joystickd Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 The things done by some in the other gender that you particularly don't like. mine are: 1. I am a person for women just saying no. The creative excuses sometimes become a way not to really be honest. I said sometimes so don't take that as a generalization. Some instances in interactions with guys its better to just say no 2. I have known some women to tippytoe the line of wanting to have sex and not have sex. It eventually becomes manipulation because there are women that use this to their advantage and get things such as drinks or gift by offering the promise of sex. It is these same women that look down on prostitutes but in a way they do the same thing. On that same token I do have one thing about men. The PUA movement and the guys that use it. A lot of it is nerds that take the attraction and dating process to a type of algorithm. People man or women are not the same. People know this and it has caused any man that is offering dating advice to be stuck in the realm of PUA when some of these guys are not PUAs. I will emphasize there is a need of men to learn about dating. The PUAs like Mystery or Tyler Durden teach indirect interaction which in reality puts these guys that are looking for success at risk for the friend zone. I know for me I am a believer of being direct. I know what you women think "I would think its crazy for a guy to say "I want to f**k you"". Its not like that but you do say what you want. I like it because it puts a woman in a position to say either yes or no.
Author joystickd Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 1 - i don't understand it I just meant if a woman is not interested in a man just say no instead of lets be friends or other creative excuses
jobaba Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Well. I think women are shallow, but men are too, so that's not really a gender specific complaint per se. The biggest complaint that I have is that once most woman decide they are not into you in 'that way', you are dead and the game is over. You are in the friendzone and if you want to crawl out it will take years for even a slim possibility of success. This takes all of the romance out of wooing a woman. Charming her, singing to her, writing her notes. It's either, "Am I f@ckable or not?" How unromantic...
Author joystickd Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Mystery and others went mainstream and sold out, but what they don't say is that a specific style doesn't work on anyone else, it's tailored to that person. You can learn a lot by reading from those that focus on inner game, self-esteem, internal motivation. ------ Women will never be direct like that because then they would be judged. Women hate being judged. No woman will tell you 'yeah, i want to sleep with you', unless she is sure you will leave the country the next morning and never set foot there again. Even then it's still a game to them. Women are the biggest players. I have read what they have to say and it offers little value. I will say some of the guys that separate themselves from that community offer more in value.
Woggle Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 How some women are feminists when it is convenient. They go on all day about why men aren't gentlemen anymore but ask them to display the kind of traits that naturally make a man want to act that way and they act like you want to take their right to vote away.
dasein Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Many women today seek to blame men for everything wrong in their lives and show extreme resistance to accepting accountability and responsibility for their own choices. Most all gender problems are equally the fault of generalized male and female behavior. No gender is to blame more than the other. Getting many women to admit the truth of the second sentence is like pulling teeth. The usual response to attempting to get them to admit the truth is "you just want to blame everything on women" or even more dishonest, "you just hate women." Women rationalize their bad behavior more than men. Ask most men about their jerky behavior and they will likely simply admit to behaving badly. Ask most women about their jerky behavior and they will either rationalize all around the issue or try to shift blame to a man somehow. Getting women to accept accountability for their own actions and choices is very much like trying to herd cats. The above is really the only problem I have with women, other than of course feminists, that's a whole nother can of worms.
monkey00 Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 Many women today seek to blame men for everything wrong in their lives and show extreme resistance to accepting accountability and responsibility for their own choices. Most all gender problems are equally the fault of generalized male and female behavior. No gender is to blame more than the other. Getting many women to admit the truth of the second sentence is like pulling teeth. The usual response to attempting to get them to admit the truth is "you just want to blame everything on women" or even more dishonest, "you just hate women." Women rationalize their bad behavior more than men. Ask most men about their jerky behavior and they will likely simply admit to behaving badly. Ask most women about their jerky behavior and they will either rationalize all around the issue or try to shift blame to a man somehow. Getting women to accept accountability for their own actions and choices is very much like trying to herd cats. The above is really the only problem I have with women, other than of course feminists, that's a whole nother can of worms. I agree with you, I've been in those shoes time and time again. Sometimes I wonder if there's something mentally wrong with them. Why is it so hard to woman up? They insist men on manning up but they can be very manipulative. If something happens to go wrong, women will punish/scorn the guy while secretly wishing the guy could read their mind about their problems. Why is talking about problems or the problem they see in the relationship so difficult? Withholding sex is a form of punishment. Another thing is women want to be treated like an equal, and when we do they think we don't care about them.
RecordProducer Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 there are women that use this to their advantage and get things such as drinks or gift by offering the promise of sex. Are you trying to get them drunk so they can give you sex? Is sex all you want from them?
