Moving to NYC in December...need dating and getting used to new city insight

[Negative Nancy]

Here is what I don't understand: average-looking men complaining about there being no one to date due to beautiful women being too demanding. Here is a thought: If you are an average-looking man, why don't you look for an average-looking woman? Or better yet -- since you think beautiful women should date below their level of attractiveness -- why don't you date an unattractive woman? If the thought of dating an ugly woman leaves you cold, that should give you an answer as to why beautiful women's standards are so "high". What's good for the goose is good for the gander; don't expect the opposite sex to have expectations any lower than yours.

 

This is a very great post.

[Metis]

Neither am I, but it's the only place I know of that has women.

Then you don't know other places, probably because you are not interested in them. I really don't see you in a library, for example.

 

Apples and oranges.

Not at all. If you are claiming a woman's right against unwanted touching should depend on her sexual history, it applies to penetration just as much as groping.

 

If a guy you thought was hot touched your ass you probably at worst feign outrage and secretly like it, or at best giggle about it.

 

It's only sexual assault if the perpatraitor is ugly.

You are not in a position to tell me what I would feel. If a guy I thought was hot touched my ass without my consent, I would be furious, and, depending on the surrounding circumstances, terrified. That's why I would rather gnaw my legs off than go out with a guy who believes that if a man is conventionally attractive, he is allowed to have sex with women without their consent, because they "secretly like it". I guarantee you, most other women feel the same. And since NYC is full of men who don't express views that women should be fair game for sexual violence for the imputed crime of losing their virginity at 15, the choice is a no-brainer. But feel free to continue to believe that it's your "good guy charms", rather than the fact your views would put a woman in well-founded fear for her safety, that make all those shallow girls give you a pass.

[Anela]

 

If a guy you thought was hot touched your ass you probably at worst feign outrage and secretly like it, or at best giggle about it.

 

It's only sexual assault if the perpatraitor is ugly.

 

This is worrying.

[Woggle]

Let me first say there is no excuse for sexual assault and people who do it should have their ass locked up.

 

That being said I once saw a very attractive guy in a club take a woman's hand from behind and place it on his groin area and she actually went home with him and thought it was hot. Some people have serious issues.

[ascendotum]

Girls here are snobs who think they're God's gift to men. They look down on blue collar guys like me, even if they come from such a family themselves. Is it impossible for women to ever be accountable for anything?

 

Wolf, I'm curious, how do your other blue collar co-workers or mates get on as regards dating & gfs?

I work in a professional career, but work at factory sites and also on the factory floor when I was at uni and just after. Quite a number of the uni educated women I've worked with have check lists, deal breaker lists & red-flag lists. What job a guy has, how tall he is, suburb he lives in, car he drives, and how dominant, confident & ambitious he is are very important, not for all but for many. They are self sufficient smart women in their own right, but still want to date up. There are more singles out there than previous generations and I used to think it was because of women such as these, but surveys I have seen where I live show that it is the less educated women that are single in higher % rather then the uni educated women, which surprised me. Quite a number of the single non career women I know do chase the blokey 'bad boy' type guys as opposed to career guys (until they are >30), which accounts for them clocking up more relationships, and or being single mothers and maybe this is why these women make a higher % of singles.

Working at a professional firm, public coys, govt enterprises and factories the number of sinlge guys there increase in that order. From 0% to what seemed like 30% at a factory.

 

I'm not a macho/alpha type guy, and as a result I've not been a hit with the career women I mostly worked with in the commerce related sectors. My gfs/flings have tended to be from professions, like hair stylists, nurses, florist, naturopath, social worker, waitress etc. Would such girls like this still give you attitude in NYC? Do you find that when a girl finds out what you or your mates do for a living their attitude towards you changes?

 

Do you + your friends tend to go into the inner city night spots to meet rather than try meet girls in your local area at less hip pub/clubs?

Edited November 5, 2011 by ascendotum

[Wolf18]

Then you don't know other places, probably because you are not interested in them. I really don't see you in a library, for example.

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Oh yeah, that's what girls love, guys who hang out at the library! AHhhahahahahaha

 

I love to read. I like to read about Eastern philosophy, I like to read about traditional European culture, the Saga's and Eddas. I enjoy the sciences, and yes I have a rough idea as to how the atom works. i like to build things and use books as a guide.

 

However, I can find all this on the computer, there is no need to go to the library. I've been to the library numerous times and the only people I see there are either under 12 or over 70. I seldom, if ever, see any girls my age at the public library. And trust me, women aren't tripping over themselves to get with men who hang out at the library either.

