allina Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 remember that you're still a baby Well according to some men on LS, at 28 I'm nearing my "expiration date." :love:
Art_Critic Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Well according to some men on LS, at 28 I'm nearing my "expiration date." :love: No.. your expired... .. kidding... 28 is a good age.. and having kids in your late 20's/early 30's is perfect.. Trying waiting till your mid 40's.. he wears my ass out.. I've only known one or 2 people who stayed in the DINK stage for most of their life.. and one of those had a child at 42.. Not saying there aren't tons of permanent DINKS out there but I have found it to be mostly a temporary deal that once life hits a person/couple they grow towards a different goal.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Chapel Hill Tubal Reversal Center 109 Conner Drive, Suite 2200 Chapel Hill, NC 27514 This type of 'easily reversible' procedure is not safe. It has a higher risk of ectopic pregnancy than the procedure I mentioned... and the reason why my doctor had me put in writing that I understood my procedure was NOT reversible. it is that simple. Funny... it is these same folks who are also against abortion and birth control of any kind. Mostly because it is well-off, well-educated, young WHITE women with good jobs and good insurance plans getting them. Why am I not surprised that they are located in NC? Big Bible Belt country there...
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I think vanity is not attractive in both men and women. Materialism is also not attractive. I agree with your posts on this subject. neither one of you answered my question. The prior poster defined 'fit' and 'attractive'. Ok. Lets just dive in here. I asked Pierre if he'd date someone with stretch marks and saggy boobs due to having children. Lets assume for the sake of argument that she takes good care of herself and is not overweight... but simply has some visible evidence of having children... and he didn't answer my question. Hmm... also didn't answer my question if he was ok with her getting plastic surgery or reconstruction after the fact. To be honest, I haven't seen any of the men posting in 'favor of moms' going along with that. They are 'going along' with the ones who don't have much visible evidence of bearing children... BIG difference. So don't dance around it.
ChessPieceFace Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 There are ALOT of attractive women that have no interest in becoming a mother. However, be warned: She might be more successful than you and that's something most of the guys I know cant deal with at all. Sexist much? A woman being more successful than a man is something that most WOMEN can't deal with at all either. Thus one primary cause of the growing strife in the western world. Women demanding equal pay and then still demanding men that make a good bit more than they do. Also I dont think selfishness is a good attribute in a marriage, with or without kids. You've got that one right.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 IME, yeah, it is. How do you think your post about mother's bellies and breasts come across to mothers? Men of "father" age just don't care about these things, by and large, as long as the woman is "fit" and attractive. We all make choices in life. I'm asking the guys here a very straightforward question about how they feel about women's bodies after childbirth. The only answer I got was that they had no complaints (notice he mentioned they had no visible evidence of bearing children). That wasn't my question... but they did answer it for me. The answer is probably 'no'. They just don't want to say so. They are ok with women's bodies that don't look like a mother's body. Fine. Then be ok with plastic surgery or reconstruction then... but some here aren't ok with that either (I'm betting). No answer on that one either. Hmm. Very interesting, doncha think? Nope. Just gotta be 'fit' and 'attractive' and cross your fingers before having kids... and pray one's body doesn't end up being that 'other' kind. Or that the man they have babies with isn't that other 50% who is hitting on women like me when they are home with the kiddos.
Ilovewater Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 We all make choices in life. I'm asking the guys here a very straightforward question about how they feel about women's bodies after childbirth. The only answer I got was that they had no complaints (notice he mentioned they had no visible evidence of bearing children). That wasn't my question... but they did answer it for me. The answer is probably 'no'. They just don't want to say so. They are ok with women's bodies that don't look like a mother's body. Fine. Then be ok with plastic surgery or reconstruction then... but some here aren't ok with that either (I'm betting). No answer on that one either. Hmm. Very interesting, doncha think? Nope. Just gotta be 'fit' and 'attractive' and cross your fingers before having kids... and pray one's body doesn't end up being that 'other' kind. Or that the man they have babies with isn't that other 50% who is hitting on women like me when they are home with the kiddos. Most of the men I know do not care about the stretch marks or saggy breasts after their girlfriends or wives got pregnant. Sure, there'll be some shallow men who'll care, but these men have the emotional maturity of a teenager and have no business having babies. Pregnancy is a natural process, and changes to women's bodies are expected. Mature men know this. I've asked a lot of my friends who are fathers if they are affected by their wives/girlfriends' physical changes, and all of them have said "No!". If anything, they even more in love with their women for going through the whole process and giving birth to their beautiful, healthy babies! In response to some of the other posts, I don't think it's selfish that some people don't want to have babies. It's their choice! I don't think it's a sign of selfishness at all. More power to them. I went through a period where I was unsure about having children in the future because of the long training and hectic lifestyle of my career. Did that make me selfish? I hope not.
