Women who get persnickity when you like them for their appearance

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Don't project your problems with men on me, i'm not the one who hurt you.

 

I was referring to this specific case, where a woman puts up sexy pictures of herself than gets all whiney when someone compliments her sexyness.

 

Unless she has a shakespeare sonet on her body tatooed and she put up the picture to show it off, i'm not going to appreciate her in a sexy pose for her mind.

 

This women as far as we know was looking for attention.

 

Really Mircea? Which part of my comments points to me "projecting" my problem with me on you?

 

Maybe you need to rethink about who is doing the projecting. It's not me. You aren't refering to the specific case when you put yourself in the situation and talk about how you or other men would respond. Of that you and other straight men are only capable of responding to women who they find attractive in one way.

 

As far as you know, this woman was posting pictures of herself on vacation. Usually when people go to the beach, they wear bathing suits. A bikkini shot alone is not a prelude to sex.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Here's something to get it straight into your head: if you had posted a pic of yourself next to a car, a similar comment by a woman would be, "nice car, i bet it was expensive. you must have alot of money, you should take me out on a date sometime *wink wink*".

 

I will say it over and over again: women do not want to be seen just as a walking set of t&a anymore than men want to be viewed as walking wallets.

 

Good comparison NN.

[xxoo]

Aw, poor attractive women, having to deal with compliments when they post bikini photos

 

C'mon, this is ridiculous! You don't HAVE to post bikini pics on FB. You can post them privately, or just keep them on your home computer. You can delete comments you don't like.

 

The comment the OP left was very tame--way more tame than some comments I've left on my friends' bikini pics (friend to friend, woman to woman).

 

This woman is no victim. She sounds a bit annoying, though.

[Elysian Powder]

Well, there are several things going on here. On one hand women want to be pretty. On the other hand, when enough men compliment on your looks alone, it gets frustrating because guys don't generally say "Wow, it looks like you had a lot of fun in the ocean, are you a good swimmer"? Instead a guy will say something overly stated and obvious like "I really like your bikkini pics." with a wink, wink with it. We want our looks to be only one facet of something you notice about us but when all guys do is compliment your looks, it is annoying. So basically, you annoyed her with your over cliched and obvious compliments.

 

Now, yes, she is the one that posted the pictures. However, that doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want to the pictures. Again, however, she should acknowledge what posting bikkini shots means to her and what kind of attention she is really looking for. It's hard to say. Was she really posting "sexy" pictures of herself or was she just posting pictures of herself on her vacation where obviously it would include beach activities if she went somewhere warm?

 

Most ''networks created to arrange sex between good-looking people'' aka facebook, hi5 and whatever, have an option to put the pictures viewable only by the people the user wants to give access to.

 

Why would acquaintances receive the right of watching her pics if she's fearful of being treated as a bunch of flesh put together under a bikini, a garment that was created to cultivate sexual desire in a man? You do know that female bathing suits made a 100 years ago were that big for a reason?

 

This sound like when I was 16 years old, visiting an European Country, but unable to go out from the house because I had broken my leg playing soccer the week before. I logged on to see my friend's pictures on whatever activity they were taking part of when the pictures were taken, and all that was to see were girls dressed in the most sluttishy clothes I couldn't even imagine in my fertile and horny years, and in such ridiculous positions that were thought of by the girls to enhance their already bountiful physical assets.

 

I'm totally going to believe that women are inside a lacey thong while cleaning their room or recruited the teachings of buddhist contortionists to be able of disengaging their arms as to make room for the butt or boobs to be in better display.

 

Where am I getting at? A woman has any picture of her in boyshorts, a bikini, lingerie, or is wearing cleavy sweaters or tight pants?

 

She's looking for free male-attention. Does she want to be admired for her brain? She could put her SAT results or IQ test results on her front page. But even the smart females I've met are still more interested in transmuting themselves into sexual objects and you can bet your obsession over men who watch porn, that it's not men who are lowering a woman's capacity to contribute nor her value as a human being, basing it all on how she looks.

 

Women are doing it to themselves. Most of them want to be the world's envy and to look better than most of the women near them. You guys won't catch this insistence that women aren't all of their looks, but much more, from the women who participated in the miss world 2012. Matter of fact, they were highly interesting in their own right, forget about how beautiful they look/looked.

 

What's ironic in this is that I once slept with a woman who was one of the very few women enrolled in an engineering school. She was average looking, dressed down to not attract the eyes of the nerdy/average men, and slept with me. A being of physical substance. Why didn't she bang one of the guys who admired her brain?

 

LOL, try to teach another cat to jump; we've already been taught.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[irc333]

What's funny is, I called her on it with "What do you expect, you post pics like that, I figured you were wanting the attention"

 

She had no answer for me. LOL SO that proves something there.

