The Tiger Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Al Pacino is brilliance! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlAm-ulpx84 Christoph Waltz is another actor, who is unbelievably talented. I thoroughly enjoyed watching him in Inglorious Bastards: Very different from "Ashton". And while I think Ashton Kutcher is a good actor (he has done some "serious" roles), I think his claim to fame is still one that consists of the "Kelso" character variety combined with strategic "branding" altogether (i.e. Nikon, trendy/infamous restaurants, Twitter, his relationship with Demi Moore, MTV's punked, etc.). It has given him a huge following among the masses. You don't even need serious aka drama roles to be considered a good actor. There are great and brilliant comedic actors. Kutcher is just mediocre all around. You're right that his fame post-That 70's Show is due more to strategic branding than any actual work he's done.
cerridwen Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 He's okay looking. No worse a talent than much of Hollywood.
SincereOnlineGuy Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 No, I do not find him attractive. I always think of Kelso from "That 70's Show". Hyde was cuter. "Hot Donna" was the best !!
Chubbi Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Yeah, Aston's pretty good-looking. Anyway, I disagree; there are a BUNCH of upcoming, hot young eyecandy. Hellloooooo can you forget Robert Pattinson, Taylor Lautner (TWILIGHT), which I may say has hit or is about to hit the 1 billion range mark for tickets sold, The guys in Teen Wolf, Ryan Gosling Daniel Radcliff and Harry Potter gang, Jaden Smith There are young sexy men going to be starring in Hunger Games, when it comes out next year. There was also a movie about a young, hot guy who had superpowers and had to try to hide them as he went to school. I forgot the name of it. My Mom loves the guy, I mean, movie. I must say, the Native American males in Twilight looked so beautiful in the last movie; their skin is so glorious on camera. Also, the Hawaiian guy, who plays Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones and the new Conan, yeah he's old but he's sexy I really love the new diversity in men coming up in 2011 movies. Maybe we do need mooore sexy men; I mean, I wouldn't turn it down. I'll buy a ticket too.
KathyM Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I don't think all actors should be serious , but you know, the barrel does have a bottom . Seeing various spinoffs of Kelso (who wasn't even remotely funny IMO) in every TV show and movie that seems to be coming out these days is pure agony. I don't know what the point is in making movies with talentless pretty people like Kutcher and Megan Fox. With women I understand it, since you guys love all that rom-com garbage, but with men it just blows my mind why anyone would pay to see a Megan Fox movie for the sake of Megan Fox considering the fact that I can look up one of Megan Fox's many porn star lookalikes and see her getting pissed on or taking 20 guys at once . The point of making movies with eye candy is that they are the type that people want to see in romantic movies, and those are the types of movies women want to see. I know he doesn't appeal to men. I realize his acting skills are not that great, but there is a huge market for that type of guy because of his looks. That's what women want to see, and there's not that many out there like him right now.
KathyM Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I don't think there are too few young good looking male actors today, I rather think there are too few young male actors with a strongly defined and iconic CHARACTER. And Ashton Kutcher DOES have a particular defined and iconic character, just like Al Pacino has a particular defined iconic character or Sylvester Stalone etc etc. They're just DIFFERENT defined and iconic characters. Young good looking men in film? Yes, plenty. Good looking young men with iconic characters that make them the walking talking superstars they are....not so much these days. In fact it's why I think the film industry is losing its shine. It also goes to show that it's hard to find actors who don't have bland characters. Regarding female characters I think Emma Stone is a new actress who has a defined and iconic character. Just think about it, how many people in your personal life do you know that have such a defined and iconic character that he/she could be an actor, a superstar, because they don't have bland characters and got that little extra X factor. I'd bet the number you'd come up with is very low. That's why I think Ashton Kutcher DOES have talent. It's easy criticizing him, but walk in his shoes for two weeks, then come back and say he doesn't have any talent. I agree with you, what I should say is there are very few young, good looking iconic actors right now. There was a good crop of good looking actors who are iconic who are now middle aged (Tom Cruise, Brad Pitt, Leo DeCaprio, etc.) I would say that Ashton is a mediocre actor, but his looks is what makes him iconic. I do actually know a couple of young men who are amazing characters and ooze personality and acting ability.
KathyM Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I don't think Ashton is talented at all. Say what you want about Charlie Sheen personally but he has 100 times better on Two and a Half Men than Ashton Kutcher. Also Tom Cruise while no Robert Deniro is a decent actor. He was great in Born on the Fourth of July. Brad Pitt was good in Inglorious Bastards and Leo is a good actor as well. Well, I'm not saying Ashton is a good actor, I'm saying he's good looking, and that is what seems to be in short supply in Hollywood, is iconic good looking young actors. As least as far as those that would be leading man material. I would agree with you that Brad Pitt and Leo are excellent actors, and Tom is O.K., but my point was that there used to be so many young good looking iconic actors who are now middle aged, and there's only one now that fits that category, which is Ashton.
