oaks Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 I think this may be relevant, but I'm not sure why... http://www.memecenter.com/search/i%20will%20help%20save%20the%20wizarding%20world
ShannonMI Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 No, I will find out for myself..... I bet you will. ;)I think you may be the only man who enjoys Twilight. You should read the books. They are much better then the movies.
ShannonMI Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 I think this may be relevant, but I'm not sure why... http://www.memecenter.com/search/i%20will%20help%20save%20the%20wizarding%20world Hahahahahahahaha good one:D
ShannonMI Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 No, it's not like I fight to get the first copy or anything or get my popcorn out. Same with Harry Potter... I don't particular like it or need to see it, but it makes good entertainment when nothing else seems interesting. I'd never read the books.... I'm not "that" into it. Well I'm just saying if you enjoy the movies, you will enjoy the books more. Books are typically better then movies.
ShannonMI Posted November 23, 2011 Posted November 23, 2011 My sister gifted me the LoTR books last Christmas...I say "WTH hell amd I gonna do with those? I already know what will happen! She said "put them on your shelf then so they look effin pretty then! Yes you know what happens, but the books are so much more detailed and they have things in them that the movies do not. I haven't read them, but did enjoy the movies very much. I'm not really into the whole fantasy sh*t, but those movies were highly entertaining.
Els Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Hey, LOTR is the founding father of the fantasy genre that we know of today! It isn't really the overhyped crap that Twilight is - the fantasy community loved it and swore by it ages before the movies were even conceived. I read the entire trilogy (plus The Hobbit) years before the movies came out, and loved them.
joystickd Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I remember having a conversation once and this guy bust out "Bella should have chose Jacob". This guy would someone you would never think would be into Twilight. Everyone got silent and looked like WTF
Negative Nancy Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 It's what Hollywood considers to be a plain jane having two hot guys who are both part monster fighting over her. It's pure fantasy. so what it symbolizes in essence is that the average woman has two "bad boys" (hot guys with part monster) turn into good guys for her. no wonder it's so popular with women. isn't that exactly what guys always complain about - women going for the confident bad boy, so it makes sense that what attracts women in real life also attracts them in the movies. especially plain janes that don't get much male attention in real life can finally revel in the fantasy that 2 hot bad guys fight over her, huh... I guess it's the equivalent to the average joe watching porn while fantasizing he'd actually had a chance with the hot babes.
aj22one Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 So hold on, does Blade really show up in the end of the series like you see in those pics on the internet? I'd be ok if Metta World Peace showed up too like he said he wanted to.
snug.bunny Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 so what it symbolizes in essence is that the average woman has two "bad boys" (hot guys with part monster) turn into good guys for her. no wonder it's so popular with women. isn't that exactly what guys always complain about - women going for the confident bad boy, so it makes sense that what attracts women in real life also attracts them in the movies. especially plain janes that don't get much male attention in real life can finally revel in the fantasy that 2 hot bad guys fight over her, huh... I guess it's the equivalent to the average joe watching porn while fantasizing he'd actually had a chance with the hot babes. Edward's character is moreso bad guy turned good guy. He wasn't confident with Bella initially, he was awkward towards her. Here is a summary: Jacob's character overall is the more "confident" one, but he was never a "bad boy". He was friends with Bella since they were little and has always been portrayed as the "good guy". Initially, he was less "alpha" but became more "alpha" post wolf transformation.
thatone Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) Most of the sugary qualities could be accomplished as easily with a normal male protagonist, bad boy, moody, good looking, etc. Why the vampire? because you don't need originality, it's easier to rip off someone else. bram stoker wrote all of this, dracula was a love story. all these modern hacks had to do was rearrange the words and rename the characters. and it's a perfect illustration of our worthless culture that a knockoff can do so well in movie terms. even disregarding keanu reeves, this movie has been made already. it had anthony hopkins and gary oldman in it, ffs. so to summarize... a) attractive monster (dracula) b) the lesser woman (lucy is the rich flirty girl, mina is the quiet poorer one) c) unrelated struggle between the men (dracula vs lucy's suitors) d) fight for the simple plain jane (jonathan vs dracula) e) and the entire format is in diary entries and love letters so yeah, i'm not impressed. Edited November 24, 2011 by thatone
oaks Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Yes you know what happens, but the books are so much more detailed and they have things in them that the movies do not. I haven't read them, but did enjoy the movies very much. I'm not really into the whole fantasy sh*t, but those movies were highly entertaining. Tolkien needed an editor - in several places the books aren't really a great read. The story is fantastic, and I enjoy reading it (repeatedly), but it drags in places. Sometimes I wonder if they should bring out a book-of-the-film.
Woggle Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Did anybody see the Cleveland Show where his stepdaughter was fantasizing over two guys that looked like them and they both turned out to be gay? If I could write one of the movies that is what I would do. They both leave Bella and start dating each other.