[Taramere]

LOL, I never actually thought about this ... just goes to show how much i know about Facebook, my cat is the only one on it.

 

That's probably really wise. I've seen quite a few arguments on Facebook resulting from a person posting a status update or photo that they got some response to.

 

If a friend posts a pic of herself in a bikini and is looking in good shape I'll tend to think that she's wanting to show off the results of dieting and exercise. When people have been working hard to be in shape "Wow - you're looking really good just now" is something they like to hear from their friends.

 

PS: Maybe i should put his pic up when he is licking his crotch.

 

I think that would be a fabulous alphamale statement of independence by your cat. "Observe gentlemen. I don't rely on any woman."

[Els]

Aw, poor attractive women, having to deal with compliments when they post bikini photos

 

C'mon, this is ridiculous! You don't HAVE to post bikini pics on FB. You can post them privately, or just keep them on your home computer. You can delete comments you don't like.

 

The comment the OP left was very tame--way more tame than some comments I've left on my friends' bikini pics (friend to friend, woman to woman).

 

This woman is no victim. She sounds a bit annoying, though.

 

Yes, this.

 

I frankly never understood the 'boohoo, men only want me for my appearance because I'm too good-looking' complaints from women who doll themselves up and post bikini pictures on public profiles . Really, it's like a man picking his date up in a Ferrari and then complaining about women only wanting him for his money.

[Els]

Most ''networks created to arrange sex between good-looking people'' aka facebook, hi5 and whatever, have an option to put the pictures viewable only by the people the user wants to give access to.

 

Why would acquaintances receive the right of watching her pics if she's fearful of being treated as a bunch of flesh put together under a bikini, a garment that was created to cultivate sexual desire in a man? You do know that female bathing suits made a 100 years ago were that big for a reason?

 

This sound like when I was 16 years old, visiting an European Country, but unable to go out from the house because I had broken my leg playing soccer the week before. I logged on to see my friend's pictures on whatever activity they were taking part of when the pictures were taken, and all that was to see were girls dressed in the most sluttishy clothes I couldn't even imagine in my fertile and horny years, and in such ridiculous positions that were thought of by the girls to enhance their already bountiful physical assets.

 

I'm totally going to believe that women are inside a lacey thong while cleaning their room or recruited the teachings of buddhist contortionists to be able of disengaging their arms as to make room for the butt or boobs to be in better display.

 

Where am I getting at? A woman has any picture of her in boyshorts, a bikini, lingerie, or is wearing cleavy sweaters or tight pants?

 

She's looking for free male-attention. Does she want to be admired for her brain? She could put her SAT results or IQ test results on her front page. But even the smart females I've met are still more interested in transmuting themselves into sexual objects and you can bet your obsession over men who watch porn, that it's not men who are lowering a woman's capacity to contribute nor her value as a human being, basing it all on how she looks.

 

Women are doing it to themselves. Most of them want to be the world's envy and to look better than most of the women near them. You guys won't catch this insistence that women aren't all of their looks, but much more, from the women who participated in the miss world 2012. Matter of fact, they were highly interesting in their own right, forget about how beautiful they look/looked.

 

What's ironic in this is that I once slept with a woman who was one of the very few women enrolled in an engineering school. She was average looking, dressed down to not attract the eyes of the nerdy/average men, and slept with me. A being of physical substance. Why didn't she bang one of the guys who admired her brain?

 

LOL, try to teach another cat to jump; we've already been taught.

 

Certainly women are doing it to themselves. That does not mean that men are not aiding and abetting it. It takes two to tango. If more men don't respond positively to what the women are doing, and prioritize other things instead of slobbering over the hot girls, you can bet DY's obsession with porn that you'd see a huge rise in women spending hours learning to hack instead of doing facials and styling their hair.

[grkBoy]

She is giving you sh*t. Show self-confidence and tell her something like, "I like your hot body. What can I say. If you want me to appreciate your mind, you have to talk to me instead of showing bikini pictures."

 

^^^

 

I love that response

 

 

 

It's like the women who go out with massive amounts of cleavage and skin showing, but then get offended when guys look at them sexually. Call them out on it when they give you flack for daring to look at them as a man.

[Elysian Powder]

Certainly women are doing it to themselves. That does not mean that men are not aiding and abetting it. It takes two to tango. If more men don't respond positively to what the women are doing, and prioritize other things instead of slobbering over the hot girls, you can bet DY's obsession with porn that you'd see a huge rise in women spending hours learning to hack instead of doing facials and styling their hair.

 

Our sexes can work something out. Women stop suffering from baby rabies, and men will stop their body from producing the reactions that nature geared into us. It'd be a lot of relief for most of the men who are sexually active in their 30's.

