MrNate 2.0 Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 And what happened to mr 'pump and dump'? haven't seen him 'round these parts.
MrNate 2.0 Posted December 7, 2011 Posted December 7, 2011 I haven't received that private dance yet. Me, you, some baby oil and it's on:p;) I'm bringing a cowboy hat as well. It's western theme night.
shayla Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 In my experience, players are men with low self esteem who's self worth is attached to the numbers of women they can manipulate with their *cough* charm. They seek out women that are like them who attach their self worth to the attractiveness of the man that approach them...then they spend the "relationship" doing things and acting in ways to try to convince the man to choose them and dump the rest of the cast of thousands. But that victory is short lived because he is always on the prowl for the bigger better deal. No thanks!
Author joystickd Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 I don't think I understand the question. Is there a Harry Potter reference in there somewhere? I meant evil. I just said dark art to be funny.
Woggle Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 They are the used car salesmen of the dating world. Some people fall for it but people who are smarter see through their crap.
Author joystickd Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 Yeah like it's some black magic sh*t or something. A dude with wand and a hat. More like a penis and some willing girl's vagina. Have you noticed our resident troll has finally left the building, Oaks? I hope I don't jinx us by saying it:eek: Troll? Who me?
ShannonMI Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Troll? Who me? No, No Lenny Krevitz;) You remind me of him everytime I see your avatar. The troll that was blowing up LS a week or so ago. The one that was calling all the females cold sore covered whores?? You don't remember? You stuck up for us a few times.
ShannonMI Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I'm bringing a cowboy hat as well. It's western theme night. Ugh no cowboy sh*t. How about a cop theme? Handcuffs and your big, thick flashlight:lmao:
Author joystickd Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 No, No Lenny Krevitz;) You remind me of him everytime I see your avatar. The troll that was blowing up LS a week or so ago. The one that was calling all the females cold sore covered whores?? You don't remember? You stuck up for us a few times. Yeah ok. I got kind of confused. I was playing Assassins Creed and look on here
oaks Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I meant evil. I just said dark art to be funny. Generally I think that most players and player-wannabes are just jerks... They are the used car salesmen of the dating world. ... but I like Woggle's analogy.
Author joystickd Posted December 8, 2011 Author Posted December 8, 2011 When I went through my problems with women I had made a decision to learn the player lifestyle. A female friend told me not to do it. The way she said it was the equivalent of a jedi joining the dark side. I was at a point where I felt like I had nothing to lose. So I tried it and got a better response than my usual way of doing things. I spent years being the "nice" guy so I kind of enjoy doing what I do now. I wouldn't say I am a player.
Mme. Chaucer Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 They are the used car salesmen of the dating world. Some people fall for it but people who are smarter see through their crap. Right on!
Pizzaman81 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Ya I have been marked as a player by a few women. Maybe it is because. I strike up conversations with different women in a social event, maybe I have a player look whatever that means... Be regardless I am NOT a player
nofool4u Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 It's not an art. If the dude is hot and says some nice things and the chick is horny and/or has low self worth, her panties will come off. Simple as that:cool: yup, and they'll be complaining after the fact because they got, well, played:o
nofool4u Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 They are the used car salesmen of the dating world. Some people fall for it but people who are smarter see through their crap. And those that fall for it don't have a brain in their head.
somedude81 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 In my experience, players are men with low self esteem who's self worth is attached to the numbers of women they can manipulate with their *cough* charm. I think you're totally off-base. A man who has low-self esteem wouldn't even be able to be a player. Women simply wouldn't be attracted to him unless he was very good looking or rich. When I went through my problems with women I had made a decision to learn the player lifestyle. A female friend told me not to do it. The way she said it was the equivalent of a jedi joining the dark side. I was at a point where I felt like I had nothing to lose. So I tried it and got a better response than my usual way of doing things. I spent years being the "nice" guy so I kind of enjoy doing what I do now. I wouldn't say I am a player. How do you actually learn to be a player?
