dasein Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Wow Daesin that's no different than the rape defense of "well look what she was wearing" So what I take from this thread is never believe what a woman tells you and if you do you are an idiot. Sounds like sage advice to me Huh? on the rape defense part. The last woman I dated like this was a young woman who was very aggressive in pursuing me, not stalky, just aggressive in ways women normally aren't with me. She was gorgeous, totally nice and fun to be around, and had lots of male attention, but got latched on me somehow. I got a weird vibe, so terminated after the second date before the sleepover date she talked about wanting next. She was pregnant and engaged to some schmo within two months of dating me. Come to find out, her younger sister was engaged and marrying soon. Do the math. There are indeed lots of women out there that when they get ready, they just start lining up a few prospects, and then lo and behold they are suddenly pregnant and engaged. This isn't evil, but it is manipulative, and happens every day to unwitting men before they are ready. Once the bun is in the oven, though, too bad so sad, it's over. It's not something to be paranoid about, but to be aware of in dealing with women today.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Yes. It's his fault for thinking he doesn't need to use protection. Everyone who is having sex needs to use protection. Not just women! Men need to take some responsibility too. If the woman is doing her part and taking the pill, the man needs to do his part and wear a condom. Then there's no chance of an accident. Men can't complain about an unwanted pregnancy when they're not doing anything to prevent it. Accidents happen, even when the woman is on the pill. If you think birth control is the woman's problem, then you deserve what you get. No it isn't his fault. It would be his fault if he 'knew' there was a risk but went ahead anyway. If I eat a poisoned meal, not realising it's poisned, and then I die from it, does that mean it was my fault, does that mean I deserved it?
Eeyore79 Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 It's not enough to use a condom. YOU be the one to dispose of it. Flush it down the toilet yourself or bring a snack sized ziploc baggie and take it home with you. Flushing it isn't a great idea, it blocks the drains. Just rinse it out under the faucet before you trash it. I've also heard that some men pour hot sauce into the condom before tying it up. I saw something online about a woman being rushed to hospital after attempting to inseminate herself with a condom full of hot sauce
irc333 Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Flushing it isn't a great idea, it blocks the drains. Just rinse it out under the faucet before you trash it. I've also heard that some men pour hot sauce into the condom before tying it up. I saw something online about a woman being rushed to hospital after attempting to inseminate herself with a condom full of hot sauce Take a match to it, incineration is the best lol Get this, I actually went out with a couple of woman that actually, medically, due to some kind of health condition, lost the abilty to have children. One had something called "Endometriousis" (not sure of the spelling) where....something happened with her Fallopion tubes, and she can't have kids....and another woman, a while back....had contracted an STD from her ex that cheated on her....it was a bacterial STD that was one of those STD's that does clear up...eventually....but left scaring in the lining of her ueterus that too, that lost ability to have children. Sad stories, but that being said, can a guy have sex with said women in those situations without using a condom and the issue of pregnancy? Edited December 4, 2011 by irc333
Ross MwcFan Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Oranges and apples. ANYONE engaging in sex KNOWS that there's an inherent risk of pregnancy involved. No matter WHAT kind of birth control is used. It's not a matter of 'deserving' anything. But when you unzip your zipper, you're taking a RISK. Period. It does no good to blame someone else because you chose to be foolish and not protect yourself CORRECTLY. I didn't know there was a risk if a woman was on the pill.
aj22one Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I didn't know there was a risk if a woman was on the pill. Handy chart for your convenience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_birth_control_methods
Ross MwcFan Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Interesting, I had no idea the failure rates were that high for the pill and condoms.
aj22one Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I once worked with a woman who was so paranoid about unwanted pregnancy that she made her husband get a vasectomy, wear condoms, and pull out. And...she was on the pill. Crazy...
phineas Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Where do you get your information? Vasectomies are extremely safe and effective. Umm, what part of MY FRIENDS as the source of my info didn't you understand? reading comprehension 101 is usually a free class at most colleges. I suggest you take it. It is more dangerous for a woman to get her tubes tied and to give birth. I think you have a secret wish to get a woman pregnant. with that comment I think you are secretly retarded.
phineas Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Interesting, I had no idea the failure rates were that high for the pill and condoms. I've blown rubber up to the size Dirigibles I honestly do not know how someone can break one during sex. I never have. Also, according to the family Dr. the pill doesn't fail women, women fail the pill. Forgetting to take it, taking certain drugs, too much booze can also affect the pill. ect. but usually not taking it is where it fails most.
dasein Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I've blown rubber up to the size Dirigibles I honestly do not know how someone can break one during sex. I never have. Me neither, I unwisely left the same one on for three rounds once (young guys just learning, never do this, no matter how overjoyed you are to "beat the refractory period" from time to time, put on a new hat every round), and it slipped off, but that was just the once. All the failure rate stuff says that proper use is assumed, but like so many other lies tossed at us from every angle today, I suspect some statistical chicanery in the condom failure rate stats.
aj22one Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I've blown rubber up to the size Dirigibles I honestly do not know how someone can break one during sex. I never have. Also, according to the family Dr. the pill doesn't fail women, women fail the pill. Forgetting to take it, taking certain drugs, too much booze can also affect the pill. ect. but usually not taking it is where it fails most. Exactly. Perfect use is over 99% effective, even "typical" use is over 90%. So if the pill fails is more likely than not because of ineffective use not because of the pill itself. My gf is does the monthly injection birth control. FAR more effective than the pill, which is good for both of us.
