OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Yes enslaving millions of Africans is directly analogous of making fun of someone's jacket. Just like commonly beaten (and maybe starved) mean dogs are to bitter men who can't seem to find a woman that wants to have sex with them.
Untouchable_Fire Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 It's a retarded comparison and if I ever saw my neighbor beating the **** out of his pet (and frequently?!) I would be "evuhl" and report him. I was more disturbed by the fact he stated they just "stood-by" and besides, it's not an equivalent. PEOPLE get to choose the perceptions they maintain or whether to CHANGE them. A dog really doesn't know better................................ and enduring that kind of abuse, of course it's going to be frightened etc. These "men", have been oppressed and physically abused by women etc? Wtf. You wouldn't report it either, especially at the age we were. Emotional wounds can have just as great an effect as physical ones. Are these guys being intentionally abused... absolutely not. I don't think I know even 1 woman who enjoys rejecting people. Honestly to understand, you have to be able to possess empathy and be able to put yourself in another person's shoes. If you can... then you get it. If you can't... it will never make sense to you.
january2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Do you have foot issues? I live in my Uggs all winter and I don't have support problems with them. I do notice the girls who wear the fake Uggs, the soles are all warped and their feet look odd in them. What about for the flat-footies? (I have an exaggerated arch, I can't wear anything that's flat without my feet starting to ache, but my cousin has flat feet and she complains she can't wear any types of shoes designed with arches... she mostly wears sandals heh). I wonder if adding insoles would be enough for support, otherwise too? I don't have much of an arch. I've also walked behind numerous girls whose ugg uppers 'leaned' over the sole. Nothing about them makes me want to buy a pair. But if you like them, then it's your choice. I just don't think they're very good for feet. Sorry!
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 You wouldn't report it either, especially at the age we were. Emotional wounds can have just as great an effect as physical ones. Are these guys being intentionally abused... absolutely not. I don't think I know even 1 woman who enjoys rejecting people. Honestly to understand, you have to be able to possess empathy and be able to put yourself in another person's shoes. If you can... then you get it. If you can't... it will never make sense to you. ....................... I'm not claiming emotional wounds are not painful - but EVERYONE (just about, side for the few rare sociopaths / detached people) suffers it.................... The ones that "get it" are likely mostly comprised of the ones who will continue making themselves out to be poor little victims ---- and who continue to encounter "stay trapped" in it.... never taking control of their lives and or truly speculating their own accountability etc..... being at the "mercy" of their "master(s)" ........... with hardly any other choices available to them, I know. Woe be tide them......... Pain is a part of life. Being self-oppressed doesn't have to be
Untouchable_Fire Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 It depends upon the person - their focus, their ambition, their perception, their views. It CAN definitely make some people stronger. And it seems it can definitely make others weaker. I don't think it's one or the other (although I used to think it could make them stronger........... but that was projection after all ). A certain amount of rejection can make you stronger, provided positive experiences are available in your past to draw upon. It also helps to value yourself for things outside the mating game. I recently read a study about childhood bullying... and I think they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that it very rarely makes children stronger, and in fact it makes most children emotionally weaker. I was bullied heavily at the age of 8, and by age 12 I was one of the biggest bullies in the school. It might have looked like I got stronger because my friends and I turned the tables on our bully after a year. However, the experience made me weak... I did so many things I now regret in the years following. I don't even really know why I was so mean to the other kids... it goes completely against my natural personality.
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 I don't have much of an arch. I've also walked behind numerous girls whose ugg uppers 'leaned' over the sole. Nothing about them makes me want to buy a pair. But if you like them, then it's your choice. I just don't think they're very good for feet. Sorry! Oh I don't personally own any. I have leather boots, knee-high and thigh-high ones. I didn't even know what uggs were until this thread :lmao: - I've definitely seen people around wearing them, I just didn't know what they were called heh. LS takes my sheltered being out a bit
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 A certain amount of rejection can make you stronger, provided positive experiences are available in your past to draw upon. It also helps to value yourself for things outside the mating game. I recently read a study about childhood bullying... and I think they have proven beyond reasonable doubt that it very rarely makes children stronger, and in fact it makes most children emotionally weaker. I was bullied heavily at the age of 8, and by age 12 I was one of the biggest bullies in the school. It might have looked like I got stronger because my friends and I turned the tables on our bully after a year. However, the experience made me weak... I did so many things I now regret in the years following. I don't even really know why I was so mean to the other kids... it goes completely against my natural personality. I agree with the statement that's in bold. As for child bullying............ while I see it as altogether something different... I don't think it's healthy for any child to be consistently bullied nor to bully (even yes, if they become the perpetrator). Arguably it could be beneficial to encounter it as a child and or to seldom be at the receiving end of it, but arguably it could be utterly worthless as well (it depends upon too many variables that can't be truly known). I am sorry you were bullied though --- it's also astonished me how cruel and crazy some children can be (although it is thought to be something many have learned from their own environments... that they can indeed pass onto other children outside of them. Still, there's the whole "gang" phenomena, where otherwise "friendly" children join in on berating another, as some kind of "social" practice heh).
