AD1980 Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Hard to quantify but id say my rejection rate is somewhere around 100%
somedude81 Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 Dating/life training 101 by Lonely Ronin LOL And I mean dating, not trying to pick a women up for the night. 1. get to know her before you ask her out. Find out what you have in common, and if she is normal. If you have nothing in common, a relationship isn't going to work. If she is weired, why do you want that drama! 2. be yourself - If your faking it, your never going to make it past a few dates. If your a jock, date women that like jocks, if your a neard date women who like neards, etc etc. 3. have a life - if all you do is work and worry about meeting a women, then you probably come off as pretty pathetic. Have intrests, apetites, something that keeps you ocuppied. It's good for you when your single, and it also means you want suck the life out of somone your dating. 4. have freinds - both men and women. If you don't have freinds figure out why, as something is probably wrong with you that needs fixed. Freinds introduce you to people you might not otherwise meet. I have two female freinds right now that want to introduce me to single women they know. Freinds also help with #3 5. have confidence - even if she is attracted to you, if you come off as scrared, afraid, insecure, your going to get rejected. No one wants to date somone they have to coddle all the time. 6. read the signs - If she is showing signs of not liking you, then don't waste you time asking her out, the answer is going to be no. It's not a rejection, it's an incompadabillity for one reason or another. Women care a lot less about looks than most guys think the do. Sure, if they want a guy for the night, they want the hottest physically fit guy the can find. If they want a relationship a lot more factors come into play. 7. Become tall and good looking - It's the only thing that matters. Steps 1-6 are just there to make you feel that what you do matters. But it doesn't.
Feelsgoodman Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 This thread has a strong whiff fail. How the hell are you guys getting a 90%+ rejection rate?? Are you just randomly approaching women on the street?
AD1980 Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) This thread has a strong whiff fail. How the hell are you guys getting a 90%+ rejection rate?? Are you just randomly approaching women on the street? For me i rarely do cold approaches but its the only thing i can do since i dont have any single women in my social circle and all my friends are married Edited November 22, 2011 by AD1980
Feelsgoodman Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 All of this 'friendzone' stuff is a load of BS. My mates have nearly all been friends first. I've rarely asked a lady 'out'. We drifted into a relationship. 'Friendzone' is an excuse used by guys for not having the real stuff when a gal actually gets to know you. Most women are not airheads and are atrracted to stable 'all together ' guys. The guys chasing the ditzy gals have a warped sense of what women want. Rejected? the only time was back in high school when I asked some girl to dance. She shook her head. Maybe she had a belly ache or her feet hurt. Never again. That was a few decades ago i There is nothing wrong with being buddies (I hate using the word "friend" in this context) with a woman that is part of your social circle. What most people mean by "friend-zone" is a situation where you maintain some sort of a strange, semi-dating relationship (that involves spending one on one time but no sex) with a woman who has already indicated that she is not romantically interested in you.
Author jobaba Posted November 22, 2011 Author Posted November 22, 2011 This thread has a strong whiff fail. How the hell are you guys getting a 90%+ rejection rate?? Are you just randomly approaching women on the street? I don't usually do that either. My breakdown is on Page 1. Basically, I'm trying every approach. But I started with the platonic first approach that so many who have never been rejected here advocate. To be honest, I could live with 90%. That wouldn't be bad. But my ratio is a lot worse than that. All of this 'friendzone' stuff is a load of BS. My mates have nearly all been friends first. I've rarely asked a lady 'out'. We drifted into a relationship. 'Friendzone' is an excuse used by guys for not having the real stuff when a gal actually gets to know you. Most women are not airheads and are atrracted to stable 'all together ' guys. The guys chasing the ditzy gals have a warped sense of what women want. Rejected? the only time was back in high school when I asked some girl to dance. She shook her head. Maybe she had a belly ache or her feet hurt. Never again. That was a few decades ago i It's pretty shocking to me that some guys think like you. I mean, I have good looking, 'all together' friends who haven't had much trouble getting women they want. But even they've been rejected some. And more importantly, they realize it's tougher for some guys and they face a lot of rejection. You've never had a buddy who has been rejected by a woman? Women have fallen into your lap. Good for you. I'm happy for you. But try and sympathize with the rest of us.