Cypress25 Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 No it isn't his fault. It would be his fault if he 'knew' there was a risk but went ahead anyway. There is always a risk, even if the woman is on the pill. No form of contraception is 100% effective. Everyone knows that. The pill can fail, condoms can fail, anything can fail. That's why you double up on protection. So if one method fails, you've got a backup method. I didn't know there was a risk if a woman was on the pill. Are you kidding me?! How ignorant can you get? Listen, the pill is 99% effective with perfect use. That means 1% of women on the pill will get pregnant anyway, even if they take it perfectly. Then there's the matter of imperfect use. You know, the woman who usually takes the pill every day, but forgets one day. By missing just one pill, the risk goes up. Or if the woman is taking other medication that makes her BC pill less effective, the risk goes up. It is not just the woman's responsibility to prevent pregnancy. Putting 100% of the burden on the woman makes you a selfish jerk. Women can't get pregnant by themselves, so why should women be the only ones worrying about birth control? As a man, you are equally responsible for practicing safe sex. You don't get special privileges just because you have a penis.
aj22one Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Are you kidding me?! How ignorant can you get? Listen, the pill is 99% effective with perfect use. That means 1% of women on the pill will get pregnant anyway, even if they take it perfectly. Then there's the matter of imperfect use. You know, the woman who usually takes the pill every day, but forgets one day. By missing just one pill, the risk goes up. Or if the woman is taking other medication that makes her BC pill less effective, the risk goes up. It is not just the woman's responsibility to prevent pregnancy. Putting 100% of the burden on the woman makes you a selfish jerk. Women can't get pregnant by themselves, so why should women be the only ones worrying about birth control? As a man, you are equally responsible for practicing safe sex. You don't get special privileges just because you have a penis. I think that's a little extreme to say that. Every couple approaches things differently. Once our tests came back establishing that we were both clean, my girlfriend told me to stop using condoms. Obviously, I had no objections, but she chose to go on birth control so that when she was in a relationship no condoms would be necessary. I don't think I'm a selfish jerk for allowing her to take responsibility that she wants to have. If tomorrow she decided to start making me wear a condom I would do so (even though I would prefer not to).
sweetjasmine Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 Then there's the matter of imperfect use. You know, the woman who usually takes the pill every day, but forgets one day. By missing just one pill, the risk goes up. Or if the woman is taking other medication that makes her BC pill less effective, the risk goes up. Or if you vomit or come down with diarrhea. According to my doc, the one I'm on has a 20 minute window in terms of timing. If you take it 2 hours late, that's already imperfect use. And then there are things which may interfere with absorption, like Vitamin C. Most health professionals I've talked to focus on the big problems - missing a pill, vomiting, diarrhea, antibiotics, St. John's wort - and don't bother worrying people with the long list of additional potential problems. Drinking a glass of orange juice isn't going to have the same risk as missing a pill, but most people have no idea that what you consume can have an effect as well.
ShannonMI Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 I once worked with a woman who was so paranoid about unwanted pregnancy that she made her husband get a vasectomy, wear condoms, and pull out. And...she was on the pill. Crazy... Crazy is right. This is the type of woman that could NEVER enjoy sex because she would worry non-stop about getting pregnant. Sad
allina Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 It is not just the woman's responsibility to prevent pregnancy. Putting 100% of the burden on the woman makes you a selfish jerk. Women can't get pregnant by themselves, so why should women be the only ones worrying about birth control? As a man, you are equally responsible for practicing safe sex. You don't get special privileges just because you have a penis. Eh, yes of course it takes two, but as a woman I DO believe that it is more our responsibility. Like it or not it is the woman who has the most BC options, it is the woman who decides to carry or terminate a pregnancy and it is the woman who gives birth. So if women have all the power when it comes to the reproductive decisions they should carry the responsibility. Further, I think that as long as we continue to subsidize women popping out kid after kid that was not planned for by BOTH parents and cannot be financially supported we will have issues. I've heard women say "I'm a single mother of 3!" like that's a good thing.
Author FitChick Posted December 4, 2011 Author Posted December 4, 2011 So if a woman is on the pill (and today's pills are ALOT less effective than they were in the 70's and 80's) and accidentally gets pregnant - and abortion is against her moral beliefs - the guy gets to go off scott-free while she's burdened for life? I don't understand why adoption has ceased to be an option. It's either abortion or being stuck with an unwanted kid. Adoption is the perfect solution. A happy infertile couple, a happy child that is loved and wanted, and the taxpayer doesn't have to pay. Win-win for all concerned.
mr.dream merchant Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 There's a male birth control pill? Where dude?!