 

The real issue here is that men are exploited. From the moment puberty hits, females dress or act flimsy to attract attention they have no intention in returning. How many young boys and young men are stuck, dealing with blue balls because it's more than acceptable for young girls and for women to dress like whores? Since not every guy is a quarterback star, many of these guys are going to turn to porn and will use it to sate the soul-wrecking sexual urges the male sex was cursed with.

 

Isn't it how ironic how many women are bitterly complaining that young men can't get it up, but don't understand that denying a very large percentage of men, sex, is going to end up not so good for their settling plans in the future.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2051902/Men-use-internet-porn-likely-hopeless-bedroom.html#ixzz1bVW3jn9h

 

Geez, I dunno. All of us have gone a day without eating for we lacked time to eat or we were too busy working to remember it was time to eat. Our stomach revolted and in that short time we felt immense longing. Multiply that sensation over 10.000. Maybe you'll know how powerful the male sex drive is. Women have known this for a very long time which is why women curb all cheap competition by making prostitution illegal and by victimizing the female porn stars(no one thinks of the viagra-soaked guy who is getting paid a hundred bucks per scene) to shame men into obtaining sex only through a state-sanctioned relationship(the laws are applied on girlfriend/boyfriend relationships).

 

I am not implying that women should put out for men they aren't interested in. My purpose is to show how much meanness the female sex feels for men; drain free male-attention from the men they aren't interested in, reject them with '' I am not a piece of meat!!'', but putting out quite often and instantly for the men women actually dress to signal interest to.

 

Sadly, most men aren't good enough so they have to endure junior high, high school, and University hearing from their lady friends that they are going to find a sweet young lady soon enough. Do not despair! And do not watch porn! You must have the self- control of the Dalai Lama! But change from your lifelong celibacy when you finally meet a woman who is up to bed you. And you better have your genitals working like the golden bridge.

 

Or else! Women are going to stomp their feet and accuse men of depriving them from a loving relationship - and porn is to blame!

 

I'll tell you why men drool for women who are trying to compete with Jenna Jameson. From age 13 to age 30 we carry a suffering; it's what causes us to marry or to spend money on women. Around the age of 30, our testosterone levels aren't as high anymore. We kick back and read about women complaining that after being fckd and dumped, they can't find any good, solvent man, in his 30's looking to settle down LOL.

 

Women do have most of the power during the first 3 decades of our lives, but as soon as we amass common sense, money, education, and life experience we chuckle to ourselves and we observe the marriage % going down the drain.

 

 

Man has been oppressed too long by women. The cloud of sexual desire is dissipating and the continual manipulation of young boys and men is not going to result in ravenous beasts like Naomi Wolf claimed porn was going to create; but in men who can't get it up because we're daily showered with women who are running around in the streets barely dressed and porn, so easily accessible by young men, has the positive side-effect of convincing them to not chase women, to not spend money on them, and to not marry them.

 

No matter what a man does or says, women still use a man's sex drive to remember all of us that women are '' victims to man's scrutinizing lusts'' and that their competition, porn and prostitution, are infecting the minds and the bodies of men.

 

Disenchantly yours, I know of your grudge against porn so I'm sure you won't mind fighting for men's rights to visit brothels and have a good, healthy, and secure environment for the men who don't want to go through a woman's list for what a man must have or be like, if he wants a chance at dating her.

 

You'll also support men's rights because you know many women use their sexuality to trap sexually starving men into marrying them.

 

Yes?

Edited November 16, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[Els]

From the moment puberty hits, females dress or act flimsy to attract attention they have no intention in returning. How many young boys and young men are stuck, dealing with blue balls because it's more than acceptable for young girls and for women to dress like whores?

 

Maybe you'll know how powerful the male sex drive. Women have known this for a very long time which is why women curb all cheap competition by making prostitution illegal and by victimizing the female porn stars(no one thinks of the viagra-soaked guy who is getting paid a hundred bucks per scene) to shame men into obtaining sex only through a committed relationship.

 

I am not implying that women should put out for men they aren't interested in. My purpose is to show how much meanness the female sex feels for men; drain free male-attention from the men they aren't interested in, reject them with '' I am not a piece of meat!!'', but putting out quite often and instantly for the men women actually dress to signal interest.

 

Wait, wait, now I'm confused. First you say it's women doing it to themselves just to compete with other women, but here clearly you state that men indeed do get the hots for scantily-clad sexy women and it 'drives them to marry or spend money on them'. Huh. So which is it?

 

Come now, both parties have to take accountability. If men are biologically trained to salivate at the sight of Megan Fox in a bikini, women will naturally gravitate towards attempting to emulate it. If you don't like the way women behave in this, stop rewarding it. If you can't stop, well, neither can they, because it's been biologically ingrained in THEM to want to be attractive to the opposite sex.