Taramere Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 (edited) I was watching Film 2011 during a recent bout of insomnia, and they were talking about the latest Twilight movie. A while back I read the first couple of paragraphs of one of the books, then skimmed through a few pages and decided that it was so uninspiringly written that something might break in my brain if I persevered with it. I remember trying to read a romance novel ages ago, thinking "maybe I could write a Mills & Boon book and make some easy cash." However, I think if you can't even force yourself to read one, you're certainly not going to be able to write one. These things have a huge fan base though. I don't get it. I'm not going to be snotty and say it's because the fanbase have low intelligence. I bet there are plenty of perfectly intelligent people who just enjoy the fantasy element...but whereas I can understand the attraction to the Harry Potter franchise, the Twlilight thing just seems like some spin off series from Buffy the Vampire. Anyway, one of the critics on Film 2011 was saying that this latest film is obviously a bit of a piss-take, with Kristen Stewart appearing to be the only member of the entire crew putting any genuine heart into it. He felt that that "we're all too smart for this really, so we're doing it tongue in cheek" attitude from the crew was a slap in the face to the many fans who have helped this to be such a lucrative franchise. Edited November 24, 2011 by Taramere
Author dasein Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 Well half the people out there are by definition to the left of average intelligence, and those seem to be the best demographic for "mass hits." The right side of the curve seems to have much more diverse and discerning interests, making it harder to gestate "mass smart appeal." Here's what I'm thinking now, a soulful alien with superpowers/robotic qualities on a mission to earth that is morally ambiguous or even evil in our terms, but not necessarily in alien terms. His appearance would be something along the lines of Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen, a very tall perfectly built adonis, maybe even golden, with a giant pecker (that would be teasingly alluded to in various faux "naughty" romance novel ways). His mission is proceeding swimmingly until he meets the female protagonist, an outsider loner type who has been the victim of some type of abuse or wretched life situation. They begin a slap and tickle boy meets girl process (see the old movie "Star Man" with Karen Allen and Jeff Bridges). During this process she begins to serve as advocate for the human race, and to try to convince the alien to modify or even abort his mission. The climax involves the alien choosing between his mission and the girl, and of course in the end he chooses the girl. The secondary plotline would be the alien granting and instructing in special "powers" resembling magic to humans enlightened and unspoiled enough to comprehend and appreciate them (in other words dull, average children from middle class backgrounds and of multicultural ethnicity) who would then use those powers against entrenched power (white businessmen and politicians). This would all be done in furtherance of the alien's mission, or even subversively against it. Future volumes would of course involve more aliens with crosspurposes to the original one turning up adding layers and layers on the love interest theme by having them all ending up in love with the protagonist, captivated by her otherworldly wisdom and something "special" about her, which would grow into her being the past and future "queen of the galaxy" though previously amnesiac. These aliens would also make foils and enemies for the army of superpowered youngsters, who would split into factions accordingly.
thatone Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 think about your demographic. they'll write it off immediately due to the science fiction component. you're after shallow people, science and shallow are like oil and water .
Author dasein Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 There wouldn't be much hard science involved, the aliens would just kind of turn up. Would be much more fantasy, and regardless, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Matrix did well as crossovers between serious scifi and mass market pablum. "Dumbed down" scifi has always done well in books and movies.
Duckduckgoose Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 I'm a 28 year old "lady" and Twilight does not appeal to me. I do enjoy reading and pick up a diverse selection of books to keep me well-rounded. I read as much as I could in the first Twilight book. It was just... bad. I see how it can appeal to teenage girls, looking for that mysterious dark yet sensitive (jerk) guy while at the same time stringing another hotter guy that's probably better for her. And the main character is ambiguous enough that any girl can see themselves in Bella's shoes. A lot of teenage modern-day fantasy/fiction(there's a better word for it I just can't think of it) is like Twilight and always has been. I've read a few that are far better. TL: DR : Twilight is like porn for women. Some women.
fortyninethousand322 Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 So hold on, does Blade really show up in the end of the series like you see in those pics on the internet? I'd be ok if Metta World Peace showed up too like he said he wanted to. I would watch a Twilight movie just to see Ron Artest in it. It'll never happen though...
Author dasein Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 I think there are several elements necessary for a really good female oriented fantasy: Agree with all those and would add 4) multiple sources of male attention and seemingly forced choices between them which end up not being absolute (she can have them all, or keep them all in orbit, it just seems she has to choose) 5) repressed or even taboo dangerous sexual tension that is only partially released for the most part.
Author dasein Posted November 24, 2011 Author Posted November 24, 2011 The Man Who Fell to Earth by Nicolas Roeg has a somewhat similar plot about an alien (played by David Bowie) who gets diverted from his mission on earth when he falls in love with a very average woman. Bowie is really hot in that movie. Yep, it is a recurrent theme. "Star Man" did well at the box office in its time. The recent atrocious remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still" is another example. "The Matrix" has similar elements in that "The One" comes from one world into another, and falls for Trinity with little reason and vice versa, and then they elaborate on the romance in the subpar second and third movies.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 Beauty can be somewhat subjective. What other people consider average through their movie references, I don't. a=And I never found David Bowe hot. And stories would be boring if they always only showed super hot people falling in love with each other.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 David Bowie isn't conventionally handsome but he has a special aura about him that makes him sexy. I prefer leading men who have an edge or unique quality (Ryan Gosling, Gary Oldman when he was young or Robert Downey Jr. for example) over more standard types (Brad Pitt or Bradley Cooper). That's why I think it's pretty subjective. People like different things. I don't think Kristen Stewart is average. I think she is quite pretty. And while I do like Ryan Gosling, not much a fan of Gary Oldman, Robert Downey Jr, Brad Pitt and Bradley Cooper (those last two like yourself).
thatone Posted November 24, 2011 Posted November 24, 2011 There wouldn't be much hard science involved, the aliens would just kind of turn up. Would be much more fantasy, and regardless, Star Wars, Star Trek, The Matrix did well as crossovers between serious scifi and mass market pablum. "Dumbed down" scifi has always done well in books and movies. the matrix was much more philosophical and fantasy oriented than scientific. star wars was for 12-16 year old boys. just because those boys grew up by the time they made the prequels doesn't change that. star trek i would argue did well because it was character driven, the back story didn't matter as much. it could have just as well been set on a 17th century war ship as a 24th century star ship.
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