KathyM Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Yeah, Aston's pretty good-looking. Anyway, I disagree; there are a BUNCH of upcoming, hot young eyecandy. Hellloooooo can you forget Robert Pattinson, Taylor Lautner (TWILIGHT), which I may say has hit or is about to hit the 1 billion range mark for tickets sold, The guys in Teen Wolf, Ryan Gosling Daniel Radcliff and Harry Potter gang, Jaden Smith There are young sexy men going to be starring in Hunger Games, when it comes out next year. There was also a movie about a young, hot guy who had superpowers and had to try to hide them as he went to school. I forgot the name of it. My Mom loves the guy, I mean, movie. I must say, the Native American males in Twilight looked so beautiful in the last movie; their skin is so glorious on camera. Also, the Hawaiian guy, who plays Khal Drogo in Game of Thrones and the new Conan, yeah he's old but he's sexy I really love the new diversity in men coming up in 2011 movies. Maybe we do need mooore sexy men; I mean, I wouldn't turn it down. I'll buy a ticket too. Taylor Lautner is overrated. And not that good looking, IMO. The rest you mentioned are not iconic at this point. I never cared much for the vampire shows or films.
Wolf18 Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 The point of making movies with eye candy is that they are the type that people want to see in romantic movies, and those are the types of movies women want to see. I know he doesn't appeal to men. I realize his acting skills are not that great, but there is a huge market for that type of guy because of his looks. That's what women want to see, and there's not that many out there like him right now. So you're telling me women are to blame for the fact that an authentically good movie hasn't come out in around 10-15 years? It seems every movie is a paper thin rehash of the same old crappy concepts, directed at the children, early teen and female demographic. If women want to see "eye candy" and nothing else (hey I thought women didn't care about looks ! Did you mean "Confidence Candy"? ), why don't you rent out a porno instead of ruining the cinema for everyone else?
Woggle Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 It'a not women. Studios simply care about money and quality be damned. The stuff they aim at men is just as bad. I hate bro comedies though the first Hangover was pretty good. I wish they still made movies like they did in the 70s. Where is the next Martin Scorsese?
snug.bunny Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 "Hot Donna" was the best !! Hot Donna had some!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5MfglLM50
melodymatters Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Wow, I must be really bored; it takes 6 hrs to make a genuine Italian red sauce on a Sunday so here goes:D: I find him incredibly hot. But, like men, I can separate " Wow, he's nice to look at" with " what a talented, cool human being he must be". He's got the hair, physique and face, and yes, we women LIKED it that he was cool enough to marry an older woman and be stepdad to three teenage girls for longer than most NON hollywood marriages last ! I'm neutral on his talent, and I have been in theatre professionally most of my life, but know that the " It" factor, and or likeability goes a looooong way. I personally would cast him pretty much as he's been cast all his life: " pretty, funny, goofy, guy you could have a beer with, but chicks like his looks." paradigm. I DO agree with Wolf I believe it was, and Woggle from another post, that MOST non teenagers would rather see actors with real faces, teeth, hair and bodies, than the barbie people we are being sold everyday. "Cinderella" has to be pretty and warm ( think Drew Barrymore), not a Silicone, Vegas stripper. So, I guess I fall somewhere in the middle of this very important and relevant discussion, lol
snug.bunny Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Oops, wrong link, that was a bit racy towards the end...
Negative Nancy Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 i gotta say ashton was hilarious in punk'd and when you see him in interviews he seems well-spoken and intelligent. and i'd rather see him in 2 1/2 men than charlie sheen. although, if AK did cheat on demi then he's a scumbag and not much better than sheen. still, sheen is the bigger headcase, so i'd still vote for AK.
Woggle Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Sheen is a complete wacko but the show was much better with him. You can be a horrible person or a trainwreck and still be talented. Charlie Sheen is simply a better actor than Ashton to me.
Negative Nancy Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I think a lot of women here loved (and now hate) Ashton Kutcher because it gives them the idea that when they turn 50, they too will have long term relationships with male models who are 15 years younger, no two ways about it But while he isn't really that different from most celebrities, there is just something especially stupid about him. But sorry, all the goofy kabbalah foreskin rituals on the planet weren't going to make a marriage with that sort of dynamic work. so you think the only relationships that don't work out are the ones between older women and younger men? obviously even couples around the same age do break up, even young women get cheated on, so your "theory" makes no sense. it was just a very obvious cheap shot at older women...easy to see through.