[xxoo]

If you don't like the way women behave in this, stop rewarding it.

 

I was thinking the same!

 

Have some discretion! Don't give your attention to women who don't deserve it.

[Elysian Powder]

Wait, wait, now I'm confused. First you say it's women doing it to themselves just to compete with other women, but here clearly you state that men indeed do get the hots for scantily-clad sexy women and it 'drives them to marry or spend money on them'. Huh. So which is it?

 

Come now, both parties have to take accountability. If men are biologically trained to salivate at the sight of Megan Fox in a bikini, women will naturally gravitate towards attempting to emulate it. If you don't like the way women behave in this, stop rewarding it. If you can't stop, well, neither can they, because it's been biologically ingrained in THEM to want to be attractive to the opposite sex.

 

Do you not get hungry when you are watching delicious-looking food being created by your particularly favorite chef? You're not interested in eating. You're calmly watching TV and you do not experience any discontent with your life - until you change channels(maybe by mistake) and you can't turn your TV off quick enough to stop you from craving the food because certain situations cause our body to react beyond our control.

 

You're talking about 2 very different outcomes and an intention that originates in one sex, but maliciously manipulates men to do what women want.

 

Despite my sexual interactions with women, and after many years of porn usage, if I do not ejaculate at least once a day, a decent-looking woman will, without a doubt, be capable of creating an erection in me - just by looking at her. Knowing this, women promote an image of them being very sexually open and highly sexual while forgetting to mention that you can look, but you cannot touch unless you are 6 feet tall, have dark hair, can grow a thick mustache, or whatever specific requirement each woman has to open her legs.

 

Young men, encouraged by their sexual desire, are going to approach women, date them, and pay in large quantities of free male-attention or in actual currency. Men are impoverished, wealth is transfered from men who probably study hard and work for that one chance of finding a girlfriend, and women can giggle to each other how this guy and that guy won't stop calling her on the phone, whilst at the same time bedding douchebags like me and making a mockery out of men as soon as the baby rabies strikes and we don't want to commit.

 

I have no problem with women putting out for money or attention. My concern is that men have been so emasculated by feminism that, instead of claiming what they are entitled to,(by paying in money, attention etc), sex, they passively accept that the women were using them and they go home to masturbate to porn at the distant sounds of women laughing at them.

 

If you don't like the way women behave in this, stop rewarding it. If you can't stop, well, neither can they, because it's been biologically ingrained in THEM to want to be attractive to the opposite sex.

 

I've done that. I only pay attention to women who are putting out for me. I don't talk, look(in a noticeably way), nor do I respond to the women I'm not sleeping with. Other than that, I have elaborated a walking and looking technique that allows me to not directly look at women. They can't figure out if I'm looking or not and I'm not pandering to the self-absorption and narcissism in most women from my generation(and slightly older).

 

You guys should try that out. Inevitably, you are going to be accused of emotionally abusing a woman because you are not registering her presence, but man, it is a lot of fun to pull the chair under the sex that fancies itself to be immune to all consequences due to the sexual power they weld.

 

Lady, you're not expecting 13 year old boys to behave like grown-up men, are you? How can a young boy deny young girls what they want?

 

Young girls are being administrated the HPV vaccine to, obviously, create immunity to it. How about young men and young boys having a facilitated access to tools to control their sexual urges and to deny the attention-seeking behaviors of modern girls and women?

 

I'm still thinking about what that would be about, but it'd be nice to see the women who care for this help us out in this dilemma.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[BeyondtheClouds]

I start from the premise that FaceBook is a public board. Look at the number of "friends" that a person has. If they have more than a 100, do you really think all of them are REAL friends, more than acquaintances. Or even more important, that they have actually MET all of these people in real life. And even so, can they trust each and everyone to never let anyone else look at their profile, Facebook wall. I think not.

 

Therefore, whatever one posts on their FB wall is public property and if they do not like men "admiring the scenery" when they post bikini photos, then THEY need to take lessons in social skills.

 

OP, IMO, you have done nothing wrong. Although I do agree, IF you would like to continue interacting with this woman, for whatever reason, understandably, you would want to inquire here as to what to do next.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

Come now, both parties have to take accountability. If men are biologically trained to salivate at the sight of Megan Fox in a bikini, women will naturally gravitate towards attempting to emulate it. If you don't like the way women behave in this, stop rewarding it. If you can't stop, well, neither can they, because it's been biologically ingrained in THEM to want to be attractive to the opposite sex.

 

And Bingo was his name O.

 

Elswyth hit it here.

 

But once again, I will repeat it, not every girl that posts a picture of herself in a bikkini does it to show off. Some just do it because they are sharing pictures of their latest vacation. And the horrors amoung horrors, some vacations include beach wear. If most of her pictures on her site are pretty unsalcious, which we don't know what her other pictures are like, then a few pictures of her lastest vacation isn't enough to castrate her right there.