Author FitChick Posted December 4, 2011 Author Posted December 4, 2011 I once worked with a woman who was so paranoid about unwanted pregnancy that she made her husband get a vasectomy, wear condoms, and pull out. And...she was on the pill. Crazy... If she was really that concerned I wonder why she didn't have her tubes tied.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 4, 2011 Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) There is always a risk, even if the woman is on the pill. No form of contraception is 100% effective. Everyone knows that. The pill can fail, condoms can fail, anything can fail. That's why you double up on protection. So if one method fails, you've got a backup method. Are you kidding me?! How ignorant can you get? Listen, the pill is 99% effective with perfect use. That means 1% of women on the pill will get pregnant anyway, even if they take it perfectly. Then there's the matter of imperfect use. You know, the woman who usually takes the pill every day, but forgets one day. By missing just one pill, the risk goes up. Or if the woman is taking other medication that makes her BC pill less effective, the risk goes up. It is not just the woman's responsibility to prevent pregnancy. Putting 100% of the burden on the woman makes you a selfish jerk. Women can't get pregnant by themselves, so why should women be the only ones worrying about birth control? As a man, you are equally responsible for practicing safe sex. You don't get special privileges just because you have a penis. I can't help it if I didn't know. I've never had a sex life before, so I've never had any need to look into contraception. But it looks like I may end up having sex now though due to certain circumstances. I always genuinley thought the pill stopped pregnancy, the thought that I could be wrong and that I should start doing research on the pill just never occured to me. I couldn't help that, it doesn't make me a bad person, and it doesn't mean that I deserve eveything I'd get if I did get someone pregnant because I thought the pill would stop pregancy and so therefore I would have to use a condom. Edited December 4, 2011 by Ross MwcFan
phineas Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 She can't get pregnant from anal. just saying. And I love to see her try and artificially inseminate herself with THAT payload.
fortyninethousand322 Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 She can't get pregnant from anal. just saying. And I love to see her try and artificially inseminate herself with THAT payload. There was a story I guess it was about two years ago where a woman who was born without a vagina got pregnant after giving oral sex to her boyfriend. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/teen-girl-vagina-pregnant-sperm-survival-oral-sex/story?id=9732562#.TtwlrmPTpuc
carhill Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Also, re anal sex, the anus and vaginal opening are pretty close to each other. Any seminal 'spillage' could find its way into the vagina and onward. Anything is possible. Probable? Perhaps not.
Cypress25 Posted December 5, 2011 Posted December 5, 2011 Eh, yes of course it takes two, but as a woman I DO believe that it is more our responsibility. Like it or not it is the woman who has the most BC options, it is the woman who decides to carry or terminate a pregnancy and it is the woman who gives birth. So if women have all the power when it comes to the reproductive decisions they should carry the responsibility. I don't really see it as power to be the one who decides between abortion and carrying an unwanted pregnancy to term. Both options suck, and it's the woman who has to suffer through either an abortion or pregnancy. It's better to avoid that situation entirely, and the best way to do that is doubling up on methods (condom + pill, for example). I'm not saying women shouldn't take any responsibility, I'm saying the responsibility should be shared. Leaving it entirely up to the woman makes it more likely that she will have to make that horrible choice between abortion and pregnancy. Which seems very unfair, considering that the man and woman are each 50% responsible for that pregnancy. The woman is no more responsible for it than the man. They both had the same amount of sex. I don't understand why adoption has ceased to be an option. It's either abortion or being stuck with an unwanted kid. Adoption is the perfect solution. A happy infertile couple, a happy child that is loved and wanted, and the taxpayer doesn't have to pay. Win-win for all concerned. Adoption is still an option, but many people don't consider it because it's very difficult for the mother. And some women just don't want to endure pregnancy or childbirth, and so they opt for an abortion. But really, in the case of an unwanted pregnancy, there are no good options for the woman. She just has to pick the lesser of 3 evils. There's a male birth control pill? Where dude?! LOL, it's not available yet. I believe it's still in the testing phase. But pretty soon, maybe within the next 5 years, there will be a daily pill for men that can temporarily lower their sperm count to almost zero. Sounds good, but I wonder how many men would be willing to take it. Or how many men would remember to take it every day, lol. If she was really that concerned I wonder why she didn't have her tubes tied. It's actually very difficult to find a doctor who's willing to perform a tubal ligation on young women with no kids. I'm 26 and I've been asking about it since I was 18, and I have yet to find a doctor who believes me when I say I don't want kids. Male and female doctors alike. And yet, a 26-year-old man with no kids can get a vasectomy at the drop of a hat. I can't help it if I didn't know. I've never had a sex life before, so I've never had any need to look into contraception. But it looks like I may end up having sex now though due to certain circumstances. I always genuinley thought the pill stopped pregnancy, the thought that I could be wrong and that I should start doing research on the pill just never occured to me. I couldn't help that, it doesn't make me a bad person, and it doesn't mean that I deserve eveything I'd get if I did get someone pregnant because I thought the pill would stop pregancy and so therefore I would have to use a condom. Then this forum just saved your life! No, you're not a bad person, you just need to educate yourself. Didn't you have sex ed in high school? Someone should have taught you a long time ago.
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