider myself insecure, and I'd run screaming if a guy pulled this stuff.
somedude81 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 I would rather be single for life than ever be with a woman who actually likes that crap. Try being single for life first.
KathyM Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 And what are some positive techniques of attraction? 1. Be an interesting person who can hold an interesting/intriquing conversation, so she'll think you're an intelligent, facinating, knowledgeable and deep individual. Acting like you're bored with her conversation will get you no where, except she'll be thinking you are boring yourself. A sense of humor is also an asset. 2. Compliment her on aspects of her appearance, and make sure you are doing the most you can with yours. Insulting her appearance or making her think you find other women so attractive and not her is just going to make her feel like you're a jerk and not worth spending time on. 3. Do fun/exciting things together, and show her a good time. 4. Be polite, punctual, considerate, and do what you say you'll do--call her and see her when you say you will. In other words, the opposite of what the OP is suggesting. The women I know would dump a guy that would act like the man described in the OP. Believe it or not, women want to be treated well, not treated like worthless, expendable trash.
dasein Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) Make her think something is wrong... 1. Make her think you’re bored with her conversation or story. 2. Make her think she’s not good-looking enough. 3. Make her think you’re going to flake or stand her up. 4. Make her think you only want to use her for sex. Anxiety creates attraction. The more anxiety you create in a woman, the more she will lower her guard enough so that your game will be well-received. There is truth in the above, but the specific methods are likely to trip their playerdar. The reason men resort to tactics like this is to avoid being put into HR red pencil mode. IMO there are better ways. 1. Not necessary to make her think she bores you, but just don't fawn on everything that comes out of her mouth. Too many guys sit and "bobblehead yes ma'am" when they are trying to get the girl. There should not be too many times when you are allowing someone to carry an entire conversation. There is lots of middle ground here between being too compliant and being out and out rude. Neither extreme is good. 2. Same middle ground. Never tell new women how hot or beautiful they are. Other guys do the work for you such that by not making gratuitous compliments, you separate yourself from the pack in the act of not spouting out the same tired cliches. Making her feel ugly is not the way to go IME. Women who feel less than physically are insecure and guarded in bed, not good. 3. Disagree with being late unless you are picking her up at her place, then do be 15 minutes late to defuse their common game of making you wait. I have found fewer and fewer women do this these days, so once she shows that she is the "on time" type, reward that and reinforce the good behavior. Punish bad behavior accordingly if they make you wait at their place 30 minutes or more. As far as meeting them out, always be there before them. You want to figure out where you want to engage them and on early dates, it's worth getting there early enough to ensure seats where you can touch each other that aren't in too loud an area or where lighting is unfavorable. You want a place where you can make out if it goes there between "making out in public naughty turn on" and "whorish behavior in plain view turn off." You also want to make sure to get a place that is not too loud and not near the bathrooms or where waitrons are moving back and forth constantly. 4. Bad idea to make her think you are only interested in sex, good idea to make her think that you are only interested in fun and casual good times, and if she wants to bring you into her agenda for more, that she is going to have to work for it. IME rewarding good behavior with nice nights out and gestures works here. Don't give away the store early, but don't be stingy with affection building behaviors and treats either for a woman who is giving you what you want. Sex with a woman who doesn't see the potential for more with you is not usually the best sex you could be having. If she thinks there is potential, she will go out of her way to please you, if she thinks it's just NSA or the LOLworthy "friends with benefits," she will be guarded of her emotional response, sex with guarded women not good. Edited December 12, 2011 by dasein
DearAbby Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 If a guy acts bored with the conversation or story, that in no way turns me on. It turns me off. It gets me to think he is uninterested and I don't want to see him again. If he makes me think I am not good looking enough I will feel insecure around him and then I won't be comfortable. If I am not comfortable, I won't want to see him again. If a guy arrives 15 minutes late, I won't be texting him. I'll be waiting a few more minutes and perhaps leaving. I will think the guy is not a gentleman and disrespectful and it will be a mark against him and I probably won't want to see him again. And finally, if I even smell that the guy only wants sex, he will not even get close to my vagina LOL. I think guys will have success with women if they are not too eager, act like gentleman, be a mans man, have a great personality. All the things OP mentions are huge NO NOs. They may work with women who are uneducated and have low self esteem. But any smart woman with a slight decency of self respect would NEVER deal with a man who behaved that way.
LZ2000 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 The women I know would dump a guy that would act like the man described in the OP. Believe it or not, women want to be treated well, not treated like worthless, expendable trash. We men, would also love to be treated well too. Everything in a healthy relationship must be fair, respectful and reasonable.