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Most of the men I know do not care about the stretch marks or saggy breasts after their girlfriends or wives got pregnant. Sure, there'll be some shallow men who'll care, but these men have the emotional maturity of a teenager and have no business having babies. Pregnancy is a natural process, and changes to women's bodies are expected. Mature men know this. I've asked a lot of my friends who are fathers if they are affected by their wives/girlfriends' physical changes, and all of them have said "No!". If anything, they even more in love with their women for going through the whole process and giving birth to their beautiful, healthy babies! In response to some of the other posts, I don't think it's selfish that some people don't want to have babies. It's their choice! I don't think it's a sign of selfishness at all. More power to them. I went through a period where I was unsure about having children in the future because of the long training and hectic lifestyle of my career. Did that make me selfish? I hope not. I do like your post I just wanted to state..... depending upon how it's looked at (and especially the circumstances), it can be more or "equally" selfish to want to have children. Heh.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) Most of the men I know do not care about the stretch marks or saggy breasts after their girlfriends or wives got pregnant. Sure, there'll be some shallow men who'll care, but these men have the emotional maturity of a teenager and have no business having babies. Pregnancy is a natural process, and changes to women's bodies are expected. Mature men know this. I've asked a lot of my friends who are fathers if they are affected by their wives/girlfriends' physical changes, and all of them have said "No!". If anything, they even more in love with their women for going through the whole process and giving birth to their beautiful, healthy babies! In response to some of the other posts, I don't think it's selfish that some people don't want to have babies. It's their choice! I don't think it's a sign of selfishness at all. More power to them. I went through a period where I was unsure about having children in the future because of the long training and hectic lifestyle of my career. Did that make me selfish? I hope not. that is my observation as well... that the girlfriends/wives of the men they have children with don't feel that way about them (although I know of a few notable exceptions... they are now getting divorced). I tend to ask tough questions that put people on the spot... in this case... the ones waxing poetic about how 'feminine' it is to want babies... while failing to answer the question about wanting the woman after she's done her feminine 'duty'. Me thinks Pierre likes the IDEA of women who want children... because he likes breeder hips and thinks women who want babies like sex more perhaps... but not the reality of actually having babies come out of the woman on his watch unless he's got some pretty good evidence she won't be one of those with stretch marks and saggy boobs. But I could be wrong. Edited November 6, 2011 by ThsAmericanLife
Wolf18 Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I find this hilarious. If you are angry about men who dump women with stretch marks and saggy boobs, perhaps you should be venting on them... I wonder who reported my post? Funny, a post that actually calls for people to love women regardless of stretch marks and saggy boobs gets me a warning
xxoo Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 TAL, you really have an issue with stretch marks and saggy boobs, don't you? As for mothers having no signs of having borne a child--I doubt that's the case. More likely, the men don't notice. Or, they notice and LIKE it. Men like women who are in sexy shape, period Don't look to porn for representation of what men like. Mainstream porn is a represention of what heavy porn users like--not the general male population.