Imajerk17 Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Women are conflicted on this because on one hand they don't like them because of their choice of being with many women but like them because it makes them feel good because they were chosen out of many women. Real players don't come on Loveshack to ask questions like these. LOL
ThaWholigan Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Seduction is an art that everyone, male and female, who wants to achieve their goals in life should spend some time cultivating. Being able to "turn someone on" is an important part of dating, sex and relationships. This is the most accurate post in this whole thread and I wish that every guy having problems with attracting women (myself included) should take heed of this advice. When I went through my problems with women I had made a decision to learn the player lifestyle. A female friend told me not to do it. The way she said it was the equivalent of a jedi joining the dark side. I was at a point where I felt like I had nothing to lose. So I tried it and got a better response than my usual way of doing things. I spent years being the "nice" guy so I kind of enjoy doing what I do now. I wouldn't say I am a player. There are always going to be those that talk about that ***** to you to dissuade you, but the fact is you are doing this because it is in your best interests and it is easier to attract a woman by becoming more attractive and better at seduction, which is basically all a "player" does. You can learn this stuff WITHOUT being a player, it is not black and white, so you did the right thing. I think you're totally off-base. A man who has low-self esteem wouldn't even be able to be a player. Women simply wouldn't be attracted to him unless he was very good looking or rich. This is correct. Any man with a noticeable low self-esteem would have to be a magnificent actor to be able to attract women. And even then, one would never be able to keep up the pretense long enough to keep her around, and soon the lack of self worth will shine through. Men who are considered to be "players" are typically self-confident, secure and highly seductive, hence why they attract women so easily. How do you actually learn to be a player? It takes time building an attractive and fulfilling lifestyle for oneself, as well as developing attractive aspects of your personality and physicality. You also have to become a very sociable person, become charming, relaxed, tolerant and even develop leadership qualities. There are some attributes that you will develop that people will refer to as "manipulative" but the truth is that in order to make a success of your life and enable others around you to also have as much success as you, you are going to have to learn to "handle situations with dexterity", which will also require you to have some level of manipulation skills. Don't feel guilty about that, but at the same time, don't abuse these skills by hurting people indiscriminately.
Mme. Chaucer Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Any man with a noticeable low self-esteem would have to be a magnificent actor to be able to attract women. And even then, one would never be able to keep up the pretense long enough to keep her around, and soon the lack of self worth will shine through. Any man who tries to adopt all the behaviors and tricks promoted by the PUA gurus would have to be a magnificent actor to attract women, and even more so to keep one around. I really believe that men choose to "adopt a player lifestyle" only if they are having self esteem issues. That's not to say that true, natural lady-killers don't exist. I know they do! That said, I am not against learning how to be seductive - basically, I'm in favor of flirting and all kinds of social fun. I will draw the line with it being okay, though, when it involves purposefully misleading and even undermining another person in order to get something from them, whether that something is sex, a diamond ring, or a business deal.
Feelsgoodman Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 I will tell you that most women are not going to feel privileged about being picked out of many potential women for a self - proclaimed "player" to "bang." Yes, the usual low self esteem targets might (like attracts like). Generally, though, such guys are viewed as "dogs" and we all know what that means; they'll "bang" anything that will hold still long enough. Wow, your bitterness and man-hating attitude are clearly seeping through Why would a man who is good with women automatically be considered a "dog"? You are saying that a man cannot be charming, good looking, not interested in a long-term commitment with a single woman and have a discriminating taste? That doesn't even make any sense. Usually, it's the nice guys (who have dry spells for months or even years at a time and get horny and desperate) who would "bang anything that will hold still long enough". The people you call players can be much more selective about the women they choose to have sex with.
