the wizard Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Ok, I'm chiming in here late, but it's pretty obvious why D86 is getting responses. 1) He's good looking. Some can claim otherwise, but he's got that in-shape "bad boy" edge about him. He might not look as "hot" as David Beckham or George Clooney, but he also doesn't look like some bland Average Joe. 2) He's got interests women like. Concerts, photography, traveling, trying new things, motorcycles, athletics, and especially the charity work. You can all knock it, but he comes off as the rugged masculine man who loves kids and has a sensitive side. Yeah, he plays video games, but to women they see that as a tiny aspect when they see it all. He's the guy whom they can go to a concert with, the guy who will take trips with them, the guy who owns a motorcycle she can ride on the back of, and especially the guy who likes kids and is more likely looking for commitment over "just sex" 3) He's established. "started a business in the automotive industry" He's not some shlep who's working for someone making a "whatever" or "average" pay, but the guy who owns his own business, it's the boss, and thus is the confident alpha male. 4) His profile is personable. He comes off as friendly, personable, confident, and "not trying too hard". He's not trying like crazy to please a girl to reply, but he comes off as himself. Girls can see the difference between the profiles that are genuine versus ones that pander. And you might then think "my profile is genuine", but I roll back to #2 and #3. Do you do any of those things? Or just guy-centric things that women aren't into? That's the secret of success...you have to be the guy women want...not hope women will just take you "as is" when you are not what they want. Be yourself, but if yourself isn't very diverse and is very bland, then you'll fail. My own fiance fell for me because I was confident, I had a strong career, cooked (turns a lot of women on), shot photos, traveled, etc. Lmao, man, you fellas on here make things so much more complicated than they need to be.
Author D86 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 grkBoy, I can tell you're a smart dude with pretty high IQ and good analytical reasoning. Unfortunately, most people on this forum won't listen to you. Most guys here are as stubborn lot as I've ever seen and will continue their misguided misogynistic whining till the end of days. I've tried to be helpful to, posting what has worked for me and they could care less. Your quest is fruitless bro, unfortunately, this is not the right place or the right audience. You are attractive as well. Are you short though? For some reason you look short to me. Not saying that's a bad thing, but some women don't dig short guys. I'm about average, 5'8 and a half. With shoes with small heel I'm 5'10, that's what I put on profile since I do wear shoes mostly, not flip flops lol. My ex was 5'7 and I don't think I look short next to most girls: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/542/alex13b.jpg/
Wolf18 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Yesssss tats on guys are hot. On girls, not so much. And your profile was a bit long winded. You may be right about them not reading it. They may have skimmed. I skimmed:o Would you reconsider if i tattooed your name to my ass cheek??
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 My profile is here I do get more responses and unsolicited mails than most on this forum seem to report, but still nowhere near what the OP is claiming. your physique is hot
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Ok, I'm chiming in here late, but it's pretty obvious why D86 is getting responses. 1) He's good looking. Some can claim otherwise, but he's got that in-shape "bad boy" edge about him. He might not look as "hot" as David Beckham or George Clooney, but he also doesn't look like some bland Average Joe. 2) He's got interests women like. Concerts, photography, traveling, trying new things, motorcycles, athletics, and especially the charity work. You can all knock it, but he comes off as the rugged masculine man who loves kids and has a sensitive side. Yeah, he plays video games, but to women they see that as a tiny aspect when they see it all. He's the guy whom they can go to a concert with, the guy who will take trips with them, the guy who owns a motorcycle she can ride on the back of, and especially the guy who likes kids and is more likely looking for commitment over "just sex" 3) He's established. "started a business in the automotive industry" He's not some shlep who's working for someone making a "whatever" or "average" pay, but the guy who owns his own business, it's the boss, and thus is the confident alpha male. 4) His profile is personable. He comes off as friendly, personable, confident, and "not trying too hard". He's not trying like crazy to please a girl to reply, but he comes off as himself. Girls can see the difference between the profiles that are genuine versus ones that pander. And you might then think "my profile is genuine", but I roll back to #2 and #3. Do you do any of those things? Or just guy-centric things that women aren't into? I don't want to take the OP apart but I disagree with point 1. Yes he is cute but he doesn't look like a bad boy at all and he isn't in shape (by my definition), check out Andy K's profile for that. I think the OP comes across very likeable for girls that are into that bleeding heart liberal stuff, quite a few of those around so good call I say. A nice, easy going, not particularly adventurous (by my standards) boy. A lot of women will find that unthreatening and easy to deal with - hence his success.