Lonely Ronin Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 7. Become tall and good looking - It's the only thing that matters. Steps 1-6 are just there to make you feel that what you do matters. But it doesn't. Dude, you got to get over the heights and looks thing, and learn to play the cards your dealt. I'd like to add 15 lbs of muscle, but it ain't going to happen, I've been trying for years. I used to know a smoking hot women that I had a ton of stuff in common with, that would have shot me down if i asked her out. she was 5'1" and the comment she made at a party one night was "I don't want to have to stand on a chair to kiss him", and then looked right at me and said no offence. Real attraction (not just physical) is relative. I know good looking guys that are with women less attractive than them (in one case way less attractive). I also know of couples where the roles are reversed.
somedude81 Posted November 22, 2011 Posted November 22, 2011 This thread has a strong whiff fail. How the hell are you guys getting a 90%+ rejection rate?? Are you just randomly approaching women on the street? Look at the first post I made. I've asked out about 20 women and they all rejected me before I could get even a kiss. Dude, you got to get over the heights and looks thing, and learn to play the cards your dealt. I'd like to add 15 lbs of muscle, but it ain't going to happen, I've been trying for years. Sorry. Coming from you, that "advice" is crap. You don't have a clue what it's like to be completely unattractive to women. You don't know how it feels at all. Women throw themselves at you while they run from me. Hell, they might as well run to you, away from me. It doesn't have anything to do with how I feel about my height. My feelings are irrelevant. As long as I don't bring attention to my height, there is nothing else I can do.
Lonely Ronin Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Coming from you, that "advice" is crap. You don't have a clue what it's like to be completely unattractive to women. You don't know how it feels at all. Women throw themselves at you while they run from me. Hell, they might as well run to you, away from me. It doesn't have anything to do with how I feel about my height. My feelings are irrelevant. As long as I don't bring attention to my height, there is nothing else I can do. Couple things: How do you know your unattractive to women? being rejected by 20 women doesn't me your unattractive, it means you got rejected by 20 women. Last time i checked, a few billion of them are out their. No women has EVER thrown herself at me. Your feelings are relevant, how you feel about yourself always show through in social interactions. To what extent depends on how severe your feelings are.
somedude81 Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 (edited) Couple things: How do you know your unattractive to women? being rejected by 20 women doesn't me your unattractive, it means you got rejected by 20 women. Last time i checked, a few billion of them are out their. Do I really have to break it down? They all rejected me because they were not attracted to me. I was friends with about half of them, the other half just acquaintances. No women has EVER thrown herself at me.Did you not just say that you've been asked out by 12 women? Your feelings are relevant, how you feel about yourself always show through in social interactions. To what extent depends on how severe your feelings are.I rarely think about my height. The only time is on threads like this and when I'm alone by myself thinking about my troubles. It has no affect on my social interactions. But it is something that every new girl I meet notices. It's also something that women use to determine how attractive I am, whether they do it consciously or not. Even if I was 100% fine with my height, it wouldn't make a damn difference in how girls see me. Edited November 23, 2011 by somedude81
Lonely Ronin Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Did you not just say that you've been asked out by 12 women? no, "MaxNoob" did. Even if I was 100% fine with my height, it wouldn't make a damn difference in how girls see me. then these girls are shallow and not worth your time.
somedude81 Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 no, "MaxNoob" did. My mistake. You were just never rejected by a woman. then these girls are shallow and not worth your time. Sadly that doesn't help me much when every woman alive is shallow in that way.
silvermercy Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Dating/life training 101 by Lonely Ronin LOL Women care a lot less about looks than most guys think the do. Sure, if they want a guy for the night, they want the hottest physically fit guy the can find. If they want a relationship a lot more factors come into play. Just a small correction from a female: women DO care a lot about looks and I personally would LOVE to have the hottest physically fit guy I can find (male model preferably, hehe...) BUT not for the night, only for a serious relationship. Problem is those hottest guys lack the necessary personality parameters/factors needed for a serious relationshp and hence why I'm single now. lol (Some women can settle, but I just can't. I personally need to have both. I suppose I'm one of those infamous "picky" women)!
phineas Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Rejection is... -Asking for a girls phone number and her saying no. I always get a number, getting them to answer or return my call is another story. i'd say 50/50 here since I only ask for numbers of women that actually spend time talking to me. -Asking a stranger, acquaintance of friend out and her saying no. I like to talk to a woman for at least an hr in a social setting before I ask to figure out if I even like them. Again i'd say 50% -Asking a girl to go on a trip with you and her saying no. I've only asked GF's to go on trips & they always said yes. 100% LOL! -Getting rejected by a girl at a bar or club in any way. About 50% -Telling a friend you have feelings for her and getting rejected. 100% LOL! I've learned women that want to sleep with me NEVER want to be just friends so I don't even go there now. -Sending someone an online note of interest and not getting a response. never done this. -Getting a first, second, or any number of dates but not getting a subsequent date or kiss. Basically, in my tubby days women would keep dating me until I tried to kiss them then they would friendzone me. Answers in bold. I honestly haven't really kept track however I'm at a point where I just don't care if I get rejected because like look around.... WOMEN EVERYWHERE! I'd like to point out that since getting in shape it's been do or die for me. Either straight up rejection or hooking up. Not one woman has tried to friendzone me.