 

 

 

Elysian Powder

Do you not get hungry when you are watching delicious-looking food being created by your particularly favorite chef?

 

Whenever I come across a Starbucks, I find it hard not to think about how good a latte would be right now. But considering the affect it would have on my wallet, I manage to hold myself back most of the time and make a Starbucks latte a treat. Just because the Starbucks is there with it's big warm open windows and comfy looking chairs and hot creamy coffee, doesn't mean I don't have the ability to exercise self control. Especially if it's somthing I am going to hold against someone else when I'm enjoying it! That's just plain hypcortical Elysian.

 

 

You're not interested in eating. You're calmly watching TV and you do not experience any discontent with your life - until you change channels(maybe by mistake) and you can't turn your TV off quick enough to stop you from craving the food because certain situations cause our body to react beyond our control.

 

Seriously dude, If I pandered to every little craving I had just because a commerical made a suggestive comment, I'd be going to Macy's everyday since they have a two day sale every day, I'd be going to Red Lobster to enjoy their juicy looking sizzeling shrimp and a ton of other stuff. You can control your body. It comes down to how much responsibility you want to take for yourself instead of making others your scape goat. It's not Macy's thought if I go into debt because I came in for al their sales and didn't control my spending. It's my fault. No matter how many happy-go-lucky commericals they put on TV or coupons in the newspaper.

 

You're talking about 2 very different outcomes and an intention that originates in one sex, but maliciously manipulates men to do what women want.

 

You're an adult man. Act like one. No one makes you do anything. You do it because you don't have a handle on yourself. Stop making women responsible for your own actions.

 

 

I have no problem with women putting out for money or attention. My concern is that men have been so emasculated by feminism that, instead of claiming what they are entitled to,(by paying in money, attention etc), sex, they passively accept that the women were using them and they go home to masturbate to porn at the distant sounds of women laughing at them.

 

Perhaps you should spend less time looking at porn and more time getting to know women as people. Since that is what women are. And if you can't do that. You have no one to blame but yourself.

 

Today's men don't know much about women because they don't take pride in themselves enough to get to know women. They start looking at porn at very young ages, they spend their childhood and teen years looking at it reinforcing beliefs about themselves and women that are false. Then they hope to magically turn 18 and score with a super fox. They don't want to put real time or effot into really getting to know and experience life with real women. Not computer images that serve their every whimsy and fancy. Again, not women's fault that men rather spend their time doing that then getting to know what it takes to be with a real woman.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

So in your mind's eyes, men are the Mary Poppins of the real world! Practically perfect in everyway.

[Woggle]

So in your mind's eyes, men are the Mary Poppins of the real world! Practically perfect in everyway.

 

Men are far from perfect but women are nowhere close to it either.

[Negative Nancy]

We keep telling you that we like your breasts even before you take off the bra, but nooooo ... you don't believe us and it's other women who rip on you for them.

 

yes cos that's all you care about...t&a so whatever point you were trying to make, it was definitely not in favor of men

 

I have yet to see men be the primary guilty party in labeling other women as 'sluts'. It's women who are the most vicious ones.

 

I don't know which parallel universe you're living in, but it's men who label women "sluts" cos she "dared" to sleep with other guys before him.

 

 

I have yet to see a woman who will not judge a man in the first few seconds and on how he looks and how he dresses. What he has between his ears doesn't matter.

 

right :rolleyes:men judge women solely based on their personality and care nothing whatsoever what the women looks like

 

10% or more of children worldwide are not the sons of the man that raises them, and he doesn't know that.

 

10 % or more children worldwide are fatherless because the dad is an irresponsible, spineless POS who just wanted to pump and dump and left the mother with the baby.

[Disenchantedly Yours]

No, we are not ... we have our issues.

 

Mary Poppins was a female character, and you seem that females are.

 

Where do I ever say women are perfect?

 

You as a grown adult man, have control over your body, what you choose to look at (for the most part) and how you choose to react to it. See a girl in a skimpy outfit you know is looking for attention you have two choices. A)Keep looking at her and feed her ego. B) turn your eyes away and give your attention to a more modest girl. Simple.

[Quiet Storm]

Whenever I come across a Starbucks, I find it hard not to think about how good a latte would be right now. But considering the affect it would have on my wallet, I manage to hold myself back most of the time and make a Starbucks latte a treat. Just because the Starbucks is there with it's big warm open windows and comfy looking chairs and hot creamy coffee, doesn't mean I don't have the ability to exercise self control.

 

DY, I get what you are saying and you are correct, men have self control just like women do.