irc333 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I have to admit, with all the women I've seen their profiles....99% of them are rather the same, typical stuff that I had seen in the other profiles. There's no "Wow" factor in most of them, but that's not a requirement of me to contact them. I just say to myself, "She sounds nice, and she likes to do that hobby, also.....I'll send her a message." Some of these ladies don't mention they've done charity work, and that's fine by me. Sometimes, I see a woman's profile she's complaining constantly and degrading men IN Her profile....well, that's one to avoid of course, but typically......I email the others anyhow if they seem relatively decent. Can't all that be covered in a phone conversation or on the date? I think the OP comes across very likeable for girls that are into that bleeding heart liberal stuffYeah, and a lot of those out there....bleeding hearts. I would imagine the bleeding heart thing works, spot on. Reminds me of some of these shows where a guy lies about doing charity work , when he manages to slip that into a conversation in order to impress a woman. lol I've done volunteer work myself in the past, but I don't go around bragging about it. I could say "I've given cans of vegetables for a fruit drive." but I don't see much merit in mentioning that. Edited November 24, 2011 by irc333
Andy_K Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Hah. This place is doing wonders for my ego. Yet on PoF I only get around a 20% response rate, and maybe 2 or 3 unsolicited messages a week, mostly from girls I'm not interested in for one reason or another. OP is reporting much more than that, so it can't solely be a looks thing
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Hah. This place is doing wonders for my ego. Yet on PoF I only get around a 20% response rate, and maybe 2 or 3 unsolicited messages a week, mostly from girls I'm not interested in for one reason or another. OP is reporting much more than that, so it can't solely be a looks thing I read your profile and I get more sense of who you are as a person here on LS than in your self-description on that dating site. You come across funny and confident but not very open.
Andy_K Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Thanks for the input. Looking through it I think that's a good point. I'll make some adjustments when I've got time. I've had my profile reviewed a couple times before, but that's the first time I've had any constructive criticism. Mostly I just get positive feedback, which is nice, but not helpful! Edit: What I used to like on PoF was when forum posts were linked at the bottom of your profile. That was a great way for people to find out more about how I think. For better or worse Edited November 24, 2011 by Andy_K
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 And not tall either, I put 5'10 (actually I'm like 5'8-5'9 but oh well). You will get into trouble when you meet girls and they realise you are shorter than you said in your profile. This will discredit you straight away. It happened to me and the guy turned out to be shorter than me even. I'm guessing if you are putting 5'8''-5'9'' that probably really means 5'8'', that's quite different from 5'10''
irc333 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Thanks for the input. Looking through it I think that's a good point. I'll make some adjustments when I've got time. I've had my profile reviewed a couple times before, but that's the first time I've had any constructive criticism. Mostly I just get positive feedback, which is nice, but not helpful! Edit: What I used to like on PoF was when forum posts were linked at the bottom of your profile. That was a great way for people to find out more about how I think. For better or worse Yeah, that's why I never participated in the sex portion of the forums....didn't wnat local prospects knowing what I posted in there if I ever did. LOL
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Yeah, and a lot of those out there....bleeding hearts. I would imagine the bleeding heart thing works, spot on. Reminds me of some of these shows where a guy lies about doing charity work , when he manages to slip that into a conversation in order to impress a woman. lol I've done volunteer work myself in the past, but I don't go around bragging about it. I could say "I've given cans of vegetables for a fruit drive." but I don't see much merit in mentioning that. You are selling yourself to other people so you have to think with their mind, not your own.
Emilia Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Edit: What I used to like on PoF was when forum posts were linked at the bottom of your profile. That was a great way for people to find out more about how I think. For better or worse No worries It's tricky. I think you probably want to appear in a certain way that reflects your personality but at the same time come across approachable and not alienate anyone. Your profile will probably not appeal to the women the OP targets with his because you are more assertive but if you wish to change that, it's completely in your own hands of course. Edited November 24, 2011 by Emilia
phineas Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) LOL you've been lied to. You don't think I know that? LOL! I just assume they consider me an option & think i'll be too good for them if I get ripped. But, now i'm curious, i'm planing on dropping some more body fat% by my 40th birthday in January & i'm really thinking of giving Online dating another try. Can I legitimately put myself down as having an Athletic build even without a 6 pack on say Match.com now? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/nov222.jpg/ Edited November 24, 2011 by phineas
Wolf18 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 The more muscular you are, the more attractive you will be to women. Even guys who are freakishly big like Arnold are more attractive than a skinny guy in the eyes of women, but they'll make you think that muscular guys are gross . That myth goes flying out the window once you go out and see the powerlifters surrounded by all the chicks.