Cracker Jack Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Not much rejection since I don't even bother trying.
phineas Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 You've never been rejected by a woman whose given you buying signals? It's happens to me all the time. I've had women ask me out then flake last min. So I hear this. That should of been an option.
Woggle Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 In my single days I would say about 20 to 25%. I never used pick up lines and I was always myself. The thing that attracted them was the fact that I am who I am and I don't care if they like it or not. When you don't really care about their approval it is very attractive.
counterman Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Depends on the approach. I use to have a friend who asked out his current girlfriend after being friends with her for more than 5 years. It was just good timing, I was speaking to her a few weeks before they got together and she was talking about how no guys would want to go out with her, whilst he was asking me for tips but was scared to approaching any girls or making any moves. But he did ask her out, the first guy he's ever asked out and he was bragging about having a "100% success rate". If I take a smarter approach, and just got to know girls and not ask them out, I would probably have 0% rejection rate. But with what I'm doing, just cold approaches, it'll be around 90% rejection rate, but I don't really care, it's just the nature of the game. I'm going for the really attractive girls who have options. However, I understand there are better ways of going about things, so I think I'll meet girls other ways too, for example, through mutual friends. The girls that do show interest in me, I'm not usually attracted to. That's been the story so far over the past couple of years. Still a work-in-progress, but, in my opinion, a rejection rate doesn't say much.
Feelsgoodman Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 In contrast those who get rejected a lot are out there playing the field. They are less likely to hit it off on a date (nothing wrong with them, just more chance of incompatability). Then they ask out another half dozen until they get a hit. Eventually they find the rifght woman and get to call 'Bingo'. Just different approaches. I suppose. What you are describing above is analogous to cold-calling, which, as every marketer would tell, is a sales strategy with a low probability of success that is typically used to sell junk products and services that cannot be sold effectively through retail channels. The problem is that it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. When a telemarketer calls to sell you something, you automatically assume that the product/service he is offering is sh*t. Ditto for guys "playing the field". If you approach women randomly on the street, they automatically assume you are some kind of a loser who can't get a woman in a normal way. So I guess it's not surprising that guys who play the field experience 99% failure. They are the dating world equivalent of the automated message informing you that you've just qualified for a new credit card. The target's gut reaction is to hang up immediately.
Feelsgoodman Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 You've never been rejected by a woman whose given you buying signals? Nope. Perhaps that's because I don't confuse buying signals with mixed signals.
I have no name Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 When doing cold approaches to random girls (mostly in bars), I'd say I have a 75% rejection rate. That's from a sample size of approx 200 My rejection rate when making moves on girls that I already know or have some sort of relationship with is 0%. But that's because I usually play it safe and wait until I see signs of interest from them before making a move.
Author jobaba Posted November 23, 2011 Author Posted November 23, 2011 Well. This thread was created partially to give myself a better idea of my position among other men. And it has done that. Unfortunately, the results are not good for me. And a few others... I have long realized how important looks are to women and I've realized I'm going to have to work harder than other men. Really, rejection doesn't bother me that much when it comes early. It's after getting to know a woman that it hurts. I need to do a better job of screening women who are going to reject me for my looks earlier. That is the bottom line. I have a pretty good plan to make that work...
Lonely Ronin Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Two points: I"m probably your male counterpart, several of my female friends have told me I'm "high maintenance", because I know what I want and I will not compromise on certain things. second: I have a side note for your correction, that a lot of people here seem to forget. Physical attraction is really subjective. For example I think Emma Stone is smoking hot as a brunette or redhead, but 3 or 4 points less attractive at her natural hair color of blonde. Just a small correction from a female: women DO care a lot about looks and I personally would LOVE to have the hottest physically fit guy I can find (male model preferably, hehe...) BUT not for the night, only for a serious relationship. Problem is those hottest guys lack the necessary personality parameters/factors needed for a serious relationshp and hence why I'm single now. lol (Some women can settle, but I just can't. I personally need to have both. I suppose I'm one of those infamous "picky" women)!
Wolf18 Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 Nope. Perhaps that's because I don't confuse buying signals with mixed signals. What do you define as buying signals? Mixed signals im well aware of. I had situations where a girl would hit on me and even ask me out...then flake last minute. All you guys who are actually saying that women don't care about looks must be picking up chicks at blind school. Women care about looks as much or more than men, and about money far more than men. Just because a woman wants a guy whose hot with an amazing personality doesnt mean you're going to get in with just a good personality. Who the hell with any experience with women thinks that, except for the very , very attractive men?
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