ThaWholigan Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Any man who tries to adopt all the behaviors and tricks promoted by the PUA gurus would have to be a magnificent actor to attract women, and even more so to keep one around. I really believe that men choose to "adopt a player lifestyle" only if they are having self esteem issues. That's not to say that true, natural lady-killers don't exist. I know they do! That said, I am not against learning how to be seductive - basically, I'm in favor of flirting and all kinds of social fun. I will draw the line with it being okay, though, when it involves purposefully misleading and even undermining another person in order to get something from them, whether that something is sex, a diamond ring, or a business deal. Always with the PUA . PUA isn't exactly what I was getting at, but having studied it, I have found it to be misunderstood. Like I said, it is akin to turning it into a black and white issue when there are many shades of grey. I think there is some truth to what you say about adopting a player lifestyle to combat their self-esteem issues, but the reason why they do that is because more often than not, it is extremely useful in combating those issues as well as being able to get a date. Most of the advice that I read from so-called "PUA literature" was actually more useful than any advice I got from anywhere else, and for that reason I see many positives. I have no desire to become a PUA or a "player", but I do wish to be attractive enough to be able to date the women I desire, and "adopting a player lifestyle" will aid you more than most of the clichés that people come out with will . The bolded is basically the bulk of PUA literature. Some sections emphasize tricks & deceit, and the rest will explain that you will have to undergo serious self-development. I feel that PUA is slightly misunderstood personally. It helped me have a better understanding and better social skills.
Feelsgoodman Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Any man who tries to adopt all the behaviors and tricks promoted by the PUA gurus would have to be a magnificent actor to attract women, and even more so to keep one around. You really should stop visiting those PUA websites. PUA is nothing more than a financial scam...a package of useless cliches and gimmicks wrapped in the promise of sex that is marketed to lonely, desperate and socially awkward men. Most of those "PUAs" couldn't get laid if their life depended on it. Real "players" (for lack of a better term) are nothing like those PUAs who approach women at bars and try to "neg" them or whatever it is those people do. Real players use their natural charm and ability to manipulate a woman's emotions to get what they want.
ThaWholigan Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Wow, your bitterness and man-hating attitude are clearly seeping through Why would a man who is good with women automatically be considered a "dog"? You are saying that a man cannot be charming, good looking, not interested in a long-term commitment with a single woman and have a discriminating taste? That doesn't even make any sense. Usually, it's the nice guys (who have dry spells for months or even years at a time and get horny and desperate) who would "bang anything that will hold still long enough". The people you call players can be much more selective about the women they choose to have sex with. Precisely. Most of the guys I know that are considered "players", are actually more honest with women and actually more discriminating about the women in their lives. They are far from dogs. In contrast, the majority of other guys I have met, from the desperate to the nice guys, to the insecure arrogant ones, are the horny ones who never get laid, never get the women they think they deserve, and generally let this ruin their dating lives and their rational thinking, leading them to either become bitter about women, social hermits, or simply just maligned in the dating world. Some even turn gay simply because it's easier, even if they aren't actually homosexual (have seen this happen).
ThaWholigan Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 You really should stop visiting those PUA websites. PUA is nothing more than a financial scam...a package of useless cliches and gimmicks wrapped in the promise of sex that is marketed to lonely, desperate and socially awkward men. Most of those "PUAs" couldn't get laid if their life depended on it. Real "players" (for lack of a better term) are nothing like those PUAs who approach women at bars and try to "neg" them or whatever it is those people do. Real players use their natural charm and ability to manipulate a woman's emotions to get what they want. As much as I have defended PUA, this much is true, a lot of them I feel are scammers to an extent. I think it is more a case of gleaning the positives out of their work, which is overpriced and overdrawn. I didn't buy it, I just illegally downloaded most of it and read it. Some was downright creepy. Some was really excellent (Carlos Xuma's Power Social Skills program was an eye opener). Some had lots of good stuff mixed in with stuff that seemed amoral. It's not perfect but its a start and it works. I have been recommended other dating advice, but most of it was wishy-washy and didn't work for me, so PUA was a better option for me personally. And I don't neg people or any of that stupid stuff that I read in the Mystery Method. Mystery Method only works for Mystery and people like him (he is a tall magician who uses NLP).
Mme. Chaucer Posted December 8, 2011 Posted December 8, 2011 Honestly, though I rag about PUA stuff, I don't care about what people do to try to have a better time with the opposite sex. It's like "The Rules" was for women. I think it's lame, but if it leads somebody to a good place, then it's okay by me. It's the negative, ugly stuff like trying to "prey on her insecurity," and the positioning of the whole construct of dating as "us vs. them" with clear cut winners and losers (the winners being a guy who tricked a woman into having sex with him, and the loser being the woman who had sex) that makes me cringe. As I said, I'm not in favor of manipulation and dishonesty to get what you want in any area of life, regardless of gender.
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