USMCHokie Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Yes my own experience + science to back me up. How women go about things is rather straightforward in comparison to men. Men add a bit of randomness --a bit of bumps here and there along the way. It's kind of like how women are just as smart as men but look all around you... men still dominate because of our 'more' diverse minds Heh, ok...
USMCHokie Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Easier to what? Most women I know would not hesitate to admit it is a lot easier for a woman to get dates and get laid than a man of equal attractiveness. I don't think there's any question about that. Getting married is a different story. That takes two. Easier to get what the other wants. According to popular belief, men want easy sex while women want the secure relationship leading to marriage. Women can generally get easy sex, or so we are at least made to believe, while men in a relationship might logically have an easier time getting a marriage minded woman to marry him than vice versa...it's a bit of a stretch, I know...
OneFootOut Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 But you're a guy. Don't take this the wrong way or nothing but men are more diverse in what they can find attractive. You're right, all men in general can find not so attractive (even outright ugly women) attractive because of the way she moves etc. Women are more black & white (simple) when it comes to attraction. I just didn't want to cause any arguments. I don't care what a man looks like, the way he treats me and others, his values, and behavior determine his attractiveness to me. I would rather be with an ogre who was good to me than a prince who was an arrogant self-centered jerk.
Tayla Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 It's important but really only to a certain extent. Looks can get you in the door easier but nobody is going to stick around unless you have a personality and other good things going for you ie career, interests, hobbies etc. Agree. Kevin Spacey is my enamored person of interest, and he is by no means an adonis...What he carries goes beyond looks or physical. Charm,wit and an above board man...His talent carries an IT factor...He is a gentleman to be sure. We all grow old and butt ugly so deal with the stages ....I tire of the folks who think image is everything....Amazing how beauty really does come from the inside out and ugly can be to the bone and I've witnessed that as well.
mr_sexxxy Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 The thing most people don't realize is that intimidation and jealousy can become a major part of the equation in potential and actual relationships for so-called 'pretty people.' Other men may either become very defensive or very hostile, or both, since they realize they are outgunned and must resort to desperate measures. Women who favor long term monogamous relationships will sometimes, even often, categorize you as a 'high risk' male, and can become quite defensive, flustered, and belligerent in their own right. Your goal then, as a physically attractive person, is to find someone who has a strong core confidence so that they are not constantly looking over their shoulder or yours in fear of competition.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 Agree. Kevin Spacey is my enamored person of interest, and he is by no means an adonis...What he carries goes beyond looks or physical. Charm,wit and an above board man...His talent carries an IT factor...He is a gentleman to be sure. We all grow old and butt ugly so deal with the stages ....I tire of the folks who think image is everything....Amazing how beauty really does come from the inside out and ugly can be to the bone and I've witnessed that as well. What? lol Kevin Spacey has the looks (and no, you don't have to be a woman to see these things)
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 dan, this is a recurring theme in your posts. I see plenty of fat, homely, track-suit wearing couples every day, but let's run with your reality: what are you going to do about it?
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 dan, this is a recurring theme in your posts. I see plenty of fat, homely, track-suit wearing couples every day, but let's run with your reality: what are you going to do about it? And as I've said many times before, I'm not looking for a date. I post about these subject to bring reality to them. In other words, I'm only here to post my opinions
phillyfan Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Shoot me down for speaking the truth. No but seriously, why do we live in denial about these things? Only ugly people can date ugly people because that's all they can get. Its kinda true, 1st u get atracted by looks but then its more bout personality, if the girl is a b*tch u aint gona be atracted 2 her no more so u gotta b good on d inside 2. Sayin that, so many ppl cud be waaay hotter wit some serius gym time, tannin, decent diet, decent hair color/cut. Just sayin.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 Its kinda true, 1st u get atracted by looks but then its more bout personality, if the girl is a b*tch u aint gona be atracted 2 her no more so u gotta b good on d inside 2. Sayin that, so many ppl cud be waaay hotter wit some serius gym time, tannin, decent diet, decent hair color/cut. Just sayin. Yes, personality comes into play but only after (not before) the first phase: Looks. Even if I could get a date (which I doubt), I just don't have the mental capacity for the dating scene anyway. So that's why I'm not too fussy.