 

Not at all. If you are claiming a woman's right against unwanted touching should depend on her sexual history, it applies to penetration just as much as groping.

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Whatever, I've seen women claim sexual harrassment over a guy touching their shoulder so I don't take any of it seriously. If you think it's such a big deal, that's your problem, but I don't care.

 

Calling a touch on your lower back or bottom sexual assault is just wrong. If you want to call it unwanted touching, that's fine, but sexual assault ? Come back down to earth Feminazi.

 

You are not in a position to tell me what I would feel. If a guy I thought was hot touched my ass without my consent, I would be furious, and, depending on the surrounding circumstances, terrified. That's why I would rather gnaw my legs off than go out with a guy who believes that if a man is conventionally attractive, he is allowed to have sex with women without their consent, because they "secretly like it". I guarantee you, most other women feel the same. And since NYC is full of men who don't express views that women should be fair game for sexual violence for the imputed crime of losing their virginity at 15, the choice is a no-brainer. But feel free to continue to believe that it's your "good guy charms", rather than the fact your views would put a woman in well-founded fear for her safety, that make all those shallow girls give you a pass. [/Quote]

 

Yes of course, that's it! When women meet me they consult their magic 8-Ball and ask it "What is Wolf18's opinion on sexual harrassment", then they decide I am no good.

 

You completely misunderstood what I said, and are being facetious on purpose. I didn't say conventionally attractive men had a right to sex with a woman, what I said was that when one of those guys does it women don't mind or think it's hot, it's only when an ugly guy does it that it becomes a big deal. Of course I'm not talking about a random stranger, but I would really rather not talk about this issue, since it is of 0 interest to me and not worth all that I'm typing.

 

 

Wolf, I'm curious, how do your other blue collar co-workers or mates get on as regards dating & gfs?

I work in a professional career, but work at factory sites and also on the factory floor when I was at uni and just after. Quite a number of the uni educated women I've worked with have check lists, deal breaker lists & red-flag lists. What job a guy has, how tall he is, suburb he lives in, car he drives, and how dominant, confident & ambitious he is are very important, not for all but for many. They are self sufficient smart women in their own right, but still want to date up. There are more singles out there than previous generations and I used to think it was because of women such as these, but surveys I have seen where I live show that it is the less educated women that are single in higher % rather then the uni educated women, which surprised me. Quite a number of the single non career women I know do chase the blokey 'bad boy' type guys as opposed to career guys (until they are >30), which accounts for them clocking up more relationships, and or being single mothers and maybe this is why these women make a higher % of singles.

Working at a professional firm, public coys, govt enterprises and factories the number of sinlge guys there increase in that order. From 0% to what seemed like 30% at a factory.

 

I'm not a macho/alpha type guy, and as a result I've not been a hit with the career women I mostly worked with in the commerce related sectors. My gfs/flings have tended to be from professions, like hair stylists, nurses, florist, naturopath, social worker, waitress etc. Would such girls like this still give you attitude in NYC? Do you find that when a girl finds out what you or your mates do for a living their attitude towards you changes?

 

Do you + your friends tend to go into the inner city night spots to meet rather than try meet girls in your local area at less hip pub/clubs? [/Quote]

 

All of my coworkers with 2 exceptions are illegal mexicans And trust me , if they didn't come to America with their wives they just go to some of the brothels in the spanish-speaking parts of NYC. It's funny to see them hit on women, and actually can be inspiring. They never get a yes, and they act kind of creepy, but you know what even though they always get rejected they walk away with their heads held high, us feminized whitey's can take a lesson from them.

 

And yes, I find women of all walks of life give attitudes in NYC. The ones that don't already have a boyfriend.

[Shaun-Dro]

And yes, I find women of all walks of life give attitudes in NYC. The ones that don't already have a boyfriend.

 

I agree with this from nothing but experience. Every woman that has been nice and allowed me to chat her up already had a man so she felt no need to put her guard up.

 

But the ones who were actually single acted difficult, expected me to run after them, work harder, or pretended as if I wasn't there just to be evil.

[Metis]

Oh yeah, that's what girls love, guys who hang out at the library! AHhhahahahahaha

 

I love to read. I like to read about Eastern philosophy, I like to read about traditional European culture, the Saga's and Eddas. I enjoy the sciences, and yes I have a rough idea as to how the atom works. i like to build things and use books as a guide.

