FitChick Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Men, you need to either have a vasectomy or be more proactive in preventing what happened to this man (and which seems to be happening more frequently). It will save you over a hundred thousand dollars in child support. A vasectomy is much cheaper, don't you think?
dasein Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Couldn't agree more, men who are lazy and "leave it up to her" deserve what they get. The crisis in unplanned pregnancy and childbirth is the responsibility of all to address, and doesn't just rest on women.
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Men, you need to either have a vasectomy or be more proactive in preventing what happened to this man (and which seems to be happening more frequently). It will save you over a hundred thousand dollars in child support. A vasectomy is much cheaper, don't you think? "Deceptive use of sperm" Hahahahahahahahahahahaha love that:lmao: Yeah boys, seriously think about getting snipped or at least when the male BC pill comes out, f*cking take it.
DearAbby Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 This is a really extreme case. I agree people need to be more proactive; however, the girl was obviously mentally not well.
FrustrationSetsIn Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Men, you need to either have a vasectomy or be more proactive in preventing what happened to this man (and which seems to be happening more frequently). It will save you over a hundred thousand dollars in child support. A vasectomy is much cheaper, don't you think? Pshaaa a vacetomy! I've been using "just the tip" since I was in high school. Hasn't failed me yet.
Soxfaninfl Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I use condoms since I want to have more kids someday. To get a vasectomy reversed is probably expensive. I agree I woundn't trust a women on BC cause all it takes is for her to forget to take it once.
Ross MwcFan Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Couldn't agree more, men who are lazy and "leave it up to her" deserve what they get. The crisis in unplanned pregnancy and childbirth is the responsibility of all to address, and doesn't just rest on women. So a guy who genuinley thought his sex partner was on the pill and therefore thinks that he doesn't need to use protection, deserves it if the woman is just conning him and he ends up with a kid that he has to pay support for?
dasein Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 the girl was obviously mentally not well. Mentally not well in the exact same way that millions of young women in the U.S. get mentally not well when they decide "it's time to have my baby." In the past, social stigma curbed the maternal impulse, and unmarried teen mothers were treated and viewed in accordance with their massive level of irresponsibility. For men also, sleeping with a woman outside marriage would get a visit from her family members, maybe even with a shotgun. Today it is practically celebrated.
ditzchic Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 This case seems pretty extreme.... I mean obviously this girl was a bag full of nuts. I agree that men should take responsibility for making sure they don't procreate as well. But part of that responsibility should be to STOP DONATING SPERM TO B*TCHES THAT ARE BAT SHIZZ CRAZY!! It doesn't matter how nice her rack is or how fun of a toss in the hay you think she'll be. Just don't do it. It's always a bad idea.
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Pshaaa a vacetomy! I've been using "just the tip" since I was in high school. Hasn't failed me yet. Just the tip? No girl has complained about wanting the whole enchilada? Hahahahahahahaha a tip would never satisfy me:laugh:
dasein Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 So a guy who genuinley thought his sex partner was on the pill and therefore thinks that he doesn't need to use protection, deserves it if the woman is just conning him and he ends up with a kid that he has to pay support for? IMO absolutely, a man who fails to understand the power of the maternal instinct in many women is a fool who deserves what he gets. Every man is responsible for a combination of understanding the timing and process of his partner's menstrual cycle, learning to control his ejaculate/pre ejaculate process, containing baby batter once it's outside the body, using condoms correctly, and understanding female birth control options as applicable to his partner. It looks like lots typed out, but really isn't that big a deal in practice.
Fondue Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I been reading about that kind of stuff or ages now, it's one of the reasons why I am so weary around relationships. And if sexual intercourse is involved in any kind of contact with a woman, I try to be safe as hell. There is no way I am having a child. With that said, the male birth control pill can't come soon enough.