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I wonder who reported my post? Funny, a post that actually calls for people to love women regardless of stretch marks and saggy boobs gets me a warning Wasn't me. I've never flagged anyone's posts here. Can't imagine I ever will unless they are threatening violence. Even then, they'd get at least one warning shot over the bow. Actually Wolf, I'm just as annoyed as you... I'm really annoyed to have to fend off advances from middle-aged men looking to cheat on their wives. At least half of these men have wives who are stay-at-home moms. Pretty disgusting if you ask me. These advances weren't casual or a one time occurrence. I'd say no, and they'd persist. These are men I have to continue to work with... and I've learned over the years (just like I don't flag posts) that it is best to manage situations one-on-one and not run to mommy or daddy to solve problems. So I don't report them or make a big deal out of it. I just complain here
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) TAL, you really have an issue with stretch marks and saggy boobs, don't you? As for mothers having no signs of having borne a child--I doubt that's the case. More likely, the men don't notice. Or, they notice and LIKE it. Men like women who are in sexy shape, period Don't look to porn for representation of what men like. Mainstream porn is a represention of what heavy porn users like--not the general male population. I'm not the one with the issue. Just pointing out what I've observed talking to and being around mostly men my entire life... and dealing with a pretty messed up dating pool made up mostly of men who can't appreciate their wives (current or ex). ... but yes, I am trying to make a point here too. There are lots of men who 'like' nurturing women... but don't like what comes with that. Babies, responsibility, maybe a few 'battle scars' (as another poster said). And I suspect they want to appeal to a woman who is in their 20's-30's for dating and lots of great 'nurturing'. ha ha. Then the time comes when she actually wants to start a family, and the guy hauls butt... to find another 'nurturing' woman he can suck dry emotionally and sexually. Their silence is a bit telling, doncha think? There is nothing wrong with being in 'sexy' shape... men or women. Having children certainly is no excuse to let oneself go... still, there is no mistaking the body of a woman who has had children and one who hasn't... nothing wrong with that. I thought Demi Moore looked beautiful when she had the courage to show her pregnant belly on the cover of a magazine years ago. Are we surprised now that she landed a hot, young Ashton Kutcher? After having four kids? I suspect not. But I am suspect of men who tout women's feminine qualities without supporting those outcomes in all their forms. That's my point. ... here is the link to the demi moore Vanity Fair picture. She was a trailblazer... http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-vanity-fair-demi-pix,0,7906143.photo Edited November 6, 2011 by ThsAmericanLife
carhill Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 To be honest, I haven't seen any of the men posting in 'favor of moms' going along with that. They are 'going along' with the ones who don't have much visible evidence of bearing children... It just occurred to me that my own mother was a DINK until 37 and that was in the 1950's. She and dad decided to mutate DINK to SAHM and tricycle boy about six years into their M. TBH, when I meet, get to know and pursue a lady (like the ladies I mentioned upthread, all moms except exW), I have no idea what she looks like naked. To me, she's a human being. Also, equally honestly, I don't scrutinize people's bodies in great detail like what is being talked about in this thread. I imagine some men do. Something for everyone. I will say, when they're gone, I'm not remembering how flat and stretch mark free their stomach was, or not. That I know for sure. Lastly, I do admire a woman who owns her path. If she does not wish children and has taken steps to effect that, I respect her. If she has pursued motherhood with zeal and places great value on parenting a child, I respect her. They're different paths, equally valid and valuable. I look for the internal compass reflected in outward action; honest and transparent action. This perspective is no different than when I was in my 20's and 30's, dating a variety of women. DINK wasn't very common in my 'neck of the woods' so mom's are predominantly who I dated.
xxoo Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Their silence is a bit telling, doncha think? They've stated how they feel. You don't believe them. What more is there to say? There is nothing wrong with being in 'sexy' shape... men or women. Having children certainly is no excuse to let oneself go... still, there is no mistaking the body of a woman who has had children and one who hasn't... nothing wrong with that. I thought Demi Moore looked beautiful when she had the courage to show her pregnant belly on the cover of a magazine years ago. Are we surprised now that she landed a hot, young Ashton Kutcher? After having four kids? I suspect not. I don't understand what you are saying here..... Celebrities are bad examples, because there is a high likelihood of cosmetic surgery. I don't have to look at movies or tabloids, though, to see examples of sexy mothers. I can just go to the park! There are attractive moms, and others who look like they've given up. A woman doesn't need to have kids to look like she's given up
stillafool Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I'm older and have never wanted children, never had regrets about my decision. I don't miss not having a children and nor does my husband. We also do not have dogs. I do like children very much when in their company and I get such a kick out of talking to them. When I entertain and I know kids are coming I go out of my way to create activities for them and include things on the menu that I know they will love. People often say "I can't believe you aren't someone's mother" and I just smile. I don't know why others can't accept my/our decision and find me odd. Like Carhill, I visit my aunt who lives in a retirement home and I also visit with the other people who live there. Lots of them have children who never visit them. One woman has 6 children and none of them visit her. So as you can see you can't depend on your children when you get old so you better save your money. I remember when I was in my 20's my friends were dying to get married and start a family. Men acted like they were trying to run from marriage and kids back then and liked the feeling to being "caught". Nowadays, things have really changed so much that more women don't want kids and more men want kids and a family. I feel people know what is best for them. However with 7 billion people on this earth do we really need more? I do feel the unselfish people are the ones who adopt and I have so much respect for them.