Untouchable_Fire Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 You don't understand. A man who makes fun of a woman's jacket is a racist. Or a misogynist. Or judgmental. Or something else that is very, very bad. Whereas a man who has been mistreated by a woman, or multiple women, in relationships is "bitter" and therefore just as much of a loser, fully deserving of being mocked, as the racist/misogynist/judgmental jacket-ridiculer. You see, in both cases, he's a man. No, I get it. I've got 2 cousin's that are very dear to me who both due to physical and emotional issues just are not attractive to women. I can understand if you choose to be angry and upset about it. It's kind of a natural reaction to lash out. Just know that if you choose some day to take a different path... a harder path... your whole reason for being upset starts to fade away. ....................... I'm not claiming emotional wounds are not painful - but EVERYONE (just about, side for the few rare sociopaths / detached people) suffers it.................... The ones that "get it" are likely mostly comprised of the ones who will continue making themselves out to be poor little victims ---- and who continue to encounter "stay trapped" in it.... never taking control of their lives and or truly speculating their own accountability etc..... being at the "mercy" of their "master(s)" ........... with hardly any other choices available to them, I know. Woe be tide them......... Pain is a part of life. Being self-oppressed doesn't have to be I know what your saying. Being the victim feels righteous but doesn't get you anywhere. All I'm saying is stop being a dick to these guys... it just reinforces their $hitty beliefs that people like you are incapable of treating them like worthwhile humans. You and those like you are doing the same damn thing they are... just sitting around claiming to be the victim of these bitter men's attitudes. Take your own advice and start breaking the cycle.
Untouchable_Fire Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 I agree with the statement that's in bold. As for child bullying............ while I see it as altogether something different... I am sorry you were bullied though There are some differences but also some striking similarities... enough to make the comparison worthwhile. I don't really feel bad that I got bullied. I have a good family and am very athletic, so it was easy for me to overcome as I grew up. I really regret the people I hurt though.
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 I know what your saying. Being the victim feels righteous but doesn't get you anywhere. All I'm saying is stop being a dick to these guys... it just reinforces their $hitty beliefs that people like you are incapable of treating them like worthwhile humans. You and those like you are doing the same damn thing they are... just sitting around claiming to be the victim of these bitter men's attitudes. Take your own advice and start breaking the cycle. It takes a really strong person to break a cycle, and quite frankly, I'm finding the odds of being able to through the internet to be near impossible --- there's nothing to "prove" or "break" here. I do not consider myself a "victim" of them - I do not personally know them. Within my real life, I also do not think I can "stop" such men from behaving the way the do. It isn't my place. They need professional help. I am in a relationship (with a good man who treats me beautifully and respectably heh) and the only time I've encountered such bitter men in my real life is when I've declined their offers and advances -------- then such bitter men usually proceed to show me their vulgar sides or rather, begin to throw their "tantrums". And I almost always just walk away. I can't "change" them I HAVE smacked one guy and then was naughty and chewed him out ----- but I myself was having a ****ty day and I wasn't about to be the "better person" and turn my cheek to some bastard that thought he could come onto me and grope me and expect me to "take it". What-evs. I've dealt with enough "aggressive" men in my life. I don't think I'm a victim of them, per se, but I'm not under the impression I can "save" them or "change" them either. That's something *they* have to do. How would one in such a position even going about breaking such cycles anyway? Even when one isn't a dick, they're still *barked at and snarled at* and sometimes *bit*. If "sleeping with them" is the only way they think they can be helped, I'm not the one to do that. Really.
OnyxSnowfall Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 (edited) There are some differences but also some striking similarities... enough to make the comparison worthwhile. I don't really feel bad that I got bullied. I have a good family and am very athletic, so it was easy for me to overcome as I grew up. I really regret the people I hurt though. You being bullied led into the aftermath of bullying though, right? So it covers it all IMO... And I don't know.................. a child being bullied and an adult being rejected from physical intimacy by someone else, especially without them harboring malicious intent, just seem too different to me... Edited November 4, 2011 by OnyxSnowfall
Untouchable_Fire Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 It takes a really strong person to break a cycle, and quite frankly, I'm finding the odds of being able to through the internet to be near impossible --- there's nothing to "prove" or "break" here. I do not consider myself a "victim" of them - I do not personally know them. How would one in such a position even going about breaking such cycles anyway? Even when one isn't a dick, they're still *barked at and snarled at* and sometimes *bit*. If "sleeping with them" is the only way they think they can be helped, I'm not the one to do that. Really. Your right... you can't fix them through the internet. However, in this place they have meaningful honest conversations with women they would not have in real life. So, I can't say that it's impossible for you to have an impact in some way. I also agree with you that its bloody hard to have someone snarl and attack you, then turn and treat them with respect and empathy. I personally could barely manage being civil. I believe that you and many of the other women here on LS can do that though. You have an emotional strength that these guys can't comprehend. I remember long ago a thread where an Ultra bitter poster broke down flabbergasted because the women on the thread acknowledged his feelings. He later admitted that he used this site to self confirm his worldview. Being treated well for an hour turned that upside down on him for a bit. Anyway... this is all I have to say on the topic. I think overall you are a great person and I wish you well!