grkBoy Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Indeed:) However....take away that he is good looking, put up a photo of a bland dude with a non interesting face and skinny....see what happens to this thread! It would of been on the second page of this forum with possibly 8 replies if lucky! into the abyss. I still think he might get some responses because of his lifestyle. I don't think he's some incredibly good looking guy (from my male viewpoint) but he's also not some bland average joe who dresses in Gapwear and blends in with the sea of guys in a crowd. I don't want to take the OP apart but I disagree with point 1. Yes he is cute but he doesn't look like a bad boy at all and he isn't in shape (by my definition), check out Andy K's profile for that. I think the OP comes across very likeable for girls that are into that bleeding heart liberal stuff, quite a few of those around so good call I say. A nice, easy going, not particularly adventurous (by my standards) boy. A lot of women will find that unthreatening and easy to deal with - hence his success. I more or less felt D86 simply had that "edge" in his look that many women talk of wanting. "A nice guy with an edge" as I've heard it. On his looks alone I don't think women would be excited, but combine his decent looks with interests, lifestyle, charity work, and attitude...and it's no wonder he's succeeding.
Andy_K Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 You don't think I know that? LOL! I just assume they consider me an option & think i'll be too good for them if I get ripped. But, now i'm curious, i'm planing on dropping some more body fat% by my 40th birthday in January & i'm really thinking of giving Online dating another try. Can I legitimately put myself down as having an Athletic build even without a 6 pack on say Match.com now? http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/833/nov222.jpg/ For a guy close to 40, I would say your physique definitely counts as athletic.
dasein Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Can I legitimately put myself down as having an Athletic build even without a 6 pack on say Match.com now? Athletic build does not equate to "women's male model" fantasies. Few professional athletes have the low body fat percentage of models because it is counterproductive to athletic performance in most sports, there are some exceptions. To me, "athletic build" would be high shoulder waist ratio, flat stomach, significant flexible muscle mass, not the bodybuilder or model version of "ripped." I imagine women think differently though, you wouldn't be lying at all with "athletic" IMO.
Wolf18 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Athletic build does not equate to "women's male model" fantasies. Few professional athletes have the low body fat percentage of models because it is counterproductive to athletic performance in most sports, there are some exceptions. To me, "athletic build" would be high shoulder waist ratio, flat stomach, significant flexible muscle mass, not the bodybuilder or model version of "ripped." I imagine women think differently though, you wouldn't be lying at all with "athletic" IMO. Yes, I agree. Phineas has a similar body build to me, and I consider myself athletic. The movie stars and male models women say have "hot bodies" like Taylor Lautner and his 8 pack take a billion supplements, have a whole team of the best dietitions and trainers money can buy, and get paid specifically to look a certain way.
Author D86 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I think the OP comes across very likeable for girls that are into that bleeding heart liberal stuff Could you elaborate on that, I have no clue what "bleeding heart liberal stuff" is. Maybe cultural differences or something... must be an American thing. IMO the whole liberal/conservative split is beyond retarded in America and hurts the country a great deal because all the two sides do is argue and no **** gets done. I just try to be a good person and do what's right, that's it lol. I thought that's what we were all supposed to do? Also why do I not come off as adventurous? Traveling all over the world, being involved in motorsports, etc is not? I could say "I've given cans of vegetables for a fruit drive." but I don't see much merit in mentioning that. lol why would you mentioned giving away some cans, of course there is no merit. I mentioned starting a nonprofit organization to help children because its one of my biggest passion life and something I spend a great deal of personal time and personal resources on. Giving cans is nothing special, everyone does it, you have to include stuff that is UNIQUE TO YOU. Edited November 24, 2011 by D86
Wolf18 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 The bleeding heart comment was dumb. I despise bleeding hearts yet I am very sensitive about issues like poverty, children, etc. What country you from d86?
Author D86 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 Also LOL @ people arguining over if I'm good-looking or not. I'm pretty sure its clear I'm about average, which is what I said in my first post, there are definitely better looking guys on POF than me. That's why I'm saying it must be what I wrote that is making girls msg me, not looks.
Author D86 Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) The bleeding heart comment was dumb. I despise bleeding hearts yet I am very sensitive about issues like poverty, children, etc. What country you from d86? I'm originally from Siberia, Russia (not a pretty place). I grew up in and seen poverty most people in this country can't imagine, so helping the most unfortunate children in my home-country is an issue close to heart. Edited November 24, 2011 by D86
Wolf18 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I'm originally from Siberia, Russia (not a pretty place lol). I grew up and seen poverty most people in this country can't imagine, so helping the most unfortunate children in my home-country is an issue close to heart. You are a patriot! The general ideology in places like America and the UK is that people who are struggling deserve their fate, or worse, all the compassion is misplaced. Some do, it's true, but a large portion of working people get screwed by identity politics and predatory capitalism. In places like the USA the government recently spent millions of dollars renovating the library of a prison, while children in places with depressed economies like appalachia starve All the upper middle class daddy's girls and office larva will argue for social darwinism, yet I bet if they had to do a day of real low-paid manual labor they would die .
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