FrustrationSetsIn Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Just the tip? No girl has complained about wanting the whole enchilada? Hahahahahahahaha a tip would never satisfy me:laugh: No complaints yet. It's like trying to squeeze the Incredible Hulk in a VW bug (okay not really but given this is the internet I'm allowed quite some leeway on exaggeration)
Nexus One Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I know a guy who's girlfriend told him she was on birth control, while in fact she wasn't. She got pregnant and left the country with the child. The guy will probably never see his kid again. The same guy later got another girlfriend. She too wanted a kid, but didn't tell him. So one day after a 1.5 year relationship she suddenly left him. 3 weeks after she left him she got pregnant from some other guy she barely knew. The ironic thing was that he did want to have child with her, but she never indicated that to him. He had to hear it from her family that she wanted a child and that that was the reason she left him. He said he would have wanted a child with her, if only he knew she wanted it too. Same guy again, he makes out with some random girl and she wants to have sex, but she tells him "there's no need for a condom if you don't want to". He replied: "Are you f*cking crazy?". The thing is that many women at some point in their lives get a strong biological urge for a child. That urge in men probably doesn't get nearly as strong. I haven't had such an urge yet, but it may come at some point. I heard it's around age 35 that guys start feeling such an urge. I do keep it open as an option and haven't made up my mind up yet. I think it's a huge responsibility and not something to take lightly. In my opinion too many people take the decision too lightly. The proof for this is that according to multiple studies, most people are unhappy the first 7 years after they get their first child. I think that's because many pregnancies are unplanned, not thought through well enough, the responsibilities are underestimated and due to a whole bunch of other similar reasons. From an article I read about the results of a study, the conclusion was that often women have to convince their men to have a child, after which the men often tend to cave if they're in the right phase of their life. I think it makes sense given the fact that women generally feel the urge for children more strongly and that guys tend to be a bit more stand-off-ish about it.
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 No complaints yet. It's like trying to squeeze the Incredible Hulk in a VW bug (okay not really but given this is the internet I'm allowed quite some leeway on exaggeration) Hahahahaha damn you're funny:lmao:
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I been reading about that kind of stuff or ages now, it's one of the reasons why I am so weary around relationships. And if sexual intercourse is involved in any kind of contact with a woman, I try to be safe as hell. There is no way I am having a child. With that said, the male birth control pill can't come soon enough. I wish all men thought this way. I don't want a kid either. I hope when the man pill comes out, dudes will be lining up to take it. For some reason I doubt that will happen though.
carhill Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 A vasectomy is much cheaper, don't you think? Absolutely, and that's my advice to any man who is sure he doesn't want children. If he does, but not right now, then condoms, no if's and's or but's. It's not that I don't trust women with birth control, it's that I trust myself with it more. As to the cited case, while perhaps extreme, presents potential concepts which can be fodder for continued challenges to the laws currently extant, to clarify them, reflective of the realities of relationships and science at this particular point in history. The way I've always looked at it, assuming I'm not shooting blanks, is that any relationship with a woman had the potential to become a 'with child' situation, hence why I never engaged in casual sex. Short-sighted? Perhaps. There certainly is no prize for being responsible other than perhaps one's own personal satisfaction with being so. The outside world doesn't really care.