grkBoy Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I'm your perfect match!! :laugh:Hahahahahaha I could have typed that above post myself, but instead of horrible father, I would make a horrible mother. I have no motherly instinct and whatever instinct I have goes to my cocker spaniel. He's my baby and I'm very happy with that. I'm attractive. At least people tell me I am. I don't want kids. Never have in my 32 years and never will. There you go...both of you find a way to meet. Seriously. In today's world, women and men wanting to me more DINK isn't as unrealistic as you might think. The problem is all the parents out there still vilify those who say "I don't want kids". We like to think it's just guys, but women are also on this. Let's be honest, having children now is a massive financial and lifestyle undertaking. With the economy in the toilet and not much chance of a turnaround, many more now look at the costs of food, shelter, doctors, diapers, clothes, toys, schools, college, etc...and think it's a big more than they want to endure. My fiance and I are bouncing on the idea of being DINK. She's 36 and I'm 38. She's also just finishing up hygiene school and is about to move her career up to the next level. While we both like the idea of a little one or ones around the house, we also aren't sure how well we can do in life to effectively take care of kids. Homes to fit a family are expensive. Food is expensive. Stuff is expensive. Not to mention we also like the ideas of "alone time", "lazy time", and being able to travel and live it up in life. Kids honestly kill that. I don't care who wants to claim otherwise. EVERY person I see now who is a parent is STRUGGLING...even ones with good-paying professional careers. We see this and question how much those "bundles of joy" would become bigger problems in life. PhilyDude, unless you try to meet Shannon, just try those dating sites meant for those who don't want kids...and grow a thick skin while being honest with women you meet. You'll face many women who will reject, but you just might get lucky and find one who isn't. I also agree on how many more successful women are less wanting to have kids because they want their careers. You might want to look to those women. Yeah true to the bolded portion of your post. Who says if I have kids they are going to take care of me when I'm old or even come VISIT me at the nursing home? F*ck that. Some kids loath their parents or are just ungrateful wastes. My grandparents had a kid like that. My uncle. He was a waste. A money grubbing leech who never gave a **** about them. Would NEVER visit them while they were in the nursing home. Thank God they had my mother and my aunt. I do find it funny how the US pushes itself as the country of families and family values, but many children either are pushed or can't wait to get out at 18 and get far away from the parents. These kids then move to far cities to have careers and such, loathe coming home on the holidays, and toss their elders into old folks homes as opposed to taking them in. I know I'm oversimplifying this, but I roll my eyes when I see people talk about "family values" when the US public tossed that out long ago.
thatone Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 (edited) From a point of evolution a female that cannot bear children or will not bear children is less desirable. That is why the hourglass woman was so attractive through the ages--------------it was a symbol of fertility. We are here to propagate the species despite your personal opinion. But, that is OK. A species usually lasts about 10 million years and we humans have been around for 5 million years. At some point we will evolve into something else other than human. Whomever leaves more genetic material behind wins the race. Why do you think the Neanderthal man perished? He did not reproduce as well as the Cromagnon (sp) man. yeah but i don't care about what the rest of the world thinks i should do. nor am i worried about what the future thinks of me when i'm gone. i'm not trying to convert everyone to my way of thinking. i realize that most people think marriage, a house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids, and two SUVs is perfection. and that's great, more power to them. but it's not for me. i like to travel whenever i please. i like to pick up and move whenever i please. i like spending my money on my own toys. and i can have that lifestyle since my business allows it, all i need is a laptop, a bank account where the rent checks are drafted, and a cell phone to take care of my obligations. i see no need to sacrifice any of that just to procreate. I've read study after study over the years showing married couples experience a deep decline in marital satisfaction with the birth of a child. If they are lucky to survive eighteen years, after the kids leave home, the couple are much happier in the "empty nest." You can be nurturing to friends, lovers, pets, other family members, not just kids. My men have loved my looking after them after years of neglect by their ex-wives who only had time for the kids and treated their husbands like cash machines. Men in second marriages almost never want more kids, so we childfree women are more sought after than women with a ticking biological clock. i agree, and have seen those things as well. i'll blame the social/familial pressure on younger women that they MUST get married and MUST have kids because they are guilted by parents and friends who have done so, combined with a very narcissistic society that tells people they can simply discard their spouses like they discard a bad first date. after all, their parents divorced without much care for the kids, why should they care? Wow 3 men on this thread that don't want children. It's not so rare afterall. Without children you can travel, not be tied down and do what YOU want to do. Who cares if you die alone in a nursing home. At least you lived a hell of a good life. Kids are a f*cking pain in the @ss. That's all I can say. I like a few kids, but not many. make that 4. for the same reasons you mentioned. everyone else can spend that 200-400k on their kids. i'm gonna spend it on making for good stories to tell the old bastard who winds up next door to me in the nursing home, he'll appreciate it when his kids never call or visit. Edited November 6, 2011 by thatone