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 And as I've said many times before, I'm not looking for a date. I post about these subject to bring reality to them. In other words, I'm only here to post my opinions Oh right. Saying something doesn't make it real. Are people impressed by appearance? Of course. Is it the be all and end all? No. Can most people improve their appearance? Sure. Are there other factors that make one attractive? Of course. If you took Ricky Gervais out of his suits and well kempt look, many of the women who fancy him wouldn't any more. Beyond this fairly obvious and limited aspect of the things that make people attract people, there's a plethora of other factors. Make a woman laugh and you can make her do anything.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 Oh right. Saying something doesn't make it real. Are people impressed by appearance? Of course. Is it the be all and end all? No. Can most people improve their appearance? Sure. Are there other factors that make one attractive? Of course. If you took Ricky Gervais out of his suits and well kempt look, many of the women who fancy him wouldn't any more. Beyond this fairly obvious and limited aspect of the things that make people attract people, there's a plethora of other factors. Make a woman laugh and you can make her do anything. Enough to make them friends with you maybe? But dating? No. You need physical attraction in there too.
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Oh, believe what you like. If that's what makes you feel good, go for it. If you want to get to the top, expect to do a bit of climbing, that's all.
OneFootOut Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 You so called LADIES want it all. You make you long list of must haves and 99 out of 100 isn't good enough. I don't have all these standards and every one of you has pushed me away. Why bother anymore at 43? Your women's magazines tell you to avoid men who haven't been married by my age and I haven't been close. All I've ever been is a place holder. You are probably pushing away or overlooking a LOT of available women who don't fit your standards as well. I'm sure you have your own requirements. Would you date me? I'm overweight, unemployed, have some health things going on, and have young kids. I'm not much to look at and don't have a lot, but I'm an extremely devoted and loyal mate and all around good person. See what I mean? A lot of us are still single and looking and tired of it, so you're not alone. I don't even rank "place holder" because I don't fit the 'ideal'. Stop allowing yourself to be a place holder. Hold out on dating until you meet someone of quality that suits you (and your list).
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 A bit of climbing. Stop the rubbish. I've spend the last twenty odd years climbing and falling and being pushed down before I get ten feet up. I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Then stop trying. There's no immutable law of the Universe saying you have to have sex or a lover. Put your energy into something you enjoy. Half of people at any one time are single. The Dali Lama, Jimmy Saville, the Pope and myriad other less famous men and women are committed to being single and have found a niche for themselves. By all means, keep banging your head against the wall, if that's what you want to do, but you can, if you wish, choose to do something else, something more fruitful for you.
OneFootOut Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I've had two. Count em. Two girl friends and they used me. I've gone after overweight even obese, employed and unemployed, kids and no kids, and ladies with health problems. I'm not good enough for any one them. HUNDREDS turned me down. How can a forty three year old virgin with just two short lived girl friends afford to have requirements? Ladies tend to look at me a a joke and think it's funny. Over time one becomes angry and bitter. That's where I'm at. It's too late for me. Are you a cyclops? an ogre? 2 feet high? I understand the frustration, trust me. I'm older than you and don't come across dates very often. It sounds like you are throwing yourself under the bus. You are so down on yourself and negative, it's no wonder that you aren't dating. It's NEVER too late. But you're not giving up on dating, you're giving up on yourself. Figure out why you seem to repel women and adjust it. How much effort do you put into it? Do you say hey lets go out, get an, I cant this weekend, and chuck that one in your 100's pile? You keep ranting about being 43 OMG THE HORROR! And a virgin and having had 2 gf's, but you never eleaborate on what went wrong, what the relationships were like. I hate to see someone give up on such a negative note, that's bad mojo to be carrying around inside.