 

However, I can find all this on the computer, there is no need to go to the library. I've been to the library numerous times and the only people I see there are either under 12 or over 70. I seldom, if ever, see any girls my age at the public library. And trust me, women aren't tripping over themselves to get with men who hang out at the library either.

 

Every boyfriend I've ever had I met at a library or in class. And, sorry to doubt you, but various things you've said lead me to believe the only things you read are angry blogs. Not actual books though. You have a habit of expressing strongly held opinions on subject in which, it seems to me, you are not particularly informed.

 

Whatever, I've seen women claim sexual harrassment over a guy touching their shoulder so I don't take any of it seriously. If you think it's such a big deal, that's your problem, but I don't care.

I don't think you "see" that, as much as you hear other men such as yourself talk about it. Unless, of course, those guys are touching women's shoulders with hands that have semen on them, in which case, I totally understand you: What the hell is these women's problem??

 

Calling a touch on your lower back or bottom sexual assault is just wrong. If you want to call it unwanted touching, that's fine, but sexual assault ? Come back down to earth Feminazi.

You can call it apple pie, if you want, it's wrong and illegal -- just like it's illegal to grab a man's crotch without his consent. Come back down to earth, misogynist scum.

 

Yes of course, that's it! When women meet me they consult their magic 8-Ball and ask it "What is Wolf18's opinion on sexual harrassment", then they decide I am no good.

No, it's more like, you run your mouth, and let slip things that YOU consider eminently reasonable -- like, for example, it's totally no big deal to grab a woman's boob against her wishes! -- and that sends the message that you are to be avoided because you feel entitled to a woman's body regardless of what she wants. Because women actually run a small, but realistic risk of ending up raped, beaten or murdered merely as a result of going on a date, women have a particular sensitivity to cues suggesting violent or creepy behavior.

 

You completely misunderstood what I said, and are being facetious on purpose. I didn't say conventionally attractive men had a right to sex with a woman, what I said was that when one of those guys does it women don't mind or think it's hot, it's only when an ugly guy does it that it becomes a big deal. Of course I'm not talking about a random stranger, but I would really rather not talk about this issue, since it is of 0 interest to me and not worth all that I'm typing.

Yes, women have the right to not consent to touching -- while allowing men to touch them with consent! That's a total scandal of course. Who the hell gave women the right to say "yes" to some men and "no" to others??

 

All of my coworkers with 2 exceptions are illegal mexicans And trust me , if they didn't come to America with their wives they just go to some of the brothels in the spanish-speaking parts of NYC. It's funny to see them hit on women, and actually can be inspiring. They never get a yes, and they act kind of creepy, but you know what even though they always get rejected they walk away with their heads held high, us feminized whitey's can take a lesson from them.

Maybe because they don't see a rejection as an affront to their masculinity and an equivalent of violent assault. And maybe -- just maybe -- because they derive pleasure from the act of flirting itself.

 

And yes, I find women of all walks of life give attitudes in NYC. The ones that don't already have a boyfriend.

Well, in my experience, if you are rejecting a guy who thinks touching you without your consent is no big deal because you lost your virginity at 15, you HAVE to give him attitude, or God knows what he'll do, claiming you were sending "mixed messages".

[zengirl]

I've never lived in NYC, but I've spent plenty of seasons there as I have family all over the Northeast, including in Manhattan. I can say, it's not my town, but I think a city with such a diverse population cannot be so easily boiled down to such a small set of types. The truth is, though, each person probably only fixates on a few types unless they are situated in a certain way to see more types outside of themselves and the flashy folks.

 

For instance, my cousin lives in NYC. She is a Japanese-American psychiatric resident at one of the major hospitals. Except for the folks she knew from childhood (she actually grew up in the city), she basically never gets to know anyone who isn't a doctor or Japanese-American. She's a lot closer to her heritage than I am, and she won't date anyone who isn't Japanese (he doesn't have to be a doctor, but she socializes with other doctors in non-romantic ways for obvious reasons). Most people would never meet girls like her, or be in her dating pool. It all depends.

 

I think it's generally easier to date in urban areas UNTIL they become so big. I would say the biggest big cities are, in some ways, just a series of cliques (not always the bad kind) and it's hard to find the place you fit unless you decide who you are and carve it out quite clearly. It's just so vast. You'll never meet everyone.

[futuregopher]

I've never lived in NYC, but I've spent plenty of seasons there as I have family all over the Northeast, including in Manhattan. I can say, it's not my town, but I think a city with such a diverse population cannot be so easily boiled down to such a small set of types. The truth is, though, each person probably only fixates on a few types unless they are situated in a certain way to see more types outside of themselves and the flashy folks.