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 They've stated how they feel. You don't believe them. What more is there to say? I don't understand what you are saying here..... Celebrities are bad examples, because there is a high likelihood of cosmetic surgery. I don't have to look at movies or tabloids, though, to see examples of sexy mothers. I can just go to the park! There are attractive moms, and others who look like they've given up. A woman doesn't need to have kids to look like she's given up Carhill answered my question (thank you very much!). And I do believe him. Pierre did not. He was the one going on about women wanting babies = femininity... I still suspect he likes the benefits of 'femininity' without the downsides (except he pays the bills. Big deal... ). IMHO, if a man is that dead set on women being baby machines, then they need to be ok with ALL of it. Otherwise, that man is just another emotional parasite... That is a pretty harsh judgement of our dear Pierre perhaps... but I'm sticking to it for now. Not that he has anything to prove to me... Why are celebrities bad examples? Because they got cosmetic surgery after having children? They are just responding to the definition of 'fit and attractive' and 'sexy' shape you are describing. The stakes are even higher for them because that is how they make a living. So I don't begrudge them.
ShannonMI Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I wonder who reported my post? Funny, a post that actually calls for people to love women regardless of stretch marks and saggy boobs gets me a warning Who was your post meant for? Telling them to get a personality? Not very nice, Wolf!! As usual you are being a bitter dickhead. I didn't report it, but I'm glad someone did.
Pierre Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 Carhill answered my question (thank you very much!). And I do believe him. Pierre did not. He was the one going on about women wanting babies = femininity... I still suspect he likes the benefits of 'femininity' without the downsides (except he pays the bills. Big deal... ). IMHO, if a man is that dead set on women being baby machines, then they need to be ok with ALL of it. Otherwise, that man is just another emotional parasite... That is a pretty harsh judgement of our dear Pierre perhaps... but I'm sticking to it for now. Not that he has anything to prove to me... Why are celebrities bad examples? Because they got cosmetic surgery after having children? They are just responding to the definition of 'fit and attractive' and 'sexy' shape you are describing. The stakes are even higher for them because that is how they make a living. So I don't begrudge them. It is rather simple. Nothing wrong with being a DINK, but folks grow up and change. I have seen too many men with vasectomies or women with Tubal ligation adopting kids. At some point the dog is not enough. Having a child is an experience that cannot be imagined by a childless person. Be a DINK while you are very young, but do not do anything permanent, you could regret that decision. When I say the hour glass shape is attractive I am not thinking about reproduction. However, at least I accept that nature is trying to entice me to reproduce. When Shannon is lusting after men and their genitals it is pretty much the same thing. I bet she probably like men that have good provider qualities even if she is not consciously trying to get pregnant. I bet she favors an intelligent man even if there are no plans to pass intelligence genes to the kids. As to what I like in women: Being a female at all times helps a lot. Why would I like a female that acts like a guy? That does not mean I want a weak woman at all. I fully support a system where the woman is the queen. Different expectations as one gets old. At age 20 I do not expect stretch marks. At age 40-50 it is OK.
ShannonMI Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 yeah but i don't care about what the rest of the world thinks i should do. nor am i worried about what the future thinks of me when i'm gone. i'm not trying to convert everyone to my way of thinking. i realize that most people think marriage, a house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids, and two SUVs is perfection. and that's great, more power to them. but it's not for me. i like to travel whenever i please. i like to pick up and move whenever i please. i like spending my money on my own toys. and i can have that lifestyle since my business allows it, all i need is a laptop, a bank account where the rent checks are drafted, and a cell phone to take care of my obligations. i see no need to sacrifice any of that just to procreate. i agree, and have seen those things as well. i'll blame the social/familial pressure on younger women that they MUST get married and MUST have kids because they are guilted by parents and friends who have done so, combined with a very narcissistic society that tells people they can simply discard their spouses like they discard a bad first date. after all, their parents divorced without much care for the kids, why should they care? make that 4. for the same reasons you mentioned. everyone else can spend that 200-400k on their kids. i'm gonna spend it on making for good stories to tell the old bastard who winds up next door to me in the nursing home, he'll appreciate it when his kids never call or visit. Yeah I'm right there with you. Who says I'll be lonely in the nursing home? My grandparents made friends in the place they were in. My grandmother even live A YEAR after my grandfather pasted because of the staff and the friends she made. Usually when one passes, the other passes shortly after. She lasted awhile. So I'm not too worried.