 

However, what is it that prompts us to have self control? It's usually because we don't want the negative consequence. We don't overeat because we will gain weight. We don't drive 100 mph because we don't want to crash or get a ticket. We don't charge up our credit cards because we don't want the debt.

 

The negative consequences are what prompts us to exert self control. If we could eat whatever we want with no consequences, we probably would.

 

I get that you feel that men objectify women and you are upset by that...but what is their negative consequence for their behavior?

 

So far, their only consequence is that women may occasionally get pissed off about it. So what? Do they really care?

 

I don't think most men have this pressing need to change their behavior so that it is more palatable to women.

 

Men like looking at hot women. IMO, they always will. Some are obvious about it. Some are subtle. Some are sneaky.

 

I don't think they'll ever stop unless they face major negative consequences. Like getting a zap to the eye every time they look or something, lol.

 

They don't have self control about objectifying because they don't want to stop. It is a postive part of life for them. Hot women make their days interesting.

 

I get that this sucks for women that want to be appreciated for other things. But that's the thing...they can appreciate the other things about us while also loving our bodies. Loving and appreciating our bodies, doesn't negate the other qualities they grow to love about us.

Edited November 16, 2011 by Quiet Storm

[Elysian Powder]

And Bingo was his name O.

 

Elswyth hit it here.

 

You clearly have no understanding of the power and the control a male sex drive can exert over a young man. At the age of 30, a woman is susceptible to the irrational craving for a baby. Is this not the reason for many of the unwanted births? What would you do if you had to endure at least 2 decades of feeling a desire for motherhood, but a thousand times stronger than what women usually experience?

 

Sexual desire cannot be stopped. Men slave away in the rat race, study to get degrees they have no interest in, buy cars - a bunch of metal sold at the price of gold - and risk injury and drama for the possibility of a woman putting out. Civilizations and empires fell as men fought for women or to be appreciated by the women they had married back home; all because of our sex drive.

 

Have you ever met an asexual man? You see a lot of young women complaining that men are only interested in sex. What if I told you that I know a woman who cries to the 4 winds that asexual men don't want anything to do with women due to the lack of a sex drive?

 

Do you think that the alimony/child-support/false rape reports/gym work-outs/expensive clothes/cars/whatever would still be in existence if we could turn off our desire for sex?

 

Believe me. Most of us would like nothing more than to turn it off and forget about you lot, we'd sit on a couch and no longer would we witness our hairline thinning nor would we see our banking account go down to zero, as most of the drama, problems, complications and responsibilities men have to battle are nothing more than the predicaments of sexual lust, or love.

 

But once again, I will repeat it, not every girl that posts a picture of herself in a bikkini does it to show off.

 

 

Only most.

 

 

 

Whenever I come across a Starbucks, I find it hard not to think about how good a latte would be right now. But considering the affect it would have on my wallet, I manage to hold myself back most of the time and make a Starbucks latte a treat. Just because the Starbucks is there with it's big warm open windows and comfy looking chairs and hot creamy coffee, doesn't mean I don't have the ability to exercise self control. Especially if it's somthing I am going to hold against someone else when I'm enjoying it! That's just plain hypcortical Elysian.

 

Then why are you bitterly trying to fight the shifting dating dynamics from men interested in relationships, to men more keen on playing the more recent Oblivion game of the franchise and wanking it off to porn?

 

Have you thought about it? A relationship. It seems inviting. Comfortable. Safe. Sex is likely going to take place frequently - during the first few months. Then comes the financial and emotional commitment. Having to deal with their problems and you're expected to perform certain duties. Men are looking at the deal they're offered and they're saying no.

 

That's just plain hypocritical, DY. You aren't surrounded by Starbucks everywhere you go. You can fight your temptation by abandoning or avoiding the area you know the starbuck is at, but young, attractive(or average) women are everywhere, these poor victims of sexual manipulation, young boys, have to join a convent if they want to escape temptation. And kids, if you are reading this and already dissatisfied with the sexual taunting you're victims off; do no go to University. It's a paradise for young women who want to dress and behave recklessly and not suffer from their immaturity.

 

Seriously dude, If I pandered to every little craving I had just because a commerical made a suggestive comment, I'd be going to Macy's everyday since they have a two day sale every day, I'd be going to Red Lobster to enjoy their juicy looking sizzeling shrimp and a ton of other stuff. You can control your body. It comes down to how much responsibility you want to take for yourself instead of making others your scape goat. It's not Macy's thought if I go into debt because I came in for al their sales and didn't control my spending. It's my fault. No matter how many happy-go-lucky commericals they put on TV or coupons in the newspaper.

 

Dude. Lobster is sold in licensed restaurants. You want lobster, go to a restaurant that sells it. You have an inbuilt inclination to voraciously want lobster? Again, you do as I said. You do not patron a lobster restaurant. Chinese food is cheap and won't addict you to it.