 

For instance, my cousin lives in NYC. She is a Japanese-American psychiatric resident at one of the major hospitals. Except for the folks she knew from childhood (she actually grew up in the city), she basically never gets to know anyone who isn't a doctor or Japanese-American. She's a lot closer to her heritage than I am, and she won't date anyone who isn't Japanese (he doesn't have to be a doctor, but she socializes with other doctors in non-romantic ways for obvious reasons). Most people would never meet girls like her, or be in her dating pool. It all depends.

 

I think it's generally easier to date in urban areas UNTIL they become so big. I would say the biggest big cities are, in some ways, just a series of cliques (not always the bad kind) and it's hard to find the place you fit unless you decide who you are and carve it out quite clearly. It's just so vast. You'll never meet everyone.

 

This is exactly what I'm scared of. There are some good people that are exactly my type that I'll never be able to meet. Granted it's impossible to meet everyone but what do you think is the best way to increase my chances of meeting people like me? I am going to be really active on Meetup.com when I go back home to NJ.

[Febreze]

This is exactly what I'm scared of. There are some good people that are exactly my type that I'll never be able to meet. Granted it's impossible to meet everyone but what do you think is the best way to increase my chances of meeting people like me? I am going to be really active on Meetup.com when I go back home to NJ.

 

Hi I think the Meetup scene is a good choice for a newbie because I've got 2 friends from my nursing school that done it with success.

 

I live in Long Island, NY and work in a Manhattan hospital for a number of years. In the city you do get all walks of life. I've seen it all lol.

 

I think some of the women here can be pretty tough but we're not at all mean or anything, so the guys claiming that accusation are wrong.

 

Some of you need to just take a chance. I think if you talk to us in a way as to not expect a date right on the spot you'll do fine

 

I always let a gentleman get a minute out of my day if he comes over to me in a respectful manner even if I'm not attracted to him.

 

But I do notice a lot of men in NYC constantly ogle women on a regular basis. That might explain why we have to be guarded. Another poster in here said something about sex assaults. Yes there's been serial gropers on the loose too

[Wolf18]

I've never lived in NYC, but I've spent plenty of seasons there as I have family all over the Northeast, including in Manhattan. I can say, it's not my town, but I think a city with such a diverse population cannot be so easily boiled down to such a small set of types. The truth is, though, each person probably only fixates on a few types unless they are situated in a certain way to see more types outside of themselves and the flashy folks.

 

For instance, my cousin lives in NYC. She is a Japanese-American psychiatric resident at one of the major hospitals. Except for the folks she knew from childhood (she actually grew up in the city), she basically never gets to know anyone who isn't a doctor or Japanese-American. She's a lot closer to her heritage than I am, and she won't date anyone who isn't Japanese (he doesn't have to be a doctor, but she socializes with other doctors in non-romantic ways for obvious reasons). Most people would never meet girls like her, or be in her dating pool. It all depends.

 

I think it's generally easier to date in urban areas UNTIL they become so big. I would say the biggest big cities are, in some ways, just a series of cliques (not always the bad kind) and it's hard to find the place you fit unless you decide who you are and carve it out quite clearly. It's just so vast. You'll never meet everyone.

 

This is right on the button. Everyone's got their own clique.

 

There's nothing wrong with ethnic cohesion, but it makes you wonder about "the melting pot" and how it doesn't benefit everyone at all. The people who don't just stick to their own ethnic group, have some stupid urban tribe like "metal heads" or "wiggers". Why can't people just be normal?

[Wolf18]

Every boyfriend I've ever had I met at a [COLOR=#ff0000]library[/COLOR] or in class. And, sorry to doubt you, but various things you've said lead me to believe the only things you read are angry blogs. Not actual books though. You have a habit of expressing strongly held opinions on subject in which, it seems to me, you are not particularly informed.

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Yeah, that's it On this topic, you don't need to read a book or a blog, I write from my personal observations. If that's not "informed" because it doesn't agree with you, then that's too bad.

 

I don't think you "see" that, as much as you hear other men such as yourself talk about it. Unless, of course, those guys are touching women's shoulders with hands that have semen on them, in which case, I totally understand you: What the hell is these women's problem??

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It's a collection of things I see and hear from my friends.