Ross MwcFan Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 I don't know if this is something that's nation/North America-wide, but at least in New England, there seems to be lots of girls 18-35 who are really tan (but brown, not orange like Guidos) and always wear black North Face jackets, sweatpants that say "Pink" or "Juicy" across the butt and either slip-on, laceless sneakers or Ugg boots. They all tend to have really dark, shiny straight hair; the girls 18-25 tend to have it really long, and the girls 26-35 tend to have it in a bob. What's going on with these girls? What makes them tick? They're just cool. Get wid da program dude!
ShannonMI Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 They're just cool. Get wid da program dude! You are soooo going to get attacked for that. I'm with you girl. I love my Uggies, Northface jackets, golden glow and Pink sweats. While I don't wear them at the same time, I love them all:love:
ScreamingTrees Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Damn.. How about a RED member's only jacket? Does that put me in a similar league of douchiness as James Dean and Michael Jackson? I don't really follow trends and I just happened to like the one that James wore. Yes, I guess I have no sense of fashion, so shoot me.
ShannonMI Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Damn.. How about a RED member's only jacket? Does that put me in a similar league of douchiness as James Dean and Michael Jackson? I don't really follow trends and I just happened to like the one that James wore. Yes, I guess I have no sense of fashion, so shoot me. James Dean was fine as f*ck!! He could wear anything and make it look good.
ScreamingTrees Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Yeah, I kinda realize that. Don't crush me, will ya? I'm not as blessed, but I haven't had any negative comments so I guess it doesn't look that outlandish on me.. I hope.. Apparently I look like James Dean and Edward Norton's butt baby.
ShannonMI Posted November 4, 2011 Posted November 4, 2011 Yeah, I kinda realize that. Don't crush me, will ya? I'm not as blessed, but I haven't had any negative comments so I guess it doesn't look that outlandish on me.. I hope.. Apparently I look like James Dean and Edward Norton's butt baby. I won't crush you, but you do realize member's only jackets look good on Jimmie Dean and well.....that's about it. So burn that thing.
Disenchantedly Yours Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 TheBigQuestion I consider Uggs to be proof that a very large portion of women will wear pretty much anything, no matter how ugly, if media and advertising tells them that it's what they should do. Fashion is an ebb and flow. Trends usually come up between a combination of marketing and a desire to contrast the previous trend. Nothing really wrong with that. Women also don't just want to wear clothes that are "sexy" 24/7. Frankly, sometimes you get sick of it. Sometimes it's fun to wear a pair of Uggs or a pair of overalls (in the 90s) or wide-leg trousers or an over-sized blouse. Fashion isn't just about high heels and tight sweaters. Next time I'd like to see you make this argument when it comes to what women do their bodies, hair and make up that follow trends. Because there are plenty women do in that regard that if they didn't conform to the standards, a lot of men would consider them unattractive. But I guess when it's women getting pleasure from clothes it's just silly but when it's men getting pleasure for how women change their bodies for what is popular culturally, maybe that's okay. Further lets not insinuate that women are the only ones that follow trends or buy into media and advertising. How many men rush out to get the brand new high tech video game or iphone? Alot of men today fill the mall and are in such stores as Express for Men and Aldos. I can't fathom why anyone past college age would wear any of that crap either. I can't fathom why men past college play video games. But they do. But it certainly dones't mean these men are stupid. I just personally can't understand it. But I don't have to put them down for it. I honestly cringe at the prospects of American tourists going to Europe and going outside with Ugg boots, "juicy" pants, or any similar nonsense. It's kind of ironic BigQuestion. You don't like fashion trends which insinuates that you're not a conformist. And yet, you care enough about what Europe would think about American tourists fashion trends to "cringe" about it.
Negative Nancy Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Next time I'd like to see you make this argument when it comes to what women do their bodies, hair and make up that follow trends. Because there are plenty women do in that regard that if they didn't conform to the standards, a lot of men would consider them unattractive. But I guess when it's women getting pleasure from clothes it's just silly but when it's men getting pleasure for how women change their bodies for what is popular culturally, maybe that's okay. Further lets not insinuate that women are the only ones that follow trends or buy into media and advertising. How many men rush out to get the brand new high tech video game or iphone? Alot of men today fill the mall and are in such stores as Express for Men and Aldos. I can't fathom why men past college play video games. But they do. But it certainly dones't mean these men are stupid. I just personally can't understand it. But I don't have to put them down for it. good points. It's kind of ironic BigQuestion. You don't like fashion trends which insinuates that you're not a conformist. And yet, you care enough about what Europe would think about American tourists fashion trends to "cringe" about it. not to mention that uggs are worn in europe as well anyways.
Ross MwcFan Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 You are soooo going to get attacked for that. I'm with you girl. I love my Uggies, Northface jackets, golden glow and Pink sweats. While I don't wear them at the same time, I love them all:love: Hey I'm not a girl.
ShannonMI Posted November 5, 2011 Posted November 5, 2011 Hey I'm not a girl. Sorry about that. For some reason I thought your username was Rose. My bad. Yeah Uggs are great. I love mine
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