Els Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Why do guys have to realize it? Women are the drama seekers. The whole article was teaching guys how to cause more drama for a woman. It's not something that most guys do naturally. It's not mans fault that women perceive the above as exciting. Come now, SD, that wasn't terribly unclear. I meant that most men with a decent head on their shoulders will swiftly realize after a bad experience or two, that the SORT of women this type of technique attracts (ie the drama seekers) are not the sort of women worth having.
Wolf18 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 The OP's advice will work if you are very physically attractive or rich, but despite this behavior not because of it. That doesn't mean it's going to make the average guy any more attractive or that "bad boys get the girl" at all. There are some men who can behave in whatever fashion they feel and women will always want them, or come on this forum trying to decipher their behavior, they're not players and they don't have any mythical game, if they were doormat manginas that would work for them too.
ThaWholigan Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 I haven't read Roosh in a while lol . No, this will not work unless you are some kind of mPUA, and I'm sure they don't get as much success with this method either. It is much better to relax into your natural personality, but supplement your character with enough attractive qualities until they are further ingrained into your core personality. And it should be for your own reasons, rather than just to get the girl, otherwise it will be incongruent for longer
RecordProducer Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) Thank you for this post! For what it's worth, this advice has some validity, but I'd like to clarify its nature and extent. My ex-husband used to do all this stuff and much more to me during and after our marriage. BTW, he was wonderful during the dating phase. I don't fall for this behavior, as some people here thought was the case with "women who like this crap." My ex had a strategy to reel me into his world of fake sweetness - just to turn 180 after the wedding day. When you're in love, and especially when you depend on somenone, you start reacting to sh*t like this very strongly: you may go from breaking things to begging, but you can't stay indifferent for too long. These methods don't make a woman fall in love with a man. They only make her show her love in passionate ways, because she thinks she did something wrong and things could be saved. But deep down, her love is being shattered in pieces, day after day, and that love dies long before the woman shows - or even knows the love is dead. But the ego is still there fighting its battle, trying to win the irresistable, invincible man who looks around when she talks, uses her for sex, and compliments other women... With that being said, my ex who did these things to me and other women is now in his mid-50s, divorced 3 times, dating some scumbag. In my eyes he's just a big loser, a miserable, insecure shyt who will never find happiness in love and life. If that's the kind of success you want with women, go ahead and follow this advice. Edited December 12, 2011 by RecordProducer
Mme. Chaucer Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 I am asking this out of sincere curiosity: Do you guys think that it's appropriate for women to interact with men in an operant conditioning mode (punishment and reward) in order to "train" the guy to do what the woman wants (from her perspective, "good" behavior) and not to do what she dislikes, which would be labeled "bad behavior"? Or is this only correct, from your perspectives, for men to do to women? How would you react to seeing a post on a relationship forum populated by both sexes where a woman advised other women to PUNISH men for not doing what they want; i.e. what SHE considers "bad" behavior? I am not denying that some women as well as some men punish the people they are dating, or in relationships with when they aren't getting what they want. My question is to you men who are advising it to your fellows: do you think it's good advice for women as well? If it is, and if men and women aren't seeking the same thing … how does anybody win?
jobaba Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 (edited) PUA tactics at their highest level. This type of stuff only works if you have really good looks or status IMO, but it's worth a try. Maybe some guy here can get a date, try this stuff and tell us how it goes. Any takers? Perfect illustration of this stuff in action... For anybody here who doesn't think this stuff can work for CERTAIN guys, watch this clip. It really looks natural... Edited December 12, 2011 by jobaba
Janesays Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 1. I stop the conversation and say, "It seems to me that you're pretty distracted and not having a good time. So how about we cut the evening short?" 2. I'd say, "She's very lovely." I wouldn't care in the least if you thought she was lovely as well. Why would I? I've never felt the need to compete with other women. If you like her better, go for her. No skin off my nose. *shrugs 3. I have a busy schedule, so plans are made with me far in advance or not at all, so this one is impossible. After about 10 minutes of waiting, I'd just leave. You'd get no second date. 4. I'd tell you straight up, "Listen, if the only reason you're seeing me is you're trying to get laid, let me save you some time and effort, you're going nowhere. But it's cool. We can still be friends." Then I'd friend zone the hell out of you. Then again, I'm not an insecure little girl who dates insecure little boys. I'm a woman who has things going for her and is fortunate enough to be able to attract actual men.
Recommended Posts