 

The female I'm talking about , I've met her when I dropped in on my friends job (he works at a store) and yes, she did claim some older dude was harrassing her because he touched her shoulders, sans semen

 

 

You can call it apple pie, if you want, it's wrong and illegal -- just like it's illegal to grab a man's crotch without his consent. Come back down to earth, misogynist scum.

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Grabbing someone's crotch is completely different than touching someone's ass or holding them around the waist.

 

Regardless, if a girl grabbed my crotch I wouldn't care either. A girl I got into a drunken screaming match with did this to me once too and it didn't scar me for life.

 

No, it's more like, you run your mouth, and let slip things that YOU consider eminently reasonable -- like, for example, it's totally no big deal to grab a woman's boob against her wishes! -- and that sends the message that you are to be avoided because you feel entitled to a woman's body regardless of what she wants. Because women actually run a small, but realistic risk of ending up raped, beaten or murdered merely as a result of going on a date, women have a particular sensitivity to cues suggesting violent or creepy behavior.

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I'm just speaking from my own point of view. I would just laugh it off if a woman groped me, and it has happened to me. Women who act like some guy grabbing their rump is emotionally traumatizing are just drama queens.

 

And once again, if you want to claim pinching a girls ass is the same as raping them, you are just an obnoxious feminist.

 

And no, I don't personally do this stuff anymore, I used to for laughs when out drinking with my friends. On a date I am always a perfect gentleman . I don't think being a rapist is a big deal to women anyway, if it was then Ted bundy and richard ramirez wouldn't have gotten hundreds of marriage proposals when they were in the can

 

Yes, women have the right to not consent to touching -- while allowing men to touch them with consent! That's a total scandal of course. Who the hell gave women the right to say "yes" to some men and "no" to others??

 

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No, I just don't get what is so traumatizing about getting touched on your bottom that you have to deem it "sexual assault", when 5 minutes before you were probably taking it up your butt from some guido you met at a club.

 

Maybe because they don't see a rejection as an affront to their masculinity and an equivalent of violent assault. And maybe -- just maybe -- because they derive pleasure from the act of flirting itself.

 

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Well, I don't take rejection as an affront to my masculinity, it's masculine to go up and talk to women in and of itself.

 

And no, rofl, women don't flirt with them. They are 5'3 and work as day laborers. They don't get mad because if they strike out with women they just go to their brothels in the mexican part of town.

 

Well, in my experience, if you are rejecting a guy who thinks touching you without your consent is no big deal because you lost your virginity at 15, you HAVE to give him attitude, or God knows what he'll do, claiming you were sending "mixed messages". [/Quote]

 

You know this is what breeds so much contempt from the men on this forum. repeating like a broken record the absurd idea that women somehow know any of this (which isn't true by the way) on a first date or random approach in your college class.

 

What an insult to our intelligents.

[Sanman]

Metis,

 

You mentioned that you disagreed with the impressions a number of guys here had of the NYC dating scene. I'm curious, what do you do? Where in the area do you live (borough?), where would you suggest this guy meet women (class and the library do not help the OP, he has a job).

[Wolf18]

Metis,

 

You mentioned that you disagreed with the impressions a number of guys here had of the NYC dating scene. I'm curious, what do you do? Where in the area do you live (borough?), where would you suggest this guy meet women (class and the library do not help the OP, he has a job).

 

I go to school. There is very socializing, it's a commuter school.

 

Every time I've been to the library, I already mentioned, there are seldom any people between the ages of 12 and 70 LOL. Females in particular.

 

I've finally gotten a new job, I'm working with a guy that makes orthopedic limbs for disabled people, I'm not going to meeting any girls at work it's in a mechanic type of place.

 

I've got my own group of friends, they're all male and got no girls to introduce me to. The women I know who have me friend zoned, either don't want me to meet their girlfriends or don't have any female friends.

 

Other than cold approaching every woman I see and hoping to hit the lotto, there is really nothing to do in a big anonymous city. No community where everyone knows eachother and women have more of a chance to get to know you for your personality, people are always moving, just eternal anonymity. In a sense, you can't even always blame women, looks and flashy toys are all they have to go by on when they meet men in NYC.

[Metis]

Yeah, that's it On this topic, you don't need to read a book or a blog, I write from my personal observations. If that's not "informed" because it doesn't agree with you, then that's too bad.

 

No, Wolf, you seem uninformed on topics on which, I'm afraid, personal observations are insufficient to arrive at an intelligent, informed opinion -- such as cloning or cancer, for instance. The issue isn't whether we, in particular, agree or disagree on these subjects. I'm just making an observation that you don't seem to be well-read, that's all.