Mrlonelyone Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 For both euro-traditional genders. Men and women both will come at a transgender/transsexual, then treat this as a dirty secret or a lark. We are people not sexual experiments. Rather than acting out because liking one of us might make ignorant people think your gay (or if your gay they will think you are straight, depending on several factors...), handel it like a civilized adult.
Author joystickd Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Are you trying to get them drunk so they can give you sex? Is sex all you want from them? No I have a preference for sober women. Honestly sex is all I want because right now I'm not ready for a relationship and I do need to satisfy my sexual urges. I know you say its wrong but if there are women willing to offer themselves then why turn it down. Most women that know me know exactly what I am looking for so its the womans choice to either say yes or no.
RecordProducer Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 No I have a preference for sober women. Honestly sex is all I want because right now I'm not ready for a relationship and I do need to satisfy my sexual urges. I know you say its wrong but if there are women willing to offer themselves then why turn it down. Most women that know me know exactly what I am looking for so its the womans choice to either say yes or no. Your "style" reminds me of those scenes in movies where some schmuck asks some tough guy at a bar to kill his enemy... the tough guy says "No problem, give me $10,000." The schmuck comes back with the ten grand and the tough guy takes the money and laughs in his face. What is the schmuck gonna do, sue him for breach of contract? Next time, tell women "I'll buy you drinks after you give me sex!"
Author joystickd Posted November 14, 2011 Author Posted November 14, 2011 Your "style" reminds me of those scenes in movies where some schmuck asks some tough guy at a bar to kill his enemy... the tough guy says "No problem, give me $10,000." The schmuck comes back with the ten grand and the tough guy takes the money and laughs in his face. What is the schmuck gonna do, sue him for breach of contract? Next time, tell women "I'll buy you drinks after you give me sex!" I don't do that. I haven't had a drink in years. Its not my style either a woman likes me or not. Gifts or as I call it tricking is something I don't do. A woman gets something from me because she earned it and that doesn't mean sex all the time. That one criticism was one I heard from friends a lot.
oaks Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 The things done by some in the other gender that you particularly don't like. mine are: My complaint about women is that they put up with threads like this.
Emilia Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I think the trouble with many men is they whine about feminism and emancipation because in their view those movements equal more competition. These men can't get away from the competitive male psyche - which is their biggest weakness and it makes their own life more miserable as you can tell from the posts here already. They don't see the benefits of emancipation as having a more skilled partner who is capable of DIY and other jobs around the house, another income for the couple rather than struggle on a single one, having another person in the house who reads more, better educated, has views on current affairs, etc. I think the reason for this competitiveness is that most men are ordinary and pretty average when it comes to achievements and intellect (as most people are by definition of course). Not having a little woman at home to look down on forces them to face up to this. It must be terrible when you used to have the other half of the population much weaker than you in every sense of word only to realise that that's not the case anymore
grkBoy Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 My only criticism of women is that I wish they would use logic more than emotion in their thinking process. To me, most of the things men complain about women come from that one point...too many women run their lives on emotion and never on logic. It's why many women either can be easily played by a handsome playa or why many women walk around as if every man is out to hurt her. It's why we see females do so many things that even other females would say "why are you doing that?" Yet the female in question is so clouded by emotion and wants to believe in storybook fairy tales that she'll set herself up to get burned.
RiverRunning Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 For a lot of the men I've met, it seems to be, "Is she supermodel hot or not; no? Completely ignore her existence." This is even in non-sexual atmospheres. I have lost a significant amount of weight since then, but I remember going into an interview when I was about 80 pounds overweight. The interviewer had been very impressed with my resume and was very impressed with me when we had a phone interview - he kept telling me how I was the best candidate, he was so excited to meet me, etc. (I was going to be a marketing associate for a firm that produced content for the state's DMVs and tourist rest stops. This was entirely a creative and behind-the-scenes type of job, or otherwise I could understand why I didn't get picked). When I showed up for the interview, I literally saw this man's face fall. He acted disinterested for the rest of the interview. Needless to say, I didn't get the job. I think men have the tendency to shop WAY out of their league. I get that most men shop up to a degree and I don't have a problem with that. I'm overweight by about 40 - 50 pounds ('chubby' to most American eyes nowadays, considering most people anyways are about 20 pounds overweight). However, on dating sites, the only men who seem to ever have messaged me were a.) about 200 pounds overweight or more or b.) didn't have a job, had a few kids, were doing drugs or drinking a lot. I get that I'm overweight and that's a negative...but for the love of God how far down am I supposed to shop? I'm pretty certain that even despite my looks that doesn't mean I have to sink for a drug-addicted loser. Honestly, I think that men run into SO many problems with women because they're always going for women who are 10 out of 10, the hottest they can find. There's nothing wrong with being interested in hot women, but keep it in perspective: they have a lot of potential suitors, YOU are probably not among the top in terms of looks, etc. I see a lot of guys complaining about how they are ignored by women, but they ignore 90% of the women out there themselves. They want a model and they will not settle for less. They don't even bother trying to get to know a girl who's even -slightly- less attractive. If you just want sex, fine...go for the hottest out there. But if you want a sustained relationship, try to broaden your horizons and see what else is out there, even if you don't think she could make the cover of Maxim.