 

Here's a fact that might have escaped your deliberate attempt to remove fault from all of women's actions. Men want to put it inside a woman. Hence the joke of wedding cake numbering as one of the libido-killers; many married women sexually starve their husbands to have them buy stuff for them or whatever. Do you not believe that a man denying sex to his wife is mistreating her?

 

Adult men conquered the beast of sexual desire. Yet, many spend thousands of dollars on dating, prostitutes or in their wives. Most men are risking 18 years of child-support every time they put a condom on; but they still do it, against their better judgment because Testosterone is highly motivational.

 

Young boys and young men have many hundreds more the sexual hormones of older men which means that every time a 12 year old boy enters his classroom to face the 12 old Britney Spears wannabes; he's learning that most women are cock-teasers.

 

In one hand, I would prefer to grab all of the young boys and segregate the schools by sex, but at least they learn at a young age that women are provokers, but receivers, not givers, and that they couldn't care less about the low self-esteem young boys are going to suffer from in their developing years.

 

When I was 13 years old, I was like any other kid in the western world. My body was changing and I had a burning fire that wouldn't stop no matter how much I took the subjects by the head. I do not exhibit a juicy apple in front of the homeless. So why did a 13 year old girl, with a very generous cleavage came near me, looked me in the eye and leaned over with a sweet smile on her lips? And ironically asked me if I was gay?

 

You're an adult man. Act like one. No one makes you do anything. You do it because you don't have a handle on yourself. Stop making women responsible for your own actions.

 

Tough decision. Go for it and probably be accused of molestation, or be chanted to the end of my school days in that establishment as the gay dude who refused to touch the girl.

 

I chose the latter. Momma raised no fool, LOL!

 

Look, there are many forms of bullying. You're more familiar with boys beating on boys but most members of the male sex are victims of sexual stimulation, sexual indifference, and sexual manipulation. Young girls use young boys as testing grounds for practice, to later magnetically pull that Alpha male to them. We have to take it like a ''man''. You know we love it! Nothing like wanting someone or being visually or wordily told that if it's at your reach, you must have a shot at it!

 

It's simple. If mothers didn't kick out their husbands, women wouldn't be feral. There wouldn't be that many sexually frustrated men because the young girl's fathers would put some sense their heads and they teach them that they can't act, talk, look and behave like sluts but expect to be treated like human beings.

 

That's what I'm talking about. Do not stir the pot. A man's younger years are already complicated.

 

 

Perhaps you should spend less time looking at porn and more time getting to know women as people. Since that is what women are. And if you can't do that. You have no one to blame but yourself.

 

Huh? A drunk driver drove over a person. The victim has no one to blame but himself because he had to cross the street. A construction worker died in his job but he has no one to blame, it's his fault that his safety equipment was faulty. 18 year olds died during the big war because Hitler had a Napoleon-complex, but taking a bullet in the chest is the young man's fault.

 

Do you even look at what you type? Or do you instantly blame men and everything we do when you're not busy brushing your sex as victims?

 

Your paragraph makes no sense at all

 

You're an adult man. Act like one. No one makes you do anything. You do it because you don't have a handle on yourself. Stop making women responsible for your own actions.

 

You're right. I should handle myself and discipline myself. For more than one year I halted all sexual activity(including masturbation), I stopped looking at porn and I did everything possible to not feel sexual desire for women.

 

Would you like to see more men handle themselves? I'm going to save your response. I'll use it whenever exit the shadows to berate porn and the men who watch it.

 

''Porn limits a woman's dating options.''

 

''Handle yourself. You are an adult women.''

 

''Women now have to look pretty for a man to be interested.''

 

''You are lazy. Maybe if you stopped holding men responsible for your happiness you wouldn't be chained to your keyboard broadcasting your lack of empathy and your dislike of men.''

 

heh?

 

Today's men don't know much about women because they don't take pride in themselves enough to get to know women. 

 

Actually, we do know women. We know that women want to have fun in their youth(but not with the average man LOL) and to be paid aka, relationships, in their 30's. To finish it beautifully, women want marriage because that's the quicker way to reach a man's banking account, money changing hands through alimony, child-support, and divorce settlements.

 

I know, right? Women grow accustomed to men breaking stone for the chance of dating them, when they were younger, and expect the free male attention train to run on coal until their lives LOL.

 

Doesn't work like that. A woman's reign of absolute monarchy is from the moment boys turn 12 years old, to the day he's 25 years. At age 25 the hormones aren't suffocating us anymore and we've had too many years to resent the sexual manipulation.

 

They start looking at porn at very young ages, they spend their childhood and teen years looking at it reinforcing beliefs about themselves and women that are false.