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I know a guy who's girlfriend told him she was on birth control, while in fact she wasn't. She got pregnant and left the country with the child. The guy will probably never see his kid again. The same guy later got another girlfriend. She too wanted a kid, but didn't tell him. So one day after a 1.5 year relationship she suddenly left him. 3 weeks after she left him she got pregnant from some other guy she barely knew. The ironic thing was that he did want to have child with her, but she never indicated that to him. He had to hear it from her family that she wanted a child and that that was the reason she left him. He said he would have wanted a child with her, if only he knew she wanted it too. Same guy again, he makes out with some random girl and she wants to have sex, but she tells him "there's no need for a condom if you don't want to". He replied: "Are you f*cking crazy?". The thing is that many women at some point in their lives get a strong biological urge for a child. That urge in men probably doesn't get nearly as strong. I haven't had such an urge yet, but it may come at some point. I heard it's around age 35 that guys start feeling such an urge. I do keep it open as an option and haven't made up my mind up yet. I think it's a huge responsibility and not something to take lightly. In my opinion too many people take the decision too lightly. The proof for this is that according to multiple studies, most people are unhappy the first 7 years after they get their first child. I think that's because many pregnancies are unplanned, not thought through well enough, the responsibilities are underestimated and due to a whole bunch of other similar reasons. From an article I read about the results of a study, the conclusion was that often women have to convince their men to have a child, after which the men often tend to cave if they're in the right phase of their life. I think it makes sense given the fact that women generally feel the urge for children more strongly and that guys tend to be a bit more stand-off-ish about it. Bolded part....he should consider himself lucky that she took off. But what's probably going to happen is that she'll come back years from now and demand back child support and he'll be stuck paying thousands of dollars. Moral of the story: WRAP THAT SH*T UP BOYS!!!!
Author FitChick Posted December 3, 2011 Author Posted December 3, 2011 It's not enough to use a condom. YOU be the one to dispose of it. Flush it down the toilet yourself or bring a snack sized ziploc baggie and take it home with you. There have been many more cases of women using the condom full of semen for self-insemination. I'd be curious if there was a release a woman could sign before having sex saying she was using birth control and if she got pregnant the man wouldn't have to pay child support.
ptp Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Men, you need to either have a vasectomy or be more proactive in preventing what happened to this man (and which seems to be happening more frequently). It will save you over a hundred thousand dollars in child support. A vasectomy is much cheaper, don't you think? Right so you are advocating a man should have a vasectomy, because a woman can't be trusted? smh.... You don't even specify what age range you are talking about. Guys if you can't trust your woman you shouldn't be having sex with her or at the very least use a condom.
dasein Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I'd be curious if there was a release a woman could sign before having sex saying she was using birth control and if she got pregnant the man wouldn't have to pay child support. Not in the U.S., current public policy dictates that the reproductive rights of women and the obligation to support children trumps contract rights.
ShannonMI Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 It's not enough to use a condom. YOU be the one to dispose of it. Flush it down the toilet yourself or bring a snack sized ziploc baggie and take it home with you. There have been many more cases of women using the condom full of semen for self-insemination. I'd be curious if there was a release a woman could sign before having sex saying she was using birth control and if she got pregnant the man wouldn't have to pay child support. OMG imagine fishing through the garbage to find a condom full of jizz? F*cking disgusting. A woman that stoops to such ridiculous levels should not have children.:sick: She should be committed.
irc333 Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I think it makes sense given the fact that women generally feel the urge for children more strongly and that guys tend to be a bit more stand-off-ish about it. That's why I tend to be one of those rare guys that don't try chasing younger women.....I either try to date single mothers, who have "Been there done that" with the marriage, kids, etc...because they're pretty much willing never to do it again. Though, I Have met some women, suprisingly, my age 40+, that want kids (if they don't have them). Not really a good move at that age, and I figured by that age, they'd lack the desire to have children by the age of 40. I have met some single moms, that had been divorced, had kids....and still want MORE kids (but that's rare)
aj22one Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 Eh, most of the women I've dated don't want to get pregnant until married, including my current gf. My gf's family is ok with her and I dating but, they don't know that she's sleeping with me and they would very much look down on an unplanned pregnancy/out of wedlock pregnancy. She also doesn't like condoms (nor do I) so she's on birth control. Stupid? Probably. But it's a chance I'll take.
ditzchic Posted December 3, 2011 Posted December 3, 2011 I'd be curious if there was a release a woman could sign before having sex saying she was using birth control and if she got pregnant the man wouldn't have to pay child support. You do realize that no birth control method is 100%, right? Every method is fallible in some way and not all ways are because of human error. Sometimes sh*t just happens. Most women aren't looking to baby trap you. You should be aware of that before sticking your junk in someone.
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