dasein Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I think the trouble with many men is they whine about feminism and emancipation because in their view those movements equal more competition. I have lots of "whines" about feminism as the doctrine is packed with lies that have done untold damage to society for both men and women. None of those whines have anything to do with competing with women. One such lie is using terms like "emancipation" to describe the prefeminist female condition. It is dishonest and offensive in at least four ways, first in the claim that women were ever in a position to be "emancipated," "freed from bondage," when in fact they were never "bound" or "chained in anything resembling the way slaves were, nor were they even "bound or chained" in any figurative way. Second, when applied to any supposed female condition, the term is offensive to peoples of the world who actually were enslaved and emancipated for real. A third derivative way, is that the term "emancipation" is historically offensive to women by suggesting that prefeminist women were somehow "less than." My grandmother, for example, in a prefeminist world, worked her whole life, earning as much as my grandfather and quite capable of home "DIY." No, she couldn't lift as much weight as my grandfather, but feminism wouldn't have magically increased her lifting strength. My grandparents worked out a division of labor that made sense for them, and certainly did not involve any enslavement of my grandmother, they remained very happily and lovingly married for 74 years. Fourth, using terms like "emancipation" to describe the female condition pre feminism equates all men to slavemasters. This is egregiously offensive and a lie. Other couples worked out dol that made sense for them, there was no bondage of women or forcing them into roles. My other grandmother stayed home to raise her six children because SHE wanted more children. That grandfather got up at 5 every morning for 40 years and drove an hour to work and back in a dangerous, polluted factory so my grandmother could have what she wanted. My grandmothers were both also more educated than my grandfathers, having a college degree where my grandfathers had to interrupt their education before being married to go home and tend to family matters. Education has always been available to women who sought it out, there was never any National Guard keeping women out of postsecondary education like in Alabama during the Civil Rights Movement. Not having a little woman at home to look down on forces them to face up to this. It must be terrible when you used to have the other half of the population much weaker than you in every sense of word only to realise that that's not the case anymore Just one more dishonest strawman to add to the gigantic strawfields of feminism. My grandparents' experience was typical of average life of couples in the West. Women were never enslaved. Edited November 14, 2011 by dasein
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I don't have any complaints about the other gender. I prefer to view people as individuals. Edited November 14, 2011 by ThsAmericanLife
serial muse Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I also don't have any particular complaints about men or women as a group, so this applies to the other thread. There are individuals I like and admire, and individuals that can go suck eggs.
carhill Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I really don't have any marked general 'criticisms' about the other gender, save for what I've perceived in my life as a dearth of what I outlined in a prior post. When seemingly innocent instances such as that leave such a marked impression as an 'anomaly', that bears scrutiny, for myself anyway. Other than that more general life observation, things with specific women are just that, specific and individual, though I do add them as data points when illustrating aspects of interpersonal relationships. The closest I can come to any sort of 'generality' has been the propensity of the women I've met in life to use their 'feminine wiles' to get things that they want and then disappear after that act of getting. I've found that to be more disappointing than any other feeling about the dynamic.
hikaru Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I don't have any complaints about the other gender. I prefer to view people as individuals. I like this perspective. Only, my last two "relationships" both ended because the other was incredibly selfish. They were unwilling to compromise, or try when an obstacle stepped in front of the relationship. So, that's my complaint, that the women I've met recently only seem concerned with satisfying their own needs only, and have no concern for emotional attachment. Selfishness, nearsighted and unable to commit.
betterdeal Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 What are some genuine criticisms you have about the other gender? I hate it when you're having sex and they can't even be bothered to find your penis.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 14, 2011 Posted November 14, 2011 I like this perspective. Only, my last two "relationships" both ended because the other was incredibly selfish. They were unwilling to compromise, or try when an obstacle stepped in front of the relationship. So, that's my complaint, that the women I've met recently only seem concerned with satisfying their own needs only, and have no concern for emotional attachment. Selfishness, nearsighted and unable to commit. Thank you... and I anticipate that you will have a much easier time finding compatible people (for both love and friendship) in the future because you have identified the qualities that made them unacceptable to you... rather than whitewash an entire gender.
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