 

Young boys and young men watch porn because young girls are only interested in the football stars and the young women can't go back in dating style ie, they're used to suave-talking, experienced men - the small percentage that has all of the women and sex.

 

But wait! This is also men's fault! Men totally enjoy the friendzone! A real man wouldn't watch porn nor would he masturbate while thinking of women! A real man is interested in working as hard as possible to pay for dates and for presents that will lead to nothing!

 

A real man gives free male attention to the women who invariably want the Alpha males but can't touch them!

 

A real man is strong enough to take the incredible pain that accompanies sexual frustration in the face and ask for more!

 

Give me a break. Your sorrowful gospel of men's fault for everything works on the virgins dwelling on this forum, but I have met much more skillful women than you and I calibrated myself to beat them in their game.

 

Then they hope to magically turn 18 and score with a super fox.

 

 

Huh. Most of the men I see in relationships are dating average and looking women. I know a handful of very attractive men in relationships with chronically obese women. Highly attractive men don't necessarily long for equally good-looking women, and unless you also perceive in your flawed conceptualization of what men want, that average men only date Megan fox, most of the average men are approaching and dating bland women.

 

They don't want to put real time or effot into really getting to know and experience life with real women.

 

Ok, I might be at fault here. I shouldn't take my average friends with me to nightclubs crowded with beautiful people for them to see how a douchebag, a player, a guy who doesn't want anything to do with relationships, can have without any effort, a woman to sleep with. Maybe they're bitter over watching many, many average women throwing themselves at above average men and putting out for free and without any obligation, contrary to their attempts at dating the women?

 

Must be damaging to the moral of a young, average man, to discover that women are as visually-controlled and promiscuous as men can be, no?

 

Not computer images that serve their every whimsy and fancy. Again, not women's fault that men rather spend their time doing that then getting to know what it takes to be with a real woman.

 

I was talking about the utilization women give to their looks to catch free male-attention and to steal a man's emotions, time, money and innocence but you somehow derailed it to your lifelong obsession with porn.

 

jesus, lady, I wouldn't want to be your boyfriend.

 

''Did your eyes flicker when that woman passed near you?''

 

"'Yes. The wind struck my eyes.''

 

''NO!! She wasn't fat/ugly/an Alien from outer space; you must want her, not me!!!

 

Edited November 16, 2011 by Elysian Powder

[xxoo]

Women's bodies are attractive to men.

 

This should be a source of great pleasure for both women and men. DY and Elysian make it sound like some sort of torture for both women and men.

 

What's up with that??

 

DY, don't you enjoy being a woman, attractive to men?

 

Elysian, don't you enjoy being attracted to women?

[Elysian Powder]

Women's bodies are attractive to men.

 

This should be a source of great pleasure for both women and men. DY and Elysian make it sound like some sort of torture for both women and men.

 

What's up with that??

 

DY, don't you enjoy being a woman, attractive to men?

 

Elysian, don't you enjoy being attracted to women?

 

I am a firm believer of only wanting what you can have. I worked very hard to be comfortable with the desire I feel for women. Prior to the effort I put in to look good and to smell good, I couldn't pick who I wanted. Women chose me. I didn't have a vast pool selection. I abhor lack of power and that is why I am very suspicious of young girls and young women's love for the influence they have over young boys and young men.

[xxoo]

I am a firm believer of only wanting what you can have. I worked very hard to be comfortable with the desire I feel for women. Prior to the effort I put in to look good and to smell good, I couldn't pick who I wanted. Women chose me. I didn't have a vast pool selection. I abhor lack of power and that is why I am very suspicious of young girls and young women's love for the influence they have over young boys and young men.

 

Your views seem extreme to me. I wonder if it has more to do with your abhorance of powerlessness than the realities of men/women.

 

Both men and women have more power to refuse than to choose.

[Els]

DY, I get what you are saying and you are correct, men have self control just like women do.

 

However, what is it that prompts us to have self control? It's usually because we don't want the negative consequence. We don't overeat because we will gain weight. We don't drive 100 mph because we don't want to crash or get a ticket. We don't charge up our credit cards because we don't want the debt.

 

The negative consequences are what prompts us to exert self control. If we could eat whatever we want with no consequences, we probably would.

 

I get that you feel that men objectify women and you are upset by that...but what is their negative consequence for their behavior?

 

So far, their only consequence is that women may occasionally get pissed off about it. So what? Do they really care?

 

I think Elysian Powder came up with about 20 paragraphs of his theories about the negative consequences. I was simply pointing out the cause and effect.

 

And indeed many continue in this because they don't see the causality, because it is too long-term and far-reaching, there is no immediate negative feedback. Just like the people overusing antibiotics, or the people happily throwing plastic around. But the causality IS there, and thus when it is known, the only question left is: What is the complainer himself going to DO about it?