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 I'm 37, single, and male. I abused drink and drugs, tried killing myself, spent three weeks on a mental health ward. Been there and done that. I love women, they're great! I have no problem attracting women, giving them those feelings. But I had I phimosis and frenulum breve, which meant when I got an erection it led to immense pain - not unlike having a piece of wire tightly tied around the head of the penis. Having grown up with that, some bad luck, mistakes and misunderstandings, I had mentally blocked out the pain (didn't know any different) and avoided sex unless I was completely drunk or wasted (which served as a pain killer and a disinhibiter in hindsight), and even when I did have sex, or masturbated, I'd more often than not get a semi-hard on (that being subconscious way to avoid the pain) and would ejaculate within seconds of penetrating a woman. Disappointing for them; devastating for me. I've had pretty, sexy, drop dead gorgeous women strip down to their underwear in front of me and I still bottled out of having sex with them: my confidence was so low I wasn't sure even then that they were into it. What worked for me was I love women. I love their company, they way they smell, the way they move, think, talk, look, feel. There's nothing more attractive than someone finding you attractive and just showing it. We all like to be liked, women are no exception. We all have our own stories. Stop beating yourself up about it. Some of the most interesting people I know are in their 40s and still don't know what they want to do with their lives. If you want to lose your virginity and it's that important to you, save up and hire a high class prostitute.
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 It's you talking down to me. There is nothing else to replace this and how dare you imply there is. I'm not long for this place before a moderator comes up and says my points are incompatible with this forum and tosses me. A moderator who's had no trouble getting the ladies or men for sure. Sounds like you got it all sewn up. I'll leave you to it.
betterdeal Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 "I love women, they're great! I have no problem attracting women, giving them those feelings. But I had I phimosis and frenulum breve, which meant when I got an erection it led to immense pain" - That is what you get...Karma! Must of been hella drugs that after, you started to think that women are "great" and you must give them feelings....sad world for you pet of female agenda... Yes, dear.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 @RPJ68 Yes that's what I really dislike, women will often joke and laugh, or just give that look as if to say 'I'd much rather eat my own ****' Yet when you look at the celebrity world you see these rich fashion models dating ugly morbidly obese Sumo's. So being famous (or celebrity famous) can make the undatable datable because famous people no matter who they are/what they look like are batter than us.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 What I mean is, when you're ugly or a virgin, a helluva lot of women out there can treat you badly because of that, your status is so low.... A lot of women out there judge by social status and if you don't have a good one a lot of women out there can have a problem with your mere existence, they won't be pals with you or nothing.
FitChick Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 It's easier to change your appearance than to change your job or personality. If you are unattractive, do something about it besides complaining. Complaining isn't attractive to anybody. I had a college roommate with a nose like Cpl. Klinger's on M.A.S.H. She got a part time job and in a year had saved enough money for a nose job. It totally changed her life. She became more social, was happier, got a boyfriend. I had another friend who always complained she was too fat yet kept on eating. She finally decided to start running and lost the weight, the men came flocking around, and she met her husband. If you're clueless, buy a few fashion magazines and then update your hairstyle and wardrobe.
Author danmorisson Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 Why should one have to change for people though? They must be right ****ty on the inside if you have to change for them. See that is why I prefer to keep to myself anyway.
bac Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Well obviously I'm talk about those pretty ones who say they have dated unattractive looking people. Rubbish! If you were pretty, if you could have almost anyone out there, then why the heck would you choose an ugly looking person? I would choose him because of his attitude towards myself and his wealth. In other words, if he gives me everything I want (a house, kids, clothes, cars, love, support and other stuff), I will choose an ugly man. But, if you were a woman, you would probably choose a handsome man who has no money, no job, no dick, no brains and no other useful stuff.
Wolf18 Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Really, I don't even think women want their male equal. A woman whose plain , has no job, and social problems, will never in a billion years date a guy whose average looking, without a job, and has social problems. She expects something better than her. I can't tell you how many women I've known who would be completely invisible had they been born men. Women that are borderline aspy's or have a billion little annoying quirks that take a toll on your patience, but they look ok and aren't obese so men still pretend like they are amazing 10 out of 10's. I will tell you right now, that with my same exact personality and looks, if I had a pair of tits and long hair I'd be a "hot girl" and get my **** eaten every day. In fact, I should get the tranny surgery that way I never have to work again Women with my same looks, with my good and bad traits, think they're better than me because women can have affirmative action attractiveness due to pressing male needs for immediate sexual gratification. The truly ugly guys will never have anyone, because the ugly girls are dating average looking guys, the average looking girls are dating very good looking men , and the good looking women are dating millionaires/engineers/lawyers.
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