ShannonMI Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 It is rather simple. Nothing wrong with being a DINK, but folks grow up and change. I have seen too many men with vasectomies or women with Tubal ligation adopting kids. At some point the dog is not enough. Having a child is an experience that cannot be imagined by a childless person. Be a DINK while you are very young, but do not do anything permanent, you could regret that decision. When I say the hour glass shape is attractive I am not thinking about reproduction. However, at least I accept that nature is trying to entice me to reproduce. When Shannon is lusting after men and their genitals it is pretty much the same thing. I bet she probably like men that have good provider qualities even if she is not consciously trying to get pregnant. I bet she favors an intelligent man even if there are no plans to pass intelligence genes to the kids. As to what I like in women: Being a female at all times helps a lot. Why would I like a female that acts like a guy? That does not mean I want a weak woman at all. I fully support a system where the woman is the queen. Different expectations as one gets old. At age 20 I do not expect stretch marks. At age 40-50 it is OK. Lusting after their genitals hahahahahahaha:p:p I love it. What straight, hot blooded woman doesn't lust for a man's genitals? It's normal. I look for more then genitals when I'm looking to date someone. I do look for someone who is a provider and who has a brain. Intelligence is a BIG turn on for sure. The provider thing isn't a must because I can provide for myself. And no I won't be passing on these qualities to my children, I'll have them all for myself. Yes selfish, I know:p
ThsAmericanLife Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 It is rather simple. Nothing wrong with being a DINK, but folks grow up and change. I have seen too many men with vasectomies or women with Tubal ligation adopting kids. At some point the dog is not enough. Having a child is an experience that cannot be imagined by a childless person. Be a DINK while you are very young, but do not do anything permanent, you could regret that decision. Maybe. I think I'd regret it more if I brought a child into the world I wasn't ready to support or care for. You mention that having a child is an experience that cannot be imagined by a childless person. I disagree to some extent. It can be 'imagined' very well by someone who is responsible and caring... If they do something permanent and change their minds later, there is always adoption or even in vitro for those set on being biological parents. Both require significant $$, which rules out accidental parenthood. It also avoids having to ingest tons of hormones for decades. This is another thing I wanted to avoid when getting a tubal. If my mom is any indicator, I've got about 10 more years of fertility (albeit, flaky). When I say the hour glass shape is attractive I am not thinking about reproduction. However, at least I accept that nature is trying to entice me to reproduce. When Shannon is lusting after men and their genitals it is pretty much the same thing. I bet she probably like men that have good provider qualities even if she is not consciously trying to get pregnant. I bet she favors an intelligent man even if there are no plans to pass intelligence genes to the kids. I don't know too many smart people of either gender who prefer stupid people. That has to do with compatibility, not genetics. I have plenty of smart friends that I have no desire to have sex with. Can't speak for Shannon, but all I care about in men regarding 'provider' qualities are that they are self-sufficient. I would not want to be with a man who insisted on 'taking care' of me. Seems controlling and smothering. Not sexy at all to me. As to what I like in women: Being a female at all times helps a lot. Why would I like a female that acts like a guy? That does not mean I want a weak woman at all. I fully support a system where the woman is the queen. Different expectations as one gets old. At age 20 I do not expect stretch marks. At age 40-50 it is OK. Thanks for responding... So, what is 'acting like a guy'? Spitting and swearing? Farting, burping, grabbing one's crotch? That's just low-class. I wouldn't want a guy to act like that either. What qualities do YOU personally have that you would not like to see exhibited from a woman? Do you think there are some qualities that are uniquely male that are 'bad'? I think bad behavior has no gender label. Personally, I don't have any qualities that I would resent seeing exhibited in a man. I kinda like who I am
stillafool Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 I do find it funny how the US pushes itself as the country of families and family values, but many children either are pushed or can't wait to get out at 18 and get far away from the parents. These kids then move to far cities to have careers and such, loathe coming home on the holidays, and toss their elders into old folks homes as opposed to taking them in. Well nowadays children graduate from college and move back home for God knows how long. With the economy in the tank, they may never move out.
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