Wolf18 Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Sheen is a complete wacko but the show was much better with him. You can be a horrible person or a trainwreck and still be talented. Charlie Sheen is simply a better actor than Ashton to me. Charlie Sheen embodies machismo , and when he was on 2 1/2 men was not only the only funny Sitcom on TV, but also the only primetime TV show that was tailored specifically to a male demographic (one look at this years Fall primetime lineup you will see it's almost all for women, probably because men don't watch much TV anymore). The people who write the show knew that they would lose half their viewers by firing Sheen, so they brought Ashton Kutcher (who plays a billionaire, model looking...hopeless romantic ) and sought to tap into the mainstream woman-demographic to make up for it. The experiment is a failure because the general content is geared for males, but the plot devices and characters (one of which was nothing but a human pinata for Charlie to make fun of) are very effeminate with one of them being very good looking/rich, with the intent of capturing a female audience. Glad to see it failed.
tigressA Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 Kutcher's good-looking, but I don't think he's all that talented. His looks got him through the door and have pretty much kept him where he is. I too think there's a dearth of truly talented younger actors/actresses, as well as quality material for them to work with. The vast majority of movies and TV shows today are simply crap. More of the acting/writing talent is in the realm of live theater, IMO.
Wolf18 Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 so you think the only relationships that don't work out are the ones between older women and younger men? obviously even couples around the same age do break up, even young women get cheated on, so your "theory" makes no sense. it was just a very obvious cheap shot at older women...easy to see through. I didn't say that. What I did say was that if you're 50 , with a bunch of kids, and want to marry the 15 years younger flavor of the week, expect to have an "open relationship". Just so you know, I actually personally prefer the company of older women so I'm not making any shots at them. The older women I do hate are the ones who think getting plastic surgery and continuing their vapid ways will keep them young forever. The whole appeal of older women is that they hopefully learn there's more to life than being shiny and pretty, if you're going to be like demi moore and always be a stupid shallow broad then what are you other than an over the hill version of the typical mainstream 23 year old girl?
Negative Nancy Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 I didn't say that. What I did say was that if you're 50 , with a bunch of kids, and want to marry the 15 years younger flavor of the week, expect to have an "open relationship". Just so you know, I actually personally prefer the company of older women so I'm not making any shots at them. The older women I do hate are the ones who think getting plastic surgery and continuing their vapid ways will keep them young forever. The whole appeal of older women is that they hopefully learn there's more to life than being shiny and pretty, if you're going to be like demi moore and always be a stupid shallow broad then what are you other than an over the hill version of the typical mainstream 23 year old girl? why is that to be "expected"? so a younger man can't have true and honest feelings for an older women? then why even be with the old used up hag in the first place? by saying that it takes away your own credibility from your last comment because obviously you only "prefer" the company of older women for some ulterior motive then.
Wolf18 Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 why is that to be "expected"? so a younger man can't have true and honest feelings for an older women? then why even be with the old used up hag in the first place? by saying that it takes away your own credibility from your last comment because obviously you only "prefer" the company of older women for some ulterior motive then. Ok negative nancy, we're on two different planes here. My point is , in terms of social "status" worth, Ashton Kutcher is worth a lot more than Demi Moore. Do you really think someone with the personality required to be in Hollywood cares about whats on the inside? Maybe that's your fantasy when you flick yer bean to underwear models at night, but in the real world, no , they do not. I get along with older women better because they seem to be more interested in things other than whose got the most defined abs or the nicest car. But of course this is not true for all, Demi Moores no victim. Regardless, I'm sick of talking about celebrity gossip IMO celebrities should get the same treatment theatrical entertainers got in the Middle Ages.
KathyM Posted December 11, 2011 Posted December 11, 2011 So you're telling me women are to blame for the fact that an authentically good movie hasn't come out in around 10-15 years? It seems every movie is a paper thin rehash of the same old crappy concepts, directed at the children, early teen and female demographic. If women want to see "eye candy" and nothing else (hey I thought women didn't care about looks ! Did you mean "Confidence Candy"? ), why don't you rent out a porno instead of ruining the cinema for everyone else? There's been a lot of good movies that came out in the last 10-15 years. But I would agree with you that most movies of late have been duds. That's the fault of bad script writing, not the fault of women. The romantic movies will always be popular, because that's what women want to see, and it's usually the woman that picks the movie. Of course women care about looks. And they want to see the leading man as a dreamboat, ala Richard Gere in Pretty Woman. But I would agree with you that most movies today are not worth seeing.
musemaj11 Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 No homo, but I dont find Ashton Kutcher attractive. He doesnt look very manly. If I were a woman, I would prefer Josh Hartnett or Eric Winter.
jobaba Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 When people judge movie stars, they judge them compared to other movie stars. For example, I have a friend who says Cameron Diaz is not attractive. He's into Jessica Alba. But if he knew someone in real life who looked like Cameron Diaz and liked him, he'd be all over it. I'd bet my life on it. Similarly, if any of the women here who are saying Ashton Kutcher is unattractive or OK worked with a guy named Joe Neuhauser who looked just like Ashton Kutcher, they'd think he was hot. And they'd be all over him. Source: Life...
Woggle Posted December 12, 2011 Posted December 12, 2011 Cameron Diaz actually does not do much for me.
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