 

It's a collection of things I see and hear from my friends.

Well, of course, I can imagine it. Squeeze a woman's boob for ****s and giggles, and next thing you know, she's mad at you! The horror! Who do these broads think they are to not allow men to touch them?

 

The female I'm talking about , I've met her when I dropped in on my friends job (he works at a store) and yes, she did claim some older dude was harrassing her because he touched her shoulders, sans semen

 

Oh, now, it's shoulders, plural? A massage from some older dude sounds creepy. And yes, I do care about who touches me. Being touched against one's will is assault. In fact, this kind of conduct was considered legally actionable battery going all the way back to the Middle Ages. Pity you don't believe in reading books, or perhaps you would have known that.

 

Grabbing someone's crotch is completely different than touching someone's ass or holding them around the waist.

 

It's different, but not completely different. Grabbing other, "less sexual" body parts is still sexual assault, just not rape. Incidentally, what do you think about grabbing a woman's breast? Pinching her nipples against her will? Should that be legal too, in your opinion?

 

Regardless, if a girl grabbed my crotch I wouldn't care either. A girl I got into a drunken screaming match with did this to me once too and it didn't scar me for life.

 

So -- what you are saying is, any kind of non-consensual conduct with a woman should be legal unless it rises to the level where it would scar her for life?

 

I don't care, incidentally, how YOU feel about being grabbed. Your perceptions do not dictate how women should take it.

 

I'm just speaking from my own point of view. I would just laugh it off if a woman groped me, and it has happened to me. Women who act like some guy grabbing their rump is emotionally traumatizing are just drama queens.

 

If you were groped on a regular basis and ridiculed for it, you might feel differently. If most rapists were women and most rape victims were men, you might feel differently as well.

 

And once again, if you want to claim pinching a girls ass is the same as raping them, you are just an obnoxious feminist.

 

I'm not saying it's the same -- I'm saying it doesn't have to be the same in order to be wrong and illegal.

 

And no, I don't personally do this stuff anymore, I used to for laughs when out drinking with my friends. On a date I am always a perfect gentleman . I don't think being a rapist is a big deal to women anyway, if it was then Ted bundy and richard ramirez wouldn't have gotten hundreds of marriage proposals when they were in the can

 

There are more than hundreds of women living on this planet. The majority of women abhor rapists, as well as men who make excuses for rapists. The fact that you used to grab and pinch women for laughs exposes you as a horrible person (less horrible than a rapist, but still horrible) and goes a long way to explain why no woman seems to want anything to do with you.

 

No, I just don't get what is so traumatizing about getting touched on your bottom that you have to deem it "sexual assault", when 5 minutes before you were probably taking it up your butt from some guido you met at a club.

 

What's traumatizing is having it done to you WITHOUT CONSENT. Do you understand that? Do you understand how your arguments can be applied to ANY woman who is sexually active, even a married one? Hey, she takes her husband's penis, so what's the big deal about grabbing her and feeling her up? Is that what you are saying?

 

A woman's sex life is none of your business. You don't have a right to her body in any way, shape or form -- period.

 

And no, rofl, women don't flirt with them. They are 5'3 and work as day laborers. They don't get mad because if they strike out with women they just go to their brothels in the mexican part of town.

 

Well, I'm glad to hear they aren't raping or grabbing women against their will. Means they are head and shoulders above your kind.

 

You know this is what breeds so much contempt from the men on this forum. repeating like a broken record the absurd idea that women somehow know any of this (which isn't true by the way) on a first date or random approach in your college class.

 

What an insult to our intelligents.

 

Your "intelligents" consists mainly of treating women as dumb broads, who exist to get pinched and grabbed against their will "for laughs" by you and your neanderthal friends. This kind of "intelligents" of yours shows much more than you think, which is why women perceive it even on a random approach in a college class.

 

You mentioned that you disagreed with the impressions a number of guys here had of the NYC dating scene. I'm curious, what do you do? Where in the area do you live (borough?), where would you suggest this guy meet women (class and the library do not help the OP, he has a job).

 

Sanman, I am wary of giving away personal information. Suffice it to say, I work in a very male-dominated field, and the overwhelming majority of my male co-workers are either married or in long-term relationships. In fact, it is women in my profession who seem more likely to be single for an extended period of time.

 

As for meeting people -- libraries, lectures, foreign-language meet-ups and classes have worked for me. As I previously pointed out, in Wolf's case, clearly it's not the places he goes that are the problem, as much as his attitudes.